I mean, they were Israeli. Canada allows dual citizenship and doesn't remove citizenship from it's citizens very often.
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TheInsatiableRoach3 days ago
+127
The US as well as the majority of the world allows it
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costigan953 days ago
+44
Several who allow it have much stricter rules than the US, Canada, UK, etc.
I think the Netherlands only allows it in cases of marriage and parentage, for example. If you immigrate for work, become a resident, then you would need to revoke your previous citizenship to become a Dutch citizen once you qualify
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supx32 days ago
+9
This is correct.
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Epyr2 days ago
+1
They changed it in 2008. It was easier to get before as I got it before the rule change because of my grandparents but that is no longer allowed. They aren't revoking it in those cases but just not granting it going forward. They've also never mentioned any issue about me being a dual citizen when I renew my Dutch passport
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PhantasmologicalAnus2 days ago
-8
That's the way it should be.
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NegevThunderstorm2 days ago
+7
Dual citizen here!
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RarelyReadReplies2 days ago
+5
Doesn't the US make you swear that your US nationality comes first or something? Thought they had some weird rule about dual citizens.
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yosisoy2 days ago
+26
Right, then what even is this story?
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Voynich822 days ago
+21
There is none. Only clickbait.
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Present_Student48913 days ago
+125
Not just Canada. Many dual nationals serve in the IDF.
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waviestflow3 days ago
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If I were to have to choose between conducting mass extermination or not being able to go back to Israel I know which one I'm choosing.
Very funny to call someone an "ugly person" for standing against that.
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aznkl3 days ago
+187
So 1500 Israeli-Canadians, is that really hard-hitting news?
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U_Sound_Stupid_Stop2 days ago
+13
No, and that's fine too... Not every news article are supposed to change your life or be a call to action
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RarelyReadReplies2 days ago
+10
It's more about how highly upvoted it is. That's usually reserved for meaningful news.
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Decent_Brick11503 days ago
+47
Considering there is mandatory military service for Israelis this is hardly news and I would have thought the number would have been higher.
I worked with a 40 year old Israeli hippy in BC who was nervous about being called back.
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Paraparo3 days ago
+66
This has come up before but honestly, that's a pretty small amount. And not particularly uncommon in a increasingly mobile world.
Especially for countries that pass on their citizenship by birth.
Canada passes on citizenship if even one of your parents are, even if born abroad. In fact from a Google search, it seems that they've expanded so even if your parents are born abroad.
So if a Canadian moves to Israel for whatever reason, and has a kid, and stays there long enough for the draft to kick in, they'll be in that count.
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Extreme_Garlic46463 days ago
+9
Even in America tons of dual citizen and lots of non citizens just green card.
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Why_No_Doughnuts3 days ago
+27
Israeli citizenship, and therefore the requirement to serve, also passes the same way.
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Foreign-Chocolate863 days ago
+2
Bear in mind that citizenship still has to be applied for in jus sanguine jurisdiction. You are not immediately conferred it upon birth.
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SeanFlynnomPenh3 days ago
+41
How many Canadians served in South Korea’s military last year?
Oh we’re not counting them? Cool
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holymolt3 days ago
+7
How many did?
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Fanjo_mcclanjo2 days ago
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How much ethnic cleansing have South Korea been doing lately?
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budjuana2 days ago
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I suppose its more notable given South Korea aren't routinely burning kids alive, all over the Middle East ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Anyone who chooses to serve in the IDF is repugnant, and its only right that Canada investigates each returning solder for war crimes, given how prevalent they are.
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SeanFlynnomPenh2 days ago
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If they were at war with North Korea and North Korea chose to locate all of its military infrastructure underneath children, you don’t think South Korea would “burn kids alive” to defeat North Korea? F*** this is stupid. I need to stop engaging with mental teenagers online
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budjuana2 days ago
Is that a sick joke? Shame on you.
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budjuana2 days ago
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‘Lowest in history’ according to who? Your arse?
Gaza has been flattened, entire families have been wiped out, aid workers and journalists have been killed, and your defence is some creepy little ‘deaths per tonnage’ ratio like you’re marking homework.
That is not a serious moral argument. It’s just a bloodless way of laundering mass civilian death. Freak.
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SeanFlynnomPenh2 days ago
You have a perfect understanding of the situation and a monopoly on morality. Everyone else better get in line or they’re baby killers, right? Shame on them!
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budjuana2 days ago
+1
Yeah, amazing point. ‘Oh so you think killing civilians is bad, do you think you’re some sort of saint?’ Proper galaxy brain stuff.
As I replied below:
Proportionality does not mean ‘enemy used human shields, therefore massacre is fine’... it means civilian harm must not be excessive relative to the concrete military advantage expected.
If you are burning through children, hospitals, homes and entire districts (even cities in the case of Gaza) as a matter of routine, you have already failed that test. Are Israel just bad at this or do they not give a f***?
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SeanFlynnomPenh1 day ago
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Actually it does mean that, if you can prove there is no other way to wage war on the enemy. Saying “it doesn’t” confidently with your hand on your hip doesn’t make it true.
International law regarding war is about intent, not outcomes. Why is it about intent you ask? Because in war, your enemy is in control of how many civilians it puts in front of itself. In other words, Hamas is in control in *your* definition of proportionality. They can put as many elementary schools and hospitals and apartment blocks as they want between them and Israeli munitions. And according to you and your incorrect definition of proportionality, that means bombs can’t be dropped on them. And that’s incorrect. International law appropriately accounts for this exploit. I’m super glad we don’t put the quality of brains like yours in charge of international law. War is a human right and it shouldn’t be susceptible to infinite defense glitches like you would bake into it.
This is why you’ll never ever see a guilty judgement from the ICJ regarding the way the IDF has deployed weapons in Gaza. They have an army of lawyers documenting all the evidence and intent. You may see successful charges in the ICC against individual idiot politicians for their responsibility in collective punishment regarding electricity and water and food. But not for the way 99% of civilians have died.
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Irr3l3ph4nt2 days ago
+10
Ok... And we probably have a bunch of Israeli double nationals in our Army, that's how militaries work. What's the point here?
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Foreign-Chocolate863 days ago
+54
Hopefully the same level of legal and security scrutiny will be applied to these returning foreign fighters as is applied to those coming back to Canada from other conflicts.
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patronmtl3 days ago
+20
They let Isis fighters and supporters back into Canada. Everyone Should be Less worried about IDF soldiers considering this
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Ecsta2 days ago
+20
Literal members of IRGC living in Canada, but people are worried about Israeli Canadians who served their mandatory service while living in Israel.
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ThatEndingTho3 days ago
+17
Charlotte Kates is still swanning around representing her designated terrorist organization without consequence, why would we start consequences now?
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patronmtl3 days ago
+13
Also one needs to ask themself when’s the last time an Israeli citizen caused any kind of harm or problem in Canada or USA. Now when’s the last time an ISIS supporter or Islamist caused a problem in the same region.
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OpeningConcern72423 days ago
+11
In Canada, service in a foreign military often disqualifies you from holding a security clearance (or at least anything beyond the lowest levels)
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ShoshiOpti3 days ago
+58
This is absolutely not true. I had multiple soldiers under my command that served in foreign militaries including Israeli and USSR. All of them had Top Secret clearance.
Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.
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BogdanD3 days ago
+20
This is Listnook, leave your facts at the door, thank you.
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OpeningConcern72423 days ago
+13
You can’t get a TS clearance while holding a foreign citizenship, and foreign military service is even more of a red flag than that.
Don’t be an ass and reply with something more substantive than just insults. What is your proof?
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Pitiful_Equal_26893 days ago
+25
That’s not true. Holding a foreign citizenship just triggers additional scrutiny and takes quite a bit longer due to the increased scrutiny - lots of people hold dual citizenships and foreign passports and have TS clearance in Canada.
Stephane Dion, Thomas Mulcair, John Turner, Tim Hodgson, Maryam Monsef and others were all federal cabinet members who held dual citizenship.
Turner was Prime Minister.
Most, if not all of these, would have had Top Secret clearances.
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United-Signature-4143 days ago
+8
Pretty sure my dad had TS clearance but he was Brit-Canadian so maybe there's a difference.
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fancczf3 days ago
+17
He could be legit but I am a little skeptical some random guy on Listnook that sounds like a teenager had veterans that served in the military in 90s under his command and also has top secret clearance.
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OpeningConcern72423 days ago
+24
I also have a hard time believing anyone who has held a top secret clearance is bragging about it on Listnook
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Otherwise-Green30673 days ago
+5
*contingent on the country with which you are speaking. I am unaware about Canada’s security clearance rules because I am not Canadian. But other 5 eyes countries have dual citizens currently with secret and TS level clearances depending on the situations surrounding their citizenships (were they acquired at birth, naturalized, etc.)
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Dry_Werewolf_15973 days ago
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I’m not saying what you’re saying is impossible but it strains credibility. The combination of ex-USSR soldiers + TS clearance + serving alongside ex-Israeli soldiers under one commander? More context( time period, country, unit type) is needed.
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ShoshiOpti2 days ago
+2
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Lots of occupations are TS by default.
Also I never said they were both at the same time.
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Dry_Werewolf_15972 days ago
+1
You clear didn’t understand my comment. Certain MOSs, ratings/billets require TS clearance. The person has to qualify through a background investigation to to qualify for a TS/SCI clearance. It’s not automatic. So your point is about clearances being linked to certain “occupation” is relevant. The person has to be granted for the clearance to hold that jobs. Just as I had to for my rating. Conversely, why Filipino nationals hold ratings that don’t require a clearance over Confidential.
My point was simply asking for enough context to have an informed conversation. Those are reasonable questions, but which doesn’t warrant a churlish deflection.
Can add context to your statement?
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ShoshiOpti2 days ago
+3
Why would I give you information that removes my ability to remain anonymous. If you dont believe me I couldn't care less, you clearly don't have enough experience if you've never met people who served in different militaries with TS clearance.
Also, TS and SCI are separate processes, anyone with SA goes through additional interviews. Although TS without SA is pretty useless
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Dry_Werewolf_15972 days ago
+1
My clearance was all at once TS/SCI, that was the requirement of my rating. Think was common for everyone working in the SCIF as an Intell guy.
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hahajajaboing2 days ago
+1
Canada relies on the US for all og its protection so it really doesnt matter.
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Foreign-Chocolate863 days ago
+4
Yeah and I hope that applies to all foreign militaries, not discriminating.
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farseer63 days ago
+6
Sure, makes sense. Remind me, when was the last time an Israeli committed a terrorist attack in Canada?
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Gundungus2 days ago
+2
Not sure on that, but they did just recently kill multiple Canadians in their illegal invasion of Lebanon
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Foreign-Chocolate862 days ago
-1
Why does that matter when the law is whether they committed crimes anywhere?
If a Canadian goes overseas and commits a crime, then flees to Canada they have still committed a crime under Canadian law.
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cubedplusseven2 days ago
+6
They weren't making a legal statement. I took the implication of their comment to be that they felt safe with ex-IDF returning to Canada.
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budjuana2 days ago
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They commit terrorist attacks routinely; it's just that you don't believe Arabs are human beings.
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cubedplusseven2 days ago
+5
When was the last Israeli-perpetrated terrorist attack in Canada, against Arabs or otherwise?
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commentinator2 days ago
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There is no scrutiny for this scenario because Israel is an ally
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Foreign-Chocolate862 days ago
+1
There is no alliance between Israel and Canada. They are not allies.
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NegevThunderstorm2 days ago
+3
Yup, it is kind of common, not really breaking news
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WhippedCreamSteak2 days ago
+3
That's more than the Canadian military!
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a_hairbrush3 days ago
+4
And all should be investigated for war crimes / crimes against humanity upon return
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
-2
They are heroes who deserve to be commended for their bravery and hard work to defend the only democracy in the Middle East.
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holymolt3 days ago
-7
Interesting take.
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Fercaichoa2 days ago
+2
It's the take of an account that spends 18 hours a day defending Israel lol
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JCnut2 days ago
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Ultra f****** stupid. The only democracy in the Middle East is using Canadians to kill a whole nation and wage war amongst neighbours without any provocation. Go read something else than f****** CTV or CBC or BBC. Learn about media propagandha and who owns all the western media platforms. It's all the same shit and we're being lied to and being explained an ULTRA bias'd truth. Sorry for exploding but this type of "pro-western/democracy/"FREEDOM IZ NUMBAH 1!!!!!" is unraveling and aging very poorly.
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Dongsquad420Loki2 days ago
+6
Iraq is a democracy too why does that get forgotten
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Spikemountain2 days ago
+7
Listnook, I hereby present to you my exhibit entitled: "Yes, sometimes anti-Zionism is antisemitism"
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Ultra_Metal2 days ago
Israel isn't doing what you accuse it of doing. You're spreading lies, hate and disinformation.
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
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National citizenship should be revoked for serving in a foreign army, regardless of what nations army you serve in.
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Numerous-Ad64603 days ago
+31
So what about the Canadians fighting Russia over in Ukraine? Or does your scenario only apply to to things you dont like?
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hahajajaboing3 days ago
+98
What? What do you think the foreign legion is? Do you hold the same for north Americans serving in Ukraine?
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ClickbaitDetective3 days ago
+35
Then they would just be mercenaries. I know some fellow danes fighting in the Ukrainian Army.
It would only be problematic if they at the same time were enlisted in Danish Army
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
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I have much less of an issue with mercenaries. Their national loyalty, or lack thereof, is at least clear.
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PiperPeriwinkle3 days ago
+39
Bruh.
Dual citizenship is now a draft protection.
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Propoyall2 days ago
+5
Use your brain. These are dual Canadian-Israeli citizens. They’re not serving in a foreign army as a non-citizen
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East-Ad-76653 days ago
+29
What about Europeans and Americans who go fight in Ukraine?
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tegat3 days ago
+2
Same thing. My country doesn't allow to serve in army of foreign country. There are two exceptions: it's a NATO member or President (head of the army) says it's OK. He said it's OK, so anyone who wants to fight can go.
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skoomski3 days ago
+15
Duel citizenship. Many countries require compulsory service. Israel, Greece, Finland to just name a few. The latter two being NATO members as well.
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SowingSalt2 days ago
+3
F*** all the Canadians fighting to protect Ukraine, amIright?
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DistanceToEmpty3 days ago
+9
Honestly, there should be clear laws that spell out under what circumstances a Canadian can and cannot join a foreign military force.
Looking at things like state actors vs non-state actors, allied nations vs friendly nations vs hostile nations (and everything in between), is it different for dual-nationals, etc.
Consider: its obviously illegal for Canadians to join ISIS, but why is it OK for Canadians to join another non-state military like the Kurdish forces? Obviously one is a designated terrorist group in Canada, but the other is a designated terrorist group according to a NATO ally, and neither are accountable to any legitimate civilian authority.
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NegevThunderstorm2 days ago
+2
Why? When has this happened in Canada in the past?
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GerwulfvonTobelstein3 days ago
+8
"Hi I'm \*gibberish\*. I despise Israel and cover it under whatever I'm able to get out of my ass."
Thank me later.
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DaEccentric3 days ago
+7
This has got to be the shittiest take I've seen in a while. We're living in a global economy, people don't own supreme allegiance to one nationalistic ideal.
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
+8
So you don’t owe allegiance to any nation, but to the forces of the international economy? OK, then just be a mercenary.
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DaEccentric3 days ago
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The world has worked hard to reduce ultranationalism. Why the f*** would you advocate to force a dual citizen to choose? As long as he's law-abiding in both nations then what's it to you?
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
+2
Having national loyalty is not the same as “ultranationalism.” I mean, with your mindset, why pledge any oaths of national loyalty at all? Which just returns to, why not just join a mercenary outfit?
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DaEccentric3 days ago
+1
National loyalty does not have to be mutually exclusive. As long as the two nations are not in direct opposition, why force a man to choose? The choice is rarely "either-or".
Which begs the question - why does it matter to you? It's practically a non-issue for most western countries, so why the f*** are you advocating this?
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
+5
I take oaths of loyalty seriously. If you pledge yourself to two countries that may be aligned now, whose to say what the geopolitics are 5, 10 or 20 years from now? In which case, if owe allegiance to two separate countries that have become antagonistic, you are forced to make a choice.
I swear, people do not treat oaths seriously anymore.
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DaEccentric3 days ago
+4
Because owing your absolute allegiance to a country is silly. That sounds like a regurgitated ideal from some fantasy novel.
If that comes to it, then you may force a choice. We don't build our civilizations based on "what if everything falls apart completely." If that were true then all diplomatic relations are moot from the get-go.
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AdInfamous62903 days ago
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Diplomatic relations aren’t moot, but they are always self interested and always subject to change. Shifting alliances aren’t “everything falls apart” you act like alliances are some iron pact holding the world together. They shift and change as national interests shift and change, it’s normal and to be expected.
You say owing your absolute allegiance to a country is silly, so I ask for a third time… why not just join a mercenary outfit? I’m not deriding that decision, I think there is more honor and honesty in simply declaring you have no loyalty than trying to balance multiple loyalties.
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DaEccentric3 days ago
+2
Because these relations have proven themselves in modern times, and become more and more ironclad as countries depend on each other. Exactly why I mentioned the global economy, which is the most powerful force in the world right now.
> I think there is more honor...
Then we're at an impasse, because I vehemently disagree. I do not see having multiple loyalties as being disloyal or dishonorable. As long as those loyalties do not contradict one another, which has been the case for decades, then the matter is a non-issue.
Let's move down from nationality to something a little more down-to-earth. Think of a divorced father. He can be loyal to both his child and his new wife, even when these two conflict. It's not dishonest, and it's not dishonorable.
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GullibleStatus80643 days ago
+5
I wouldn't mind this, finally everyone can get rid of their ISIS fighters.
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umpteenthrhyme3 days ago
+7
That’s not a military, but a terrorist group. It has been proposed before in Canada, I believe w.r.t. a member of the taliban, and was met with much public disapproval due to it being seen as an attack on the rights of citizenship. Critics against it cited that future definitions and categorizations of legitimate political groups being labelled as “terrorist” would strip political enemies of their rights as a citizen (e.g. Trump labelling Antifa as a terrorist group).
Also, this is really a criminal act. You could look at it as treason, if the nation of their citizenship, was threatened by the terrorist group. And could therefore be tried for treason, along with terrorism charges, which could lead to harsher punishments and another chance to convict on something.
Also, I should think, and correct me if I’m wrong, a nation against which you commit treason would have a right to extradite you from other nations, should you be arrested for planning terrorism in that location.
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GullibleStatus80643 days ago
+2
They liked to believe they were a state.
I mean yeah, but if we're going down the route of making the suggested change, then I think we could do this one as well. I agree you would need safeguards to stop the likes of Trump going crazy with it. Do I trust those safeguards in the US? No.
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umpteenthrhyme3 days ago
+2
Why would you trust them more here? There’s not much stopping Canada from electing a trump figure, and our safeguards tend to not be much better, but rely on electoral consequence to hold leaders to account also. (e.g. overuse of not-withstanding clause in recent years)
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GullibleStatus80642 days ago
+1
Because the USA's checks and balances have proven themselves unwilling to deal with Trump's blantant violations of the law.
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Cippledtimmy3 days ago
+2
then they will all just move to the UK
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Desi01902 days ago
+1
Dual citizenship exists in Israel and Canada. This is nothing to worry about at all
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Important-Emu-66913 days ago
-32
Definitely should be investigate for war crimes if they ever step foot in Canada again
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NegevThunderstorm2 days ago
+5
What war crimes? Which Canadian laws are you looking at?
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h4v3anic3d4y3 days ago
-65
Ok so foreign terrorist combatants lose their citizenship, right? Riiiiight?!?
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jacquesroland3 days ago
+44
IDF is not a terrorist organization. No matter how much you complain about it on Listnook it doesn’t change that fact. You act like there’s some equivalence to the people leaving to join ISIS.
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Maleficent-Clue50563 days ago
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its only a terrorist organization if my precious liberal institution deems it so! an army killing tens of thousands of kids just an army! I am smart!
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SowingSalt2 days ago
+11
Allied armies killed thousands in Europe and Asia. That doesn't make them terrorists.
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NegevThunderstorm2 days ago
+2
Not combatants, this is the military. Try and keep up
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Wonderful-Pause10483 days ago
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Is everything else okay with you?
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Wonderful-Pause10483 days ago
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Dude, where did you get this message from? And even in case if, he‘s just one, not ALL Canadians, DUDE! And read the article carefully!
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OldGord3 days ago
+2
We could elect a foreign-compromised pedophile as our leader, that’d look dumb
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h4v3anic3d4y3 days ago
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Read the article maybe? IDF is a terrorist orgamisation, the ukrainian armed forces arent. And im not canadian, so you assume a lot, dont read what is written and write angry responses to a point no one has made. If i am a f*****, then you are a dumbass.
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RushPrime3 days ago
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You both are idiots lol. The IDF isn’t a terror group they are a military organization no matter how much you may disagree with them and their operations (which is okay to be critical of). Regardless, Canada allows dual citizenship so of course some people will serve for their other country.
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umpteenthrhyme3 days ago
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We are not dumb as Canadians, overall. This has been proposed by Conservative party in the past while they were heading into an election, and was a good chunk of what helped contribute to their loss of control of government, when Trudeau’s liberals took over. Also, iirc pretty much tanked Harper’s Foreign Minister’s career.
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Playful_Wrangler78363 days ago
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They should have their Canadian passports revoked. If you fight for Isreal, you should stay there.
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dshamz_3 days ago
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Taking a field trip to kill some kids on the side eh
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Broken_Reality3 days ago
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Anyone joining the IDF should lose citizenship in other countries if they hold dual citizenship.
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Extreme_Garlic46463 days ago
+14
Thanks for speaking for all the countries in the world. We appreciate it.
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jacquesroland3 days ago
+24
Tell me the last time an Israeli or Jew carried out a terrorist attack in Canada? In the name of Zionism?
I think the 70s there was a JDL plot to attack the Egyptian embassy. I can’t find anything else. Whereas there is an ISIS plot as recent as 2024 (Eldidi plot).
So yah you’re full of BS. If IDF reservists start blowing themselves up in Toronto, sure I would agree with you.
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