An unmitigated disaster of geopolitics, caused by two unmitigated disasters of national leaders.
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ThatPhatKid_CanDraw2 days ago
+326
A few old men taking us all down.
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myassholealt2 days ago
+143
Isn't that always the way it's been throughout human history?
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CanuckPanda2 days ago
+85
Every now and then it’s a young man or an old woman!
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Vospader9982 days ago
+10
Nepoleon and Queen Victoria maybe?
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okopchak2 days ago
+26
Betting they are referring to Thatcher
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CanuckPanda2 days ago
+12
¿Por que no Los tres?
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hannibal_fett2 days ago
+7
I don't recall Victoria f****** up *this* badly on the geopolitical stage.
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FaceDeer2 days ago
+17
A few old men and the millions of voters that put them in charge.
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highcontrastgrey2 days ago
+17
That's kind of what happens when those in charge spend decades dismantling the education system.
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Fluffy_Cheetah76202 days ago
+17
"The old devils are at it again"
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Nicenightforawalk012 days ago
+52
Two men who were trying to stay in power and not go to prison. Worked for the Orange one but not so sure about the other
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totallyRebb2 days ago
+10
Three actually.
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isthereadrwho2 days ago
+2
And funny enough both trying to stay out of jail
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jemhadar02 days ago
+49
He’s not.
He’s trying to scam his way out of this one.
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Vslacha2 days ago
+28
I’d love more to see him lose an election later this year, then to see him in prison.
That said, odds of that remain not so high. But there’s still a chance, better than chances of that in the US!
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CyberSoldat212 days ago
+3
Let’s see if the backlash actually gets him out of power
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AdAlternative71482 days ago
+4
The most recent polls show about 75% of Israelis approve his handling of the Iran war.
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isaacfisher2 days ago
+3
They are not recent enough
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AdAlternative71482 days ago
+4
Well if you read the article it seems these opposition groups are not upset about Israel's attacks on Iran. They are upset that a ceasefire is being declared. They want more destruction of Iran.
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isaacfisher2 days ago
+4
That’s not accurate. They don’t want “more destruction”, they are angry that Nethanyahu promised goals that aren’t being reached: Destroying or heavily setting back the nuke project, destroying or setting back the ballistic missile project and regime change. The claim is that if those goals were known to be unreachable then IL/US shouldn’t have started the war in the first place. That stand does not contradict being in support of the goals originally.
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spiral88882 days ago
+2
The opposition is saying that the government is failing. Sure, no prime minister in the history of world politics has ever heard that before. Must be very stinging. 🙄
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Royal-Hunter38923 days ago
+842
Iran's 10 points for the negotiations are the polar opposite of US's 15 points .
But interestingly both sides have claimed that they have stopped the strikes only because the other side have agreed their points which is a contradiction.
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HotSauce29102 days ago
+195
U.S. also says they are operating on Iran’s 10 point peace plan, but I wonder if Iran sent a different 10 points than they publicly announced
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Halbaras2 days ago
+101
I suspect that Iran has hinted which of the 10 points they consider red lines and which are simply a maximalist initial position. The US clearly isn't going to withdraw from the middle east, though Trump might use it as an excuse to reduce troop numbers.
They will not be willing to make any concessions on missile defense but might well be willing to concede on uranium (which they were offering before Trump attacked during negotiations), and might trade charging a toll on the strait for genuine sanctions relief.
I have a strong suspicion that they will bribe Trump by offering partnerships with US oil companies and possibly part of the tolls charged on the strait, and it's going to make the Gulf States look like absolute rubes.
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putin_my_ass2 days ago
+66
> and it's going to make the Gulf States look like absolute rubes.
There is only one hard-rule with Trump: He will betray you. You will be backstabbed.
I think you're right, the Gulf States are probably in for a shock.
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mashiro14962 days ago
+18
Historically, the US has a track record for backstabbing their supportees and locals. Vietnam, Afganistan, the Kurds in Syria. They pulled out on a moments notice. With Dolan, you are most likely see it coming...
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Ok-Yak73702 days ago
+2
Pulled out on a moment's notice is not the story of Vietnam or Afghanistan.
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Thurak02 days ago
+61
> I have a strong suspicion that they will bribe Trump by offering partnerships with US oil companies and possibly part of the tolls charged on the strait, and it's going to make the Gulf States look like absolute rubes.
LOL. Imagine pressuring Trump into weakening Iran and then the US just outright join them in their most profitable business. It's not too far fetched, Venezuela started selling oil to the US recently.
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_hyperotic2 days ago
+35
This isn’t a win for Trump. It’s a loss for everyone.
Everyone is a rube here, not just the Gulf States.
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DillBagner2 days ago
+35
You know who probably won't get sanctions put back on their oil though? Russia.
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JuggernautBright14632 days ago
+34
Ukraine's kinetic sanctions have been very effective and will continue
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notquite20characters2 days ago
+2
It's a continual effort, and I would prefer to have both.
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Fair-Lecture-15542 days ago
+12
Im thinking Jared and the Trump boys are making bank with their Saudi deals, and their drone deals, they're not rubes, theyre profiteers.
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_hyperotic2 days ago
+7
Yes but they were already getting filthy rich from all channels.
I think this was about global power and an attempt to boost Trump’s legacy. Private wealth was just a bonus for them.
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Digitalion_2 days ago
+12
The entire inciting incident in this has been that Iran refuses to allow the American oil industry to come into their country and take their resources. I have a very strong suspicion that they're not letting up on that point now that they've proven that they have the upper hand.
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__redruM2 days ago
+5
Tolls for transiting international waters is a non-starter. But certainly sanction relief is on the table. The gamble was for regime changes, the gamble failed, now it’s time to pay the bet.
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TheHumanGnomeProject2 days ago
+5
The ultimate troll 🤣
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HopiumInhaler2 days ago
+77
US is buying time to move more assets in the region.
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Argented2 days ago
+93
What more assets? Aircraft carriers and a boatload of Marines have already been sent there while the US has planes in bases in the area already. Even subs have been involved.
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HarEr892 days ago
+100
Nothing will happen. Trump is already tired and he lost interest.
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Dahhhkness2 days ago
+61
He's already talking about Venezuela again, just the other day he was bragging that he could easily learn Spanish and become president there.
This was only, like, a month after he told a group of Latin-American leaders that he had no interest in learning their language.
Not to mention the fact that he can barely speak *English*.
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protipnumerouno2 days ago
+21
He's dreaming like every criminal, of where he'll flee to when the rest of the files come out.
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VagrantShadow2 days ago
+8
I still think that he dreams himself as being the American king. He was chanting four more years at a rally just the other day now. In his idiotic mind, he believes this country would be nothing without him leading it.
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Beat_the_Deadites2 days ago
+3
Sounds like George from Of Mice and Men. Big plans, delusions of grandeur, not really grounded in any reality.
Also Lennie. A big dumb oaf. Except Lennie occasionally felt remorse.
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Larcye2 days ago
+13
This war has close to an 80% Disapproval rating. Any boots on the ground would be political suicide for the GOP, especially since it's an election year. Gas is currently almost $4 a gallon where I live when it was around $2.30 before this war began. Trump was desperate for an end to this war right now. So he agreed to whatever Iran wanted to get a ceasefire. Now I'm sure the actual agreement will be different. I can't see us pulling out of the middle east. But Iran will get most of what it wants.
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VagrantShadow2 days ago
+7
Funny enough, I still have a feeling with those numbers against it, trump would still do it.
Hell, I'd go so far as to say if he did put boots on the ground and the war didn't go his way he would try to invoke a draft to get more soldiers involved in it.
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gamas2 days ago
+3
>I still have a feeling with those numbers against it, trump would still do it.
You're forgetting the part where Trump only does things if he thinks there's something in it for him. This war has clearly frustrated him as he was promised something great only for it to drag into a disaster that he was struggling to pull out of due to how committed both Israel and Iran were towards destroying each other.
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various_necks2 days ago
+3
I was visiting the midwest, middle of nowhere Indiana, $5.19 for regular.
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More-Jellyfish-602 days ago
+43
At a huge cost as well. This was poorly planned and executed makes the US look very incompetent.
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faffc2602 days ago
+41
our top leadership IS incompetent.
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___xXx__xXx__xXx__2 days ago
+24
US's Suez moment.
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claimTheVictory2 days ago
+11
This is it.
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EndOfDecadence2 days ago
+3
Absolutely. Failed waging war in the graveyard of empires, how suiting.
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HarEr892 days ago
+12
Trump thought the IRGC would surrender in 3 days, that they wouldn't block Hormuz, that he would need no ground forces. He also allowed Iran to sell their oil while the Arab countries were blocked and attacked. Trump is an unhinged fool.
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Beat_the_Deadites2 days ago
+5
Plus he's surrounded his narcissistic ass with a bunch of idiot grifter yes-men who tell him he's the smartest and has the best ideas. People are afraid to tell him the truth, and they usually have gotten away with it.
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ad3z102 days ago
+6
Pretty par for the course when it comes to major military actions after doing a political purge of your generals.
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Individual_Door_32512 days ago
+19
They are running low on missiles
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HarEr892 days ago
+31
Nah, TACO is tired. Iranians can do with Hormuz whatever they want now.
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axelkoffel2 days ago
+9
If this was true, wouldn't that mean that the initial plan for attack on Iran turned out to be a complete failure? That its estimations and predictions were wrong?
Shouldn't someone answer for that?
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Badloss2 days ago
+6
That would require tens of millions of americans to suddenly start caring about what their votes are actually doing
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GenFokoff2 days ago
+25
Shut up... No we are not...just cleaning some engines...what are you talking about.
Our troops deserve a trip to MENA region for cultural enlightenment.
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IFeelBATTY2 days ago
+5
Hah. More fool them if true but I also suspect youre talking out of your ass
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Dongsquad420Loki2 days ago
+2
There is another carrier on the wsy as we speak. Was announced few days ago
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AK_Panda2 days ago
+7
Given the invasion of Iraq used a bit less than 600k personnel and involved a 5-6 carriers, i think the US would need to move a lot more troops than they seem to be in order to properly invade.
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r2d2rigo2 days ago
+5
> US is buying time to ~~move more assets in the region~~ manipulate global markets one more time.
FTFY.
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Vslacha2 days ago
+2
Iran is also buying time to move Uranium, mine their coastlines and sea mine the strait, and wield power over the Strait of Hormuz.
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Important-Emu-66912 days ago
+2
Few points are opposites but there are a lot of overlap actually. The main contention is over developing nuclear tech.
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paxilsavedme2 days ago
+307
I despise these old scum, Trump, Putin, Netanyahu etc,, dinosaurs that are good for nothing. Humanity needs to be rid of these trash humans.
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Colonel_Cumpants2 days ago
+30
Plenty more, much younger, people like them are awaiting their go, I am afraid.
This won't stop being a problem in 10-20 years.
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behindtimes2 days ago
+13
Stuff like this has been happening since the beginning of humanity and will continue to happen until the end of humanity. Scum **always** rises to the top.
The very best you can hope for are leaders who can lie and get people to believe the lie.
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StillWastingAway2 days ago
+2
Israel's younger generation is literally more extreme than netanyahu and by far. Even this article in the OP, the opposition is pro war, they're just not happy with the results so far
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confusedguy12122 days ago
+50
Generally when the younger generation arrives to relieve the dinosaurs it’s almost always a more extreme and radical version.
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chocolatechipbagels2 days ago
+46
the dinosaurs' terrible policy decisions and ruined economies are the reason the younger generation is more radical
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Filthyquak2 days ago
+31
I'm not sure what the article is trying to say because "slams" is not in capital letters.
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Loose_Skill66413 days ago
+197
this outcome is political suicide for him for sure
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ASource35112 days ago
+111
It's not like he was well liked before all of this
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Oggie2432 days ago
+74
Yet he's still spent the last 30 years bouncing between the most influential roles in the country and has been the most prominent figure in the country's politics for 3 decades.
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FudgeAtron2 days ago
+50
>Yet he's still spent the last 30 years bouncing between the most influential roles in the country and has been the most prominent figure in the country's politics for 3 decades.
Because in a country where getting 30% of the vote is considered a landslide, the man with a personal voter base of 20% is extremely important.
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Mindless-Peak-16872 days ago
+9
he is plenty liked by his people. Israel owns this mess also.
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__redruM2 days ago
+5
Do they though. They cut the grass in Iran, can do it again in 2 years no matter what “deal” the great deal-maker pulls. They rolled the dice on regime change and the deal maker is left holding the bag.
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ErinyesMegara2 days ago
+5
Something between ⅕ and ¼ of Israel’s entire population was in the streets protesting him last year. He’s plenty liked by his base but he’s also got some spirited opposition.
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Leschnitzky2 days ago
+2
Sadly he was though, by his supporter cult. his main goals in the past 20 years was to divide the country into patriots and traitors. Under the guise of who else but him, and weaken israel's policies and laws so that he can give the appropriate favors to certain powers to remain seated on his throne.
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electric_junk2 days ago
+66
One could expect that would happen after October 7th, and yet here we are.
Bibi has literally a cult following in Israel. He's always right, and if something goes wrong, it's definitely not his fault.
I'm not saying the Israelis love him - as a matter of fact, he was really pressured before Oct 7 -, but it's pretty clear that a significant part of the voters do.
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buttbuttlolbuttbutt2 days ago
+30
I would wager his support bottoms out at 30% of the population, as that seems to be the percentage of humans that enjoy when leaders tread on them.
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LoxicTizard2 days ago
+18
The actual number of votes his party got last elections was 1 million, which is 10% of the population. After talking to some rabid cult members and trying to understand, I realized they just tell themselves whatever lies they want to hear, and I will never understand.
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buttbuttlolbuttbutt2 days ago
+8
What percentage of the population didnt vote? And what percentage of the population who did vote, voted for him. I feel like its misleading to count who voted for him against the entire population, even those too young to vote, so what percentage of voters amd whats his support in the general population?
Because Trump, and even staying part of Britain back in thw day were roughly 30%, and ive seen similiar to a 3rd in other reports for other countries.
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seeasea2 days ago
+3
Of the voting population, likud got 23.5%, now, but that doesn't means 86% hate him. Because some percentage are worse. With fascist terrorist smotrich/bengvir/Sukkot getting 11%, and 4.5% for lieberman (who hates bibi, but is not what people think of when talking about this). This is how coalition multi party elections work.
So, in terms of bibi, the Israelis are more than double the support. And add in fascists. That's 34.5%, and as much as 40%-50% depending on the specifics in other parties like Y"B and Sha"s etc.
Ie, if it was a 2 party state, bibi would likely get 40-50% of the vote. Some of them think he isn't crazy enough. Others will think he is crazy, but hold their nose and vote anyways (like Trump's approval rating)
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namitynamenamey2 days ago
+2
Yes, the fascist 30%. Rich or poor, left or right, modern democracy only works when these people stay at home and don't bother choosing candidates, but then the opposite happens and cue democracy ending in applause.
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LoxicTizard2 days ago
+10
You have to understand how Israeli elections work. We don't have a bipartisan system, and the coalition and opposition in our government are comprised of several smaller parties. After an election, the head of the largest party (i.e. with the most relative votes) will have to assemble a coalition and will then be named prime minister.
So this definitely does NOT mean most Israelis support Bibi. It's enough that his cult members consistently and mindlessly vote for him, while opposition parties are divided and have no political strategy, and the Likud ends up as the largest party capable of assembling a government.
There was rampant disapproval of Bibi even before Oct 7th, with weekly demonstrations as large as 150-200k.
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namitynamenamey2 days ago
+8
It merely means most Israely are happy with their representatives forming coalition with Bibi. Which is almost the same, one step removed.
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fiction82 days ago
+4
>One could expect that would happen after October 7th, and yet here we are.
Expect what? 7 Oct happened one year into a four year term. They haven't had an election between then and now, so obviously he's still in power.
This headline exists because they are now in campaign season for the elections happening later this year.
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LoneSnark2 days ago
+4
Absolutely could have been worse.
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Prestigious_Health_22 days ago
+6
I despise Netanyahu but he's competent as hell (for the worse). Hamas is mostly destroyed. He convinced the US to do joint attacks on Iran twice. Baited Hezbollah into a ground invasion in South-Lebanon. Continues to expand settlements in the West Bank like it's nothing. Keeps postponing his corruption case so it doesn't affect the elections. He's managed to stay in power for 25 years.
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Gloomy-Inspector-8343 days ago
+163
The ceasefire between the United States and Iran is being framed as a win for both sides, but Iran comes out of it with several clear advantages.
First, the regime is still in place. There has been no regime change, and no internal uprising. Iran has also held firm on its key demand to continue enriching uranium, which remains unresolved but unchanged.
Sanctions relief is now on the table in a serious way. Even partial lifting of direct and indirect sanctions would be a major gain, especially combined with the possibility of access to frozen assets or other forms of compensation.
Iran has also strengthened its position in the Strait of Hormuz. It has shown that it can disrupt one of the world’s most important oil routes and is now signaling that it may continue to control access, possibly even introducing transit fees.
Overall, Iran has preserved its core interests and improved its leverage, both economically and strategically. Even without a full deal in place, that puts it in a position to claim a political victory.
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xmuskorx3 days ago
+78
Other than regime survival (for now) we have no idea how any of the other points will shake out.
It's too early to tell due to all the fog and conflicting claims by both sides.
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Kohounees2 days ago
+31
Nice to see a neutral take. It’s easy to speculate what USA can and cannot do, but we have no idea what’s going on in Iran.
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Whole_Intention_79492 days ago
+26
The strait is for all practical purposes still closed
Which insurance company is gonna insure the ships going through, hell I doubt the crew of the ships currently stuck at the mouth of Hormuz are keen on risking it
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+6
Again, we have no idea how passage of the straight will shake out.
It's too early to tell and both sides and making super conflicting claims
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EndOfDecadence2 days ago
+8
Still, the only escalation options Trump has left are generally worse for him and the world then to just pull out. No one can predict the future, but in its current form its very simple: Iran has won and the US has lost. As far as I'm concerned the conflicting claims are purely for domestic consumption.
Even if the IRGC is overthrown next year, wouldn't mean that a new Iranian government would change its view on the US.
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Pat-Funny-28172 days ago
+8
the straight IS RIGHT NOW an issue for the world because of the US, which it was NOT BEFORE.
That has shaken the f*** and the shit out of that project.
Also, they (Trumps club) will never ever touch a drop of Iranian oil and it still does not distract enough from the Epstein files and election interference. Which let's be honest, is the whole point.
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+4
Gulf states spend 40 years building and planning (perhaps insufficiently) for the straight issues.
" It was built during the Iran–Iraq War in the 1980s to allow Saudi oil exports to bypass the tanker war taking place in the Strait of Hormuz."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline
This was a Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads. People outside of the region were just not paying attention...
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BadmiralHarryKim2 days ago
+3
To put it another way, it's certainly possible, depending on how negotiations go, that this hasn't been an absolute humiliation for America.
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+3
Yeah, but a dead Khomeini and the "weekend at Mojtaba's" current leader are not a humiliation for Iran.
This goes both ways.
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Peter_deT2 days ago
+14
Too soon to say on some of this, but the US position in the ME is definitely weaker, and Israel's position vis-a-vis it's crucial international support is also much weaker. A significant fraction of US and European opinion has shifted from 'embattled' to 'feral'. Both have medium to long term implications.
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stamfordbridge11912 days ago
+7
The war also probably weakened Iranian opposition.
Imagine how many people still willing to protest after a bunch of people got killed for protesting just saw this war and couldn't help but think "if the regime can endure against the might of the biggest superpower in the world with it's air force, navy, & marines, what can a bunch of people like me in the street do against it?"
Or maybe "what if we build a democracy that winds up giving us a leadership like the USA has? Is the regime really any worse than that?"
Or even "all protests did were just get us shot by the regime, and then us & our children blown up by the US & Israel to 'help us.' If we didn't protest, then so many more people would be alive."
I'm not saying Iranian opposition is done or giving up on protests & such by any means, but the way things have turned out has probably been painfully demoralizing to them, and figuring out how to move forward is probably less clear.
(And this would be explicitly counter to the stated goals alleged by the admin of the US President during the onset of the war.)
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mdradijin3 days ago
+2
I would add one more thing, we now know the military options from both sides, Iran will learn and adapt faster than USA because of burocracy
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SuperPapernick2 days ago
+29
It's nuts that both the US and Israel, the attacking factions in this idiotic war which they themselves started, are coming out of this looking worse and worse by the day. Iran, as battered and beaten as they are, are standing their ground, making reasonable plans and acting like the adult in the room.
Meanwhile, the US, specifically its president, is finding new ways to be embarassing and fail in a new way every day and Israel's structure is evidently also crumbling under this. The negotiations are obviously going rather poorly for the guys who thought they'd hold all the cards.
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SP15703 days ago
+231
To a foreigner, Israel opposition is like dark matter: I assume it exists but I've never really seen it
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NoSong23973 days ago
+56
You wouldn't without paying attention to in-country sources like [Ha'aretz](https://www.haaretz.com/).
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MiserableTennis65462 days ago
+27
Israelis read Ha 'aretz?
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royi97292 days ago
+21
Some Israeli leftists do
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DigSpelledBackwards2 days ago
+14
Quite a lot
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Vslacha2 days ago
+21
As someone who follows Israeli news, you have been trying not to see it.
Netanyahu was voted out and replaced by a coalition just back in 2021-2022, unfortunately it didn’t hold. But massive protests, and a lot more brave and vocal pushback on his leadership than you see in America against Trump and the GOP
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Nurhaci16162 days ago
+77
Do you... read the news?
Like seriously, actual question. Because if your only understanding of Israeli politics comes from social media, you're not exactly going to get a greater level of detail than "the Israelis did this and the Palestinians did that". Given Israel's constitution, their politics can actually be fairly complex, and reading actual news articles about internal Israeli politics would be the only way to actually hear about it.
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Whole_Intention_79492 days ago
+77
The only 2 Israeli parties opposed to the war are the Arab ones ( effectively locked out of power ) and the extremely weak far left
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ikinone2 days ago
+23
> The only 2 Israeli parties opposed to the war are the Arab ones
You're confused between 'opposition government' with 'opposition to the war'. Opposition governments do not mean they take the opposite of the mainstream stance on every question.
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Whole_Intention_79492 days ago
+2
That's literally my point ? People opposed to Netanyahu love dead arab kids as much as bibi supporters
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Atlanos0432 days ago
+31
Not from Israel but I mean...even if you support the war on principle the way it currently stands would be viewed as a failure. I can definetly see an opposition party, ESPECIALLY one that isn't against the war, using the current situation against Netanyahu.
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HotSauce29102 days ago
+19
I think the point is that doesn’t really feel like opposition from a practical pov. Like it’s technically a different person, but the outcomes are the same.
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silverpixie24352 days ago
+5
If you actually believe that you have zero clue of internal Israeli politics. There are a thousand things that would be different. Of course no Israeli is going to be against a war that against another state that regularly calls for the destruction of their country.
No the opposition isn't going to hold hands with Abbas. But the opposition in charge and Ben Gvir and Simtroch removed from their positions improves the situation dramatically. It solves the Haredi issue which means no right wing party can then rely on their support in a coalition and they need to find support elsewhere. The leading candidate for PM is proposing term limits on the PM, so another Netanyahu can't lead for 16 years.
It is funny how some of the people who champion Palestinian rights the most, and also ironically write screeds about how its wrong grouping all Palestinians together, think there isn't a substantial Israeli population that wants to move forward on a lot of issues including the conflict with Palestinians.
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Divinicus2nd2 days ago
+45
Netanyahu has been in power since 2009. What are your arguments that the opposition isn’t a joke?
17 years in power, do you call that a democracy?
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yuval164322 days ago
+9
He was removed from power, even if he managed to eke out a coalition in the last elections. If the opposition hadn’t split their votes in the last elections, he may well have lost. It’s not so far a thing. He *wasn’t* in power for 17 years straight.
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Divinicus2nd2 days ago
+16
How much did he miss in those 17 years? 6 months?
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SadSecurity2 days ago
+10
> Do you... read the news?
Just Tiktok shorts.
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Titanguy1012 days ago
+5
Opposition never meant or achieved jackshit
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Olivedoggy2 days ago
+12
Yair Lapid, Naftali Bennett, and Avigdor Lieberman are in the opposition, and I believe they're all on X.
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moriartyj2 days ago
+7
Yair Golan, Benny Gantz, Gadi Eisenkot, ...
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xmuskorx3 days ago
+35
Is that because you are not looking?
Israel has an extremely complex always shifting political system of alliances and oppositions. Get off tiktok
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Whole_Intention_79492 days ago
+30
When it comes to national 'security' they have the exact same opinions , Israeli politics is pretty similiar to Asian democracies in the sense that none of the mainstream parties fundamentally disagree on geopolitics
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justdidapoo2 days ago
+11
essentially every country is like that because security policy is mostly dictated to you by circumstance. America going off that very very recently is them going off the deep end
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EliteKill2 days ago
+12
This is a load of c*** that is completely detached from reality.
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BangkokRios2 days ago
+25
- A poll by the Israel Democracy Institute, a leading think tank funded primarily by Israeli and US donors, found that 93 per cent of Jewish Israelis back the attacks on Iran
- Another poll of 805 people from the INSS think tank, funded by private donors, foundations and corporations, showed public support at 81 per cent, with 63 per cent believing the war should continue until the Iranian regime falls, counting both Jews and Arabs
- the vast majority of Israelis still support the war in Gaza. Previously a plurality did not believe the war went “far enough”
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EliteKill2 days ago
+7
Thinking that Israel's geopolitics start and end with Iran is why your line of thinking is completely stupid.
Yiu have no idea what you're taking about - the concensus vs Iran is because it is a fundamental theocracy actively seeking to destroy Israel. Of course most people support this war.
But Israeli geopolitics is also the relationships with the US, Europe, Palestinians, neighboring Arab countries, gulf states... There's a huge variety that you're just not taking into account and so you are spewing nonsense.
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transval2 days ago
+5
There is not one Israeli Jewish Party which is more fundamentally moderate on these issues than Likud.
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transval2 days ago
+4
No it’s pretty correct. The only Israeli Jewish politician opposed to the war is Ofer Cassif.
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Illustrious-Low-70382 days ago
+60
The only thing this war did was embolden Iran. After a string of defeats in the 10/7 attacks, the loss of Syria and the 12 day war, it managed to eke out a clear victory against Israel and the US.
No amount of infiltration could topple the regime. Not even the assassination of every single senior figure led to a coup or revolution. Even then the IRGC managed to take away the Strait of Hormuz. Iran didnt just survive, it got stronger.
Netanyahu clearly made it worse for everyone. The world knows he egged Trump to start this fiasco and what was once an Israeli wet dream is now everyones nightmare.
For me, i hate that this strengthened the IRGC. The IRGC would probably intensify its state capture and it would most likely be now an army with a country. An oil rich and toll imposing country at that. This sucks.
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Drongo172 days ago
+12
I think you are correct. If I was an Israeli I doubt I'd be feeling safer now than before this operation. Netanyahu has to be answerable to the strategic situation he has fostered.
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Illustrious-Low-70382 days ago
+12
Netanyahu was a geopolitical gambler whod been in a 20 year hot streak and it just ended. This is his first real loss. There's no public or international sympathy. Everyone knew he did this because he wants to get out of his corruption trial. It worked before because Israel kept winning. Now they lost and he's trying to compensate by taking everything south of the Litani River.
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Spudtron982 days ago
+11
His biggest mistake was expecting Trump to not f*** it up disastrously.
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funderfulfellow2 days ago
+21
The man has completely ruined Israel's already fragile reputation.
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seab10102 days ago
+44
Under the cover of this Hormuz panic Israel has quietly taken about 10% of Lebanon which will probably be annexed whilst degrading their chief adversary’s military capability and wiping out much of the leadership. They’re massive winners from this.
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Drongo172 days ago
+30
Short term I'd say you're right, the capabilities of Iran and their affiliates has been massively degraded.
Longer term, Israel's role in the world could end up very different and possibly not for the better. This war appears to be the nail in the coffin for US power in its current form. How Israel will be supported (or not) by USA, Russia, and EU going forward is unclear to me. Iran also seems like it has options to regenerate that could make them an existential threat again in future.
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EndOfDecadence2 days ago
+3
If the IRGC stays in place I think chances are huge they will make nukes as soon as possible. Iran was always operating under the threat of developing a nuke, instead of having an actual arsenal. I would be really surprised if they make this mistake for a third time.
In a couple of years we will just read about some earthquakes that have distinct nuclear weapons signatures, and that will be it. They have shown the world what the cost of escalation is, which we will be feeling for the coming years.
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NeilFowell2 days ago
+4
It can’t be a negotiation unless both sides have conflicting demands. I have to say Iran has come out of this politically better than Trump and I now see the Israeli opposition see a chance to slam their PM so things are changing for the better
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WalksTheMeats2 days ago
+5
He got slammed, that's how you know it's real.
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MikeSteamer2 days ago
+4
Strategic failure for Israel but not for Bibi. He is in charge and not in prison so looks like a win to me from his perspective. Same for Trump.
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pq113332 days ago
+7
Add the amount of PTSD in anti regimers in Iran from the last 6 weeks of no sleep and you pretty much flipped the mindset of that country.
Oh add the fact that all the good air defense systems were pulled from neighbouring countries by the US and moved to Israel, ya, what a BOTCH of a war.
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Rami-9612 days ago
+18
They launched 100 bombings in Lebanon under 10 minutes just now. Massive number of casualties and destruction.
But it's ok. Israel gets to break ceasfires, they never face consequences.
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moriartyj2 days ago
+3
I would not be too quick to eulogize Netanyahu. Especially by the Israeli opposition who is in tatters with infighting. The guy is a gifted demagogue and plays the political game very well. He has been eulogized before many times and every time he comes back stronger and more extreme by picking the most incompetent fascist political partners. Kinda like Trump. I say this as someone who had voted and protested against him countless times - I will only celebrate when he's voted out.
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Master-Rent50502 days ago
+5
There is only one person whose opinion of Israel counts: the US president. Bibi has make his reputation with POTUS stronger than ever: he has shown that with a democratic president he can do whatever he wants and still get unlimited military support, and with a republican president he can even have USA join two wars started by him. Which other Israeli prime minister could claim as much?
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Spazicon2 days ago
+6
A win for the Iranian regime. They forced the most powerful nation in the world to the negotiation table.
Paradoxically, a win for Ukraine because the price of Russian oil will drop.
I wonder if more people in the United States will start questioning our lavish support for Israel?
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Ok_Flan44042 days ago
+2
Screw him!!!
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probablyNotARSNBot2 days ago
+2
Oh man I’m so glad he finally got slammed, now we can all go home
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Mrs_SmithG2W2 days ago
+2
The good people of the world must rise up and resist this evil everywhere it occurs with every thing we have.
💪🏼🌍🖖🏼
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ceemeebonnie2 days ago
+2
Biting off more than he can chew, he obviously was not paying attention while watching the "Bubba" videos.
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Agreeable-Race88182 days ago
+2
You’d be surprised. The country bumpkins of Israel are a gift that keep on giving
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rasmusdf2 days ago
+4
Old authoritarian men who wants to stay in power and out of jail, starting wars. So repetitive & tiring.
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TwoBionicknees2 days ago
+4
Why is anyone talking about it like a political disaster or strategy failure. HE'S. A. MURDERER.
he orchestrated the murder of thousands of people in Iran because he's a warmongering, cololianist who wants to take over the region.
Every step of his politics is awful. he didn't make alittle political blunder, he committed yet another war crime. The criticism should not be political, but human, people should be calling him to account of the war crimes of making up this same bullshit threat of "they're about to get nuclear weapons" as an excuse to murder people.
Calling it a strategic failure implies that done another way if it had gone well then murdering people for personal gain is in any way acceptable.
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speminfortunam2 days ago
+3
The world must not forgive Israel if they sabotage this peace.
For as much as the actions of IRCG and its proxies are terroristic and abhorrent, Israel's readiness to perpetuate the cycle - increasingly to the wider world's detriment - needs to be called out, and firm actions taken.
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crazyfatskier22 days ago
+4
Israel will never see my sympathy or support for the rest of my life. Trump and Netanyahu have caused this and need to be held accountable.
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FantasticPangolin8392 days ago
+3
I suppose they’re antisemitic too then for criticising Bibi?
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Foxman_Noir2 days ago
+2
Persia, the graveyard of empires.
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Eleven_Box2 days ago
-1
Is there no politician in israel who consider like… not doing war crimes? Why are they criticising him for being shit and not for being a war criminal
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beavis6172 days ago
+2
Why is this piece of garbage still in power? What’s wrong with these people? They keep finding ways to make sure he’s still PM. idiots!
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lpjayy122 days ago
+1
Too bad so sad
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JohnBPrettyGood2 days ago
+1
Political Disaster!!! Strategic Failure!!!!
Therre seems to be a lot of that going around lately
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