So essentially they demand capitulation from the US
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BannedAgain123414 days ago
+49
Both sides are demanding surrender from the other side. We're in a deadlock situation.
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usuallysortadrunk4 days ago
+21
Except one side has the world's oil supply by the balls and the other side has Twitter.
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sinfulfng3 days ago
+12
I don’t know, Iran’s meme team has been cooking
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yosisoy3 days ago
+13
You think the other side don't have anything? oh jeez
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usuallysortadrunk3 days ago
-8
Whatever they have, obviously isnt working. So yeah they got nothing.
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yosisoy3 days ago
+5
Ok son
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rifleshooter3 days ago
+3
Amazing, isn't it?
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Nodivingallowed3 days ago
+8
The other side has Truth Social*
I think the distinction is worth mentioning only because it shows how insanely insulated this demented traitor is in his little bubble of sycophants.
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ChrisOhoy3 days ago
+18
“The world’s oil supply” is stretching it.. it’s essentially Asia’s oil supply.
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usuallysortadrunk3 days ago
+10
Idk I'm in Canada and gas went up a a shitload. It's affecting everybody
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ChrisOhoy3 days ago
+8
Yes, the price of a barrel has gone up from $60-70 to $100-110. But the majority of oil from ME was going to Asia, so you’ll see shortages there while you only see higher prices in Canada. Imagine going to the pump only to find it’s empty.
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edidonjon3 days ago
+6
That's what's happening here in SE Asia. F*** this war. We're just trying to live peacefully but these superpowers have to go and f*** shit up for everyone else.
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intricate_strands3 days ago
But Israel!
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skyper_mark3 days ago
+9
Which still has huge global ramifications
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ChrisOhoy3 days ago
-13
Absolutely.. but for US, it’s profitable.. not for the people, but for the government. Petrodollar strengthening and US is still the biggest producer.
Prices will rise until demand drops and level out somewhere around recession or depression.
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Initial-Return88023 days ago
+1
I'm in Madagascar, the small town I'm in runs on diesel and a little bit of solar (that may/may not have had the batteries stolen...) - petrol is already out, I'm imagining we go dark in a week or two.
I've got cans of diesel for my own generator to cover ~200 hours of full power, but if this continues they'll run out eventually...
Luckily, if there's any country that's used to constant power cuts and working manually, it's Madagascar, and most food here is sourced locally. I do think first world countries that aren't used to power cuts are going to fare much worse
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ChrisOhoy3 days ago
-2
First world countries are not affected like that.. inflation will rise but we won’t run out of oil and gas.
If Madagascar is already in a crisis, it’s probably not due to the war in Iran.
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superseven273 days ago
+3
When Asia has to buy where everyone else is buying, what might happen to the world market?
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Fanfics3 days ago
+1
Asia is connected to the global market. If they start buying up oil elsewhere, do you think that materializes from nothing?
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SomeRandomGuydotdot3 days ago
+1
Well, glad to know that you think a bunch of people f****** dying isn't a reason to consider surrenender.
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Enjoyer_of_Cake3 days ago
+1
If Trump only had Twitter this wouldn't be nearly as harrowing.
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Enjoyer_of_Cake3 days ago
+1
If Trump only had Twitter this wouldn't be nearly as harrowing.
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o5mfiHTNsH748KVq3 days ago
+1
It's fascinating reading these out of date headlines and comments out of sync with the actual rollercoaster that is reality.
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HeyItsHelz3 days ago
Well yeah they are winning!
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landomakesatable4 days ago
+17
Unless Trump has a McDonald's induced cardiac event, we're going to end up with a middle east with destroyed oil facilities.
Buckle up for an oil crisis the likes we have never seen.
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Emeraldw3 days ago
+3
Oh that's just the beginning.
If Iran follows through with it's plan to hit all the neighboring regions vital infrastructure, the war will escalate into a full blown bloodbath on all sides.
Oil might be the least of our concerns soon.
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TheFinnishChamp4 days ago
+27
Obviously USA will never accept these sorts of terms. Unless something surprising happens out of left field Trump pretty much has to follow up his threats. And that has a very good chance of leading to attacks on Gulf states' desalination plants by Iran. Very interesting next couple of days coming up.
I gues Trump could always say that negotiations are going so well that he postpones the deadline to friday evening but at this point that tactic shouldn't fool the markets.
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Mateo_O4 days ago
+10
It should be just enough for another set of nice inside tradings.
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big-papito4 days ago
+1
Are you sure? He was already blabbering about "nation building" at Easter. I read that as "reparations". He also claimed he invented the term "nation building", but let's not even go there.
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Drak_is_Right3 days ago
+1
Doesnt matter.
Israel wont.
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lightgrip4 days ago
+13
It looks like being a messy drawn out crisis to me. Iran won’t back down when they have the leverage of the straits and no amount of bombing power plants and bridges will change that. It also now risks becoming more wide spread regional conflict.
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Apprehensive-Log36384 days ago
+10
Issue is Iran has the most leverage they are going to ever have now. They might be able to make some sort of deal currently. Eventually the US and the Gulf states will secure the Straight. They will probably bomb Iran for another month or two. Once Irans ballistic missiles capacity is spent, they will start taking land. Once that happens there will not be negotiations, it will just be surrender or die.
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Drak_is_Right3 days ago
+8
Iran's ballistic missile capacity is believed to be very low
I think they have launched over 2500 now and a lot more have been destroyed.
Their drones though, its thought they still have over half their stockpile.
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fury4203 days ago
+1
I find a lot of reporting on Iran's attacks seems remarkably incomplete, it's very common to see mentions of how c**** Iran's attacks are that only point to the $10k or $20k cost of the cheapest models of Shaheed drones.
Meanwhile there's more than a dozen different models of Shaheed, and there's rarely mentions of potential costs for manufacturing their ballistic missile arsenal.
Iran has ballistic missiles that are more than 15m / 50ft tall, that weigh like 15-20 tons and have a range of 1000-2000km and that cost millions to design & manufacture.
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Drak_is_Right3 days ago
+1
Yup.
The ballistic missiles are only cheaper due to many being manufactured years ago and due to lower wage economy.
But its still often near a million if not a few million. Some of the most modern and advanced ones may approach rhe cost of a THAAD interceptor.
While.some Patriots have been used on drones uts mostly been cheaper methods.
Gulf states have been wasteful at times however.
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Manofchalk3 days ago
+7
I don't think its ever going to be feasible to secure the Strait to make it safe for commercial shipping.
That and if the war turns truly existential for Iran, they have no reason to hold back. If we are worried now about fuel security and its been a month, an all out assault on refineries and pipelines puts them out of action for years. A campaign on desalination plants will result in humanitarian crisis and likely evacuation of the Gulf countries as they cant survive without those artificial water sources.
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SpaceYetu5313 days ago
+1
Saudi could build a pipe line.
And the longer it goes on, the more wells will open up around the globe. The price being high long term makes some areas not previously considered profitable, now profitable.
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Manofchalk3 days ago
+1
A pipeline is infrastructure like any other, it can be blown up. That pipeline would be fed by oil rigs that still sit not far from Iran's border.
True, but I don't think that's going to be a factor for a while. This is an acute crisis that for now could just end anytime, while it takes months and a lot of money to start extracting new oil that baked into the premise, is only profitable during very high prices.
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Apprehensive-Log36383 days ago
-1
Exactly. If the US and Gulf countries decide to secure the Straight, they are marching on Tehran, they are not stopping. Once ground troops hit, diplomacy is gone. It is a ground war to topple the Iranian government.
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KahlessAndMolor3 days ago
+5
They are being supplied by Russia and China, so they have infinite drones. Invasion would be impossible, Ukraine but worse.
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Apprehensive-Log36383 days ago
Ukraine is a bad example.
Ukraine is what it is due to neither country having air superiority. That conflict has devolved into WW1 style trench warfare. Drones do not work when the other side has A10's and other close air support torching positions, then fast moving armor in mass taking land rapidly. Also unlike Ukraine, Iran is a heavily divided nation. Around 50% of the country are from different religious and cultural sects that do not identify as Persian. Of that remaining 50% some portion are disaffected with the regime(see recent protests). If US goes in Kurds and other groups(who have been armed by the CIA) would start attacking. That Regime would go down rather quickly.
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9millibros3 days ago
+1
There's a difference between video games and real life.
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I_might_be_weasel3 days ago
+1
Even if that made any sense, that still would mean months of the straight being closed.
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Apprehensive-Log36383 days ago
+2
That does not impact any of the parties involved in the conflict. Every country in this conflict is energy independent with respect to the straight. US does not need the oil. Frankly US has a lot of dormant production due to oil being so c****. Those oil wells will come online and start sending oil out. That makes countries dependent on US for energy, which furthers the US petrol dollar.
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echoron3 days ago
+6
Either way, its more than obvious that mankind needs to get rid of fossil fuels addiction and come up with better Energy source - one that will be not depending on 1 or 2 states controlling it and using it as economic weapon.
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Boys4Ever3 days ago
+2
We started this at the demand from Israel. Just declare victory. Have a ticker tape parade and leave Israel to clean up this mess. Accept Iran will place tolls on passage. We are to blame for that. Own it.
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I_am_Zuul3 days ago
+2
It really is that simple, too. People will try to make it more complicated than this, but it's not.
We (the U.S.) clearly underestimated the abilities of Iran in defending their territory/space. They're slowly pushing Trump into a corner wherein the options are to leave or put troops on the ground. Considering Trump has no problem lying about the true outcome of things, it's super easy to your point: claim "victory" and run away. That's the only outcome that doesn't result in more Americans dying in my opinion...
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Market_Monkey_3 days ago
+1
>"Two senior Iranian officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive negotiations, said the proposal included a guarantee that Iran would not be attacked again, an end to Israeli strikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon and the lifting of all sanctions.
>In return, Iran would lift its de facto blockade of the key shipping route through the Strait of Hormuz. Iran would also impose a fee of roughly $2 million per ship that it would split with Oman, which sits across the strait. Iran would use its share of the proceeds to reconstruct infrastructure destroyed by American and Israeli attacks, rather than demand direct compensation, according to the plan.
>Asked on Monday about the latest proposal involving Iran, Mr. Trump said: “It’s a significant proposal. It’s a significant step.” He added: “It’s not good enough. But it’s a very significant step.”
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lightspuzzle3 days ago
+1
there is no proposal.just the delusions of an idiot.
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Interesting-Quiet8324 days ago
-6
They should go for gold. kill donnie and host the next world cup. or surrender. either way is fine for everybody
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lonigus4 days ago
-7
It looks like they gonna target the road and train infrastructure as that is the last step before the energy infrastructure which is a clear war crime.
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