So the U.S. lifts sanctions on Iran and will also attack Iran's energy sites. Meanwhile, the U.S. is coercing Ukraine from targeting Russia's energy infrastructure. Who's running this show?
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whatproblems6 days ago
+1453
a dementia patient?
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+292
No, I think a dementia patient would still have some morals. As my grandfather was on his deathbed, he was suffering from dementia and he was as kind as he’d always been. Though there’s no way in hell he recognized either my brother or me.
But I guess he wasn’t so far gone since he could still speak English at the end.
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Metalloid_Maniac_6 days ago
+119
Yeah that would be true if we weren't talking about a dementia patient with a severe case of malignant narcissism.
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Aromatic-Teacher-7176 days ago
+106
This is not true. Dementia can make people who normally are not aggressive suddenly become so. It affects everyone differently, and doesn't have anything to do with ones morals or lack thereof.
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+44
Well, Trump has never been known as being passive. He’s always been an aggressive, racist, idiot.
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Aromatic-Teacher-7176 days ago
+14
I'm not saying that's untrue.
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whiskeyjack14036 days ago
+10
I am not a fan of the man, but in his first term he was mocking John Bolton for wanting to go to war with Iran so badly, and was pretty good about scaling back US involvement in this sort of thing. It was one of the few good points about him.
Now it’s like a complete 180?? It makes the dementia case much stronger to me.
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dillpickles0076 days ago
+15
Trump was always pretty firmly anti-war, it was a big part of his schtick every time he ran including 2024 lol
That populist bent is what kind of won people over, he just happened to abandon every single one of those principles the moment he got elected.
Unfortunately his base is so f****** dumb that they all chanted “no new wars!” For over a year and then flipped to like 85% approval for new wars as soon as Trump started one, they have no morals or principles whatsoever.
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+6
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Maybe_In_Time6 days ago
+6
Yup. Many a caretaker and healthcare provider will attest that their patients will go back to their childhood teachings of yelling slurs like the environment they grew up in, for example.
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NMe846 days ago
+5
This dementia patient had no morals when he was younger either.
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liquidsyphon6 days ago
+21
Trump never had morals to begin with
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SgtKeeneye6 days ago
+3
Well trump was never kind nor had empathy
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metalman82916 days ago
+4
Trump has never had any morals.
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Abedeus6 days ago
+6
That assumes dementia patient had morals to begin with.
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adamdoesmusic6 days ago
+8
My grandma had dementia. It took so many of her memories, so many aspects of her personality.. but it never went deep enough to affect her hatred for Donald Trump. In clearer moments she would jokingly brag that she took the same test as the president and scored as well as him.
When she had to go to the hospital, they asked her questions to assess her mental state:
“what is your name?” [Took her a second to remember]…
“what year is it?” [idk]…
“Do you know where you are?” [wasn’t entirely sure, hospital?]…
“who is the president?” [IMMEDIATE scowl, balling fists, “ohhh… that JACKASS!!!”]
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Not_Cleaver6 days ago
+2
My other grandfather did not have dementia, but he lost so much after multiple strokes. So, at the end, you’d ask him what year it is and he’d say 1968. But if you ask him who the president was, he’d say with as much disgust as possible “Obama.”
We told him Trump was running and he made a bunch of disgusted sounds. My grandmother (his wife) told me in November that she thought that Trump was a complete b******.
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whoisyourwormguy_6 days ago
+58
Did you see his rants the last two days? He’s obsessed with owning THE OIL. He wants it and thinks somehow that he will win it by waging this war with Iran.
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WeinMe6 days ago
+12
Yes, someone is getting him to want the oil, because it playing into their agenda.
And it probably is Israel who is gaining the most from the current state of the world.
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mnradiofan6 days ago
+131
Russia.
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snamuh6 days ago
+43
The Heritage Foundation
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ThePlanck6 days ago
+14
RFK Jrs brain worm?
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MareC0gnitum6 days ago
+7
Putin
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BrucesTripToMars6 days ago
+6
A Russian agent compromised by kompromat.
6
Global_Crew39686 days ago
+7
Putin
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Previous_Soil_51446 days ago
+16
Putin and China will win
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BackendSpecialist6 days ago
+5
They won when they helped him get elected onto his first term.
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tdrules6 days ago
+2
China’s green revolution has had a brilliant year in geopolitics
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i3order6 days ago
+11
Israel
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ACMomani6 days ago
+9
Answer is Iran is making him look bad because he started the war, I lost count on how many times he declared victory, also he said Iran's military capabilities are decimated yet the proof on the land says otherwise.. in short Iran embarrassed him while he never really gave a shit about Ukraine.
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Awkward_Cheetah_24806 days ago
+6
Putin.
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf6 days ago
+282
How to say you are ready to escalate without saying escalation is what you expect anyway. It is messaging to enforce or repeat an ultimatum. Surprising, not really.
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socialistrob6 days ago
+74
I don't think this should be brushed off as empty posturing. It seems that the negotiations to end the fighting have failed and so if the US wants the strait opened they now have to either concede to a lot of Iranian demands or escalate. Based on the amount of military assets being moved to the Middle East and these threats being made I think it seems the US is going to try to inflict significantly more damage on Iran to try to push them to the negotiating table. I'm also skeptical that strikes on energy targets will be effective in that regard. It's very hard to bomb civilians into submission.
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iidesune6 days ago
+48
Right. Bombing civilians into submission didn't work in Vietnam against the Communists, and it won't work with Iran.
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somnambulant13126 days ago
+20
Also it is a heinous war crime but I guess everyone has now moved past that
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Diezelbub6 days ago
+5
I would expect the intent is to empower the opposition to the sharia law based government which if not violenty oppressed would make significant changes.
The problem is 30K of them brave enough to speak up were just recently slaughtered by the government that would rather fill the entire straight with oil from sunk tankers and execute any voices of internal displeasure with mass murdering its own citizens than step down
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bradab5 days ago
+2
Exactly. Let the people of Iran choose their path. Their government has spread evil into the world by supplying lethal weapons to terrorists that use them to target civilians. They did this to provoke action in locations outside of their borders in hopes that war will deplete the western economies. When their people standup and say they want a different path, they are mowed down with 50 cals strapped to pickup trucks while snipers hit them from rooftops. There is no moral equivalence here.
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bisectional6 days ago
+23
It's actually never worked in history to bomb a country into submission. The atomic bombs in Japan being perhaps an exception. They were devastating. But the Russians were also ready to invade and it would not have gone well for Japanese territory if they had.
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demonica1236 days ago
+12
>But the Russians were also ready to invade
No, they weren't. They invaded Manchuria, but they weren't getting involved on the Mainland. They didn't have the naval equipment for that. The US was in the final steps before launching their own invasion though.
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litokid6 days ago
+12
The Japanese *believed* the Russians were ready to invade, which is what mattered.
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ConfederacyOfDunces_6 days ago
+97
If this happens, we are headed towards WW3
Iran will attack every desalination plant it can. This is about to turn into a massive humanitarian crisis.
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Frequent_Can1176 days ago
+48
WW3 began when Russia invaded Ukraine fully (could argue 2014 was the start). The invasion brought in many country’s involvement, in combat and intel. Now the war in the middle east affects Russia’s abilities in Ukraine. US helps Ukraine to identify and hit targets, Russia (and probably China more discreetly) are helping Iran hit targets.
War has become more asymmetrical, not just large battles. Drones, cyberwarfare, information warfare. It’s already here.
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Anxious-Slip-47016 days ago
+18
That's just what we were doing during the cold war.
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Telcontar776 days ago
+17
>WW3 began when Russia invaded Ukraine fully (could argue 2014 was the start).
Assuming this ends up being the kind of thing we choose to call a world war, it didn't start with Russia-Ukraine just as we don't include Japan's fighting in China pre-1939 as being world War 2. Up until Iran, it was really just yet another regional conflict among many that are/have happening around the world.
>The invasion brought in many country’s involvement, in combat and intel
Alternatively, why not mark the start of world War with the Afghanistan War? That certainly involved a lot of countries as well, and in many ways marked the beginning of the current iteration of American imperialism and terrorism in the middle east.
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf6 days ago
+6
hate to say, not "if", it already is headed toward escalation. Easy to see on someone specific calling europeans to join, which as of same someone would be a gesture because the same also claims he can do it alone anway. So you see self declared power forcing others to align into their open hostilities, which is a very sharp indicator something runs out of control and touches the well being of anyone even remotely reliant on oil/gas. So those called up on try to prevent being sucked in. Safe to say the humanitarian crisis will unfold regardless, it actually does already.
Sometimes it overcomes me to ask why 20y Afghanistan pinpong left it with nice military airports perfect for certain scenarios, hint hint, unless i really overestimate what happened over those 20y in A.
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scarletOwilde6 days ago
+112
They won't wait for a green light.
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Foreverwite6 days ago
+22
I agree. This is telling them theyre going to do it or else some more epstein files come dripping out.
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bradab5 days ago
+2
Story is slop. Some hold me back bro planted intimidation story with an unnamed official claiming something that doesnt really track.
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[deleted]6 days ago
+139
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StrengthDazzling89226 days ago
+33
The west will pay to rebuild it. Oil is still there underground and doesn’t cost them a cent. They will just charge us whatever they need to cover their losses and we will pay it.
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Electrifying20176 days ago
+14
Yeah, but a lot of things will be on pause until then just due to the price of oil.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+8
It's much more than just Oil, or even gas, this US/Israel folly is gonna have serious consequences for the global economy. in a matter of weeks.
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richardathome6 days ago
+4
I read something like 40% of the worlds fertilizer passes through the straight, and pretty much all the rare gasses needed for chip manufacturing.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+5
Much of which is still in transit, tankers and cargo ships are slow. Last shipments will arrive at ports in Asia, Europe, and the Americas within the next two weeks, then the reality of the situation bites.
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CampEmbarrassed1706 days ago
+4
How about the whole world in ending soon period. All those carbon emissions from bombing pipelines, tankers, storage tanks are wreaking the climate and poisoning the oceans.
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trellisHot6 days ago
+7
If these jokers beat climate change to the punch..... grrr
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lastpassonright6 days ago
+475
So clearly no one cares about the repercussions of this on the planet.
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cad_internet6 days ago
+198
There's a lot of money to be made when there's war.
Armaments, reconstruction, natural resources, and apparently Polymarket now too.
And then of course a war is a great way to distract people from exposing a global elite pedo ring.
Not a conspiracy theorist, just facts.
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socialistrob6 days ago
+27
> And then of course a war is a great way to distract people from exposing a global elite pedo ring.
It should also be worth remembering that "regime security" is a very common reason countries go to war. Often times a leader will start a war to distract the public from something which can include scandals or a failing economy. Wars are also a convenient excuse to give more money to the military, suspend rights and arrest dissidents. That's not to say for sure that's why this war is happening but historically the cause of a lot of wars is often more about domestic politics than international politics. I think the phrase "invade Iran as a distraction for the Epstein files" sounds a bit too conspiracy theory related for a lot of the more "serious" media organizations but I don't think the war as a way to boost Trump's approval and power should be disregarded just because it doesn't sound like something a US president would typically do.
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Pho3nixr3dux6 days ago
+16
You can almost imagine the rationale being discussed:
Scenario 1: Iran capitulates and Trump gets a political win, US / Israel dictate favorable terms, Trump probably finds a way to personally profit from it, Republicans sail through the midterms on a groundswell of popular support.
Scenario 2: Iran hunkers down for a war of attrition that escalates regionally with increasingly grave economic effects globally. Midterms are effected in such a way as to effectively nullify them, dissenters are herded into ICE warehouse mega-prisons, and MAGA is emboldened.
Either way, there seems a strong possibility for the Heritage Foundation and aligned factions of leveraging outcomes in favorable ways.
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Broken_Reality6 days ago
+39
When it turns out that 90% of rich men are paedophiles well except Musk but only because Epstein thought he was too creepy even for him (But Musk still is a paedophile and he learnt that from his dad who is now married and has a kid with Elon's stepsister). AND then all those rich paedophiles have so much money they can effectively control the USA and by extension the rest of the western world.
"Lets start a war because Trump failed to destroy the Epstein files!"
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ALPB116 days ago
+42
Fast forward 6 years, “WHY ARE THERE SO
MANY IRANIAN REFUGEES?”
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FaceDeer6 days ago
+4
The Iranian refugees will be in Europe, who will know full well why it's happening and who's responsible.
They won't be in America, where those responsible parties will be.
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Lord_Skellig6 days ago
+3
Don't underestimate how many idiots there are in Europe too
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strawberrybubbl6 days ago
+31
Not the people in charge, apparently
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mnradiofan6 days ago
+28
We burn millions of barrels of oil a day in the US alone, an all time high. Why start caring about the planet now?
And don’t get me started on the damage we are causing with single use plastics. We’ll all die sooner because of the microplastics we now all have in our body due to a tainted water supply.
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Easik6 days ago
+22
I came here to say this. The destruction of oil infrastructure and $200/bbl would hopefully save the planet with a sprint to renewables.
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MercantileReptile6 days ago
+2
In the meantime, the economy collapses for millions of people. Living standards go down the drain. Car-centric anything becomes a hindrance, Infrastructure that should have been built decades ago needs to be done overnight.
That is the kind of thing that sees countries collapse, regional warlords and anarchy occur. No thanks.
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Easik5 days ago
+2
Humanity has had decades to prepare and took nearly no action to end oil dependency. I'm good with people dying now for this mistake if it means future generations can thrive.
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MercantileReptile5 days ago
+2
Because large scale investments in infrastructure and the construction thereof are such a smooth undertaking in failed states.
I understand disliking laggard politicians and past efforts, but throwing the world into chaos won't make it any easier to fix them.
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Easik5 days ago
+2
I disagree. I think the only way for the oil dependency to be fixed is by breaking the current system. There is way too much money in oil for any politician to ever move away from it. The loss of life will expedite the transition.
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ael10bk6 days ago
+12
I think from day 1 both US's and Israel's intention was to create a global crisis and lengthy conflict. Nuclear weapons was just a lame excuse like bush's wmd's. Even today we dont know neither the reason nor the goal of the attack.
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gpelayo156 days ago
+6
It's hard for 80 yr olds to care about multiple future decades when they prob have less than 1 whole one left.
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malumfectum6 days ago
+8
Many people care. The US and Israeli administrations - and the voters that put them there - do not.
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GreyMatter226 days ago
+601
This would be an absolute disaster for the entire region.
It is like ending Iran, and alongside causing damage to rest of GCC nations's energy sites which will take 3-5 years for all of them to repair.
As Iran and GCC gets taken out, or are severely limited on their output, it means extremeley high prices on the cost of goods, an immidiate inflationary spike for the rest of the world, a rather large GDP contraction, higher unemployment numbers, and all that fun stuff.
Now on the Iranian side, they become a failed state, which means high illegal migration waves to Europe (Iran is 4x the Syrian population, so we can all imagine), higher illitracy rates which leads to long-term extremisim.
I am sorry to be putting out alarmist comments, but this is a whacky move to put it lightly.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+243
Not alarmist at all, this is already spiralling out of control, and the consequences will be severe.
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Kriztauf6 days ago
+100
The Israelis will come out of this happy though
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+52
Not so sure. The religious fanatics in the US and Israel whom are in power, really wanna bring about their prophesied apocalyptic level events.
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Elegantsurf6 days ago
+22
Judaism doesn't have a apocalyptic event. Or the belief of one is gone after the Holocaust
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+9
Please inform these fanatics of that;
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple\_Institute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Institute)
They really want Armageddon, or War descending upon Geddon, Israel
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ApprehensivePay17356 days ago
+87
This is going to be the end of israel when it's all said and done. Goading the gulf states into joining them on this shit show will lose the decades of alliance building and american popular opinion is slowly turning against them, at some point trump will need someone to throw under the bus and israel is about a perfect a target as any.
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AssassinAragorn6 days ago
+86
Popular opinion isn't turning slowly either, there's now net negative views towards Israel instead of positive, like it had been for decades. And a lot of that is driven by younger people.
They've already fucked themselves gloriously for the future
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Elegantsurf6 days ago
+23
its been worse before and they came back after the first Sini war. But arguably that is why they are acting now since they know either way they are out of political capital
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Kriztauf6 days ago
+11
Social media and the internet weren't a thing back then though
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MephistoHamProducts6 days ago
+8
WWII and The Holocaust were a lot fresher in the global memory back then as well.
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Elegantsurf6 days ago
+2
Yea and people have an extremely short attention span due to them
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iidesune6 days ago
+14
Crazy enough, I think their desired end state is chaos. Better a failed Iran state causing problems for everyone else, than an Islamic Iran causing problems for Israel.
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petit_cochon6 days ago
+2
Ding ding ding.
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Beautiful-Tackle89696 days ago
+102
The literacy rate is Iran is around 90% so the vast majority can read and write their own language. I think what you are trying to say is that they don’t know European languages, which is mostly true, but that doesn’t make them illiterate.
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MiserableTennis65466 days ago
+63
My country has taken in a lot of Iranian refugees. They're our highest educated immigrant group, and overall have integrated really well. Iranians are no illiterates.
Not that we'd appreciate another huge immigrant wave, because integration takes a lot of time, is really expensive and causes a lot of tension. I'd much rather not have their country bombed to pieces.
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Bear_naked_grylls6 days ago
+27
Sounds like someone's holy war to bring about the rapture is well under way then.
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John_T_Conover6 days ago
+9
If the Iranian government ends up on its way to collapse or inevitable defeat, they'll judt launch whatever they have left at the desalination plants in the Gulf countries. Then the entire region will fall into an immediate and long term crisis.
There doesn't seem to be a path to easily ending or winning this war that Israel, Iran and Trump will all agree to.
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Aggravating-Neat17686 days ago
+22
It's just so sad. Just a few actions decided on by two groups of fascists in the US and Israel that took a few hours to carry out have caused so much pain and suffering for years to come.
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TharpaLodro6 days ago
+20
Fascists only exist in societies that allow them to exist.
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AndWinterCame6 days ago
+2
Any society that elevates unpunishable greedthieves to godhood at the expense of human dignity will find fascism taking root within.
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likeahurricane6 days ago
+13
Physical supply shortages in oil-importing emerging economies with dollar denominated debt which is getting more expensive to borrow. What can go wrong???
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ice_up_s0n6 days ago
+5
Take it one step further.
Mass migration putting further strain on European countries, which in turn leads to... say it with me now:
"A continued rise in reactionary right-wing fascism in said European countries, further cementing the consolidation of wealth and power by our new techno-feudal oligarch overlords."
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AppealSame43676 days ago
+11
If US is in Russias pockets, it would totally make sense to a. force Europe to use Russian energy again b. force a migration wave to Europe c. kill competition in the oil, gas etc market in the gulf region.
And because that seems like the most simple solution to me, that must be it.
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neverpost46 days ago
+9
Which country would be worse off? Iran without oil or UAE without oil or Saudi without oil?
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realkin11126 days ago
+40
The real problem is not oil but salination plants, Saudi Arabia and it's 35 million people rely entirely on salination plants to provide water as the whole country does not have a single lake or river. It would be a humanitarian disaster
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Pho3nixr3dux6 days ago
+12
Imagine Saudi and UAE trading oil for potable water on a 1:1 basis.
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jp2996 days ago
+12
You need a lot more water than oil.
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sagi12466 days ago
+8
You mean desalination. A salination plant would be where you take fresh water and make them undrinkable by adding salt
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AverageJoeJohnSmith6 days ago
+3
But guess who is the #1 oil supplier and will still be exporting oil.
They don't give a f*** if the little guy gets fucked as long as oil companies get the W
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spectral_visitor6 days ago
+45
Global consequences. Want 200+$ a barrel and 6$ at the pump? This is how that happens.
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human_eyes6 days ago
+38
We'll be lucky if 6 is the peak
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Happy_Feet3336 days ago
+23
At $200/barrel... you'll be looking at $9/gallon for gasoline.
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RobTheGeologist6 days ago
+2
That sounds c****. Here it's 11.5 dollar per gallon.
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Few-Ad-63226 days ago
+233
Straight up war crimes but who cares anymore? The world is just a free for all now.
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zcas6 days ago
+34
That's why I'm rooting for a meteor in the near future. If we can't come together for that then we need to get reset.
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CommanderInQueefs6 days ago
+19
Full of billionaire survivors who fled for their bunkers?
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yoloswagrofl6 days ago
+10
Their bodyguards will take care of that end.
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Pho3nixr3dux6 days ago
+4
Every one of them hopelessly delusional. Literally just socially maladjusted nerds whose wealth, blind technophilia, cultish sycophants, and dearth of cognitive empathy has allowed them to believe they are Niander Wallace or Peter Weyland.
They'll die as surely as the rest of us -- entombed within their hubris, choking on ash or clubbed to death by the help.
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TR_Pix6 days ago
+7
There's no "we", I am not part of the group f****** things up and I'd appreciate if you fucked off with this "all of mankind is ar fault" bullshit
You want to die for the perceived sins of your species feel free to do it alone.
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JG986 days ago
+16
Anymore? Brother, the US and Israel have been committing war crimes for decades. This whole war has been war crimes.
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AntifascistAlly6 days ago
+20
Thinking about the attacks which have already taken place and their consequences quickly builds a strong case for why previous presidents were wise to avoid this reckless adventure.
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Araminal6 days ago
+10
The government war strategy planners have known for decades that the first move of Iran would be shutting down the Strait, which is why they only did occasional small strikes.
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Royal-Hunter38926 days ago
+79
For Iran it will be equivalent of an economic nuke. If this happens Iran will eventually become a failed state without oil money .
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lastpassonright6 days ago
+73
Iran hitting oil targets in the Gulf will cause a catastrophe.
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liamthelad6 days ago
+64
They'll probably just go straight for desalination plants
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i-am-a-passenger6 days ago
+39
Israel likely sees this as a win
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gregmasta6 days ago
+5
That might even be one of their goals
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John_T_Conover6 days ago
+5
It's not just the Gulf States that use that for water, Israel gets about 80% of its water from desal as well. Iran will go after that and if they take even half of it out Israel will be fucked.
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elreyadr0k6 days ago
+4
Maybe but if those were hit, no Sheik is gonna go thirsty. If you want to scare, say, MBS then oil production is a good bet.
If you could spook AMZN / whoever into leaving the region, that would be a home run, so I suspect those sites would continue being under attack.
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mnradiofan6 days ago
+41
20% of the worlds oil flows through the Strait. If this alone lasts through summer we’ll be in a global recession by fall. And some estimates say 40% of the oil infrastructure in the Middle East is damaged now, so we could be looking at elevated oil prices for the next 3-5 years even if this stops tomorrow.
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Anxious-Slip-47016 days ago
+9
And what's fucked is that none of this had to happen.
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mnradiofan6 days ago
+5
Congress has the power to stop this. By law Trump has to get approval from Congress if this goes past 60 days. What’s fucked up is that’s exactly why he’s escalating. He either HAS to be done in 3 weeks or things have to get so bad that Congress will authorize this.
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moop446 days ago
+5
The majority of voters in the US voted for this and it is backed by a majority in all branches of government. Don't let anyone tell you that it is just because of Donald Trump.
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Aurorion6 days ago
+11
Not really. They could just charge $10 per barrel of oil through the Strait of Hormuz, rather than the $1 they are charging now.
So yeah, the rest of the world will pay Iran reparations for the damage caused by these idiots.
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Both-Store9496 days ago
+7
And a big hit on the petro-dollar , not sure iran is going to lose the most numerically
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spatchi146 days ago
+33
I hate this. Can we pls stop.
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manwhothinks6 days ago
+13
Sorry. Donnie has a small d*** and he just found out that Iran’s is bigger.
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THSSFC6 days ago
+71
"We gonna do some war crimes, U OK?"
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itsatumbleweed6 days ago
+95
This is going to be the thing that pushes it from historically bad to catastrophic. Iran has threatened to retaliate against oil and civilian infrastructure including desalination. Oil is bad for the world, but desal is going to create a humanitarian crisis that's maybe as bad as we have ever seen. There are millions of people across multiple regions of multiple countries that won't have access to water. No where to evacuate to and no way to consistently airlift it in while the war continues.
A nuke would be a kinder option. I'm not advocating for it, but that's what's on the line here.
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stuffedandpickled6 days ago
+11
It’s all market manipulation. Tomorrow will climax. Build up these threats to scare the world, Iran and investors. We all see the writing on the wall and expect the market to drop. Oil to spike. On Monday AM.
Trump and Co. will sell off their oil and buy back hard into the dropping market.
Trump then announces that the missing pilot will be traded and we will announce we leave and let the rest of the world handle the straight. This news will make the market shift insanely up.
Trump and co wins.
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swen_bonson6 days ago
+35
They are announcing war crimes.
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d_repz6 days ago
+11
This would be the most stupid thing ever.
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Ok-Working37146 days ago
+61
I seriously doubt they are waiting for permission.
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yosisoy6 days ago
+22
Then what are they waiting for?
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loweffortflashmob6 days ago
+19
Optics
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yosisoy6 days ago
+9
Waiting for optics how?
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GrimHoly6 days ago
+18
Nah I think they might actually be this time. The optics aren’t positive on this and if the US pulls out they will have a lot harder fight. US support for Israel is already rapidly diminishing. And without the US security umbrella I don’t see them lasting a decade between Russia China Syria Iraq Lebanon Iran Egypt and Europe turning against them.
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pq113336 days ago
+6
Ya go for it. We'll wee a financial crisis never seen in our history.
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Sir_BugsAlot6 days ago
+6
I thought we in the west were against such attacks that harms civilians first and foremost? The regime obviously have diesel generators at hand. The everyday guy in the streets don't. Don't be Putin.
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Intoxicating_Piss_696 days ago
+54
Anybody here want to explain how this isn't a warcrime?
I know we all hate Iran, but warcrimes are still warcrimes are they not?
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Comrade_Durge6 days ago
+37
Russia commits war crimes everyday dozens of times in Ukraine? Does anyone care?
The international law went down the drain in February 2022, it's not coming back. Big war incoming and hopefully most of us will be able to see it through
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Aggravating-Neat17686 days ago
+3
That first line of your has gotta be some kind of fallacy lol. I do agree with your big war statement though.
3
Creatret6 days ago
+17
And what happens to countries that commit war crimes? Nothing.
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No_Huckleberry27116 days ago
+5
All is fair in love and war, i guess
5
Weird_Priority_91196 days ago
+40
Israel waiting for approval? That's hilarious.
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phxees6 days ago
+27
It’s a war crime, as it will be an attack on civilians, but war crimes don’t count in this war, so they are just looking for cover.
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MrKuub6 days ago
+23
Netanyahu is already a wanted man on that front, why would he care.
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phxees6 days ago
+4
Guessing people under him may care, especially knowing that Trump and Hegseth will easily say “go for it”.
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MrKuub6 days ago
+8
If those under him would, they’re a little late to that party.
Realistically, Israel is waiting because they’re assessing whether this is worth losing everything over. Iran will strike their energy and desalination plants back almost instantly. Plunging them in the same darkness as they hope to drop Iran in.
Its M.A.D. Jim, but not as we know it.
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phxees6 days ago
+3
There’s a lot going on, but they also want permission because they already hit an oil storage facilities and refineries and the US got upset. My guess is this facility is iffy for multiple reasons.
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rapsin6win6 days ago
+19
Why does it always seem like Israel is salivating the plunge the world into darkness.
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DependentIce93156 days ago
+39
Israel making it really difficult for people to defend against conspiracy theories when they seemingly just treat them like a playbook
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brownekey306 days ago
+8
The entire Middle East desalination will be wiped out
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vossmanspal6 days ago
+5
And after that, Iran or their proxies would still hold the straits to ransom.
5
MoreCoffee7296 days ago
+3
You mean the attacks that would be war crimes?
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CipherWeaver6 days ago
+22
How is deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure not a war crime?
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gwarrior56 days ago
+26
It clearly is. Have you seen Gaza? War crimes are where it’s at these days
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Brambletail6 days ago
+4
If it serves a military purpose and the civilian harm is proportional to the military strategic value, it is not. If the civilian harm is greater than "proportional", it is a war crime.
Pretty hard to see how energy infrastructure can be threaded as "proportional" though. Desalination plants I think are genuinely impossible to justify, power infrastructure is very much in that grey zone that the ICC will spend years parsing out.
4
GreenSouth36 days ago
+6
it is !
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GingerSnapSurprise6 days ago
+8
Of course they are - Iran has been the most significant, perceived or real, threat to Israel for decades. And for a person like Bibi, the weakness of this US administration is better than he could have hoped for. Not only is the US supplying Bibi with arms/funds to continue his own war of distraction, but the US is volunteering to do much of the work themselves.
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reshp26 days ago
+9
Can we, like, just tell israel to f*** off for once?
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Lord-Glorfindel6 days ago
+3
Why wait when they've probably already instructed the U.S. government that they will accept?
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muffman816 days ago
+3
The United States must withdraw from this situation and allow Israel to handle it independently. Regardless of the outcome, it is solely their responsibility. They deceived our uninformed president into assisting them, but we have reached our limit.
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burvurdurlurv6 days ago
+3
“Is your president alive, he isn’t responding on grindr”
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billtipp6 days ago
+3
Vance won't give go-ahead!
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starfire10K6 days ago
+3
If Iranian energy sites are attacked, the GCC countries energy sites will be on fire and oil prices will go to the moon = global recession.
I am sure the genius at white house has this all planned out.
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falsekoala6 days ago
+3
Israel waiting to commit war crimes, waits us approval of war crimes.
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Arashi_Uzukaze6 days ago
+3
I'd bet they'd go through with it even if they were told not to.
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Clearwatercress696 days ago
+3
The US waiting for green light from Israel to give green light to Israel.
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Kwelikinz6 days ago
+3
Isn’t that special, Israel is waiting for the US … riiiiiight.
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RazzmatazzSuch74596 days ago
+43
Israel needs regime change more than any of these other countries. Israel is the destabilization in the middle east. There will never be “peace in the middle east” unless their terrorist leader is removed. Israel and the US are the biggest sponsors of state led terror in the world.
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Tim_vdB36 days ago
+16
I have no love for most middle eastern countries but f*** Israël and the US if they go trough with this.
Iran will retaliate with this attack to energy and water sites around the region because they have nothing to lose.
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richardathome6 days ago
+16
Welp, say goodbye to your critical desalination infrastructure Israel >.<
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seclifered6 days ago
+5
The US is letting Iran oil tankers deliver oil to keep prices down. Lifted both Iran and Russia sanctions so oil prices are lower.
Also Israel has already hit multiple energy sites because their goal is not the same as ours
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Coffee_Transfusion6 days ago
+10
Please, don’t.
Put a leash on Israel. They’re insane.
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000TheEntity0006 days ago
+4
so green lighting war crimes publicly? Sure, why not? it's not as if things like laws, morals , diplomacy and tact exist anymore on this godforsaken rock
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cbowers6 days ago
+4
US and Israel seem so certain of their immunity to F around and not find out. Even after an escalating indication not to be so certain of themselves or Iran.
Between the aircraft and ship damage which continues…
To them threatening Iran’s desalination 5 days ago and then attacking and shutting one down… even after it’s been talked about with both warnings and Iran forces toward a gulf desalination plant…
Shock then that Iran retaliates with a desalination plant attack on Kuwait.
Worse… we and the US are rightly disturbed at Russia hitting commercial nuclear power generation. And then the US starts doing the same…
It’s unfortunate Israel and the US seem heck bent on self discovering that pride goes before a fall (not that Iran isn’t that far behind either on that point).
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Loud_Tank_50746 days ago
+8
Well they are experts in bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure.
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eggnogui6 days ago
+2
Sure they are. More like doing through the steps of pretending they don't have the US as their slave.
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Life-is-beautiful-6 days ago
+2
Every one feeling the sunk cost fallacy. I want my tax dollars to be used for better and progressive things.
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TwoColdBeers6 days ago
+2
Where does this end? The big N word?
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Remote-Ad-26866 days ago
+2
Yeah go ahead and destroy 20% of the petrodollar infrastructure and create a gigantic humanitarian disaster … go ahead
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vodka_twinkie6 days ago
+2
Someone competent reeeeallllly needs to take one for the team.
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tony-toon156 days ago
+2
Trumps going to be like the joker on that giant pile of money soon
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HettySwollocks6 days ago
+2
Could they not.
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BOPSurfcasting6 days ago
+2
I'm guessing that will be what Trump's 48 hour deadline is about. They're going to hit their power grid. Iran will retaliate by hitting gulf countries power grids.
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TheDecepticonIdeal6 days ago
+2
They do this, then Iran levels the energy infrastructure of GCC countries :(
Trump’s got till Tuesday until markets reopen, and it looks like he’s getting desperate.
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BioAnagram6 days ago
+2
Russia has been bombing Ukrainian energy sites for years and years, usually during the winter, the net effect has been to make Ukraine hate Russia more and fight harder.
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PicaDiet6 days ago
+2
It's a couple of drunk college buddies out alone- the big tough guy and the little wiseass, both think they're hot shit.
This is the part where the little wiseass f***** throws a drink at a table full of angry sober guys, then ducks out of the way, thinking his big friend can take on the whole table. Their biggest problem is that the big tough drunk thinks he take them on all at once too. But in reality, he isn't really tough, he's just drunk. And he isn't all that big, he's just fat.
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Edmatador826 days ago
+2
I don’t understand this kind of hate… let live and let die…
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mindovermatter4216 days ago
+2
Like tomorrow on Easter Sunday. Anyone doubt that tomorrow is first choice. Trump having health issues might mess with the decision though.
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IceMysterious30566 days ago
+5
Bet Iran is also prepared to retaliate...anyway, we feel safe at home judging what's happening over there.
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