Israel strikes Lebanon without pause, EU sanctions and suspension of the Association Agreement return to the table

Maybe you’ve never heard of Germany?

Needs to be pointed out that he lost because of economic sanctions from EU. They are a bit slow but not toothless. Will be a good lesson to whoever wants to plan something like this.

Germany is the biggest blocker when it comes to sanctioning Israel. Clearly many Germans have learned shit from their own history, they are now so afraid to be alled anti-semitic, they once more support another genocidal fascist, only because that fascist happens to be a Jew and so they think they need to side with him to make penance and seem to think that puts them on the right side of history this time.

You don't disarm people by giving them a fight for survival. Russia learned that the hard way.

They need to start arming Hizbullah.

There was a ceasefire. Israel broke it. 

Follow the f****** money straight back to Bibi. Hezbollah wouldn't exist without him.

Things didn't start on Oct 7, tho. Israel has been the aggressor pretty much since the country's foundation.

Well when one country has been trying to eradicate it's neighbors and half of it's own population since it was created it tends to make enemies.

Hezbollah has a right to defend itself.

Hezbollah didn't attack Israel for nearly 2 years until the assault on Iran... Israel was bombing Lebanon daily before that.

Omg you lots don’t ever get f****** tired???

Go watch some of the videos man. Israel is invading a sovereign country and taking out apartment blocks. They’re dropping white phosphorus. They’re not going after military targets they’re going after citizens. They’re f****** terrorists.

Are they thr EU's AIPAC?

Wow, I wasn't even aware of their existence. Now I really am. Thanks

Bibi's fraud trial is pushed off another 2 weeks for the Iran war.

I'm convinced Bibi let Oct 7 happen.  In Israel anytime there's a credible threat, hospitals across the country are warned in advance lest they need to relocate patients underground or respond to high demand. Israel received credible Intel from Egypt something was going to happen. Not a single hospital was informed and ready. that's tells you immediately they didn't follow their own practices and procedures in order to maximize the damage to Israeli civilians.  Just weeks prior, Bibi changed the Consitution to have more control over their supreme court. Many experienced IDF officers resigned in protest. So the ones least loyal to Bibi removed themselves ensuring only the more diehard remained. 

Didn't Israeli intelligence know ~~Hezbollah~~ Hamas was planning something and Bibi in response moved troops away from the border?

Popular opinion : they let it happen

Won't happen as long Germany is more afraid of Israel calling them antisemitic than anything else.

That makes no sense. It harmed the ruling coalition significantly and they didn't benefit much from killing the Gazans since they weren't allowed to actually kill enough at genocide levels

I'm surprised after the beeper stuff they can still attack.

That was Hezbollah, not Hamas.

That wasn’t an intelligence operation it was terrorism. Imagine the roles reversed, there would be a coalition to wipe out those that planted bombs in the pagers.

If Mossad were able to track Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, then there's no f****** way that they don't have intelligence that the October 7 attack was imminent unless the top brass did it on purpose.

Israel propped up Hamas for decades as a counter to the PLO and Fatah. 

I think it is less direct than that, but in general their policy is to provoke or humiliate, all of it aimed at triggering a reaction in order to have justifications, and go on. Before the date of Oct 7, and after the new government including the far-right came to power and faced massive protest movements (by israeli citizens), there were many killings of palestinians. The newspapers reported it was unprecedented. Then Oct 7 happened and it was a big justification.

There's too many coincidences making it suspicious indeed

Also very credible that he had the military actively kill hundreds of Israelis to get the numbers needed. 

I think that strategy ain't working anymore

Groups like those affiliated to the Al-Qassam Brigades who most likely participated in the October 7th attacks weren't exclusively Gazans.

Are you confusing the EU and the UN?

> What should Israel do about Hezbollah violating United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 (UNSCR 1701) for 18 years? Maybe Israel can stop violating UNSC Resolution 242 for 57 years, stop stealing land in the West Bank which is a violation of international law, stop violating the Genocide Convention, the Geneva convention and the list goes on and on and on with Israel voilating basically every international law in the book if Israel is not going to follow any laws then why are you crying about others? reap what you sow as you zionists love to say. > What about Hezbollah firing missiles at Israeli civilians? Israel can stop bombing everyone around them all the time and have been for decades, they can stop the genocide, stop stealing land, stop the oppression, stop the ethnic cleansing, stop interfering in other countries, stop arming proxy groups, stop being the aggressor... that'll stop the missiles you genocide defenders act like are fired for no reason at all. > Would any Western nation allow such a dynamic? "Western" nations only eh, classic bigotry and racism. And no other nation is currently an ethnonationalistic apartheid currently committing a genocide, ethnic cleansing, decades of oppression and all the war crimes that are too long to list. > Is it unreasonable to want Iranian terrorist proxies out of neighboring countries? Is it unreasonable to want Israel to stop being the terrorist to everyone in the region? Israel's actions directly caused all these proxy groups to form, Hezbollah literally formed in direct result of Israel's (and the US's) actions/war crimes during the Lebanon civil war. These groups didn't just appear cause Iran is funding/arming them, reality is not the hasbara fantasy land you live in. > Are you aware the formal Lebanese government is largely on board with taking out Hezbollah from the 10-15% they now control? the government that is refusing to let it's military defend it's people against Israel's aggression and invasion? the government basically propped up by the US/Israel and does their command? the government more concerned with making deals with Israel than protecting it's people? the government who does nothing when Israel attacks/bombs it's people? that government? also the quickest way to take out Hezbollah is if Israel left Lebanon alone and returned all the stolen land they now hold in "buffer zones" and whatnot. Hezbollah wouldn't exist if Israel stopped being a terrorist state attacking whenever it wants, massacring civilians and destroying entire towns. Same truth with Hamas, you want Hamas gone? then stop the genocide, stop the ethnic cleansing, release the Palestinians from the Gaza concentration camp, stop any blockade, return stolen land, reparations, but I digress.

Does this logic work the other way around as well? Or will you cry when the chickens come home to roost.

That was Hezbollah that launched missiles against civilian targets, not Lebanon. Hezbollah operates out of Lebanon, yes, but Hezbollah =/= Lebanon.

Has there been world peace like, since States are a thing? The Americas were relatively, comparatively, peaceful before 1492 but, for example, Europeans had always been at war with each other or the rest of the world. When they settled in the Americas they brought their wars with them, also brutal slavery and genocidal efforts.

Israel occupied south Lebanon for 20 years and zero settlements were built. Nobody says Lebanon is part of Israel.

I expect them to behave like adults who know how to set boundaries, but Israel gotta push them everywhere.

Thank you for the clarification, there is so much happening so far by so many people, it's been hard to keep up fully.

Civilians sadly are hurt when you fight a militia that operates from and relies on civilian areas and communities

Hezbollah you mean?  If it reduces their troops, support and arms, definitely does

They do. What they can't do however is do anything against the other terror organziation, Israel

They are as I note above

How do you propose fighting terrorist organizations that as a fundamental strategy use civilians as human shields knowing they will be killed so that their desths can be used as PR props?

Israel don’t support terror or kill there own people. They are the little guy defending themselves

Yes your right I take that back hezbollah in Lebanon