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News & Current Events Apr 6, 2026 at 10:11 AM

Italy to postpone shutdown of coal-powered plants by 13 years

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requiem_mn 4 days ago +49
Well, I just checked on: [https://globalenergymonitor.org/projects/global-coal-plant-tracker/tracker/](https://globalenergymonitor.org/projects/global-coal-plant-tracker/tracker/) about the situation in Italy. They have 2 coal power plants, both on island of Sardinia. That is peanuts compared to other, similarly sized countries in the EU (Germany with something like 30, Poland also, even France is at 2, and Spain at 1). Outside EU, UK did kill its last coal power plant. Italy does use a lot of gas for electricity, so its understandable move. I do hope that the whole Hormuz thing leads to even faster adoption of renewables.
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macrolidesrule 4 days ago +12
Best the lobbyists have to offer is increased dependence on US petroleum products and LNG.
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letskeepthiscivil 4 days ago +3
I really hope so.
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Hat_Maverick 4 days ago +6
Sunny a majority of the year. 14 hrs of sunlight even in winter. If only they had a panel that could use that
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ADenseGuy 4 days ago +4
In Italy, as if. There is so much antiscientific terrorism no one wants to risk losing votes by proposing anything that might inconvenience some sectors. 
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Reasonable-Oil7707 4 days ago +84
Every country loves announcing climate deadlines right up until the next energy shock shows up. Pushing a 2025 coal exit to 2038 is the kind of “temporary realism” that somehow keeps lasting a very long time.
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IntelArtiGen 4 days ago +19
Don't worry, there will surely absolutely not be new energy shocks before 2038. Everything will turn out fine, and peace will reign throughout the world, which is an absolute prerequisite for the success of these plans lol.
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8andahalfby11 4 days ago +7
Just in time for the 32-bit crash.
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catscanmeow 4 days ago +4
im confused, is this a 2048 joke?
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MiserableTennis6546 4 days ago +3
There’s no way these plants will run for thirteen years. EU industry can’t practically emit any co2 after 2039 and the ets price will spike long before that, making fossil power totally unprofitable. This is just an emergency measure. For context: [https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/](https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/)
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Fractal_Tomato 4 days ago +2
Watch how EVP and the far-right parties will drag the EU away from that goal. Governments like Germany’s and Italy‘s are already betting on that.
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MiserableTennis6546 4 days ago +1
It's not really a goal, it's a cap and trade auction system with a continuously decreasing number of allowances that sets the price of emissions. It's much harder to walk back on purpose.  There are changes coming anyway,because all industries might not be able to decarbonize completely and might need ccs, but they won't be able to remove it. They might get some easing.
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MiserableTennis6546 4 days ago +1
They're going to try, but it's not really a goal, it's a cap and trade auction system for carbon pricing with a continuous decrease of allowances. It's way harder to walk back than a political goal and it's made that way on purpose. There will have to be changes in any case but I don't think they'll get what they want.
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sanderudam 4 days ago +9
Every single coal fired powerplant in EU is part of the EU ETS system, which is a cap-and-trade system. It literally does not matter if a power plant is operational or not, the total GHG emissions will not change, as they are regulated by the cap. One of the core ideas behind the EU ETS was to remove specific climate policy decisions from politicians. So that climate policy is not directed by politicians deciding if a particular power plant or steel mill is allowed to continue or needs to shut down. This cap-and-trade system makes such political decisions irrelevant. The cap is what matters.
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MiserableTennis6546 4 days ago +4
In other words, these plants plant are still doomed. They will only become more and more unprofitable to operate and will inevitably shut down. This can’t be anything else than a short term emergency measure.
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aquaticwatcher 5 days ago +44
Not surprising given the Iran situation with LNP. No one wants to be 2023 Germany dependent on resource they can't get due to war. 
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iuuznxr 4 days ago +19
It was 2022 and Germany was only slightly above EU average in terms of Russian gas consumption (Italy was EU average) and all the sensational statistics that show Germany importing huge amounts of gas from Russia ignore that Germany is the biggest country in Europe and that it was also a major gas hub, where half of the gas got exported again.
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Few_Advisor3536 4 days ago +5
Germany also shut down their nuclear powerplants whilst keeping fossil fuel ones going in an anti nuclear agenda. Bone head move.
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iuuznxr 4 days ago +6
What does it have to do with what I said? Germany neither used much gas nor nuclear power for electricity generation, so the story Listnook tries to tell with this is utterly bogus. The nuclear power plants were replaced by renewables, gas imports stayed the same. Not to mention that 2022 showed Russia has the tightest grip on the nuclear energy sector, so all in all Germany gained energy independence.
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National_Lynx2476 4 days ago +17
>The move signals the willingness of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's right-wing government to dial down anti-climate ​change policies in the face of growing energy supply ​challenges triggered by the conflict in Iran. Bullshit, they saw a opportunity and took it. It's a excuse, not a reason.
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letskeepthiscivil 4 days ago +9
God forbid someone did more solar in a country with 300 days of sun on average. Of course there is ton of gas power plants, they just need to import it, right?
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EricLFC 4 days ago +2
Solar is not a replacement, it's merely a support for a separate stable energy source. If anything, they should be renovating the coal plants into nuclear ones. The process is not rare
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Pie_sky 4 days ago +5
This is stupid, you cannot renovate a coal plant and turn it into a nuclear power plant. You would demolish the old one first. Besides solar with battery storage is already competitive with regular plants especially in Italy.
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Ghaith97 4 days ago +4
> This is stupid, you cannot renovate a coal plant and turn it into a nuclear power plant. [I guess China missed your lecture on the topic.](https://www.repower.world/news/from-coal-to-nuclear-chinas-strategy-to-accelerate-the-energy-transition)
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Special_Ad712 4 days ago +6
It’s a study from a university that says it is possible that only works with high temp HTGR reactors. And it’s fairly likely that building a new plant will end up cheaper than renovating an old plant. 
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EricLFC 4 days ago -1
Look it up. There's several well documented processes for this with a few examples. And again, solar is not terrible as an energy source, but it can never be your primary source. Just look at the disaster that happened in Spain and southern France because of it
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lamBerticus 4 days ago -3
>Besides solar with battery storage is already competitive with regular plants especially in Italy. It's not available at scale if you are talking countries fam.
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differing 4 days ago +3
It’s crazy that Italy was one of the first places to use geothermal power, yet they have done little with it over the last century.
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Namastebruh 5 days ago +13
Woo hoo! There's no global warming because science is a myth!
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life_is_a_show 4 days ago +2
They had a really good solar and battery storage incentive here, but diluted it down so now homeowners have to finance new installations (negating a lot of the benefit financially) or you have to plop down 20k up front and get the tax breaks over 10 years. My contractor friend said it slowed the program and to a crawl
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hoopparrr759 5 days ago +2
Excellent…
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Loose_Skill6641 4 days ago +1
that's trump
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Wonderful-Pause1048 4 days ago +1
Goal: quick money; -> short-term thinking
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d_bfighter 2 days ago +1
To be able to think long term you need to survive short term first, if not there is no point
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nsfwthrowaway5969 4 days ago +1
Exactly the same comment written by different accounts in here. Really shows how many bots are around nowadays
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SeniorrChief 4 days ago +1
Reality hits hard.
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ReflectionUnlucky172 4 days ago -2
Nuclear is the future
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IntelArtiGen 4 days ago +6
Coal is the future in Italy, they banned nuclear energy for 40 years I think. Even if they've reversed it recently, it would take probably 20 years to build new reactors. Nuclear is "a" future, the sooner they start the better but it won't be coming fast.
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letskeepthiscivil 4 days ago -5
Nuclear is the future if you can trust the Govt with your life and are sure there is little corruption.
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IntelArtiGen 4 days ago +4
Even if you can't it's still more the future than fossil fuels anyway. The problem is just the time to build new reactors, and the time to have the skills to do it if you don't have them yet (or if you haven't built for 10+ years). Fun fact: The fastest-built large reactor was constructed in 4 years at Zaporijia NPP in Ukraine. Not-fun-fact: Ukraine doesn't have the best reputation in nuclear safety (though it was a VVER and they're very safe compared to RBMK / Chernobyl).
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letskeepthiscivil 4 days ago
For Italy it would take years to find a place where people or the local government won't protest the construction, that's years of debates before you even start. So probably 15-20 years until construction is all done, in a country with tons of scandals of delay, waste and fraud when it comes to construction projects, so probably 3-4 times the projected cost by the end of it. Than you have all the problems due to lack of trust in the Govt (which is why I said that before), which maybe you don't NEED as a general rule but it IS a problem in Italy: you have to select a place to handle the waste (Italy still doesn't have a national repository for \*medical\* radioactive waste because of local oppositions and distrust), then you have to select a contractor to handle the waste disposal (and pray they are not corrupted, mob adjacent or just stupid enough so that they can handle the waste properly) then you have to control everything (waste, power plants, people backgrounds for workers) and trust that the controls are done properly (or done at all, or that the controllers aren't just bribed to look the other way). Solar could be built a lot faster. Italy has less solar than Germany, and 300 days of sun a year on average. My city has frequent blackouts during the day in summer because people have AC on, and often droughts for weeks or months because there's too much sun. I'm not saying 100% solar, I'm not saying 0% natural gas or even nuclear. I'm saying that there is a lot that can be improved even before nuclear could come online, and I think that a LOT of local opposition to nuclear is because of lack of trust in the Govt, its inspections and its private contractors (so \*often\* it's not because people are prejudiced against nuclear energy, or don't trust Science or don't know the new tech is safer). My personal solution would be an EU agency for nuclear energy with standardized models for power plants (I've read that South Korea saves tons of money this way) and with inspectors controlled and selected at an European level so that local corruption can't pressure them. Maybe people would trust this system more, I think I would. At that point with people's trust you could start seeing a lot more NPPs in the EU, Italy included. PS: Italy still has some know-how on reactors and plants because its energy sector has built some NPP in Eastern Europe, I think.
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IntelArtiGen 4 days ago +2
> you have to select a place to handle the waste (Italy still doesn't have a national repository for *medical* radioactive waste because of local oppositions and distrust), then you have to select a contractor to handle the waste disposal (and pray they are not corrupted, mob adjacent or just stupid enough so that they can handle the waste properly) then you have to control everything (waste, power plants, people backgrounds for workers) and trust that the controls are done properly (or done at all, or that the controllers aren't just bribed to look the other way). Tbh I hope they simply delegate most of this to France where it should clearly be easier and more organized. > Solar could be built a lot faster. Italy has less solar than Germany Which is totally stupid for Europe tbh, solar panels could produce much more in Italy than in Germany and Europe is very poorly organized for energy. European countries should cooperate more. > My personal solution would be an EU agency for nuclear energy with standardized models for power plants I'm french and personally I absolutely don't trust the EU on anything related to nuclear energy. Even recently they probed the way we wanted to pay for our future nuclear reactors. They asked countries like Bulgaria to shutdown their NPPs before entering the EU. They even refused to consider nuclear energy as "green energy" at first, while they wanted to include fossil fuels = natural gas. I trust cooperation among EU member states, but I don't trust EU agencies that would be under the Commission’s control. Most EU agencies are anti-nuclear and I would never accept them to decide on these things at least for us. Now if some countries (italy, germany etc.) want to create their own nuclear power plants, they can do it, but I hope they try to learn from the experience of European countries that are already developing such plans: UK, France, Finland, Sweden etc. I think the best plan would just be for France to send its own design to all european countries, this, or to build VVER (but sadly it's a russian design, though ukrainians and some eastern european countries work with it). The worst thing is that it started like that 20 years ago. At first the current french design "EPR" = "European Pressurized Reactor" was a cooperation between France and Germany. But Germany left the project. Now this EPR is still European: UK and Finland are building it or built it. But the 1st version was way too complicated so France designed an EPR2, which is what we're going to build, thanks to the experience we got. I'd highly recommend to either build that, or VVER, or something which is very similar to these two, so that failure is not an option and the risk is reduced. You have to copy an existing design / system to be efficient.
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Spright91 4 days ago +2
Expensive
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Giant_Flapjack 4 days ago -1
Exactly. That means there is tons of profit to make, so it will be done.
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Wolferesque 4 days ago
Solar + battery storage is a fraction of the cost and does not come with the theoretical/perceived risks of nuclear.
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CroGamer002 4 days ago
We can literally do both and we need to do both.
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Wolferesque 4 days ago
Personally I’m all for it, but the economic case is much, much stronger for Solar and battery than for nuclear, judging by current costs and the amount of private investment going into solar.
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Loose_Skill6641 4 days ago -1
did Greta approve the rolling coal?
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AnxiousPacifist 5 days ago -3
Someone ping Greta!
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DifferentSquirrel551 4 days ago -8
Earth's breathable oxygen runs out in about 150 years either way. That's the only deadline any country need to worry about considering climate change. Too little too late mate. 
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AdFeeling842 4 days ago +9
>Earth's breathable oxygen runs out in about 150 years eh, where did you learn that? 
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derjarjarbinks 4 days ago +6
??? The study, published in Nature Geoscience, found the future lifespan of Earth's oxygen-rich atmosphere is 1 billion years. [https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/news/earth-run-out-of-oxygen](https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/news/earth-run-out-of-oxygen) [https://www.space.com/billion-years-from-now-oxygen-lack-wipes-out-life-on-earth](https://www.space.com/billion-years-from-now-oxygen-lack-wipes-out-life-on-earth)
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bjjtriangle 4 days ago +5
150 years? That is not how it works lol
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StrangerConscious637 4 days ago -3
Coalidiots
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