Italy ruling tells millions with Italian roots they have lost the right to citizenship | CNN

TIL that I can get British citizenship. My grandmother is from Liverpool

This is why I’m trying to hurry for my Canadian citizenship. They could change the rules at any moment.

That isn't true. You generally can't get citizenship from a grandparent it can only go one generation. There were changes, and there is a loophole where the old laws were unfair. Using this it is possible your parents should have been citizens or able to be but old unfair laws stopped it. You can claim using this, but technically you are claiming because of your grandparents impact on your parents, not because of your connection to the grandparent. Unless I missed something at the time, which is possible the laws can be a mess in that area.

Oh. Wait. I didn’t know this. I was born in 81 and my grandpa was born in England …

Why do this with an aging population? Even worse young population leaving the country as well

New Jersey on suicide watch

Don’t worry they have their Trump merch to cry in to. 

Nothing brings a Conservative greater joy than pulling up the ladder they just climbed

That was also his first and only time in Rome, and his sister also got it that same day (Karina Milei)

I'm brazilian myself, and worked for a company based in a city full of stereotypical italian descendants. It was boring to hear everybody talk about how their citizenship was progressing and how they wanted to go to Portugal, so they didn't need to learn another language.

Venezuelans too!

They're all over Europe. Claim a country, get citizenship, work in another country of the EU ez pz 

mama mia

I felt a great disturbance in the Forza, as if millions of voices in New Jersey suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

A former friend of mine is a Trump supporter but loved to rub in that if things went bad he could just get Italian citizenship. Made this a satisfying read.

"Lost the citizenship...kept the cannoli" -Tony Soprano

Me. The Italian-American living in Tokyo who applied for Italian citizenship three years ago. Cannoli just fell into my sushi bowl. I genuinely hope this doesn’t mess things up for people who are already in the pipeline.

Gobbled their last gool.

Right into his gabagool

Where were you when citizenship is kill I was at home eating plate of gagabool when phone ring. Citizenship is kill No

His fault for trying to eat too many cannoli at once

Before Brexit 2016 I assume

Even with this new law it is still possible. Grand grandparent, not anymore

On a side note, we're gonna have way less south americans in Serie A from now on. Clubs had it easy for the non EU spots

I am a naturalized Spanish citizen and I work at a public office, I’ve seen soooo many Venezuelan and Argentinian people (born and certainly raised, judging by their accent) who have Italian citizenship

Well, Italians flooded south America during and post WW and they were welcomed. The descendants of those Italians had the right (by law) to become Italian citizens. European countries tend to forget their citizens were welcomed in almost every country, and then stopped honoring their citizens descendants rights.

Also, many Brazilians (I'm Brazilian, by the way) apply for Italian or Portuguese citizenship not only for eventual residency, but also (and mostly, in my opinion) for visa-free travel to countries like Canada, Australia and, especially, the US (where applying for a visa is notoriously expensive, time-consuming and even embarrassing, while US tourists traveling to Brazil only need an e-visa).

I had my application in Germany delayed for a year and a half back in 2017 when they allowed people with ties to Germany through their maternal side apply. Almost all of the new requests were from Brazil lol, I don’t know how they’re so on top of it

Yeah I'd be okay with this if the Americans who obtained citizenship this way came here to live and contribute to the country. Instead it's only a small fraction since most go to Spanish or Portuguese speaking areas as they don't actually speak Italian. In my city there are many Peruvians though, I wonder wheter they're citizens or not.

In Argentina it's seen as simple reciprocity. The country received literally millions of Italians and Spanish citizens with open arms when their countries were under the yoke of war and poverty throughout the early and mid 1900s. They went there looking for a better future for themselves and their families. Today, it is the sons and grandsons of those people who are looking for a better future. Doesn't it sound unfair to deny them that?

This law is still not strict enough. Loads of people that do not know any italian, never set foot in Italy, know nothing about the culture, will get a free italian and thus european passport. To me that’s crazy. Meanwhile a friend of mine, moved from Moldova to Italy when it was a very young kid. Has done all the schools and uni in Italy, worked in Italy, completely and fully italian in speaking and culture. And he managed to grt the citizenship at like 23 years old. And it was not a smooth process. Things that just don’t make sense.

>Once I've even had a Brazilian couple who spoke no Italian come to vote for the regional elections, I was the only person on site that spoke English and I'm not even supposed to explain the running parties for bias reasons. This is a very critical point. I lived in Germany for some time and it is German law that official documents and interactions be in German to avoid complex legal misunderstandings. It’s basically a liability issue if a government employee speaks to you in a language besides the native language due to the chances of mistranslation. I imagine this to be the same in Italy where Italian can only be spoken when dealing with bureaucratic matters, and maybe it’s not as strict as it is in Germany but I definitely see dealing with several groups of people who don’t speak Italian can become a liability legally speaking.

First thing I thought of. Good luck to Italy in future WBC, Olympics, etc.

Barcelona is full of argentinians with Italian nationality that have never lived in Italy

Most of the disdain appears directed to South Americans though if we're honest. 

I am an Italian who studied abroad, and I met more South Americans with italian citizenships while studying than italians. i am not lying edit: sud -> south

But why did they have to use an emergency order to change this, instead of going through the proper legal procedure? That is what makes me suspicious of the whole thing. New governments getting into power and using "emergencies" to make rapid, significant changes like this without the normal pushback.

Milei (argentinas president) got his citizenship in 1 day during his first trip to rome.

I got it in three months, living in Italy for that time only, and when I had never been in the country before. Just because my great grandfather was born In Italy in 1898. On top of that, it costed me only 18 euros the procedure (marca de bollo). It was very unfair indeed to ppl like your partner. But one cannot blame us looking for a better life either, especially when it was completely legal.

Speaking from very recent US experience: making the citizenship process more difficult for some people doesn't make it any easier or more sane for others. Especially when it's being undertaken by folks who are sympathetic to fascism.

Coverage is low quality. Any quick reference material checking will fix the mistake that Court of Cassation is above the Constitutional court. And the way they spinned this story is unprofessional

This will be severely underrated comment. 😂

Yeah, speaking as someone who used to qualify but not anymore, I think it was idiotic too. The fact that I could've gotten italian citizenship because my great-great grandfather who left in ***1892*** was italian always seemed stupid. That's like if one of my descendants tried to get british citizenship in ***2158***

Born in the USA Italian father and grandfather who emigrated after the first and before the second WWs. Never saw a need to get citizenship as I never had plans to live there. The use of citizenship to get to the EU always seemed a dishonest loophole to exploit. Always a special place to me as it’s my father’s place of birth. But what is my fathers is not mine to claim.

Months ????? I made an appointment which took 2 years and then the consulate sat in my documents for 21 months before the law changed and they rejected me. 4+ years I was working toward my recognition only to then be rejected because someone changed the laws while the consulate sat on my documents. So frustrating.

How you doin

And now they removed the hurdles for the people that paid taxes, right?

This is a legitimate issue, but it’s also bitterly ironic that certain European nations flooded the Americas with droves of immigrants seeking a better life, and then get angry when their descendants want to return for the same reason.

That is a problem, because what if the countries where the immigrants are from don't give citizenship to children who are born there? Most of the old world determines citizenship by parents (*jus sanguinis*,) where the new world determines it by birthplace (*jus soli*) and parents.

I live in Barcelona, according to official statistics Italians are the biggest group of foreigners here. In reality it's Argentinians and Brazilians who probably never set a foot in Italy and don't speak a word of Italian.

Yes, but then countries need to consider how it impacts the Schengen Agreement and do tighter screening up front rather than opening side-door policies for people abusing free movement.

This isn’t for people with an Italian parent who lives in Italy, right? Isn’t this for people who were trying to get citizenship through their grandparents?

Can you blame them tho? Italy is a bleak, low paying, bureaucratic, nepotistic and failing country still riding on its former glory days. Who would want to stay? >All of this was totally unfair to the Jus soli Italian-born and raised sons and daughters of people who immigrated to Italy, settled, and contribute to the economy. I can't see how this is the case if they don't even stay in Italy? They aren't taking any jobs there and actually there is quite a lucrative market for lawyers. Yes they did flood the system but this just highlighted how absurdly bureaucratic and inefficient the system already is, here are 3 examples from the top of my head: 1. Spent 5 hours trying to get SPID as an Italian living abroad registered in AIRE, they requested a validated Codice Fiscale document. In one tab of the system it says I was registered, in the other one of the exact same system says I wasn't registered so I couldn't do the process, no option to contact anyone for help 🤷‍♂️ 2. Getting my citizenship in Italy, filled the form in the post office, there is an explicit checkbox about requesting an extension of the stay for that specific process. Arrived at the booked appointment to the police station and the lady immediately dismissed me saying that reason for the extension didn't exist, I questioned her about it and she said "You come to my country and you want to teach me the law?" and proceeds to hand me a paper saying I have to leave the country in 30 days. My citizenship confirmation arrived 1 week later in the comune. 3. Requesting my mother's ricongiungimento familiare, a man in the comune asks for a crazy amount of documents that have to be validated, translated and stamped, refuses to listen to us as we say that nowhere in the government website could we see all those documents listed and reschedules the appointment 6 months ahead. The new guy asked for only 3 documents and while chatting he got pissed asking to know who the previous guy was. If things were better in Italy people would stay, it's as simple as that. As long as each comune asks for a different set of documents for the same process you will have an absurdly bureaucratic system, it's as simple as that.