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Patentsmatter May 7, 2026 +374

The gerund "negotiating" made me read "*while* negotiating".

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Reddit_Loves_Misinfo May 7, 2026 +172

A gerund is an -ing verb that is being used as a noun. "Negotiating" isn't a gerund in the headline. Example: The sentence "I like running" has a gerund, but "John is running" does not.

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amputeenager May 7, 2026 +12

/retired username

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Own-Dependent-4601 May 7, 2026 +476

the fact that ceasefire talks are happening at the same time these strikes continue is what makes the whole situation feel so hopeless sometimes PHEWW

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MudHammock May 7, 2026 +36

Ceasefire talks are always during a time of active war. What would be the point of a ceasefire if nobody is firing anything?

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actsfw May 7, 2026 +64

That's pretty normal for ceasefire negotiations.

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Arboreal_Web May 7, 2026 +16

If there was no bombing/shooting going on, there would be no need for “ceasefire talks”. 🧐

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Distinct_Cap_1418 May 7, 2026 +61

And Israel just killed the son of the negotiator. They obviously want this war to continue.

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HarshComputing May 7, 2026 +15

So your theory is less 'don't negotiate with terrorists' and more 'make sure you don't interrupt the rearming of terrorists or respond to their attacks during the negotiations'

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Optimal-Divide8574 May 7, 2026 +26

“ Israel says its strikes are aimed at thwarting attempts by Hamas and other Palestinian militants to stage attacks against its forces” Article says that Hamas disarming is a ‘sticking point’ in negotiations. Even though it’s obviously a key point of the ceasefire. Can you imagine trying to negotiate with Hamas? Of course it’s all Israel’s fault as confirmed by repeated rulings in the International Court of Listnook.

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Playgirl_USMC May 8, 2026 +1

Get the whole boot in there, past the tonsils

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m00fster May 8, 2026 +3

Yes it has always been Israel’s fault from the beginning. Even more relevant now

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Optimal-Divide8574 May 8, 2026 +2

Enjoy your orgiastic Jew hating. It may vent your frustration but it won’t heal your broken life.

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Aerostudents May 7, 2026 +14

I mean not to sound like a d***, but isn't that kind of the point of a ceasefire? If those strikes were not happening a ceasefire wouldn't be needed. Or am I misunderstanding? In any case, I hope they will reach a ceasefire soon so the suffering can stop.

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abadonn May 7, 2026 -4

Hamas is only negotiating because the applied pressure.

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UnusualFunction7567 May 7, 2026 +23

They’re **still** negotiating?

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s4nid May 7, 2026 +857

You know you can think Hamas is bad and killing people you are actively negotiating with is also bad? Thats's just the Israeli playbook I guess.

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Schmarsten1306 May 7, 2026 +324

Yeah, I don't have sympathy for them, but it sends a signal towards Hamas that there's no negotiating out of this. This will end in more and more bloodspill...

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OfftheGridAccount May 7, 2026 +199

Bloodshed keeps Netanyahu and his cronies in power though, that's exactly their game plan

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Big-Distance-80 May 7, 2026 +23

A salafist jihadist group won’t negotiate in good faith. Hamas has used child suicide bombers.

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sabamba0 May 7, 2026 +35

Hamas was never negotiating "out of this" after Oct 7th. The one goal was and is to remove them completely. Nothing changed

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Scagnettio May 7, 2026 +21

So why keep pretending. Just to bomb the negotiators? Sets a horrible president.

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MissPandaSloth May 7, 2026 +22

Pretending what? Israel wants Hamas either completely disarm themselves, which is magic scenario, or leaving Gaza, being replaced in other way.

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Good_Restaurant15 May 7, 2026 +29

The kid died because he is/was a soldier, in a war. He wasn't just hanging out at home, or out at a playground, and was assassinated. He was actively participating in a war. Don't want your kids to die in a war? Don't conscript them into one from birth (Not saying they all do, but this particular one, did).

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Big-Distance-80 May 7, 2026 +12

That isn’t what happened.

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Starfox-sf May 7, 2026 +12

Bloodshed

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susiedotwo May 7, 2026 +15

Tbf when there is bloodshed it typically spills on the ground.

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whoopercheesie May 7, 2026 +12

That's ok... Hamas sends that signal 90% of the time. Trust is a two way street

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FYoCouchEddie May 7, 2026 +82

According to [Israeli media reports](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-895388), Al-Hayya’s son wasn’t the target of the strike. A different Hamas member was the target, and he just happen to be nearby.

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Remivanputsch May 7, 2026 +78

Dang they seem to do that a lot

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FYoCouchEddie May 7, 2026 +24

Do what a lot? Kill Hamas members that are in the same room as each other? I guess.

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ThePickleConnoisseur May 7, 2026 +22

If you are in the same building not much you can do if you either really want the other guy or don’t know he’s there

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Big-Distance-80 May 7, 2026 +17

They guy who got killed died of natural causes. If you hang out with a bunch of Islamic extremists who throw grenades into shelters full of old people and kids, eventually your survival probability’s going to hit zero.

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BabaGurGur May 7, 2026 +84

You think Israel isn't actively tracking the son of a Hamas leader? Like.. this is his 4th child they've killed. They killed this guy's twin brother in September.

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FYoCouchEddie May 7, 2026 +15

> You think Israel isn't actively tracking the son of a Hamas leader? It took them over a year to find Hamas’s main leaders during the war. And there are a lot of Hamas leaders to try to find and track, each of whom have a lot of kids. So, no, it’s pretty silly to think they track the location at all times of every son of every Hamas leader. > Like.. this is his 4th child they've killed. The guy was an adult. > They killed this guy's twin brother in September. Yeah, affiliations among Palestinians tend to go by family. High ranking Hamas leaders’ family members are often less high ranking Hamas leaders.

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isaacfisher May 7, 2026 +47

To be fair, Hamas’s family employment policy is very lenient

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jgmu17 May 7, 2026 +47

But also it's extremely on brand for Israel to level an entire apartment complex to kill one suspected insurgent, for example

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GateDeep3282 May 7, 2026 +16

Child?

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Bear_Jew-42 May 7, 2026 +26

I’m sorry but this just isn’t how war works or has ever worked. The entire point of war is to enact violence to essentially improve your negotiating position. When the option of surrender is given, there is an implicit “or die” included with it. If you choose not to surrender then you’re risking the chance your enemy decides to kill you.

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NegevThunderstorm May 7, 2026 +4

Or you can also think taking terrorists out in any situation is good

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The_Question757 May 7, 2026 +3

whats the point of negotiations with hamas? they were supposed to disarm already and never did, this is just stalling for time. better to wipe them out.

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NegevThunderstorm May 7, 2026 +18

Good riddance

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Silverleaf_86 May 7, 2026 +47

How often do you see Hamas admit to losing any member? >An Israeli air strike has killed the son of Hamas' chief negotiator in U.S.-mediated talks over Gaza's future, a senior Hamas official said on Thursday They denied every one of their deaths for months, and now when it fits the narrative so well, they admit to it within a day? weird. I’d wait for more information but looks like the “Israel doesn’t want peace” bandwagon is already in route.

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willowdove01 May 7, 2026 +41

By all accounts he was a terrible person and leader, so can’t say I’m super broken up about it. That said, TERRIBLE coordination and planning, guys. Just… this is so painfully incompetent

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fury420 May 7, 2026 +47

The leader involved in negotiations was not killed, the article is about the death of his adult son, who is also reportedly in Hamas.

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Darkstar197 May 8, 2026 +2

Bibi knows what he’s doing. He doesn’t want peace

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Intrepid_Speech_1157 May 7, 2026 +218

I don't have sympathy for Hamas.

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Gold_Map_236 May 7, 2026 +515

Israel doing this makes negotiations more difficult. It’s almost as if they don’t actually want peace

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omniuni May 7, 2026 +86

Hamas has made it clear that if they rebuild they will just attack again. They are a terrorist government that led a slaughter of over 1000 civilians. There is no reason that they should be allowed to continue to remain in power.

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Little-Stage1948 May 7, 2026 +117

Wasn't the deal hamas was supposed to disarm by now? Have they?

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Bakedfresh420 May 7, 2026 +54

Yup our ceasefire proposal included a full disarming of Hamas. They accepted the ceasefire and then kept attacking Israel.

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Chilkoot May 7, 2026 +16

Are you implying that Hamas wants peace and/or is negotiating in good faith?

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Academic_Net6298 May 7, 2026 +8

If Palestine wants to end the war they started they can agree to begin disarming Hamas.

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theoceansknow May 7, 2026 +71

Israel doesn't have a policy of killing every Muslim and wiping them from the land. Hamas has a policy and objective of killing every Jew and wiping them from the land. You'd think that for peace talks to even *exist* then Hamas would have to drop that objective. That isn't exactly something someone can have "peace talks" about. *But you know this already*.

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theoceansknow May 7, 2026 +32

There's far-right elements in Israeli politics, yes. But the *entire spectrum* of visible Palestinian politics starts from a far-right position. That's the conclusion I've come to. I think any voices in Palestinian culture that are moderate -- let alone leftward, liberal, or progressive, are silenced with the threat of death. And I think that the longer Palestinian governance remains committed to far-right politics, it will invariably lead to a similar far-right force in Israel, as evidenced here. Ugh.

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Kalsto6 May 7, 2026 +9

It's just reality of war and violence. Israel was miraculously one of the most left leaning country after 1948 and fighting multiple defensive wars. They tried for every peace deal possible and even agreed to making Palestine a country, giving up land etc. But it was not enough because during that time Palestine came to be in control of the power and wealth hungry that can keep the grift going and accumulate hundreds of millions. After suicide bombings became common, Israel elected right wing party Likud and it has only gotten more right wing as violence increased. It's the same for every country that faces war, they elect who they think are strong and can provide safety. Netanyahu might go but Likud will most likely hold onto power.

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GateDeep3282 May 7, 2026 +36

Really? There's a couple million Muslims in Israel.

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rifleshooter May 7, 2026 +9

It's idiocy like this that makes having discussions on listnook pointless.

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ConfidenceUpbeat9784 May 8, 2026 +2

You do know that 20% of Israel's population are Palestinians, right? And a minority of Druze and other ethnic groups. And, this will come as a shock, the Israeli-Arabs (aka Palestinians) have full rights and are on the Knesset and supreme court. How astoundingly ignorant you are.

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High_King_Diablo May 8, 2026 +2

A drunk chicken could fool you.

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DDoubleDDog May 7, 2026 +55

Israel already made peace with 6 Arab countries. Obviously Israel wants peace. With Hamas, on the other hand, it's impossible to negotiate because they always break every deal and every ceasefire. Nobody should ever negotiate with terrorists.

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onarainyafternoon May 7, 2026 -8

Israel has been accused of breaking the ceasefire a bunch, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire > From the beginning of the implementation of the deal, Israel was consistently accused of violating it by killing Palestinians and hindering aid since the ceasefire came into effect.[11] Israel accused Hamas of violating the deal with delays in providing the names of hostages.

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NegevThunderstorm May 7, 2026 +5

What makes you think hamas wants peace? They are terrorists

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xmuskorx May 7, 2026 +7

Nope. The more Hamas is pressured - the easier it is for the negotiations

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StormWhich5629 May 7, 2026 +12

Literally the Gaza plan...

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Skeeter_206 May 7, 2026 +6

They don't want peace, they want the land and are willing to kill anyone and everyone necessary to acquire it. How f****** stupid do people need to be to see this

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neohellpoet May 8, 2026 +3

They had the land. The reason people give Israel the benefit of the doubt is because they returned what was at the time 2/3 of Israel to Egypt and they left Gaza with no preconditions. It's possible things are different now, but historical precedent says they absolutely do not want the land. Allegedly Egypt was again offered the option of taking Gaza back, as it was Egyptian territory up until the Israeli occupation, but just like in 2006, Egypt refused.

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Intrepid_Speech_1157 May 7, 2026 +15

Or is it because they keep getting attacked so they're making a bigger buffer zone

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Skeeter_206 May 7, 2026 +8

Lol yeah that's why they've openly discussed their plans for resorts on the Gaza strip

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ConfidenceUpbeat9784 May 8, 2026 +5

i too make my wholesale opinions about the U.S & its future motivations entirely based on what marjorie taylor green says as an ex-legislator and what stephen miller tries to do in his political position

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KynElwynn May 7, 2026 -5

And to Israel, every Palestine is Hamas, as we’ve seen for over a decade

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ConfidenceUpbeat9784 May 8, 2026 +5

quick someone tell the Palestinian gentleman who has been a presiding justice on israel's supreme court for half a decade that they plan on killing him imminently

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JoeTexTwoTeks May 7, 2026 +38

Because the negotiations have been going swimmingly up to this point. If you've kept informed on the negotiations, you'd know that this death will make no difference in how Hamas is going to handle the negotiations.

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Trikeree May 7, 2026 -4

Exactly. Hamas will be lieing terrorists no matter what. It's in their religion.

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Ecsta May 7, 2026 +13

Hamas ignores every peace/ceasefire/deal.

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NeXx0s May 7, 2026 +31

i mean they wanna take some more territory of Palestine and Lebanon while theyre at it

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Little-Stage1948 May 7, 2026 +19

Guess it was pretty stupid of hamas and Hezoballah to launch attacks from their then. Seems it's had the opposite of the intended affect

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HummusSwipper May 7, 2026 +6

What way of life was Hamas defending on October 7th? What way of life was Hezbollah defending on October 8th? You're making the wrong argument. No one is obsessing over Thailand and Mynmar fighting, or Pakistan-Afghanistan or literally any other active combat currently going on as much as you and others obsess about Israel & US. It's strictly Israel that isn't allowed to defend itself, as you've clearly showed with your misplaced criticism.

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lnth1 May 7, 2026 +11

Lebanon-Hezbollah was never attacked on Oct-8 2023 yet they attacked Israel for no reason anyway

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Banjoschmanjo May 7, 2026 +4

There*

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neohellpoet May 8, 2026 +3

They don't. The stated war goal has been the destruction of Hamas. Israel has the momentum and initiative in this war. They don't need talks to end it. They can just choose to finish it. A US equivalent would be Bush negotiating with Bin Laden to end the Afghan war. It's an absurd concert because the US was capable and ultimately did end the war unilaterally and a self declared pullback is infinitely more digestible for the home front than a negotiated peace.

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AkiStudios1 May 7, 2026 +8

Shouldn't even be negotiating anything with Hamas

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Khat_Force_1 May 7, 2026 +4

Hamas kept on f****** around for two decades and now they can find out for two decades.

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TheShruteFarmsCEO May 7, 2026 +9

It has nothing to do with sympathy. It has everything to do with Israel showing yet again that they have no real desire for peace…it’s all performative.

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Cemetary May 7, 2026 +6

Rubbish, there was 'peace' before October 7th and Israel had been out of Gaza since 2005 iirc. After October 7th Hamas has repeatedly stated they will do it again and again. They themselves say they will not stop until Israel is eradicated.

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TheFaster May 7, 2026 +3

Even the quickest glances at the history of the conflict shows that this is a blatant lie. Israel has been involved in dozens military actions against Gaza between 2004 and Oct 7, the latest of which being a series of airstrikes just months before October 7th that killed 14 Palestinian civilians and wounded over a hundred more.

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Kalsto6 May 7, 2026 +11

Now, let's talk about why those happened in the first place? Hamas was firing about 600 missiles/rockets every year since 2004. Just because Israel got the Iron Dome, no one even considers them getting attacked as any sign of violence. If you're faulting any one party in this conflict, you're just being biased.

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Mouthshitter May 7, 2026 +3

You think its ok too kill the negotiators? Seems counter productive. You rather just kill every Lebanese i assume

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PleaseStayStrong May 7, 2026 +10

Hamas has already violated the deal as they were suppose to begin disarming and then cease having any political positions which they have flat out refused to do. There is no point in negotiating anymore when they already violated one of the core aspects of the peace plan that was already agreed upon.

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Consistent_Rent_3507 May 7, 2026 +10

“Negotiating”. Hamas agreed to disarm and are reconstituting with Palestinian youth.

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TonyTheTerrible May 7, 2026 +18

Good, f*** Hamas throw them in with the rest of the refuse

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WearLong1317 May 7, 2026 +10

It is as if they are not interested in negotiating

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Kalsto6 May 7, 2026 +3

They'd only be interested in negotiating if Hamas completely disarms. Hamas will never do that as they've already rejected that. So it was already a failed concept from the start.

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DistanceToEmpty May 8, 2026 +4

I'm beginning to think that Israel may not want peace...

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xmuskorx May 7, 2026 -19

daily reminder that there Hamas has already agreed to disarm based on terms of the cease fire. they have been breaking this condition for more than a year now...

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EpicMediocre May 7, 2026 +231

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4vvxxg8lgo A two second Google to show Hamas rejecting disarmament.

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dem0nhunter May 7, 2026 +88

I mean, you’re both kinda right. Hamas agreed to the multi step deal which includes disarmament. But as soon as it gets that step they never do it.

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Brilliant-Emphasis43 May 7, 2026 +60

Seriously. People who smugly spread absolute b bullshit are the worst. “Daily reminder that…” - fuuuck offff

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Brilliant-Emphasis43 May 7, 2026 +37

Source for them agreeing to disarm?

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Significant-Bother49 May 7, 2026 +72

Daily reminder? You mean daily lie? Hamas has not agreed to disarm. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/19/world/middleeast/hamas-weapons-israel.html “Hamas is ready to relinquish thousands of automatic rifles and other weapons belonging to its police force and other internal security services in Gaza, according to two officials of the group…. …Experts estimate that Hamas’s military wing has many more weapons than its police force, including tens of thousands of automatic rifles and heavier weapons like anti-tank rockets. And it has resisted demands for full demilitarization of Gaza.”

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NegevThunderstorm May 7, 2026 +3

So why havent they sent in all their arms?

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xmuskorx May 7, 2026 +3

Because they are breaking the promise.

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JD0x0 May 7, 2026 +7

Yeah, probably disarming just like Hezbollah did in Lebanon where they handed in some junky small arms to pretend to disarm, and then kept all their legitimate weapons, then admitted to it.

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PixelsGoBoom May 7, 2026 +3

An "accident" for sure... I would not be surprised if Israel is actively trying to sabotage any peace plans, they have been waiting for an opportunity like this for a long time.

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Underwater_Karma May 7, 2026

That's how you negotiate with terrorists

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TwoButtons30 May 7, 2026 +2

which one?

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avidernis May 7, 2026

In looking for more information on the incident I found [this Maariv article](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/article-1318310) (Hebrew) featuring the following quote from a military official: >The son of Khalil al-Hayya is of no interest to us, and if he was hurt it's because he was somewhere he need not have been. If he was hurt it was not because of his familial connection, he is really not a character of any interest to us. I don't subscribe to the "You have to go after their families" philosophy with regard to terrorists, but if said family is hit incidentally as part of striking another target that is no grave injustice. Edit: Here's a [Jerusalem Post](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-895388) (English) article on the incident which cites the Maariv article

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blackmobius May 7, 2026 -6

If its not Trump trying to derail and sabotage these talks, its Israel.

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MajorMess May 7, 2026 +40

lol, because Hamas is so willing to make peace with the Jews, right?

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Constant-Brief3410 May 7, 2026 +2

Guess the war continues

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Sad_Prawn2864 May 8, 2026 +3

It's almost as if Israel didn't want this to end, curious.

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MichalWs May 7, 2026 -85

This shows that Israel doesn't want to end this war. They want to invade and occupy more of Lebanese territories.

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indconquistador May 7, 2026 +76

how does that relate to the killing of a hamas leader

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AyiHutha May 7, 2026 +39

These are bots

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +20

Or it shows that they want to kill hamas members until they surrender. Hmmmm which is more likely Every side in a war wants it to end in the way they want. That's why there's a war. As you can see, hamas is not keen to end the war as long as terms don't suit them either https://www.listnook.com/r/worldnews/comments/1pguq59/hamas_chief_rejects_key_points_of_trump_peace/ No one forced Lebanon to attack Israel. That's on Lebanon, which has been hosting Hezbollah for years.

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +10

Hamas has had plenty of opportunities to negotiate, and they will have plenty more. Acting as if 'poor old Hamas' has no chance to negotiate is a lie.

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Canada1971 May 7, 2026 +1

It’s so dumb because killing the ones that are willing to negotiate removes the incentive to work towards peace and polarises the remaining members. It is a tactic that shows they are only interested in domination and not a mutually beneficial outcome.

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Fucksnacks May 7, 2026 +12

I think you'll find most US based Listnookors just want it to be none of their f****** business & question our involvement to begin with.

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Chusten May 7, 2026 +14

That ship has sailed long ago.

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HaroldHood May 7, 2026 +14

Then why get heated over a terrorist dying half a world away?

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +6

I think you'll find that most 'listnookors' are anonymous propaganda accounts

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RainbowGames May 7, 2026 +4

Idk, killing the negotiators son usually isn't a very helpful move in negotiations. You don't have to side with Hamas to see this as a counterproductive action

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +6

Killing leaders of an enemy faction absolutely gives leverage in negotiations. 'Surrender or die' has been applied throughout human history to great effect. People treating Hamas as if simply 'being reasonable' with them is the way forward are obviously downplaying who hamas is.

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BLiNKiN42 May 7, 2026

"Surrender or die", also known as "no quarter", isn't a negotiation technique and is actually illegal under international law.

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +10

So when hamas keeps on refusing to disarm, what do you propose Israel does? Just keep negotiating forever?

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arnham May 7, 2026 +6

ACKSHUALLY the “surrender” part is where they get the quarter lmao. No surrender? Well ok then, no quarter.

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Burro94 May 7, 2026 +4

The surrender part is where they get the quarter

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fgtswag May 7, 2026 -3

Israel did the same thing with Iran nuclear talks. They bomb potential peace talks because conflict serves them more than peace

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Capitain_Collateral May 7, 2026 -2

Firstly, f*** Hamas… but it is a little bit of a bad idea to kill people you are currently trying to negotiate with. Either don’t negotiate and kill them, or do try to negotiate for peace. Don’t hold a white flag in one hand and press the bomb release with the other. That said I would somewhat assume this guy was in the area of other Hamas targets and it wasn’t specifically to kill him.

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Adiligian May 7, 2026 +5

They have been negotiating since the start of the war. There will be more negotiation. Negotiating does not mean you cease all military activity, that's ridiculous. Maybe don't comment on something you plainly know nothing about.

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sunny0_0 May 7, 2026 -3

The correct course of action is to let them ceasfire each other and everyone else should stay out of it.

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njman100 May 9, 2026 +1

Sounds like more Fascist non negotiating tactics from Israel

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isthereadrwho May 11, 2026 +1

Best allies ever! /S

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