It's sometimes important to remember that as illegal and unnecessary the war against Iran is, Iran is still a shit place for human rights.
Donald Trump isn't engaging in this war for the likes of Narges Mohammadi or anything she fought for. He's doing this to distract the press from the rapes, the economy he's tanking and to increase the portfolio of his family and friends.
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SpiderSlitScrotumsApr 2, 2026
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Doctors have learned long ago that [“first, do no harm.”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere) If you don’t know what you are doing, you can make things far worse. Perhaps this should be a rule for international relations. Doctors can’t cure every disease or injury, and foreign relations can’t cure every evil. But you are liable to make things worse if you don’t know what you are doing.
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IMOBY_EdmontonApr 2, 2026
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We could call it the Prime Directive.
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beastwood9498Apr 2, 2026
+37
And to prove himself despite his little mushroom.
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RobutNotRobotApr 2, 2026
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It's not that important to remember when the US is protecting a country where it's a beheading offense to be an atheist.
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UnexaminedLifeOfMineApr 2, 2026
+8
This was has been in the making for over 47 years though. It’s very narrow minded to think it was all a ruse to hide the Epstein files, files that no one was gonna do doodly-Squat about anyway. Epstein files were gonna be just like Panama papers anyway. IMO
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UnexaminedLifeOfMineApr 2, 2026
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Israel has been working on this for decades
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fgtswagApr 2, 2026
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How is it unrelated to the epstein files when:
There is still no good reason to go to war with Iran.
Epstein is linked to Israel and Mossad
Israel has been wanting to go to war for 47 years.
It also benefits Russia
There seems to be a pretty linear correlation with the Epstein files and then causing all sorts of international chaos to distract from them. We legitimately cannot keep up with all of the chaos that is going on, congress have to think about a war, they cannot tackle the files and a global crisis (that they caused) at once. So it's working to the extent of the plan of Israel, and Trump
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UnexaminedLifeOfMineApr 2, 2026
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It’s related to the Epstein files the same way all powerful people are related to the Epstein files. Correlation does not equal causation. Just because they all happen to be pedophiles doesn’t mean this war was because of their pedophelia
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External-Praline-451Apr 2, 2026
+5
It's certainly a good distraction from the Epstein files, but there's a wider network behind Trump, like the Heritage Foundation and accelerationists like Peter Theil. The war fits into their plan for a fascist takeover of the US, is being used to potentially defund medicare, etc, and potentially disrupt the midterms. Also to f*** up the rest of the world's oil market, cash in, and to further isolate the US from allies.
It's not just about the Epstein files.
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LX1027Apr 3, 2026
+2
Essentially destroying the middle class and widening the wealth gap.
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fgtswagApr 2, 2026
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What? The burden of proof is on Trump (and you).
What is the reason to go to war with Iran. Every time for the last 2 years when improved peace talks were scheduled, Israel bombed them.
We wouldn't be having an oil crisis without the war. *You* prove it, this war is idiotic and none of your allies support it. You seem like a bot for this opinion, otherwise I can't believe you're real
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Time-Industry-1364Apr 2, 2026
+4
It’s amazing to think this guy started a conflict in the Middle East…. To prevent the details of the Epstein files from being released.
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ory1994Apr 2, 2026
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What’s more amazing is starting the war to allegedly distract from the economy when… the war is directly impacting the economy.
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GunnieKApr 2, 2026
+4
what's more amazing is watching the Americans vote this rapist in twice
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IMOBY_EdmontonApr 2, 2026
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No one is defending the Iranian regime here, but Trumps actions have helped that regime far more than cripple it. More moderate leaders were killed off, the extremists have now been justified, and the anti-American sentiment is only going to grow in the country as American's keep killing their people.
Iran was a brutally repressive dictatorship that had mass killed protestors, and even charged families for the bullet used to execute their children, but none of that is likely to change with this war. A US land invasion is likely only going to target coastal regions in an attempt to control the coast and secure the strait, it's not going to press inland to take down the government, unless the US government is willing to take massive casualties.
Lets say the US does topple the regime though, that your country is able to take over the whole of Iran and do so with acceptable losses. Then what? Did regime change work in Iraq, or Afghanistan? The same Iranian regime will continue to hold power, or fight until it can resume power because you don't change a government by fighting the whole country head on. Every American action that kills Iranians is widening the pool of recruits for the regime, and growing it's base of support.
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IMOBY_EdmontonApr 2, 2026
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I'll condemn them, but fighting a war that is likely to end in a stalemate, kill more civilians than the anti protest movement, destabilize the region creating factional or insurgent violence for the next decade (great for the arms companies though), and destabilize the global economy is not something I will support.
And frankly, October 7th isn't my concern, why should my nation be dragged into the squabbles of the Middle East? What is the bigger picture, what is the benefit for my country? Right now this war has done nothing, but cost us, and I do not believe it will change the situation in Iran for the better.
Also if the death tolls are what matter here, than why isn't Sudan being invaded? Far more people have been killed there than in Iran or Israel, and the threat to the region from societal breakdown is also far greater than the situation in the Middle East. If the war is determined by morale prerogative, it seems misdirected.
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d3c0Apr 2, 2026
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Leave your religious nonsense to church time please. No one wants it polluting discussion and derailing it
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IMOBY_EdmontonApr 2, 2026
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You are no different than the Iranian fanatics you rail against, and I have no doubt with their power you would do the same as them, killing those you disagree with.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
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You are in favor of them and were happy inside when Oct 7th happened.
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CudaBarryApr 2, 2026
Give up, these talking points don't work anymore, you can't scream "antisemetism" and "regime bad" and "October 7th" at arguments anymore. Enjoy the inevitable destruction of Is*ael.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
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> Enjoy the inevitable destruction of Is*ael.
I think you're the one who'd enjoy that pipe dream. 👌
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GetsBetterAfterAFewApr 2, 2026
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Ok now do the US and its absolute trashing of human rights here? We all know what Iran is whats the point of saying this stuff we all know. Youre just justifying war crimes because "theyre bad guys" meanwhile here a gestapo is violating legal innocent citizens and shooting people in the face and leaving people to die on the streets and literally building concentration camps all over the country. We are kidnapping foreign leaders, we are literally vaporizing fishermen, we are dismantling voting rights, we let 1m people die thru covid and I can go on and on! This isnt about hiding pedophiles this is straight up authoritarian take over of a free country, its about teaming up with the fascist country of Israel to wage war on the fuckin world.
US is responsible for killing millions of people around the world, its not hard to find this information but yes Iran is bad, and lastly USA is partially responsible for Iran being where they are now because all we do is Imperialism around the world and people continue to point to everyone but ourselves. Sick of this shit.
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EscapedTheWhirlpoolApr 2, 2026
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No one wants to hear morality lessons from Christian Trumpers.
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EscapedTheWhirlpoolApr 2, 2026
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I don’t think he exists but I definitely hate those who use a morality tale from thousands of years ago to justify all of their own bigotry.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
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> I don't think
No kidding.
> but I definitely hate those who use a morality tale from thousands of years ago to justify all of their own bigotry
Then that would mean you hate God. Especially Jesus Christ. What a statement to make on the very day he chose to suffer and die for you.
Your judgment will not be pleasant. Enjoy your easter weekend 👍
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EscapedTheWhirlpoolApr 2, 2026
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Don’t forget to kick the immigrant on your way to praying to prosperity Jesus.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
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You mean like what you would have done to Jesus while he was carrying his cross?
You would have cheered for Barabbas.
Enjoy your Easter!
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EscapedTheWhirlpoolApr 2, 2026
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I went to a catholic school growing up. Even after realizing it was all bullshit, I still had respect for my teachers because they were not raging hypocrites like all of you Golden Pig worshippers. I almost hope there was a God so he could spit in your face when you meet him.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
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> I went to a catholic school growing up. Even after realizing it was all bullshit
So did I. You have no excuse.
> I almost hope there was a God so he could spit in your face when you meet him.
How ironic. That's what people did to him on this very day as he was carrying a cross.
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External-Praline-451Apr 2, 2026
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Do you really think Jesus would support mass detention centres of immigrants, bombing innocent people "back to the stoneage" and defunding medicaid and medicare? I'm an athiest, but I used to be a Christian and you're deluded if your interpretation of Christ's teaching makes what Trump's doing ok. Trump fits in more with the antichrist.
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Such_Branch_1019Apr 2, 2026
He kicked each and every single one of his own people out of their land (Israel) for crucifying his son.
They had no home. They were not allowed to re-gather into their land until fairly recently (1948.)
Happy easter by the way.
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DenialMaster1101Apr 2, 2026
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Answer his damn question, you sanctimonious prick.
>Do you really think Jesus would support mass detention centres of immigrants, bombing innocent people "back to the stoneage" and defunding medicaid and medicare?
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External-Praline-451Apr 2, 2026
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Cherry-picking and fake Christians, a match made in heaven (or is it hell)?
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TXDobberApr 2, 2026
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You want to know why there’s no organised resistance or opposition in Iran? Because the regime does this to any potential leaders who even remotely oppose them.
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darksunshamanApr 2, 2026
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Good thing we don't do that *here*!
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Top_Report_4895Apr 3, 2026
+8
Well, fight to keep it that way.
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lollipop999Apr 3, 2026
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Not yet!
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zephitoApr 3, 2026
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Not officially
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Pale_Sell1122Apr 3, 2026
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Not really, this person is just like Maria Machado, foreign collaborator. Machada also got this scam nobel prize only for everyone to see how she was pleading for oligarchs to come loot Venezuela
edit: blocked me.
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TXDobberApr 3, 2026
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I mean, you’re just wrong lmao.
You can’t just declare every person opposed to regimes you support as foreign collaborators, you can’t call legitimate protests against regimes you engage in apologia for as colour revolutions or foreign coordinated.
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profesorgaminApr 3, 2026
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It's just a game of "chess" between ths two super powers, historically when one side over strangles their vassals the other side starts faning the flames of revolution...
And it goes both aways... that's why there were "soviet" aligned countries rigth in the big A's back yard. It's all a tiresome game where the bulk of the losses and suffering befall on the vassals.
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mmille24Apr 2, 2026
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Iran slaughtered thousands of their own for protesting. This is a drop in the bucket to their atrocities.
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Hour-Passenger-8513Apr 2, 2026
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Now let's slaughter thousands more by dropping bombs on their homes, schools, universities, hospitals.
Makes complete sense. Not.
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Pale_Sell1122Apr 3, 2026
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Not quite, this is what Fox News says and it's more complex than that. Iran stopped a foreign-backed riot and insurgency on January 8th and 9th. There was two weeks of protests from Bazaaris before January 8th where no protestor was killed. The Bazaris largely went home but things only got violent on January 8th when CIA and Mossad started arming rioters and Reza Pahlavi told them to take over police stations and govt buildings.
Israeli channel 14 has admitted to arming rioters. NED and Mike Pompeo have also admitted to agents being involved and logistical support being provided.
This is the same pattern of color revolutions we've seen elsewhere in the global south. Even Scott Bessent admitted to deliberately manipulating Iranian currency to spike inflation
The goal was to destroy Iran from within to make the war easier. Iran stopped the plan
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poundrussApr 3, 2026
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Yikes, you tankies are actually brainwashed it's wild
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mmille24Apr 3, 2026
Yeah, that's just factually inaccurate. There were ~35 people killed by January 6th according to multiple reports. 2000 arrested! Many of who which have been put to death recently and many still facing the death penalty.
January 8 marked the regime’s live fire, not the sudden start of foreign armed violence. They were just literally firing live ammunition into crowds. You don't get to 6-15k people slaughtered by just shooting the people with the guns. While the U.S. deliberately exacerbated the currency crisis, Pahlavi encouraged protests, claims of sudden CIA/Mossad arming is nothing more than unverified regime framing. Like of course Pahlavi, Israel, and the US want the Iranian regime to fail, that doesn't make their slaughter of their citizens in the THOUSANDS any less horrific.
I don't watch Fox, but you are simply parroting Iranian regime talking points. You need to dig a little deeper on the protests and who were involved/slaughtered. How Iran went about it. This has occurred many times now over the years (1999 Student Protests, 2009 Green Movement, 2017–2018 Economic Protests, 2019 Bloody November, 2022–2023 Mahsa Amini / Woman, Life, Freedom protests), and it always ends in slaughters and lifetime prison sentences. It's a hilarious concept that some can't wrap their mind around Iranian citizens wishing to be done with an immensely oppressive murderous theocratic regime. Iran executes people for homosexuality. It's always funny to see people side with that team.
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Pale_Sell1122Apr 3, 2026
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>Yeah, that's just factually inaccurate. There were ~35 people killed by January 6th according to multiple reports. 2000 arrested! Many of who which have been put to death recently and many still facing the death penalty.
Where is your proof that 35 people were killed for protesting? State their exact names. There was only pockets of violence like the one Pahlavist who tried to set cops on fire with a flamethrower, he was arrrested. You are trying to conflate 'protests' with 'riots'. Both happened, but the later phase was riots.
>While the U.S. deliberately exacerbated the currency crisis
You kind of just slid this in there while making it seem like it's trivial. The US wanted to engineer this event in January just like it has with other color revolutions. The current war was already planned since last year and the events of January were meant to serve as the pretext for the war
>Pahlavi encouraged protests
False, he encouraged riots. That makes no sense because, protests were already organically happening through the bazaaris as a result of the inflation spike. All of the casualties on Jan 8th/9th happened near police stations, you conveniently like to gloss over this.
>claims of sudden CIA/Mossad arming is nothing more than unverified regime framing.
False, Israeli channel 14 has admitted to it. NED has also admitted to supplying starlink terminals (of which 40,000 were found in Iran).
>It's a hilarious concept that some can't wrap their mind around Iranian citizens wishing to be done with an immensely oppressive murderous theocratic regime
It's more hilarious when people who know nothing about Iran try to desperately manufacture consent for 92 million Iranians to justify an illegal war to destroy Iran. Does it look like Iranians are being liberated right now? You don't care about Iranians, you just want to use them as political weapons.
Before you continue to infantilize Iranians with this phony saviour complex BS, just look at videos of Iranians on the streets right now. Millions of Iranians take to the streets every night to rally behind their country because they all are against this illegal war that people like you support
> You don't get to 6-15k people slaughtered by just shooting the people with the guns.
These numbers have never been validated. If you have proof, post the names.
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mmille24Apr 3, 2026
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"According to HRANA, the news agency of the Human Rights Activists in Iran, during the first ten days of nationwide protests, through to 6 January inclusive, at least 34 protesters were killed, and at least 2,076 citizens arrested in at least 285 locations.[38] On 7 January, 13 protesters were killed, bringing the total to 45, per Iran Human Rights.
“We then gathered in front of a government building. That was when the forces opened fire on us. It felt as if they were shooting at enemies or armed groups. I felt like I was in a war zone. I saw several people injured, and I believe some were killed on the spot. We tried to take the wounded to hospitals and prevent government forces from arresting injured protesters,” the witness said.
Human rights groups reported late Saturday and Sunday night that the security forces had raided and attacked the Khomeini hospital in the city of Ilam, western Iran, where injured protesters had been taken.
Awyar Shekhi from Hengaw, said: “State forces are firing directly at gatherings and protests without regard for whether those targeted are children or adults. The crackdowns are brutal: teargas and military-grade weapons are being used, and detainees are severely beaten before being transferred to undisclosed locations.”
Another witness from Qom said the security forces could see there were teenagers and children among the protesters, “but that didn’t stop them from firing pellets, teargas and gunfire. The whole situation is only getting more deadly.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/05/children-killed-iran-protests-security-forces
1. You have no idea where shootings happened. The data on this isn't verified in the slightest. You think you have that all plotted out? Ridiculous.
2. Who cares WHERE it occurred? Yeah. The Basj were one of the forces that did the slaughtering, so it would make sense things occurred near their bases.
One right wing reporter mentioning on Israeli channel 14 is NOT an official Israeli government admission. That ONE reporter mentioned “foreign actors” were arming Iranian protesters with live firearms, causing security force deaths. He added that “everyone is free to guess who is behind it.” This was an unsourced hint from a right-wing channel, not an official Israeli government admission, or any deep dive. Iranian officials seized on it as “proof,” but no evidence confirms direct Israeli arming, and certainly nothing proven this was a driving force of protestors being slaughtered. Again, slaughtering protestors is a DECADES old tradition in Iran, but I know I know, it's all the Jew's fault.
NED president mentioned supporting the deployment of about 200 Starlink devices during a February 2026 congressional hearing (before being interrupted). This is far from “admitting to supplying” tens of thousands. Also, why you think this is a defense to an Iranian slaughter is beyond my comprehension? The Iranian regime often causes internet blackouts to prevent their atrocities from leaking out.
As for validation of numbers, the Iranian government has themselves acknowledged 3,117 killed! How stupid can you be? Even if you take the murderous theocratic misogynist homophobic regime at their word, which you have proven you like to do, that's still a MASSACRE.
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hopefeedsthespiritApr 2, 2026
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The US bombed Philly and committed many atrocities toward black people. They are actively erecting and jailing people in concentration camps. Killing multiple people there.
I don’t think citizens would be okay if another country bombed us because of our numerous human rights violations.
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mmille24Apr 2, 2026
+8
Bombed Philly? Wut?
Social injustices is not the same thing as slaughtering protesters by the thousands to tens of thousands, and covering it up. This is what actual genocide looks like.
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DoctorLudnik_717Apr 2, 2026
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-largely-forgotten-history-of-philadelphias-police-bombing-of-black-organization-move
*Edit* Downvote me all you want you animals, but the intention of my post was to answer a question the poster above me couldn't bother to Google on their own.
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mmille24Apr 2, 2026
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OK, but that's 11 people, 40+ years ago, and not actually a move approved/ordered by the president or any top officials.
You know what occurred in Iran 3 years later in 1988? The mass execution of 15,000-30,000 people ORDERED by the authority of Supreme Leader Ruhollah Khomeini.
You people act like useful idiots. There's no both siding this.
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FranjamzzApr 2, 2026
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You know the only evidence of 30,000 massacred are from israeli news sources right ?
You know isreali claimed they hacked every camera in Iran, so if they did. Where's the footage of the massacre
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americonApr 3, 2026
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Do you call any media you don’t like Israeli? It seems to me that the 30,000 number came from the Guardian, Time, and Iran International none of which are Israeli.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead
https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198
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mmille24Apr 3, 2026
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If you read what I wrote, the 30,000 figure was from the 1988 massacre. Not their most recent one which strong documentation has around 6-7000 and upwards.
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ImCreeptasticApr 2, 2026
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No, but Waco was. And just because one country is worse than the other doesn't absolve the US of all its atrocities. The US ain't a utopia either.
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mmille24Apr 3, 2026
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Again, lol, no. Waco wasn't THOUSANDS of people.
I didn't say it does, or it is. However, both siding Philadelphia or now Waco with the multiple mass massacres of the Iranian regime is just intellectually very dumb.
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Lord_NurggleApr 2, 2026
Religion is a hell of a drug. Hopefully one day we as a species can rid ourselves of its chains. Only then Can we truly be free and reach our full potential.
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Pale_Sell1122Apr 3, 2026
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This lady is an asset of foreign agencies just like Maria Machado. She has not once condemned any of America or Israels aggression against Iran (not during the 12-day war or not now).
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Inside-Yak-8815Apr 3, 2026
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Such a disrespectful thing to claim while you sit in the comfort of your home doing absolutely nothing to help.
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Pale_Sell1122Apr 3, 2026
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You don't have the moral highground. You support war and sanctions against Iranians to make them suffer. Also, this Narges lady has not once condemned US/Israeli war on Iran nor the maximum pressure sanctions. Why? Because she's a foreign collaborator. Her
You don't care about Iranians. You simply want assets to do their job of subverting Iran. If you respected Iranians, you would be more concerned about condemning this barbaric war imposed on Iranians where the US/Israel are destroying civilian infrastructure including schools, hospital, cultural heritages sites, pharmaceutical companies, desalination plants, steel factories, etc. Of course, you want to fish for pretexts to justify war instead.
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Lovely_kenzieApr 3, 2026
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No no, you see by destroying all the infrastructure we are liberating Iran. They have the freedom to live amongst the rubble of their 1,000 year old society, see?
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