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General Mar 25, 2026 at 4:51 PM

Israel used white phosphorus to scorch earth in south Lebanon, researcher says

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-south-lebanon-researchers

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Imaginary-Ad-7919 Mar 25, 2026 +8321
It is very hard to call it "defense" when the tactics look like they’re designed to leave nothing standing.
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3uphoric-Departure Mar 25, 2026 +3927
also the fact they’re invading another country
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dudewithmoobs Mar 25, 2026 +1961
And apparently claiming roughly 10% of the other countries' land mass for..... "defensive purposes"....?
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Schmooto Mar 25, 2026 +847
If they want buffer zone, build it inside Israel.
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Traditional_Sign4941 Mar 25, 2026 +439
No no. I want a fence with a nice hedge row in front to hide the ugliness of the fence, but I don't want to lose yard space. So I'm going to build it on my neighbor's property. I'm entitled to do that for reasons.
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MsBlackSox Mar 25, 2026 +64
But you'll want a second shrubbery, next to your hedge, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle...
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Schmooto Mar 25, 2026 +22
r/UnexpectedMontyPython
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Blochamolesauce Mar 26, 2026 +18
Then you must cut down the tallest tree in the forest wiiiiiiiiiiiith……. A HERRING!
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Zetsu04 Mar 25, 2026 +194
The reason is because that land was promised 2866483862 years ago
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RandomStuffGenerator Mar 25, 2026 +114
By a burning bush
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Least-Worth-8634 Mar 25, 2026 +33
You're gonna get some burning bushes on our property line if you plant those, better hope that is a chain link fence
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eyesayuhh Mar 26, 2026 +38
Christian zionist literally think they're "blessing" Israel by letting them be a genocidal state.
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pasatroj Mar 25, 2026 +22
They have also done this in Syria and occupy the highest mountain that just happens to be in Artillery range of Damascus.
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Carrenal Mar 26, 2026 +13
And is the water source for the area.
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splendiferous-finch_ Mar 25, 2026 +53
That's anti semitism according to thier government
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Halsfield Mar 26, 2026 +29
according to the US government too
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Happythejuggler Mar 26, 2026 +7
But they need the room to expand, living space if you will.
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non_Beneficial-Wind Mar 25, 2026 +4
Build it between those ears of Benny Nincapoop
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Littlepriapus Mar 25, 2026 +263
I wonder if there's a german word for that
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ProjectKARYA Mar 25, 2026 +181
*Lebensraum*, I believe
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Availabla Mar 25, 2026 +69
Anschluss. Germany needs that part of Czechoslovakia for security and defense, you see.
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NYCinPGH Mar 25, 2026 +43
Anschluss was Austria, not Czechoslovakia.
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ProjectKARYA Mar 25, 2026 +25
Also, Germany at least tried to argue that the Austrians and Czechoslovak Germans were part of the "in group". You don't exactly see Israel trying to argue that it's for the good of Israelis/Jewish people in these other occupied areas, more so that it's for the good of the people of Israel alone. Almost as if they're trying to make room for people as they see fit...making a "living space", as it were.
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AlexandriasFolly Mar 25, 2026 +94
There really is little to no daylight between Lebensraum, Zionism, and Manifest Destiny. Same Nationalist colonialism, different hat.
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Limesnlemons Mar 25, 2026 +50
Illegale Landnahme. Or Eroberungsfeldzug. That’s a personal preference then.
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admosquad Mar 25, 2026 +42
It’s only the beginning. Military threat from Iran has been helping keep Israel in check for decades.
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arestheblue Mar 25, 2026 +51
They need their living space. I believe some other regime made similar arguments.
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Queasy_Range8265 Mar 25, 2026 +122
And killing and starving women and children. What was the definition of pure evil again?
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HoopaDunka Mar 26, 2026 +18
Don’t forget the raping and beating 
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Optimal_Beyond_1600 Mar 25, 2026 +120
You know when you just need to break into your neighbor’s home for self defense
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EarthenEyes Mar 25, 2026 +22
Wasn't Gaza a country? If it was, then this is twice in a row.. Reminds me of Nazi Germany.. does that make the US Fascist Italy in this regard?
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Lirael_Gold Mar 25, 2026 +56
This isn't even the 3rd time that the IDF have invaded Lebanon Not to mention the Golan Heights, or the current "security zone" they seized in Syria at the end of the recent civil war.
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EarthenEyes Mar 25, 2026 +457
Isreal has already flat-out said, in regards to those in Gaza, that they are animals, and shall be put down as such. Isreal is a terrorist nation that views others as less than them.
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Broken_Reality Mar 25, 2026 +126
When you look at the origins of Zionism and how they thought of other jews then it starts to make a very sick sense.
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New-Respond8154 Mar 26, 2026 +34
They call americans dogs too,even though we've given them trillions over last 80 years. Should have gone to Americans 
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Silent-Act191 Mar 26, 2026 +18
Well you're very loyal attack dogs, so that's true.
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Vallkyrie Mar 26, 2026 +33
They also openly state that their goal is to conquer the entire middle east, they have their sights set on places like Egypt and Turkey. Their politicians openly state they want to glass their neighbors on live TV, their citizens state the same claims as well. Rogue terror state. If any other nation had been doing this in the region, the U.S would have invaded it decades ago.
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DoomguyFemboi Mar 26, 2026 +26
They're murderous genocidal monsters.
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Typical_Response6444 Mar 25, 2026 +10
I mean they literally said yesterday that there will nowhere for the displaced to return to
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TheRealTexasGovernor Mar 25, 2026 +60
"this is my self defence war crime"
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RoyalT663 Mar 25, 2026 +26
This has been Bibi's dream for 40 years, he said it on record. Man has no intention of stopping.
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Otherwise_Stable_925 Mar 25, 2026 +65
This is literally a war crime outlined in the Geneva convention.
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Silent-Act191 Mar 26, 2026 +12
Israel: "Oh the Geneva Bucketlist?"
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Golddustofawoman Mar 25, 2026 +6
White phosphorus is also extremely toxic. Look up phossy jaw.
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Sad_Locksmith_2904 Mar 25, 2026 +26
It’s very essential to Israel’s defense that they get to go scorched earth and murder any civilians they come across, if you don’t accept this you are an antisemite.
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NextAd7514 Mar 25, 2026 +4
The only people believing its self defense are dense conservative voters. Republicans know it isnt self defense but also know they can just tell their voters anything
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TrevorBo Mar 26, 2026 +4
Israel’s whole existence at this point is based in retribution and cruelty.
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Illustrious-Dot-5052 Mar 26, 2026 +5
It's easy to call it "defense" when the rest of the world just lets you say and do whatever you want.
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ailish Mar 25, 2026 +22
But muh buffer zone!
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AmazingSpacePelican Mar 25, 2026 +5
They'd salt the earth if they didn't intend to steal it later down the line.
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Darkside_Hero Mar 25, 2026 +4
Southern Lebanon was promised to them 5,000 years ago, much like the rest of Greater Israel.
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badcrass Mar 26, 2026 +2
It's tactics when you're the good guy. It's terrorism when you're the bad guy. It's just optics.
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stoner_woodcrafter Mar 26, 2026 +2
100% truth! "IDF" my ass, they are Israhelli OFFENSIVE forces, IOF, to say the least about this terrorist organization
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Indercarnive Mar 25, 2026 +5550
The crazy thing is Israel's military doesn't need to do this shit. They're far better trained and equipped than Lebanon's army or Hezbollah. They just commit war crimes because they want to. For the love of the game.
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PatchyWhiskers Mar 25, 2026 +1580
They are trying to scare people with shows of overwhelming force. It's not really working the way they think it will. Macho idiots always think that scaring people will force compliance, but it just makes you hated.
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dorkofthepolisci Mar 25, 2026 +456
They’ve forgotten that as much as might makes right, public opinion is equally as important….and they’re not doing so well in the PR department. Tbf they were already doing pretty poorly, but occupying a sovereign nation state and using white phosphorus is unlikely to *improve public perception*
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onarainyafternoon Mar 25, 2026 +377
I genuinely think Israel has underestimated the backlash to them amongst the American people. They have taken for granted how much America does for them, and how much stuff we provide to them. And now, most Americans under the age of 30 disapprove of them as a state because of their actions in Gaza; this is regardless of political affiliation. They have completely fucked their future by souring the American people. Iran, and now Lebanon, was just the cherry on top. Now Americans have seen that they basically bullied us into the Iran conflict (to be clear, Trump and his admin are ultimately at fault for their own actions. I'm not intending to shift responsibility away from them). But there is a reason that Marco Rubio came out shortly after the invasion, and said that Israel was going to strike Iran no matter what we wanted; so it was either help them, or let them flounder. I think this really showed how much our foreign policy is tied up with what Israel wants, and that has left a lot of Americans feeling betrayed and helpless.
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Money_Do_2 Mar 25, 2026 +155
The youth disapproval is why theyre accelerating the aggression. Its now, or never, if they lose backing Theyre trying to build greater Israel before Trump is out of office
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AssassinAragorn Mar 26, 2026 +63
I've found that a lot of modern day villains haven't figured out an answer for "And then what?" * You've stolen land from your neighbors and expanded your country. Now what? You've made enemies of your neighbors for decades, your biggest ally no longer wants anything to do with you, and you have to defend against insurgent attacks from rebel groups. What did you gain? * You've fully implemented Project 2025 and the US is a shit hole and you've made untold amounts of money. Now what? It's easy to break things, it's hard to maintain them. And you broke the things that helped maintain everything. How do you keep the people placated and hold onto power? What's stopping a massive surge of opposition from undoing everything? * You've squeezed out every possible profit from your company and laid off loyal employees. You've maximized quarterly gains for so long that the long term health of the company has plummeted. Your assets are worthless and you can't find a buyer. What have you won? It's a very common trait with the psychopaths these days that they haven't thought out the long term, and it will be their complete undoing.
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LittleGreenSoldier Mar 26, 2026 +45
These guys are all in their 70s and 80s. They don't need to think about what happens next, as long as they get their hit of dopamine right now.
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InfinityTuna Mar 26, 2026 +8
Not all of them. A lot of the people behind P25 are below 50 and have their names publically attached to these plans, acting as if the US will just submit to their bullshit indefinitely and that list won't make them targets for social and legal consequences down the line. The DOGE boys have the next 50+ years to be given shit for what they did and the hundreds of thousands of lives lost as a result, as they deserve. Lots of the IDF soldiers currently committing war crimes (and regular Israelis participating in Pogroms, often without masks) are in their 20s to 40s - they'll absolutely live to see what happens, when the world leaves Israel to suffer the consequences of its own cruelty at the hands of its neighbors. The executive class propping up these evil CEOs are full of sprightly 30-somethings with MBAs, who think they won't be the suckers holding the bag, when it all comes crashing down. For every old, rich psychopath, who will probably not get the punishment they deserve, there's armies of complicit little psychopath followers, who 100% will live to have to worry about the "What then?" - and they're so busy being assholes, they haven't considered how this will shake out for them 10, 20, 30, 50 years from now, at all.
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IamTheEndOfReddit Mar 25, 2026 +168
They dont have to care what people think if they own the politicians
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Yakassa Mar 25, 2026 +48
Indeed and the greasing of palms is done all in [The Open](https://www.opensecrets.org/)
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Spire_Citron Mar 26, 2026 +5
That isn't without its limits. It would take a lot more money to be worth it if it's going to massively cost you with voters.
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WeAlmostAlwaysAlmost Mar 26, 2026 +5
That’s great in theory but the majority of politicians in both parties seem perfectly content to just back Israel no matter what horrific shit they get up to. No, I’m not saying both parties are the same, but I am saying most politicians in both parties seem beholden to the interests of Israel for some reason.
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billytheskidd Mar 26, 2026 +2
True but we’re leading into midterms and more and more people are looking to vote in representatives that have not taken money from groups like AIPAC.
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shred-i-knight Mar 25, 2026 +39
Disapprove is too light of a word. They are making themselves a pariah state
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Alternative-Chef-340 Mar 25, 2026 +14
And we are following them into pariah status.
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Scary_Outside2374 Mar 25, 2026 +21
It's because the fascists will not have to give up power. Our last real presidential election has passed, and it wasn't the most recent one.
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Crepo Mar 26, 2026 +7
The American people ain't gonna do shit, mark my words. This is nothing new and they are the most selfish people on Earth.
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Theduckisback Mar 25, 2026 +55
I think based on their conduct and their purchase of both major US parties, they have run the numbers and decided that PR doesn't matter nearly as much as power. Thats not to say that no one on their side is concerned with it, just that they feel that it's manageable through media consolidation and censorship. And they may be right, for now. On a long enough timeline though, it could get so bad that taking AIPAC and JStreet money isn't worth it for most candidates anymore. And then they're really screwed.
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Punman_5 Mar 25, 2026 +26
Eh public opinion can only go so far. No amount of protests can defeat an army willing to shoot protesters.
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youneedsomemilk23 Mar 25, 2026 +8
I've arrived to this place and hope to be wrong but I have lost hope that "optics" or "public opinion" will be of material importance.
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Kjartanski Mar 25, 2026 +8
Yes they can, but then they are called armed revolutionaries that overthrew the government
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Luna__Moonkitty Mar 25, 2026 +15
Look at how much they panicked when one CEO was offed
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Override9636 Mar 25, 2026 +18
Public perception really only matters in a democracy...
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purplenapalm Mar 25, 2026 +27
Theyre creating new generations of hatred both nearby and afar. I used to support Israel until I became more educated on the conflict and learned that the Arab Israeli conflict was a sad conflict consisting of atrocities committed by both sides that, until they could both admit it, it would never end. After the recent genocide in Gaza and what they're doing they've gone way beyond the pale. They used to act in defense and go back to their borders. Now they're seizing and holding land. Theyre disgusting.
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Mescallan Mar 26, 2026 +6
Happy cake day! And yes I am right there with you. I moved to Israel in my 20s for work only vaguely knowing the conflict. I did a bunch of volunteer work for Palestinian development orgs and decided I need to find another country after I got a better idea of what was happening. I still have a huge amount of love for Israel and both Palestinians and Israelis in general, but the way the current Israeli gov is handling things is terrible and not sustainable long term and I can't support it
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kaisadilla_ Mar 26, 2026 +10
They are also religious zealots that believe they are superior to the people they are conquering. Israel's list of brutalities against Palestinians is endless and staggering - and the Lebanese are not gonna be any different to them. In their mind, the holy land is infested with Arabs that they need to get rid of. The most radical part of Israeli society would happily start their own Holocaust if they thought they could get away with it.
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ImportantObjective45 Mar 25, 2026 +38
WWII bombing Hamburg increased factory production since people didnt support the war but wanted to live.
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xdr567 Mar 25, 2026 +12
Honestly their cheerleaders, financiers and warmongers in various countries in the west have never paid any price for manipulating the governments of those countries to support these vile crimes. That is the foremost thing that needs to change and needs to change drastically.
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demeschor Mar 25, 2026 +5
Fair point, the world has been watching the most awful scenes come out of Gaza for the last couple of years and quite frankly if that doesn't scare your opponent off, I imagine there's very little other tactics that will work for you
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Jimmy_Trivette Mar 25, 2026 +6
They are trying to ~~scare people~~ start another genocide
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SuperVaderMinion Mar 25, 2026 +169
I know that Israel has been doing awful things for a long time, but it really feels like October 7th made them completely, irrationally bloodthirsty. There's a particular brand of performative cruelty to their actions since then that I can't really comprehend.
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Faux-Foe Mar 25, 2026 +265
Oct-7 gave them (in their minds) an excuse. The events of that day did not cause a sudden personality change. It allowed them to be the worst versions of themselves.
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RadChef Mar 25, 2026 +46
It was their excuse but also relieved pressure from the press and western leaders. That’s when the whole “Israel has a right to defend itself” line was parroted by every media figure and leader. That’s also when they ramped up the weaponization of claiming antisemitism, anyone and everyone who criticized Israel was suddenly an antisemite and pro terrorist.
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haoxinly Mar 25, 2026 +16
It gave them an excuse and seeing how much they got away they learned that they could keep doing it
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uncleawesome Mar 26, 2026 +9
That’s why they let it happen.
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Nosiege Mar 26, 2026 +8
Surely everything else they claim to have so much intel on, they knew of Oct 7, and they just let it occur, specifically for this.
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LintQueen11 Mar 25, 2026 +105
They’ve been doing that for decades. We’re only more privy to it now because of social media and the visibility
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sptrstmenwpls Mar 25, 2026 +22
And b/c ppl have disposed of the bullshit narrative that any criticism of Israeli war-crimes is "anti-semitism" and seem to feel freer to call it as it is.
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Final-Language7378 Mar 25, 2026 +120
They’ve always been this way, they were able to suppress any voices opposing them until very recently. People were losing their jobs for even mentioning Palestinians even at the start of the war.
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Last_Fix_9764 Mar 25, 2026 +56
Yeah I have been following the conflict since at least 2010 and have read a good amount of the history. In the past they've attached Palestinian children to their trucks as they perform operations as quite literally "human shields" there are even pictures of these you can search online there are a number of "famous" ones that did not really make it into western media/spheres because most people were uninterested. 2006 war with Lebanon coined the term "Dahye doctrine" because Israeli policy literally was "if we bomb the living hell out of civilian neighborhoods, popular opinion will turn against these militants." They also repeatedly used white phopshorus in prior engagements like in Gaza. They performed "sexual violence" acts like stripping prisoners naked, spitting and urinating on them, and raping prisoners. Pre-October 7th they would just randomly strike Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and rarely Iraq and it never made major headlines. "Hamas official killed" or "Hezbollah militant killed" etc. without really any pretext and many women and children dying in those strikes. They never really "bombed" West Bank, probably because long term they want the WB to just be more settlements. Those are the US's greatest allies :;)
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kaisadilla_ Mar 26, 2026 +17
They don't bomb the West Bank but ~82% of it is fully or partially occupied by Israel - and it's not a "west / east" or "north / south" divide. Palestinians live packed in cities and all the ground around that city is controlled by Israel and they need permits to enter there - in practice turning their cities into open prisons. Every time Israel wants to annex a piece of the West Bank, they'll make up some bullshit excuse as to why Palestinian homes there are "illegal", tear them down and deport the Palestinians. And that's the good ending, because the bad ending is when an Israeli settler decides they want to settle where some Palestinian family lives so he murders them and takes their estate with zero legal consequences. If Israel wasn't Israel they would be North Korea levels of pariah state. South Africa didn't dare to go half as far as Israel routinely does and they were untouchable in the 80s and 90s.
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jdvfx Mar 25, 2026 +21
The giant D9 bulldozers they use to destroy Palestinian homes have slat armor, can be mounted with gun and grenade launchers, and many are now remote controlled. They are built by Caterpillar.
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kaisadilla_ Mar 26, 2026 +5
The only thing that has changed after October 7 is the scale of what they do. They've been treating Palestinians and Arabs like this for decades.
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adilp Mar 25, 2026 +31
They have always been doing this for decades. Tik tok caught them by surprise. It's why Bibi said it's the most important weapon. They have been surpressing their cruelty to Americans via media control.
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ISIPropaganda Mar 26, 2026 +9
It’s also why they have massive amounts of “influencers” on their payroll, and why Trump pushed the TikTok deal through so hastily. They need to control the narrative, and they’re desperate to do so. Right wing and left wing Americans are turning against Israel, and the sentiment is only growing, and rightfully so.
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Secret-Chapter-712 Mar 25, 2026 +11
Social media arguably made all of us worse. There are decades of similar actions, well-documented, but this time there were also IDF troops taking selfies/shooting video and uploading the evidence in real-time to social media. 
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WebbityWebbs Mar 25, 2026 +10
Its nothing new, its just that they are more open about it.
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ManBearHybrid Mar 25, 2026 +34
This is why religious wars are so dangerous. If you believe God is on your side in a conflict, then brutality inflicted on your enemy will not only be seen as warranted, it will be righteous.
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macnbloo Mar 26, 2026 +8
Even with Oct 7, Palestinian resistance has been minimal when you look at casualty numbers on both sides while Israel routinely killed hundreds and thousands and detained and tortured tens of thousands of Palestinians often without crime or charge. This is more a crusade than a religious war. On the Palestinian side they just don't want to lose their homes they've been living on for centuries. It's not about their religion because it's the same for Christian and Muslim Palestinians. On Israel's side God promised them the land thousands of years ago so they have a right to remove whoever lives there by force to steal the land.
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Waiting4Reccession Mar 26, 2026 +3
There was something on, maybe it was pbs or the france news 24, where they were showing how israel flies planes over the farmland of the poors and sprays herbicide to kill all their crops. edit: [Heres the story](https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260218-israel-spraying-herbicides-syrian-crops) I watched it on their youtube news channel though. Seems theyve done it in syria and lebanon
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MasterAenox Mar 25, 2026 +9
They treat the Geneva convention list of war crimes as a to-do list for the love of the game
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ph33randloathing Mar 25, 2026 +905
When they reboot the X-Men again in 2061, they can just make Magneto a Palestinian.
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Zestyclose-Jacket568 Mar 25, 2026 +271
I rather have them make new mutant Palestinian and Magneto saying something like "You and me, we are not so different. Different time, but same fate" or something like this. Acknowledgment of how Israel is new Nazi Germany.
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rockasocka99 Mar 25, 2026 +79
Magneto would be like 160 in this situation
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God_is_carnage Mar 25, 2026 +79
Yeah and Captain America would be older. It's comics, they've been keeping these characters young for decades. It's critical for Magneto to be a Holocaust survivor.
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Tommy_Divine Mar 26, 2026 +23
*Old age* is where you draw the line on the suspension of disbelief in a *comic book* about *mutants*?
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gwynnegr Mar 26, 2026 +16
He's been deaged like three times now. They can keep cranking those out no problem. 
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Zestyclose-Jacket568 Mar 25, 2026 +8
Make it take place in 2027 and he will be like only 90? Or give him some shit that made him younger/live longer. You could make that Palestinian mutant power, to heal and extend peoples lifes.
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SuperSpecialAwesome- Mar 26, 2026 +5
> he will be like only 90? He's young now due to Krakoa cloning + afterlife nonsense.
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thedrmadhatter Mar 25, 2026 +1384
War criminals gonna war criminal.
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Wide_Attention2614 Mar 25, 2026 +208
Say it louder for the boot lickers in the back
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ContributionUpper424 Mar 25, 2026 +1104
Isn't white phosphorus against international law to use? Israel has constantly used chemical weapons on civilians, yet no one has held them responsible.
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Legrandloup2 Mar 25, 2026 +513
That’s the issue in all of this, who’s going to hold them accountable?
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purplenapalm Mar 25, 2026 +171
China, the new adult on the world stage!
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CatastrophicPup2112 Mar 25, 2026 +111
Isn't China doing their own ethnic cleansings?
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CloudyTheDucky Mar 25, 2026 +60
there’s a lot of evidence that they’re doing a cultural genocide but most of the murder-genocide evidence is from a single source who isn’t fully reliable. still evil but on a lesser scale than what Israel is doing to gaza
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Dahcchad Mar 26, 2026 +41
I met with a few Uyghur immigrants who were detained in Chinas camps maybe 17 years ago who were in the US trying to raise awareness for the atrocities that were occurring. While enforced starvation back then was the real killer, many were killed outright. Ive heard nothing since to suggest that its gotten better. Im not sure why you think only a single source exists. The Uughur are verifiably being systematically destroyed (and have been for at least the past 20 years).
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NoPersimmon7434 Mar 26, 2026 +11
Some suspicious stuff happened to the Uyghurs during Covid, too.
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CatastrophicPup2112 Mar 25, 2026 +23
Yes, erasing a cultural identity through less violent means.
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Dull_Bid6002 Mar 26, 2026 +42
China isn't the adult, it's the older brother who is better at hiding the awful shit.
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_theRamenWithin Mar 25, 2026 +43
Who threatened to invade and destroy Taiwan just last week.
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chucktheninja Mar 25, 2026 +15
Remind me what their stance on the independent nation of Taiwan is?
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apxseemax Mar 26, 2026 +4
Definitely not Germany.  Bibi could napalm bomb half of Gaza and our Bundeskanzleramt would still find some fucked up reason to give a neutral comment or simply say nothing at all.
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King_Roberts_Bastard Mar 25, 2026 +16
Yes and no. There are legal uses for it. It can be used as a smoke screen for example.
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Not_Sure__Camacho Mar 26, 2026 +3
I mean the whole war is technically a smokescreen from Donald's and Netanyahu's criming....
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nomnivore1 Mar 25, 2026 +202
It's more complicated than that. My understanding is that using it as an obscurant, i.e, smoke, or for illumination is still within the bounds of international law but using its incendiary effects directly against soft targets is prohibited. Using the incendiary effects in order to damage materiel I'm not sure about but that sounds like it's probably legal.  People don't really understand what a war crime is, and a lot of the time they conflate conventions with international laws of war. Cluster munitions and landmines are a good example of that, several countries have signed treaties agreeing not to use them but you can't be tried at the hague for it. The US and Russia are, afaik, not signed onto either, but cluster munitions and landmines don't really find much of a place in US military doctrine anymore. 
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MildlyExtremeNY Mar 25, 2026 +12
>The US and Russia are, afaik, not signed onto either, but cluster munitions and landmines don't really find much of a place in US military doctrine anymore.  The US restricts their use of landmines to the DMZ in Korea. We asked for an exception to be put in the Ottawa Convention just for Korea, but the request was denied, and that's why we haven't signed.
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norbertus Mar 26, 2026 +7
You're right about white phosphorous, and the potential ambiguities of its use >On November 8, 2005, the national public broadcasting company of Italy, Radiotelevisione Italiana S.p.A. aired a documentary titled "Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre", which reported that the United States had used white phosphorus as a weapon in Fallujah, and which showed that insurgents and civilians had been killed or injured by chemical burns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah#Use_of_white_phosphorus_as_a_weapon The US still uses cluster bombs. >**It is unfortunate that the cluster bombs, the unexploded ones are the same color as the food packets.** We have dropped fliers that show the pictures and the proper language explain why you want to go to one and you don't want to go to the other. We hope that helps. Another thing we're doing is with the food packets is changing the color of their design. We're going to -- I think it's going to be blue. It obviously will take some time -- we're trying to figure out how long -- to change that color over, because there are many in the pipeline. They were probably yellow because they were very visible and people could see them lying around. The same for the cluster bombs. **Unfortunately, they get used to running to yellow** https://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/dod_brief67.asp
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bailtail Mar 25, 2026 +54
None of the US, Russia, Israel, or Iran signed the cluster munitions treaty. Anybody making a deal about them being used in this conflict doesn’t know what they’re talking about or, more likely, is knowingly pushing a narrative agenda.
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_uckt_ Mar 25, 2026 +84
People are allowed to be horrified by the use of cluster munitions. Laws are different from personal moral judgments.
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D3coupled Mar 25, 2026 +8
These people will justify anything that services their dismissal of any responsibility.
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RandSumWhere Mar 25, 2026 +34
The only appropriate reaction to seeing WP be used on a population is absolute horror and disgust. If you are trying to convince people that this is an overreaction, you are the one pushing the agenda.
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mrwobblekitten Mar 25, 2026 +7
Signing that treaty does not matter for them to be 'illegal'. Cluster munitions are controversial because you can't know where they end up- so you're indiscriminately targeting civilians by default. It's a Geneva convention thing, the treaty just helped with reducing use much like nukes or anti personnel mines. Problem is, like mines and nukes, they're incredibly effective
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Visual_Bathroom_6917 Mar 25, 2026 +28
What law? There is no international law because no one enforces it
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userhwon Mar 25, 2026 +7
No, and no they don't. It's legal to use it to create smokescreens, signaling, or illuminating a battlefield. It's prohibited to use it against troops or in crowded civilian areas. There have been rare reports of civilians being hurt by it, but it's not "constantly" by any means.
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Pave_Low Mar 26, 2026 +8
It is not. It's often sited by HRW that it is, but there isn't a treaty or law or anything that singles out WP. These articles are distractions and pot-stirring. With the amount of crimes Israel has committed we shouldn't be making them up. Dropping a smoke round over an open field is possibly the least awful thing Israel could do today.
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TiberiusCornelius Mar 25, 2026 +3
They actually aren't completely banned under international law, which is probably the grey area that's allowed Israel to get away with using white phosphorous munitions in Lebanon and Gaza for decades. Certain *types* of munitions or certain uses are prohibited, but it's not a blanket ban.
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Big-Compote-5483 Mar 25, 2026 +3
I remember a few years ago seeing a video with an international volunteer here in Ukraine fighting in the Kreminna forest talk about how guys would start carrying pistols. It was to quickly commit suicide if they happen to get rained on by white phosphorus. The stare he made describing the screams is something I won't forget. It's a truly evil weapon.
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Pave_Low Mar 26, 2026 +5
Incorrect, the Russians do not use WP as an incendiary. They use magnesium based weapons. Not sure who made that story up for you.
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quiplaam Mar 25, 2026 +52
No. If used for illumination or an an incendiary against military targets it is legal. Use against civilians is illegal, but so is every weapons. I am not sure why international media cares so much about it
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EfficiencyIVPickAx Mar 25, 2026 +15
That is incorrect, ignorant screeching from "progressives". The left is experimenting with Trump level, ignorant righteousness. This 'just asking questions' frame you used is straight out of the alt right playbook.
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SugarBeefs Mar 25, 2026 +19
You're not wrong and it's been incredibly depressing to see happen in real time. A lot of online progressives have turned more and more towards "BlueAnon" style rhetoric and 'alternative facts', outrage-maxxing everything along the way. It's a mirror image of how Trumpers first poisoned the well back in 2016
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rolypoly6shooter Mar 25, 2026 +2
Yes in populated areas.
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Riponai_Gaming Mar 25, 2026 +227
Ah yes, war crime wednesday is amazing
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TheUnicornCowboy Mar 25, 2026 +11
Just your daily reminder that Israel is a deeply evil nation.
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CaveDances Mar 25, 2026 +111
Israel has become a nation of genocidal maniacs. They have the full support of the U.S. government.
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dustmanrocks Mar 25, 2026 +296
How anyone can defend Israel's actions at this point is beyond me.
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z0rb0r Mar 25, 2026 +71
They always play the victims and claim ANY criticism as anti-semitism.
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1865 Mar 25, 2026 +107
Totally agree, but they always have one defense that usually works: anyone who dares to criticize them is quickly and loudly condemned as an antisemite. That has been their convenient go-to defense/attack for years.
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iTzGiR Mar 25, 2026 +90
See I generally agree with everything you just said, outside of this last sentence that then does come off as legitimately a bit anti-semtic. > That has been their go-to defense/attack for thousands of years. Israel has not been around for "Thousands of years" (at least not in it's current form with its current problems/conflicts), so this just comes off as you trying to downplay historical claims of anti-semitism in general, which obviously are very real and aren't just some made-up defense. I do think this comment is almost a perfect example though, where yeah Israel is insane and claims EVERYTHING is anti-semtic, but also you have these weird trend of these anti-semitic adjacent conspiracy theories (Israel controls the world, Israel controls the media, many of the attacks on Israelis/Jewish people are inside jobs), or some of these weird, innacurate comments, that almost just feel like dog whistles, that just ALWAYS seem to pop up in response.
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lowbatteries Mar 25, 2026 +49
I see the person you responded to quietly took out the "thousands".
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exoriparian Mar 25, 2026 +27
Just to add, this is more or less how racism works generally, not just antisemitism.  State actors or just generally bad actors work as a representative for those who don't actively remind themselves to resist internal bias.  It is made much harder on people to do that when the bad actor is deliberately claiming to be that representative, such as the case with Zionist factors of Israel.
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I-LIKE-TOAST2 Mar 25, 2026 +25
They act like being called an antisemite is worse than being a murderer of innocent people. Brainwashed cunts
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Important_Expert_806 Mar 25, 2026 +9
There’s always an excuse. Just give it a day or two and our congressmen will let us know what AIPAC is telling them to say.
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kinotravels Mar 25, 2026 +143
And as usual there will be no consequences for Israel’s war crimes.
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Dejhavi Mar 25, 2026 +104
Again?: * [The Use Of White Phosphorus In Urban Environments](https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/white-phosphorus-in-urban-environments) (2013) * [Israel 'to stop using white phosphorus shells'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22310544) (2013) * [Lebanon: Evidence of Israel’s unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/) (2023) * [Israel used U.S.-supplied white phosphorus in Lebanon attack](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/12/11/israel-us-white-phosphorus-lebanon/) (2023) * [Lebanon: Israel’s White Phosphorous Use Risks Civilian Harm](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/06/05/lebanon-israels-white-phosphorous-use-risks-civilian-harm) (2024)
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Metacomet99 Mar 25, 2026 +142
Straight up war crime.
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RT-LAMP Mar 25, 2026 +22
White phosphorus is legal to use in war. It's legal as both a smoke munition and as an incendiary weapon. You are allowed to burn enemy soldiers to death per the Geneva conventions.
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Forsaken-Witch461 Mar 25, 2026 +172
Remember guys, it’s antisemitism to criticize them. They’re just defending themselves.. in a different country.. totally normal. Edit: omg this is sarcasm.
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Tra1lhawk19 Mar 25, 2026 +13
White phosphorus is a gray area, it is not against the Geneva Convention if you are using it as a smoke screen or on land, but it is against the Geneva convention if you’re using it against civilians. It should absolutely be banned in my opinion.
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Worldly_Anybody_9219 Mar 25, 2026 +84
They claim it's a Holy Land but then they utterly destroy it, even the olive trees in Palestinian lands. It doesn't make sense to me. The debris from all this must be causing massive pollution too.
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Zak_Rahman Mar 25, 2026 +30
They have lost the plot regarding their faith entirely. They replaced God with themselves. They can make any of their texts say anything they want. Their worst crimes are all always justified - as long as they win. It's pretty harrowing seeing all the injured cats and dogs in Gaza, and who knows how many species unique to that area have been totally wiped out? But because they are gods within their own mind, they think they can do whatever they like. The whole world will come to hate Israel with a ferocity that no one has seen before. Not because of their identity, but because of their own deeds and arrogance.
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ExtantRed Mar 25, 2026 +50
Beyond horrifying, use of that chemical is not only a war crime but cruel as well.
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RT-LAMP Mar 25, 2026 +33
> use of that chemical is not only a war crim White phosphorus is legal to use in war. It's legal as both a smoke munition and as an incendiary weapon. You are allowed to burn enemy soldiers to death per the Geneva conventions. You can use it as a smoke munition always though use of it as an incendiary weapon is restricted in urban areas per the convention.
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CatastrophicPup2112 Mar 25, 2026 +10
I mean the shelling civilians is definitely a war crime but there are uses of WP in warfare that aren't war crimes.
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jkman61494 Mar 26, 2026 +5
Who needs good land when you can out build new resorts on it amirite?!
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MichaelHunt009 Mar 25, 2026 +30
It was illegal when used by US in Falluga (shake & bake) and is still a war crime today.
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Space_Nerd_8999 Mar 26, 2026 +3
I am so glad we don’t have affordable healthcare, sound infrastructure, a good jobs market or a social safety net, so we could funnel all of our money to Israel. Remember your life is hard, so Israel can slaughter its neighbors.
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honey_graves Mar 26, 2026 +8
These people are evil
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1865 Mar 26, 2026 +3
....and that's an understatement.
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-watdahel Mar 26, 2026 +6
I thought Geneva Convention prohibited using gas weapons in war because it does not discriminate and easily migrates to unintended locations
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Hazelmygirl Mar 25, 2026 +9
Karma never forgets, and it’s going to be a b****.
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mrmrspersonguy1 Mar 25, 2026 +17
Oh look another war crime
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Alienhaslanded Mar 26, 2026 +8
The f*** did Lebanon do?
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FrizBFerret Mar 26, 2026 +8
"Israel used white phosphorus..." again.
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RalphInMyMouth Mar 25, 2026 +14
The country that effortlessly gets away with war crimes does more war crimes with the help of the US? This world is fucked
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Aromatic_Employ3392 Mar 25, 2026 +16
Oh look, another war crime
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This_Elk_1460 Mar 25, 2026 +12
Just undoubtedly the most evil f****** country on this planet yet my tax dollars continue to fund them for some f****** odd reason!
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an_older_meme Mar 26, 2026 +4
They’ve been doing it in Gaza as well. Over the heads of civilians it’s a war crime.
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Primary-Gazelle-8161 Mar 26, 2026 +4
Im Lebanese these top comments show the world is finally seeing the truth we knew for decades
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negativepositiv Mar 26, 2026 +4
I'm just picturing Netanyahu's usual, "So? F*** em" smirking response to this news.
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No_Complaint_2754 Mar 25, 2026 +4
Lessons not learned will be repeated
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Weedity Mar 25, 2026 +6
Not the first time they've used it, and they will continue to get away with it. Our world leaders are scared pathetic dogs.
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Dchama86 Mar 26, 2026 +6
Israel eats war crimes for breakfast it seems…
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Meme-Botto9001 Mar 26, 2026 +5
Another day another war crime from Israel…
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Knees0ck Mar 25, 2026 +9
Why does it take an invasion & white phosphorus for a "quick in & out rescue mission"?
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PudinaRaita Mar 25, 2026 +19
They killed 41 Lebanese people to rescue a dead body that had been there since the 80s just last week and turned out it wasn't even there.
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YaBoiMandatoryToms Mar 25, 2026 +9
Israel? War crimes? Never.
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throwwayacc00 Mar 25, 2026 +2
They did the same thing in neighbouring Syria.
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Aggravating-Eye-7167 Mar 25, 2026 +2
And they'll do it again and again cause what the f*** is anyone gonna do? No one's said shit before. "You not love Israel? Do not talk to us of rules you are Hamas."
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Dooth Mar 25, 2026 +2
“White phosphorus is a chemical substance dispersed in artillery shells, bombs and rockets that ignites when exposed to oxygen, burning at up to 800C and emitting large quantities of smoke” They’ve used it many times. The questionable legality comes from who/what they’re using it on. Civilians for example isn’t supposed to happen. Clearing forest or using it as smoke cover, yeah.
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zerosquare1012 Mar 26, 2026 +2
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0W0meLikey Mar 26, 2026 +2
why Israel attacking Lebanon? did we miss something?
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PentiumDos Mar 26, 2026 +2
> Spec Ops The Line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KSl_lMN7-c&t=805s Jacob Geller goes over the warcrimes of White Phospherous on his video game review on Spec Ops the Line. Cut to the part where he talks about in real life usage of White Phospherous in the GWOT.
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Forsaken_Hermit Mar 27, 2026 +2
Jesus Harold Christ on a pogo stick!
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Weird_Priority_9119 Mar 27, 2026 +2
Israel is afraid American millennials will put a stop to the gravy train, so they’re moving to take everything they want now. They’re probably right to be concerned, since around half of Republicans under 50 view them unfavorably.
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