Yes. It’s just we’ve only had a small window (only about 20 years) to address our the glaring weaknesses in our critical infrastructure. We haven’t started, and in fact can’t even agree on it. But hey, maybe this will change our minds.
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
-28
You cannot permanently fix a human operated system. We cannot afford to be scrambling codes for every outlet.
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fellatio-del-toro3 days ago
+20
Thanks for contributing, but I don’t entertain false dichotomies as real arguments. Bad form.
That aside, you think maybe we could have afforded to not start a war though? A lot of people are saying it….
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
-20
Not really. It's a statement of fact and to complain here is to be ignorant not informed.
I don't want a war either but Iran and the US seem driven by corrupt decisions to do so.
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fellatio-del-toro3 days ago
+17
No it is a demonstrable intellectual pitfall to believe that the only other option besides doing nothing is doing way too much. It’s low-effort analysis. It’s below me. Is it below you? Because if so, only one of us belong as the table.
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
-21
I'm highlighting that known limits exist, you are choosing to ignore them.
Let me know when you're willing to work for free and then be shot afterwards. Otherwise it's just hot air.
Sell your security startup to someone else.
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fellatio-del-toro3 days ago
+14
And now you’re trying to find a way to transform your argument into something less fallacious.
But why not just be more logically thorough when forming your opinions though? Instead of trying to retro-fit your argument with meaningful points. Why do you have to be humiliated before you start trying?
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
-3
Your name is not something worth taking seriously and your opinions highlight a significant absence of experience.
I don't need to go beyond that because it's a pitch I've heard before.
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WastingMyLifeToday3 days ago
+5
Their username was chosen over 11 years ago.
People can change a lot in 11 years and listnook usernames mean jack shit.
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fellatio-del-toro3 days ago
+5
In summary, you’re now trying to nestle your false dichotomy inside of a Mott and Bailey.
You are not equipped for this. Go learn more.
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YandyTheGnome2 days ago
Yeah, but we're not technically "at war" yet, so why are they doing it?
Edit: I really didn't think a /s was necessary
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
-2
It would be had they not already been assaulting US infrastructure before the war.
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Ellamhdava433 days ago
+75
Thoughts and prayers to the cybersecurity teams holding the US grid together with zero sleep and pure caffeine right now. That frontline is brutal.
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chevre273 days ago
+47
Doge fired most of them, that’s why this has been particularly bad
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CensoredbytheGOP3 days ago
+18
Because they kept telling us Russia had infiltrated the Fed.
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Best_Change41553 days ago
+12
>Doge fired most of them, that’s why this has been particularly bad
Has it been? The biggest breach has been the head of the FBI being so f****** stupid he clicked a phishing link.
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DangerousOstrich69703 days ago
+38
Can Iran erase all debt .... for the hard working Americans.... lol
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problyurdad_3 days ago
+13
I saw an article recently claiming they were looking to do that. They were going to hack American banks and wipe out credit card debt. It would weaken the economy
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pswithlove3 days ago
+8
They do have backups. They could revert debt back to tomorrow. I don’t think this idea would really fly. Only God knows though.
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AslanPahar3 days ago
+1
> It would weaken the economy
It is weak as is.
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Kondikteur3 days ago
-1
Nah, those system are safer and more secured than Fort Knox and Area 51 combined, they are vital for the economy after all.
But your electricty grid, sewage plant or hospitals? Come on, you don't reeeaally need those and who can afford that anyways?
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cosmicmountaintravel2 days ago
+2
Naw. They are in fact dumb enough to not properly protect infrastructure. Could be a fun show to watch.
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Crypt33x3 days ago
+2
Mr. Robot? We need help here.
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hostile_scrotum3 days ago
+52
Can Iran release the epstein files please?
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BrofessorFarnsworth3 days ago
+9
Wait, it's a war now?
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raerae19913 days ago
+10
If only there was a FBI team of specialists who…oh wait, they were fired, never mind
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ELOFSOanon3 days ago
+8
Based on the prior actions of those in the cabinet, we already know their tech is compromised. Critical infrastructure is a natural next step and something our adversaries have been practicing for a long time.
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AdditionalActuator813 days ago
+3
Let me guess they are going to be targeting elections and that the federal government needs to take them over to protect us?
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stonertear3 days ago
+2
Orly?
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CremeAcrobatic17483 days ago
+3
Nah can't be, someone on listnook told me the war was over.
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iaintskeered3 days ago
+3
Iran cyber attacks have always been ongoing. Today is no different than before the war. They don't magically become more competent or more motivated. They have always targeted America
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Unlucky-Bunch-73893 days ago
+5
Except the country’s cyber agency hasn’t been working for 2 months
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iaintskeered3 days ago
-4
Cyber agency doesnt protect our infrastructure
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Unlucky-Bunch-73893 days ago
+9
Uh. They literally collect logs from all agencies and monitor them in a soc.
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/how-to-transfer-data-to-the-cisa-cloud-log-aggregation-warehouse-claw-using-amazon-s3/
A lot of contractor work to improve this is slowed down/ on pause right now
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iaintskeered2 days ago
-2
I'm aware of what they do. The SOC is still in operation. There's many other threat intelligence source aside CISA.
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Unlucky-Bunch-73892 days ago
+1
That’s not what you said at all. And it doesn’t seem like you’re fully aware of what they do… since you made a completely incorrect sweeping statement.
You also glossed over how I stated work on improving the data sent to the soc is being hurt by the shutdown. I didn’t say the soc was shut down
You’re trying to make some point that it’s not a big deal CISA is shutdown… it is.
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iaintskeered2 days ago
+1
You said our cyber agency hasnt been working for 2 months and mentioned they "literally collect and monitor in a SOC". They do... and thats still in operation.
Dumb ass listnookors as usual speaking out their ass
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Unlucky-Bunch-73892 days ago
+1
Except the context of my sentence was the improvement of log collection and detection. Not that the soc wasn’t working
Learn to read, bubby
I have more information on this than you do. I promise you.
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iaintskeered2 days ago
+1
I'm sure you think you have more information because you posted a link to CLAW.
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Unlucky-Bunch-73892 days ago
+1
Well, I can infer by your lack of Knowledge that I do. But it’s certainly more than that.
You literally said they don’t monitor our infrastructure and I posted how they literally monitor the entire government lmao
Sometimes it’s better to just give up… and stop digging a grave
Just say “I’m a low level CISA employee” or “low level employee at a local power plant” already
A majority of CISA spending is outside projects. Those projects aren’t being funded and the project managers who lead them are sitting at home. That’s a problem. It’s called sold services. Look it up.
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brxcewayne3 days ago
+2
Lol as if usa doesn't do the same
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TheAngryGoat3 days ago
As they should. I fully and wholeheartedly support Iran's defensive actions here. I hope they can bring as much fully deserved harm and destruction to the US economy as possible. The Iranian regime is horrifyingly bad, but not half as much as the US, and they have every right to do this. None of this is as evil as bombing schools.
Just how evil does a nation of people have to be to make the Iranians of all people look like the good guys?
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papaHans3 days ago
+2
I don't understand. Are they go after US government sites or something like walmart or everything? I know shit when it comes to this stuff.
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Canadian_Neckbeard3 days ago
+19
Critical infrastructure is things like water, power, hospitals, traffic grids.
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papaHans3 days ago
+5
Got it. Thank you.
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pswithlove3 days ago
+1
That’s wow actually. I’ve seen many survival movies when Mother Nature isn’t in the mood. I’d love to see a movie where such catastrophic event is caused by someone shutting down water supply. Or anything else from the list of presented opinions. That’s more realistic anyway.
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Canadian_Neckbeard2 days ago
+1
It's not too far off the plot of Live Free or Die Hard.
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turquoise_amethyst3 days ago
+2
Is this article to build support of the US attacking *their* critical infrastructure? Like bridges and power plants?
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steely_gargoyle3 days ago
+15
I don’t think so. Despite the US being the aggressor in this war, Iranian deep state is not at all innocent. I think they have one of most sophisticated cyber attack groups in their country alongside Russia, North Korea, China and Israel. This piece of news shouldn’t really be a surprise at all imo
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7287663 days ago
+8
Yeah, anyone who has paid attention to the news in the last decade would know that Iran has been doing this for ages.
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noir_lord2 days ago
+3
I mean both sides have, it's just a new (relatively) front in an old war.
Stuxnet was decades ago at this point, I imagine the new stuff is even more sophisticated, as a programmer it surprises me that things aren't worse than they are having seen how the sausage is made in multiple larger enterprise companies, security is *never* given the time or resources it actually needs.
There is just a collective burying of heads in sand.
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Khaganate233 days ago
+2
So basically, it's new for listnook.
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jbartr0003 days ago
+1
Iran if you’re reading this please pay off my mortgage
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TastyBananaPeppers3 days ago
+2
Your mortgage doesn't exist, there's no record of it.
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Orpa__3 days ago
+1
It's actually pretty scary how insecure a lot of critical infrastructure is. Security by obscurity galore.
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Cellophane72 days ago
+1
I thought trump got rid of the department handling this. Or maybe he just downsized it?
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Zardoz_Wearing_Pants2 days ago
+1
ITS NOT A WAR!! remember? the turgid turnip gleefully explained it's wasn't a war otherwise he'd need to seek approval.
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Celestial_sapien92 days ago
+1
Huh . . . They can't do shit, I dare them to hack the FBI director's personal emails.
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ro_otman3 days ago
No. Just find an exploit or 2 in some old government website that uses ASP.net v0.0.1, redirect the pages to a low resolution Iranian flag with some Arabic on it and voila you have a "hacked" website. Most of it is just getting lucky. If they are that serious or competent why don't they hack in the Epstein files or the CIA or the FBI? (And no, Spiderkash doesn't count. He got pwned due to his own incompetence.)
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L1QU1DF1R33 days ago
+6
Iran is only behind china and russia in terms of serious cyber threats. They are one of USA's main cyber adversaries, and they are capable. They are doing a lot more than that.
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