Just blatant market manipulation plain as day
Pisses me off the markets still react to anything he says because its been nothing but lies so he and his wealthy associates can make a fortune
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nerphurpMar 23, 2026
+64
Traders aren't positioning in belief the situation(s) has stabilized.
They're gambling on getting the timing right on Trump's next manipulation/disruption.
Great system to attach our retirements to, eh?
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Llenette1Mar 23, 2026
+16
This. I have to have Fidelity on speed dial...
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SitchreaMar 23, 2026
+2
We haven't even returned to the market rates of six months ago.
All this has been a net negative. Just look at any YTD or 6-month graph - this is not real economic growth.
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whatproblemsMar 23, 2026
+4
game of who gets in fastest before the crowd pump and sell when its high
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Prestigious_Chard_90Mar 23, 2026
+3
People knew. On Friday, it was sell off all day. Then, after close, there was odd volume and some stocks got bought up. Some people knew this "truth" was coming and had advanced notice.
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According_Bus4054Mar 23, 2026
+5
GOP mega corruption
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hrpomrxMar 23, 2026
+1
And also delivering "good news" which will obviously be lapped up as truth and reported by the "entertainment" news channel to the obvious approval of all the viewers.
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ShufflingToGloryMar 23, 2026
-5
Well the market hasn't declined at all since this second piece of reporting so it seems like the people with the money don't believe it.
Iran has just as much incentive to play a PR game with their own public as Trump. Maybe even more so considering how febrile the atmosphere in Tehran is right now.
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MiddleAgedSpongerMar 23, 2026
+50
They initiated the attack during negotiations. They thought Iran was going to surrender after the first bombing wave. They tried to have the allies we have been shitting on for years bail us out, they refused. They threatened a ground invasion, but no one was buying it. Trump is TACO'ing because he once again got outplayed by everyone. Israel has completely ruined their brand and it is now socially expectable for people to openly mock them. Supporting Israel has become a liability for politicians. These dipshits ruined 50 years of political strategy because they were too greedy to compromise and enough is never enough.
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upbeatchiefMar 23, 2026
+19
Qatar former prime minister publicly said that the US and israel are planning to pull back if gulf states joined the war, he thinks the aim of israel/US actions was to kick start a war dragging gulf/jordan/iraq into it, and then running away once a war between iran and it's neighbors start, leaving arab dtates yo bear the costs.
They tried to topple iran witha quick c**** attack. Americans were never meant to be the ones fighting iran today. They wanted their regional allies to pick up the check, they never thought arab states would not fight back after strait closure. Forcing the Americans to stick around to destry the launchers that are targeting them and israel.
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True_Window_9389Mar 23, 2026
+11
Ironically, with Iran, the Trump admin fell under the same delusional spells as the neocons did with Iraq, which they have typically railed against. They both became blind to reality because they dove too deep into ideology and thinking they were smarter than everyone else, playing some 4D chess.
The Trump/MAGA/P2025 nonsense has flourished because opposition isn’t prepared for a full counter and rebellion. The opposition really just wants to revert back to a pre-Trump era because they have a lot to lose. Iran? They have nothing to lose. The regime can call the bluff of Trump because this fight has become existential for them, and nothing is gained by capitulating or playing along. They don’t care to slow-play it like Democrats or European allies do, hoping to wait out this administration.
Now, all the preferred allies of Trump, whether Russia, Israel or Gulf states, are just as transactional as Trump, and aren’t going to be handed a worse position out of loyalty or righteousness because that doesn’t exist with these people.
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-Gramsci-Mar 23, 2026
+3
Well, and just as it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity for Bibi to have a president that would do his bidding on Iran (and join them in attacking it)… it’s also a once in a lifetime opportunity for the hardliners in Iran.
They’ve been saying that normalizing relations with the West is impossible (the direction their internal opposition would like to take the country) because the west is pure evil - so it’s not an option.
Trump is their once in a lifetime opportunity as well… where all their anti-west propaganda, actually, works.
The Iranian hardliners have, in Trump and this conflict, the opportunity to consolidate their control of the country for another 50 years. They’ve are seizing that opportunity.
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+6
Well that wouldn't really work because neither Iran nor the Gulf states have an interest in continuing hostilities.
Sure there'll be some bad blood with what's happened so far but going forward both will happily sit down to end the war and what's more they'll prob trust that that desire is genuine and reciprocal compared to any US-led negotiation.
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Superb-Welder3774Mar 23, 2026
+2
Very correct
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-Gramsci-Mar 23, 2026
+1
Except that Iran will want sanctions relief from these neighbors now. Before they would have been happy to just sit in their situation. Now they wouldn’t end the hostilities unless they received something in return.
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+2
'Sanctions relief from these neighbors'? Gulf states don't have sanctions against Iran, that's the US.
I'm sure they're pissed at Iran and will seek compensation and then some for the damage but Iran doesn't want sanctions relief from them because they never introduced formal economic sanctions.
And considering the nature of the relationship between GCC and Iran it's not like it is in Iran's interest to continue fighting.
The only thing Iran could ask for would be maybe for the Gulf states vouch on Iran's side come a nuclear deal - but ultimately that would still be something between Iran and US to relieve US sanctions, the Gulf states can't do that unilaterally ofc.
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-Gramsci-Mar 23, 2026
+1
Yeah I’m just throwing stuff out there. My point is they’d want concessions. Support.
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budzeneMar 23, 2026
+3
It was all a distraction from the files
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PockydoMar 23, 2026
+7
Eh I think that was just a happy bonus
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MiddleAgedSpongerMar 23, 2026
+5
Iran has been on the list well before the Epstein files were an issue.
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PockydoMar 23, 2026
+52
It's wild to me I can trust Iran a hell of a lot more than the president
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giro83Mar 23, 2026
+19
They even offered to come help Europe if Trump attacks Greenland 👌🏻
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Unfair_Web_8275Mar 23, 2026
+5
It truly is. Like I'm still taking their news with a grain of salt and all, but it truly feels like I'm watching one of those videos where Siri and Alexa talk to each other in a loop.
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PockydoMar 23, 2026
+6
Oh absolutely
It's more a criticism of Trump's shall we say strenuous relationship with the concept of honesty rather than a praise of Irans veracity
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Unfair_Web_8275Mar 23, 2026
+1
That’s a good way of putting it.
I’m still not aware of the given reasons we’re in Iran, like; the one theyre truly running with.
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Intrepid_Top_2300Mar 23, 2026
+6
Me too, and I look to Al Jazeera for more honest news.
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Common_Sense_2025Mar 23, 2026
-1
Al Jazeera is not Iranian run.
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BadMojo__Mar 23, 2026
+2
I don't think that was implied by the comment you responded to.
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ilir_kycbMar 24, 2026
+1
> It's wild to me I can trust Iran a hell of a lot more than the president
Why? U.S. presidents have never been trustworthy.
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an-invisible-handMar 24, 2026
+1
Yeah no, f*** sanewashing this administration of con men, rapists, and pedophiles. All presidents are not the same.
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SyraircMar 23, 2026
+13
I hate that we live in a world where the Iranian government is more trustworthy than the American one
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_bk_advMar 23, 2026
+13
Trump lies more than a first grader trying to get out of trouble.
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KiLLiNDaYMar 23, 2026
+70
It’s sad that I believe Iranian media in this situation more than American media purely based on the fact it’s a higher likelihood that what they’re saying is reality.
Only one can be right and Trump is just a machine at not telling any truths
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dkorabellMar 23, 2026
+10
Iran has been repeatedly saying they will not negotiate for days now. Trump admitted he killed those he had previously dealt with. This is an absurd fantasy by the grand orange fabricator.
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NoSwordfish6949Mar 23, 2026
+5
Same. I've thought this since the beginning of the war. Trump is all lies all the time. The truth is always the opposite of what he says. I believe Iran again on this BS.
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Bag_of_Meat13Mar 23, 2026
+5
That's just how much Trump has almost literally thrown truth to the ground.
He even made his own social media called "truth".
I would've been very surprised to hear 12 years ago that in 2026 Iranian media might be more trustworthy than MSM.
I would've been less surprised 10 years ago, after just *one year* of Trump running for President.
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NathanCS741Mar 23, 2026
+2
And still the MSM is the “big bad” according to Trump and his administration of sycophants, all while they at least try to sanewash their statements/actions and sometimes even cover their actions up (remember Stephen Miller faking a bad connection and the CNN playing along?).
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EighthfloormeetingMar 23, 2026
+5
Also every Iranian politician I’ve seen speak is much calmer, resolute and gives valid legal and political reasoning for their decisions. Can’t even be mad at them.. they have a clear plan for the war and clear demands.
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mjconverMar 23, 2026
+16
I've been enjoying Al Jazeera newscasts on Youtube for over a month, because they're saner than most American media
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NosillaWillaMar 23, 2026
+5
They do a pretty good job
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an-invisible-handMar 24, 2026
+1
The AJ/Reuters combo is unbeatable. If both of them are saying it, it's a fact.
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kapjainMar 23, 2026
+6
There is no need to trust Iranian media here
Anything Trump says has to be considered a lie by default until it can be verified to be even partially true. And on top of that, what he is saying here makes absolutely zero sense.
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b_tightMar 23, 2026
+5
Exactly. At this point you have to assume that anything donold or karoline says is a lie and the damn near complete opposite is the truth. Iran isnt a credible source but they have all the incentive to prolong this war and make the US feel pain. No need for iran to escalate. Just build c**** drones and block the straight. Make donold crack, and he will
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BrianWonderfulMar 23, 2026
+2
Not really the media, as they are both reporting "Trump says X" and "Iranian Leadership says Y". It is the governments you need to decide the trustworthiness of, but it would be nice if the media went a bit further in trying to confirm if talks took place and involving whom.
The sad thing is the US media just parrots what they are told now, and barely asks any questions.
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Avantasian538Mar 23, 2026
+2
Iran is like 50/50 on whether or not they’re lying. US is like 90% likely to be lying.
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TranquilSeaOtterMar 23, 2026
+11
Despite Iran's credibility being non existent, they have way more credibility than Trump.
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+5
>There have been a lot of sources in the last few days reporting there are back channel talks between the US and Iran regarding an end to hostilities.
Are the sources in the room with us now?
No, but seriously can you link any independent credible sources that state there are talks at the moment? Because I'm seeing nada (aside from Trump's Truth Social posts which are as reliable as a fart during dysentery).
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+2
[https://www.axios.com/2026/03/16/iran-war-us-communication-witkoff-araghchi](https://www.axios.com/2026/03/16/iran-war-us-communication-witkoff-araghchi)
>****Mar 16***, 2026 - World*
>*Iran and U.S. have been in direct contact in recent days, sources say*
...
>No, but seriously can you link any independent credible sources that state **there are talks at the moment**?
Trump's Truth Social post is from today (Mar 23):
>I AM PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE COUNTRY OF IRAN, HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. ...
>**Mar 23**, 2026, 11:23 AM
You said there have been '**lots of sources**' for this so this should be easy to provide at least three or four right?
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sxyaustincplMar 23, 2026
+3
Nothing Trump says is considered as being "from a reliable source", if the day ends in a Y, he's full of shit and lying.
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+1
>I said that's a lie because reports **in the past few days** from sources indicates there were talks.
You keep referencing lots of recent 'reports' you are for some reason unable to provide.
Iran's comment in the article is from today (Mar 23) specifically in reference to the *current* tense:
>Monday
>**March 23**, 2026
>Iran's Fars news agency, citing a source, said **there are** no direct or indirect communications with the United States,
But you are bait-and-switching by saying that is a lie because there *were* talks in the past:
>I said that's a lie because reports in the past few days from sources indicates there **were talks**.
We are all aware there have been previous talks between the US and Iran.
Now please provide evidence there *currently* are direct or indirect communications with the US that actually contradict the report you are claiming is false.
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AxlLightMar 23, 2026
I'd say you were a bot because it's like talking to a wall, but somehow I feel like a bot would be easier to talk to..
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BadahBingBadahBoomMar 23, 2026
+1
It's only like talking to a wall because you seem to be unable to distinguish the past tense from the current.
I am not going to accept a report from a week ago as proof there are talks today.
Sorry you're getting pushback for being unable to source your claims.
Bots generally are easier to talk to as they are designed to be sycophantic and stroke your ego. They generally agree with you regardless.
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CryptographerShot213Mar 23, 2026
+1
What sources are those? And why would Trump have threatened to destroy their power plants if “talks” had been happening?
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AxlLightMar 23, 2026
+1
His usual posturing and pressure moves.
Also talks always happen during wars, they're usually indirect and are about availability for signals and gauging temperatures.
Ultimately wars end with a piece of paper, and you don't get to that paper by stopping first, you continue the war while another part begins conversations about possible structure to stop hostilities
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EridanosvoidMar 23, 2026
The lesson is believe nothing in today's media
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iloveit142Mar 23, 2026
Oh but of course they MUST be telling the truth now! Totally not a sub 30 iq move given Trump’s rather short temper and fragile ego
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jjaime2024Mar 23, 2026
Those sources have made things up or twisted face the past few weeks.
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luv2ctheworldMar 23, 2026
+10
Sadly I'd believe the Iranians being more accurate than Cheetoh in Chief market manipulator.
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plasmid9000Mar 23, 2026
+9
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Trump is a lying POS.
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CellistHistorical150Mar 23, 2026
+6
Market manipulation in sure. But Christ this reminds me of “I declare bankruptcy!”.
He just thinks of he keeps saying it then it’s true. Wasn’t there also something about him saying that “they (Iran) can’t do that we won!” Or something along those lines?
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KYRivianManMar 23, 2026
+5
It is a sad day for America when we believe our “enemies” news releases more than our own.
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QBert999Mar 23, 2026
+4
it's wild we're in a scenario where no reasonable informed person believes anything the president of the united states says.
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+13
Did Trump actually believe that talks with Iran were happening? In any case, he is a f****** embarassment.
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hughcruikMar 23, 2026
+11
No. He just needed some bullshit story to cover his ass when Iran didn't cave in to his ultimatum.
TACO.
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Superb-Welder3774Mar 23, 2026
+3
Delusional psychosis….. bad dream after some tacos he ate for dinner
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MrLuridMar 23, 2026
+3
> Did Trump actually believe that talks with Iran were happening?
I just assume it's the dementia riddled narcissism that concocted it.
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TheForeverUnbannedMar 23, 2026
+9
Iran has absolutely no reason to capitulate to Trump at this point, his only reputation is that he will change his mind in his deals and f*** you anyway. It’s going to take someone like China or maybe the EU stepping in, and even then who knows.
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EighthfloormeetingMar 23, 2026
+2
Probably China over the EU at this point. The EU has also lost credibility.
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mikeybagodonutsMar 23, 2026
+4
No sure how he can negotiate with a five iron in his hand…
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Superb-Welder3774Mar 23, 2026
+2
Or his head up his ass
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steveosaurusMar 23, 2026
+3
“five days” so he can continue with Market Manipulation Friday
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bricklabMar 23, 2026
+3
It's a sad state of things when I believe what Iran has to say over the President and the US government.
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dkorabellMar 23, 2026
+3
So Donnie Dementia is talking to imaginary friends.
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+1
Actually... Maybe he sorted out the Iran situation with putin?
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allIsOneOfCourseMar 23, 2026
+3
that's because trump is just lying again because he has no idea what he's doing.
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Big-Demoniac-607Mar 23, 2026
+2
So i guess Iran will just keep bombing?
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Expert-Explorer8894Mar 23, 2026
+2
Mr art of the deal is negotiating with himself again.
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AThousandBloodhoundsMar 23, 2026
+2
You mean POTUS lied?
IT CANNOT BE!!
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Calcutec_1Mar 23, 2026
+4
that was surprising.
/s
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Scrambled_RamblerMar 23, 2026
+3
Can't believe either of the 2.
Regardless would prefer trump being right for once.
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+2
So the oil price will go up, and stocks down, again then!?
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Dgp68824402Mar 23, 2026
+1
Called that an hour ago.
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RostyCMar 23, 2026
+1
I think I (Iran) would have let that go and see what happens. But they appear to be egging him on.
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+1
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+6
In olden times, we'd believe the US president on such matters. Now sadly we can't, and have to scratch the barrel for information.
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RoundAd4247Mar 23, 2026
+5
When would you have believed the US president on “such matters”? When G.W. Bush lied about “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq, or when he declared “mission accomplished “? Or any previous administration when it came to a conflict on the middle east, or Latin America, for that matter?
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LoCPhotoMar 23, 2026
+4
Uh, having lived through that, we did believe Bush about WMD and Mission Accomplished. After the fact we got jaded.
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+3
Yep, I also remember his lapdog, Tony Blair and his WMD dossier...
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scapini_tarotMar 23, 2026
+2
speak for yourself, 100% of my family, my friends, and my co-workers knew Bush was absolutely and completely full of shit about WMDs
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Superb-Welder3774Mar 23, 2026
+2
Smarter than me on that one
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+2
Agreed, good points. Still, it was not as blatant and ridiculous as now with trump. Evolution my arse
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gedge72Mar 23, 2026
+2
My critical thinking told me Trump was almost certainly lying about talks even without this conflicting report. We know he lies constantly, usually TACOs out of deadlines he invents, and Iran's Foreign Ministry has recently dismissed the idea of talks while under attack.
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scapini_tarotMar 23, 2026
+4
It's exactly the opposite. Anyone not blinded by their political beliefs knows that Trump lies constantly. It isn't as if there isn't mountains of evidence that this is the case. Another interpretation is that he has dementia but we don't have any real evidence of that. His constant lying on the other hand is easily proved. If you're rational, your first assumption when Trump says something is that A. it probably isn't true and B. he'll say the opposite within days, sometimes hours, or as with the press conference on Friday, within minutes. Is Iran state media credible? Not very. Are they more credible than Trump? They are.
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gedge72Mar 23, 2026
+1
I'm curious who Trump would even be talking to since they keep killing Iran's leadership. And of course doing a TACO before the US markets open sounds plausible. I'm just saying, on balance, it's probably not true. I could equally point out your obvious love of Trump is blinding you to this possibility.
I guess we'll find out in 5 days if the imaginery talks lead to anything but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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gedge72Mar 23, 2026
+2
I don't think Iran's state media are remotely trustworthy. But this is very much along the lines of what Trump does don't you think? I guess that's what I misunderstood from your reply. Why is it controversial to be sceptical of Trump being honest here?
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gedge72Mar 23, 2026
+2
I wasn't purposely being 'accepting' of Iran's uknown source. I guess I was expecting we would hear that response very shortly yes, but I don't take it as any kind of confirmation. Just that it's aligns with what I think most likely.
If they'd agreed they were in talks that for sure would have tipped the balance far more in the opposite direction.
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gedge72Mar 23, 2026
+1
BTW: I am sorry I called you a Trump supporter (but you did come at me like one). I'm not sure where you got the idea I endorsed the veracity of this report. I just set out why I was already sceptical of Trump's account.
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projecto15Mar 23, 2026
+1
That's always a good plan
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coatofforearmMar 23, 2026
+1
Who knows if they have anything resembling free press there though
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daftmonkeyMar 23, 2026
-2
Allow me to mansplain what’s going on:
We’re winning. Bigly. Every day Iran’s capabilities are diminished. Those big booms are their underground missile storage facilities blowing up along with the manufacturing supply chains. The most recent attack at Yazd are a big deal.
The Israelis (who have deep intel) estimate a low but decent probability of some sort of naturally occurring popular revolt after hostilities end.
They predict that Iran won’t give up ballistics or terror in negotiations yet. And they assess that as Iran weakens its remaining leaders need to project strength for domestic political considerations.
Best strategy is to mollify markets, allow them to keep chest thumping and buy more time to keep savaging them. And luckily for us Trump isn’t swayed by pressure from Irans fifth column on the American left.
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AndreLeGeant88Mar 23, 2026
-3
I think Fars also has reported that the US bombed the GCCs, and Iran never has. It's a propaganda arm. Hopefully talks are happening.
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