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Fact-Rat Apr 6, 2026 +419

Let me guess wealth inequality has ruined young peoples chance of ever having kids so the governments solution is to bring in c**** Labor to prop up the wealthy and drive wages even further down forcing them to have even less kids.

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BanoBerry Apr 6, 2026 +92

Are we talking about my home Canada? Crazy how many places have the same problems using the same 'solution'

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Emergency-Style7392 Apr 6, 2026 +48

Careful, you might get called racist by people that claim to haite billionaires but support policies that hurt the working class in favor of the rich

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CartersPlain Apr 6, 2026 +3

They hated central banks during occupy, so naturally they elected a central banker with ties to the most ghoulish investment firms.

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PolitelyHostile Apr 6, 2026 +1

I dont think the general population as a whole was much into the occupy movement. Some NDP voters went for Carney because PP is just that awful. But overall, it was the centrists and timid leftists who voted for Carney. Plus the NDP doesn't deserve the left-wing vote simply by calling themselves left-wing. They still need good policies.

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[deleted] Apr 7, 2026 -5

What is awful about PP? Or are you just parroting NDP talking points?

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PolitelyHostile Apr 7, 2026 +4

Lmao he's just a culture warrior. Not a serious politician and he knows f*** all about economics. He wanted to make Canada the 'Bitcoin capital of the world'. He also criticized the liberals for inflation from one side of his mouth while using the other side of his mouth to criticize them for not stopping the BoC from raising interest rates.

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hairyballscratcher Apr 6, 2026 -4

Hey but elbows up or something right? Surely the guy who dropped our interest rates to 0% and printed money like crazy when we didn’t need to, and then kept the rates near 0 during his whole tenure at the bank of Canada, has our best interests in mind. I mean, we already built the million homes he promised right? And like he said last week it’s the most affordable it’s ever been! Hurray liberals forever…. Let’s do a Punjabi dance to celebrate the great success

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Fact-Rat Apr 7, 2026 +5

Was talking about the entire west but Australia specifically because this is what is happening here.

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Benedikto0 Apr 6, 2026 +3

YES! I work as a supervisor for a call centre for a financial institution. ALL of our employees are not Africans (they speak English and French and are willing to work for a smaller salary) and about 1/3rd of our clients are immigrants who have a hard time speaking French or English. I am incredibly worried for Canada. Italy will import workers and eventually, they will start voting and well, it is gonna go to shit.

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Gooser3000 Apr 8, 2026 +2

Norway, Finland, Sweden, , Denmark don’t fall for this bullshit. They keep their immigration low and their culture preserved and have high quality of life for their citizens.

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Effective-Hornet-737 Apr 8, 2026 +5

Sweden is a disaster, Denmark and Finland maybe

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

lol what Not only is this false, but they've been cutting welfare, cutting taxes for the rich, cutting social housing, their birth rates keep falling

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aReasonableStick Apr 9, 2026 +1

Because thats the solution the west have been using for decades to prop up their economy and pensions in spite of their youth. The right-wings tend to think that pro-migration is a left-wing thought but its really not because migration like the west have seen only really benefits the wealthy (the people who own the companies and corporations) and the pensioners.

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Dull-Restaurant6395 Apr 6, 2026 +17

Why do countries with a high wealth inequality still have high birthrates?

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Unrigg3D Apr 6, 2026 +30

Because educated people often want to make sure their kids have all the resources possible and this causes people to make sacrifices like having less kids. Educated parents are also less likely to view child labour positively. In less educated places kids are a commodity, having more means a bigger workforce, more resources can be generated in the future and there's also a higher risk of death so often you'd want to have more to increase your chances of success. Parents in these places don't care about the nuances we consider "proper child care". Child labour is not a choice here it's another step in living. The goal is they live long enough to start working and providing for the family

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BeautyInUgly Apr 6, 2026 +25

because the more money someone makes the less likely they are to have children, and the listnook solutions to these problems which is always "give me more money!" don't actually fix anything. In every single country in the entire world, the more eduated and rich people get the less likely they are to have children, and the less rich and educated they are the more likely they are to have children A big part of it is education makes people realize that there is more to life than just having children and people want vacations, relaxation, self actulization etc that are much harder with kids so they give up. If we want people to have children + still maintain the quality of life in society then we need to do a lot more in making it a "better deal"

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PolitelyHostile Apr 6, 2026 +2

The hard truth no one wants to admit is that having more than 2 kids kinda sucks. And more than 3 is insane. Yet many couples need to be having 3+ kids to sustain the replacement rate. It's unethical and bad to just ban birth control but without doing so, we need radical measures to encourage couples to have more kids.

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Tossawaysfbay Apr 6, 2026 +1

Do they? Most of the high wealth countries have birthrates below the replacement rate.

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Tankette55 Apr 8, 2026 +3

Yes! J******!

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WhiteGiukio Apr 8, 2026 +5

How could you guess? Shockingly, neither turning against migrants is working! And we are witnessing even cultural tensions! Who could foresee that? Unbelievable.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

Dw they'll still vote for the Right because stupidity

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WhiteGiukio Apr 8, 2026 +2

Yes, of course. To be fair we must also say that "the left" here doesn't address the shortcomings of global capitalism.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

The communists absolutely do

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -19

Did you expect the Right to resolve wealth inequality?

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Fact-Rat Apr 6, 2026 +35

Dunno, I don't live there but in Australia. It's the right wing who have flooded our country with immigration, pushing property to unobtanium and wages down along with tax policies that massively favor the investor class over the working class. The right wing here that have sold us out, in fact both major parties have.

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WannabeACICE Apr 6, 2026 -6

Lmao. This is why education is important. Otherwise, you end up thinking immigration is the cause of the housing crisis or wealth inequality.

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fantasnick Apr 6, 2026 -2

You can find these comments at the bottom of every post with horrible grammar and zero advanced comprehension The worst thing is that they’re becoming less and less unpopular

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WannabeACICE Apr 6, 2026 -1

It’s crazy because it only requires the slightest amount of critical thinking and education to refute, yet people somehow still buy into it.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -10

And now their donors have gone to One Nation Anyway, Australia has a long history of immigration, remember the Ten Pound Poms

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ckhaulaway Apr 6, 2026 +13

Until the 70's Australia was something like 99% white.

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BradmanBreast Apr 6, 2026 +17

Australia was never 99% white, they just kept changing what being ‘white’ was. At first they added the Scottish, then the Irish and Italians, later the Greeks, Croats and Serbs before finally accepting the Lebanese. Every single one of these ethnicities faced persecution prior to being accepted as the norm. Even then repeating this garbage is erasing the now 6th generation Australian Chinese population.

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hari_shevek Apr 6, 2026 +7

White people in Australia are immigrants

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ObservingTheDrama Apr 6, 2026 +1

Said like all the arrogant troublemaking Indians in Australia who are so desperate to flee their top super india

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hari_shevek Apr 6, 2026 +1

The truth of a statement does not depend on who says it, and attacking the person who says it only proves you can't counter the claim. White people migrated to Australia.

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ObservingTheDrama Apr 7, 2026 +2

Not attacking, merely pointing out deception tactics in relevant context by a group known for deception. It is very true that what you wrote is commonly by indians to silence speech on their hostile habits. White Aussie history is known, it does not excuse indian entitlement to that land. Aboriginals agree with that. Not surprised you try to detract from that key point, I see that lame tactic all the time. It does not work.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

Aboriginals don't agree with that.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 +2

Yes, I just talked about One Pound Poms Until the 70s, Australia had a white only policy Is it about immigration or race

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Fact-Rat Apr 6, 2026 -4

One nation party are not the answer, yet that doesn't mean we should have a big Australia.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -2

Just build up

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Zanahoria132 Apr 6, 2026 +1

Very unequal countries still have high fertility rates

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BeautyInUgly Apr 6, 2026 -3

This is a dumb argument that keeps being repeated on listnook, the more money and education someone gets the less likely they are to have children, if you wanted people to have more kids increasing their wages won't help and will do the opposite, instead you should ban them from being educated and limit their wages. The truth is, this is happening because a lot of women and young people realize that having a kid is just a bad deal, you waste your youth and spend so much energy and you arent really getting anything in return if you want people to have children you need to make it a better deal for those young people and that's much more than just wages or education.

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CavulusDeCavulei Apr 8, 2026 +2

Your argument makes no sense because Italy has some of the lowest percentage of degrees in young population in western europe but the worst fertility As someone who is living there, it's the low wages,high cost of living and unstable work that destroy fertility. The moment a couple gets house and two good jobs in their late 20s, they start popping out children here. It is just that simple

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

whatever, they'll still vote for the Right I'm tired of taking these people seriously

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Local-Echo-5613 Apr 6, 2026

Wild that destitute migrants can succeed in Italy but Italians can’t, despite speaking the language as their mother tongue and having more rights and services. Are you sure it isn’t that rich people are squeezing everyone and blaming vulnerable populations like they always do?

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Thisisforgamesstuff Apr 6, 2026 +52

Is that good news?

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InteractionWide3369 Apr 8, 2026 +7

No, not at all.

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StarblindMark89 Apr 6, 2026 +1

For future pensioners, probably, the situation there is fucked

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gym_fun Apr 6, 2026

Depends on the composition of immigrants and their work. Policymakers will make practical decisions based on the population pyramid. Also, lump or labor is a fallacy in practice.

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FoST2015 Apr 6, 2026 +209

And all ethnic Italians will welcome this news.

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San-A Apr 6, 2026 -80

They have no choice if they want a pension when they retire Edit - why am I being downvoted?

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026 +78

A lot of migrants come from poor countries oppressed by wars and as such they are willing to accept illegal jobs. This kind of jobs will not fund pensions because they are usually "hidden" and their boss does not pay taxes for them. The paradox is that by accepting these illegal conditions, the owners of the company hire on purpose migrants instead of Italians. This doesn't help pensions, it creates a lot of unemployed young Italians and if they have the opportunity, they leave the country further reducing the amount of new births. Moreover, these illegal jobs are barely better than slavery, so even migrants are not economically stable enough to have children. The birth rate related to migrants is higher, but it's still low.

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IceWallow97 Apr 6, 2026 +15

That's true, working illegally doesn't pay any taxes, which doesn't contribute to the system.

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I_spread_love_butter Apr 7, 2026 +2

So it's the bosses fault, not the workers?

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Justin_123456 Apr 6, 2026 -8

I mean there is an obvious solution to this. Give folks work permits, and enforce employment laws, and after 5-10 years of residency, make them citizens.

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026 +3

We already do that.

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BeautyInUgly Apr 6, 2026 -5

>In terms of their contributions, in 2016, foreign workers produced almost 9 per cent of the total GDP. Migrants are also entrepreneurs, pay taxes and sustain Italy’s social security system (with an estimated net contribution of 241.2 billion euros between 1960 and 2016); which should dispel the myth that migrants are a net financial cost to the Italian economy. Another bullshit listnook comment, immigrants in itaily are net contributers to the tax system [https://publications.iom.int/system/files/pdf/iom\_italy\_briefing\_02.pdf](https://publications.iom.int/system/files/pdf/iom_italy_briefing_02.pdf)

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026 +2

Another bullshit comment written by a person that cannot read. It is surely great to live in a bubble.

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Zeri-coaihnan Apr 8, 2026 +1

You’re right, but I don’t see many Italian-dwelling folk with more informed views commenting. The poor immigrants who are lucky and do get to pay contributions probably won’t ever realise 43 years worth to qualify for a pension.

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TheWhomItConcerns Apr 6, 2026 +5

In Italy at least, the [employment rates](https://www.rieds-journal.org/rieds/article/view/506) of immigrants is almost identical to that of native Italians, and they're over-represented in "undesirable" manual labour jobs - roles which highly developed countries have been struggling to fill. While they [pay less in taxes](https://koronapay.com/transfers/europe/en/blog/salaries-in-italy-how-much-do-migrants-earn/), that is only owing to the fact that their salaries are significantly lower on average, but despite this, they're overall net contributors to Italy's GDP and pension system. Maybe you should try to actually get to know some immigrants yourself before coming to conclusions about them.

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Pitiful_Prompt_1061 Apr 6, 2026 -6

I have seen them and hence my comment.

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TheWhomItConcerns Apr 6, 2026 +1

Get to know != see.

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xxdarkslidexx Apr 6, 2026

Like, every one I personally know

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AyiHutha Apr 6, 2026 -2

People down voting are just Americans projecting on Europeans

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[deleted] Apr 6, 2026 +1

Nah just dunking on idiots. It is good fun.

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FoST2015 Apr 6, 2026 -31

If all persons were rational then yes, but also if that were true then a lot of things would be different. The US and other recent right movements show that individuals will sacrifice their own economic benefit for sake of their prejudice/racism etc.

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[deleted] Apr 6, 2026 +27

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PyroIsSpai Apr 6, 2026 -11

Identity changes everywhere with each birth and death. Always has.

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static_element Apr 6, 2026 +12

It depends on what you define as "change". Considering that many nations have kept their identities (language, religion, culture, customs) for thousands of years then what you are describing is not always the case.

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Powerful-Eye-9128 Apr 6, 2026 -2

Please tell me which country has kept their identity for thousands of years. Unless you are talking about a few isolated tribes, it’s basically none. We humans continuously adapt to our environment. Or did the South Africans always spoke Dutch? Native Americans always Spanish or English? Do English people still speak the same as they did during WW2? Do the Americans speak the same way as they did in the 50s? Do you hold the exact same customs and cultures of your great great grandparents? Look at the Mormons or evangelical Christians. These (off shoot) religions are barely two centuries old, being formed in the 1800’s. The truth is you are speaking from fear and bias because things are changing in ways that go against your own values. That breaks with your own identity and instead of trying to adapt, you hold on to what you know. That is conservatism, which paradoxically is also part of human nature. The biggest truth is that you cannot stop the flow of time and regression never has been a good thing when it comes to human society. If a society starts wanting to move backwards, it simply becomes backwards. It’s how empires grow and fall and new ones reborn from its ashes.

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static_element Apr 6, 2026

>Please tell me which country has kept their identity for thousands of years. Egypt, China, Iran, Greece. Do you want more?

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Blingblinkmillion Apr 6, 2026 +2

None of them maintained their identity for a thousand years. Mentioning Egypt when a thousand years ago they literally underwent arabisation and before that Romanisation, and Hellenization before that. Ancient Egypt has very little culturally with modern Egypt.

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Powerful-Eye-9128 Apr 6, 2026 +2

Egypt still uses hieroglyphics alphabet? Really just google these things or ask ai: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Egyptian-language Not only has the language significantly changed but nowadays Arabic is also commonly spoken there. Iran language isn’t even the same as the old Avestan language, it has evolved multiple times now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Iran Not only do you have multiple Iranian derived languages, also Arabic is an official language in Iran. China also changed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Chinese_language Also Greece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language#:~:text=The%20historical%20unity%20and%20continuing,is%20to%20modern%20spoken%20English%22. Language evolves over time, new words are created or borrowed. This is human nature. This is just language, religion is a whole nother topic. Zeus or Ra aren’t worshipped anymore, they are replaced by Christianity and Islam. Chinese are mainly atheistic while it has plural religions that are different from each region. Buddhism came from India while undergoing major changes in China to accustom their own culture. Confucianism even changed by the advent of Buddhism and you have Taoism schools that can be either Buddhist or Confucian.

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static_element Apr 6, 2026 -2

>Egypt still uses hieroglyphics alphabet? Really just google these things or ask ai: If you are being condensing to people at least try to use your pea sized brain first. >Egypt still uses hieroglyphics alphabet? So language evolution means culture change? Do you even know what culture and identity means? For example Greek language has evolved through the Millennia and still maintains its roots with similar words. I guess it's a different idenity now. >Zeus or Ra aren’t worshipped anymore Wow Astonishing Ignorance. Maybe you should have taken your own advice and use google first. Wait till you find out that the Ancient Greek religion is still practiced today....

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Youre-doin-great Apr 6, 2026 -17

They didn’t care about keeping identities when they were colonizing and stealing resources from the countries that those people are coming from.

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AskMeWhyIAmSilver Apr 6, 2026 +9

Are you mental? Who did Italy colonize in the recent years? Who did balkan countries colonize? Who did Poland and eastern European countries colonize? Who did Nordic countries colonize bar the British isles?

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hari_shevek Apr 6, 2026 -3

>Who did Italy colonize https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_colonies_of_Italy

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Youre-doin-great Apr 6, 2026 -5

Did you do a quick google search? The answer are readily available. Also conveniently don’t mention the places like Spain, England, France right?

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AskMeWhyIAmSilver Apr 6, 2026 +1

No, I did mention them in a different comment. My comment was in response to you saying “they didn’t care while colonizing”. Balkan countries never colonized african and middle eastern countries, nordic countries never colonized them, eastern european countries never colonized them. So why are they migrating to these countries??

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Powerful-Eye-9128 Apr 6, 2026 -6

You don’t know your history then but please read on Italy role during WW2 in the African content. While you are at it, read the history of the Balkan countries and Yugoslavia or their history with Russia. No country has kept being exact the same over time. That is the flow of time. Ideas changes and are imported and exported, the same with culture and religion. Countries are being taken over, formed anew, annex others. If anything Europe has been quite peaceful since WW2 but even then the EU brought changes in culture and customs. And with changes comes resistant, which is also a tale as old as time.

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AskMeWhyIAmSilver Apr 6, 2026 +1

I don’t know about balkan and Yugoslav history when I’m from here?? My point is, none of the European countries bar the few mega cultures like England, France, Spain, etc. have colonized other countries in their history, especially not African and middle eastern countries. So why are they being punished with overwhelming number of migrants.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -8

Is that why Italy voted Meloni

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static_element Apr 6, 2026 -6

I wouldn't know, i'm not Italian.

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San-A Apr 6, 2026 +1

There is no functioning country without a young active population, that include pensions. If native Italian want to have a functioning country without immigration then they will have to reconsider their entire society so that their people can make children.

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PolitelyHostile Apr 6, 2026 -3

They will b**** and complain (mama mia!) while also never willing to have more than 1 or 2 kids even in an ideal economic situation.

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AyiHutha Apr 6, 2026 -60

Their fault for not making enough babies

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QueasyLegKC Apr 6, 2026 +36

Are they making the bots intentionally dumb now?

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rainshowers_5_peace Apr 6, 2026 +32

Didn't they just end the program that allow descendants of Italians to easily immigrate?

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banditta82 Apr 6, 2026 +39

Ya but nearly none of the people apply for that actually wanted to live in Italy. They were largely applying from South America and we're looking to live in Spain or Portugal.

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rainshowers_5_peace Apr 6, 2026 +1

I've seen that said, has the government been tracking?

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JustSomebody56 Apr 6, 2026 +1

I think istat did that

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tun3man Apr 6, 2026 -3

They make Italian citizenship to live in USA. The "Brazilian dream" is live in USA where everything is perfect...

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026 +17

They did that because those people weren't going to come here anyway. They used the Italian citizenship as a Trojan horse to migrate to other european countries. They come here only when they are old, so they have the national healthcare for free.

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Caratteraccio Apr 7, 2026 +2

making our life more difficult

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rainshowers_5_peace Apr 6, 2026 +1

I've seen that first part said, has the government been tracking?

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026 +7

Well, not the single person, but let's say that you can do 2+2 when you realize that you receive 1 million requests for citizenship, but only 2k people come here while Spain gets 200k new "Italian" migrants that do not speak a single Italian word.

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rainshowers_5_peace Apr 6, 2026 +1

Is that happened? Did anyone track those numbers?

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StrongFaithlessness5 Apr 6, 2026

I made up the numbers because I didn't want to check (I mean, you are the one asking, you can find some news for yourself) but it is true that we received millions of citizenship requests, mostly from Brazil and Argentina.

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No-Anything-7291 Apr 6, 2026 +56

Next news. Pope introduces Chicago deep dish pizza to replace the local Italian style pizzas to promote further foreign cultures and way of life.

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ThePreciseClimber Apr 6, 2026 +10

Instant excommunication...

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mlorusso4 Apr 6, 2026 +10

I don’t think you can excommunicate the pope

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ThePreciseClimber Apr 6, 2026 +6

They'll make an exception for the Chicago deep dish.

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formerlyanonymous_ Apr 6, 2026 +1

Depends if it's Ginos East or Giordonos

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TheWix Apr 6, 2026 +1

Won't know unless you try!

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Automatic-Plate-8966 Apr 6, 2026 +1

You can if you’re the holy Roman emperor.

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civemaybe Apr 6, 2026 +1

You can if you're Holy Roman Emperor.

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igottheshnitz Apr 6, 2026 +14

So the population of Italians is still shrinking.

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mayy_dayy Apr 8, 2026 +2

They should eat more mushrooms

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ThrowawayITA_ Apr 9, 2026 +2

Ik I'm late but that was a good one

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Basic_Character3800 Apr 6, 2026 +15

Yes but what type of migration...Portuguese here.

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liccman Apr 7, 2026 +1

You know Martim Moniz?

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[deleted] Apr 6, 2026 +12

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Comprehensive-Ear283 Apr 6, 2026 +9

This is why I always say that I’m not against immigration, but forced assimilation MUST happen if a country is going to accept immigrants. If immigrants aren’t forced to assimilate to the culture of the country they immigrate to, then eventually the current culture of that country will disappear.

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No_Tree_8144 Apr 6, 2026 +2

the problem comes down to what "assimilation" means. for a lot of ppl assimilation simply means "an immigrant being a net positive contributor to society" as in getting a job, paying taxes, not committing crimes and raising kids that do the same. most immigrants do in fact fall in this bucket. for others it's an immigrant having their own religious/cultural practices. I'm not even talking about doing anything in public. the sheer fact that they identify as an adherent to another religion, or they build mosques, temples etc to practice their religion is deemed as them not "assimilating". and to others you can never "assimilate" if you aren't white for example. no matter what you do. so it comes down to what exactly your definition of "assimilation" means

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Comprehensive-Ear283 Apr 6, 2026 +6

A quick google led me to this: “Cultural assimilation is the process by which a minority group or culture adopts the behaviors, values, rituals, beliefs, and customs of a dominant or host culture, often resulting in the loss or blending of their original cultural identity. “ We all have differing opinions on immigration, and that’s fine. But with any culture in order to preserve their way of life, this must happen. Doesn’t matter the country, it’s all the same.

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No_Tree_8144 Apr 6, 2026 +1

again thats what I mean. you'll have to define what these behaviors, values, etc are. if it just means being a high trust society, then most first gen immigrants do in fact fall in that bucket. and by the 2nd gen almost all of them are in that bucket.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 +1

you'll also have to provide a pathway to citizenship if you're demanding this

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CommunicationWarm312 Apr 6, 2026 +42

Italystan then?

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Sow_40 Apr 6, 2026 -13

either that or Italygone in 100 years

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CommunicationWarm312 Apr 6, 2026 +18

Italy will gone in 100 years, i mean it will be like Egypt, name same but "original" ethnic and culture completely gone.

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -9

Egypt is [ethnically the same](https://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2025/11/03/ancient-egypt-dna-modern/) as it was during Ancient Egypt Everywhere has culturally changed since the Ancient era

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Sow_40 Apr 6, 2026 -7

Thats not true, every first world country will follow the "american way" the country and its "principles" will stay but containing many different folks which are integrated into society.

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CommunicationWarm312 Apr 7, 2026 +2

That require folks that ready and okay to became part of Italy society and learn language, most they from culturally similiar countries, almost everyone from Europe. If this group the majority, then Italy will be Italy as we know it. There another group, that folks dont wanna integrate fully into society, they want to bring their rules for natives, they dont respect history, social norms and etc. If this group the majority, then Italy totally fucked, ofc there different groups, but muslims very organized i give them that, unlike christians for example.

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banditta82 Apr 6, 2026 +25

There are no developed countries that have a positive growth rate without migration.

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Awkward_Silence- Apr 6, 2026 +23

I believe the exception to that is Israel which has a TFR of 2.8 as of last year. That would be enough to grow their population over time without any additional immigration.

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utilizador2021 Apr 6, 2026 +4

Isn't 20% of the population Arab over there? Also, they probably have a lot of ultra-orthodox people, which mean they have a lot of children. I bet people in Tel Aviv have less child.

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WannabeACICE Apr 6, 2026 +6

Yeah, the Orthodox ones do have more kids, but even secular jews are having kids at the above-replacement rate.

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fantasmadecallao Apr 7, 2026 +1

In 2025, secular Jewish TFR was 1.9 according to Haaretz

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WannabeACICE Apr 7, 2026 +2

If true I guess it’s dropped .2-.4 last time I looked

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ViolettaHunter Apr 6, 2026 +8

It's definitely the ultra-orthodox population there. They have arranged marriages dictated by their parents when they are young and then are expected to make babies at factory speed. Their population group grows by 4% every year and they'll make up one quarter of the overall population by 2050 at this rate. That will end up being a problem for Israel since alot of the men don't work.

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utilizador2021 Apr 6, 2026 +1

Just what I thought. I bet those communities are more spread across rural regions. While in big cities, people have less children. Why men don't work there?

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Thefivedoubleus Apr 7, 2026 +1

I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of Israel. It's smaller than nj. Not many rural regions there. The ultra oryhodox need to live walking distance from a synagauge, they're actually pretty concentrated communities.

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InsensitiveClod76 Apr 6, 2026 +4

Doesn't disqualify them from being a developed nation

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garlicmayosquad Apr 6, 2026 -1

It’s because Isreal is the only country that is allowed to protect its native population without people calling it racism.

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Many_Move6886 Apr 8, 2026 +1

Lol they are a racist nation. They literally just instated a law where the punishment is different for terrorism solely on the basis of ethnicity. Capital punishment for palestinians versus simply imprisonment.

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Ornery-Hunter-1417 Apr 6, 2026 +19

Immegrants are so thankfull with this news. Now they will demand their own rights. Then they will try to come in power then make rules for italy

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -19

Just like Italians did in the US

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Emergency-Style7392 Apr 6, 2026 +1

So italy is being punished?

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026

No, it's just immigration as is natural throughout history

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Emergency-Style7392 Apr 6, 2026 +6

This level of immigration has never happened in history outside wars and conquest

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 +1

It literally did The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand all experienced even higher levels of immigration in the 19th century and 20th century, proportionally You're looking at the raw numbers, not the proportion

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Emergency-Style7392 Apr 6, 2026 +3

It literally didn't, not even in the US. 2024-25 is the all time peak for immigrant share of the population in the US. In europe tho, not even close. Also some EU countries are even higher than that historic peak in the US

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 +3

They also had high birthrates Anyway, 20% of Australia's population was foreign-born in 1970 In 1931, 22% of Canada's population was foreign born, 37% of provinces like Alberta were made up of foreign-born residents

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Emergency-Style7392 Apr 6, 2026 +2

Yea that 22% in canada is still below many EU countries, and the 37% in alberta is below many more EU cities. This migration wave is unprecedented, especially in europe

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 +2

22%? There's Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus but that's primarily other EU immigrants. There is no EU city with more than 37% foreign born.

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Unlucky_Accountant71 Apr 6, 2026 +6

Not actually good news.

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Majestic_Neck6624 Apr 6, 2026 +12

‘Thanks to migration’ let’s wait 10 years and see if they are still thanking them. It will be a 3rd world country

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EntertainmentDeep73 Apr 7, 2026

In some places it already is. Source: I live in Italy

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Caratteraccio Apr 7, 2026 +2

The same migrant who has lived here for a decade, paying taxes, sending their children to Italian schools where they learn the language and then, as adults, wear the Italian national jersey in various sports. Something that Lionel Messi and Paolo Banchero, for example, have not done.

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adeffimo Apr 6, 2026 +4

They even have the audacity to publish this propaganda in India, of all places? We really need to find these people ASAP.

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whitew0lf Apr 6, 2026 +4

Yet won’t let Italian descendants get their citizenship 🫠

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Badassscholar Apr 7, 2026

Why would we? It was an absurd law, very few actually moved here.

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Unhappy-Bullfrog5597 Apr 6, 2026 +2

"thanks" Now I'm the captain vibe lol

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Slavicgoddess23 Apr 8, 2026 +2

They’ll regret it as most places do.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

Nobody wants to move to Eastern Europe

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

And you guys need to move back.

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AlongAxons Apr 6, 2026 +3

“thanks”

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Klein_Arnoster Apr 6, 2026 +2

That's not a good thing. That's actually worse.

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Traditional_Ad7109 Apr 8, 2026 +1

So it’s still shrinking…

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +2

Keep voting for the Right You people never learn

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upthetruth1 Apr 6, 2026 -2

They also made it easier for seasonal workers to transfer to non-seasonal work visas which allows access to permanent residency which has a salary requirement of €7k a year

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Mundane_Flight_5973 Apr 8, 2026 +1

7k per year is shit. You are not even contributing for what you use

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

It reduces exploitation

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Mundane_Flight_5973 Apr 8, 2026 +1

If you want to reduce exploitation you eliminate the immigrants. The employers won’t have people to pay 5€/h and they will have to hire native Italians and increase their salaries

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

You eliminate the exploitation by ensuring they have rights, not going down a dumb fascist route You already voted for the populist right and they just made things worse

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Mundane_Flight_5973 Apr 8, 2026 +1

No, you reduce exploitation by reducing the supply of low skilled labour and increasing the supply of high/super high skilled labour. In other words, you stop importing third world workers and start taking PHDs from Europe, India and China. Having borders and very low immigration is not a “fascist” route, while having an open border is a dumb delusional route. The populist right does not want to rule, they don’t want to disappoint their entrepreneurs and they are afraid of losing votes with a tough policy. Trump successfully blocked immigration on day 1, Poland and Hungary have 0 illegal immigration.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

I never said open borders Once again, keep voting for the Right as they increase immigration and exploitation More and more proof as to why right wing voters are low educated

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nevergonnasaythat Apr 8, 2026 +1

I think this was already posted and I already commenter that in my view the italian population will increase in the next decade not because of migration but organically, because of: - better policies to support both parents as well as families also in private companies - MUCH better access to IVF procedures - a cultural shift I am part of the generation that lived through the economic crisis, very little welfare support to families, very difficult access to IVF, a culture that promoted career over family for women. We are the ones who caused the dip in birth rates, things are rapidly changing and have changed already with Millennials, GenZ will be even better. Back to normal, balanced, steady, lives and therefore families.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026 +1

The birthrate in Italy keeps dropping

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nevergonnasaythat Apr 8, 2026

Wait and see. These shifts need a few years to show up. Empirically, I already see many more families among my younger acquaintances than among my peers.

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026

I’d almost bet that the birth rate doesn’t grow

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nevergonnasaythat Apr 8, 2026

Ok I guess? Your bet.

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ronweasleisourking Apr 6, 2026

What have the tourists *ever* done for us?

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upthetruth1 Apr 8, 2026

And then vote for them again! Right-wingers are idiots.

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Italy's population stops shrinking after 12 years, thanks to migration

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