I didn't realize that James Gunn got his start at Troma.
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askyourmom46919 hr ago
+122
Yep! He also wrote and directed the incredible (and incredibly gross) horror comedy Slither. The dude definitely has a love and understanding for the genre, so I'm pretty optimistic that he really does mean that. If they get the tone right, a Clayface horror movie sounds like a slam dunk.
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TheTelephone17 hr ago
+30
If anyone needs a recommendation for movies like Slither, check out Night of the Creeps by Fred Dekker.
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iwern15 hr ago
+15
Fred “The Monster Squad” Dekker!
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Bulky-Conclusion660613 hr ago
+5
and most stuff that mike flanagan works on is solid. I’m optimistic for it
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Resident_Course_334210 hr ago
+1
Its a Mike Flanagan joint? Sold. He's probably the best living horror producer on the planet.
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Ninjamurai-jack8 hr ago
+2
Yeah, he wrote it based on Batman TAS
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The_Nerdy_Elephant16 hr ago
+6
Then we can do a musical for the sequel /s
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Accomplished_Lab_67514 hr ago
+2
Oh such a good movie, and shit yeah just reading that headline had me thinking "oh hell yeah!"
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Samanthacino17 hr ago
+5
I'm just hoping they didn't mangle Mike Flanagan's script (they have said they didn't, but you never know). Should turn out a banger if not.
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TheHunterZolomon17 hr ago
+8
James Gunn is not the type to be a diva as far as I can tell where it’s his way or the highway, and there’s also the specter of overinvolved anti creative suits dictating the creative direction of the DCU which I’m sure he wants to avoid, so I’m sure he respects flanagan’s vision especially given how talented Flanagan is in the horror genre which Gunn understands.
This movie is going to have to be really really dark and terrifying for Creature Commandos to make sense though, so buckle up (when that show takes place in the context of the DCU, clayface is already an established serial killer).
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A_Polite_Noise18 hr ago
+18
Lloyd Kaufman, co-founder of Troma, director of Toxic Avenger and Tromeo & Juliet (which he co-wrote with Gunn) among others, appears in Guardians of the Galaxy in a background cameo in the prison scene! They're good friends. I think he's in Superman, too.
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Applekid125918 hr ago
+8
Tromeo and Juliet is a staple of the Tromaverse.
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Mimosa_Coast10 hr ago
+1
Sammy Capulet is my favorite Sean Gunn role
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jl_theprofessor19 hr ago
+10
Yeah when I learned that it contextualized a lot for me.
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MagicianJolly413517 hr ago
+9
Do yourself a favor and watch Slither (2006)
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buttchugreferee16 hr ago
+3
I've seen it, but it's been a long time
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Undefeated-Smiles14 hr ago
+3
Just don't watch Poltrygeist especially if you need the washroom after taco bell. The washroom scene alone made me go yeah im not eating for a week LOL.
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mwmani19 hr ago
+196
Good. Let the villain be a villain. He can be sympathetic, of course, but one of the main reasons the Sony spider-villain movies failed was that they tried to make them into badass anti-heroes or just straight up heroes.
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andmac951819 hr ago
+71
It’s not necessarily a villain movie either it’s a monster horror film like the fly and it’s his decent into becoming a monster but not by his own doing
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LowSense759419 hr ago
+15
Descent*
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porkchop-sandwhiches13 hr ago
+6
I don’t want cave monsters no thank yooooouuu
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randomAIusername19 hr ago
+48
This is what The Penguin got right imo. It didn’t pull any punches in depicting him as an absolutely vile monster… that final scene with his mom made me physically ill.
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Lfsnz6718 hr ago
+19
That final act of the series was incredible, right up to the batsignal
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NoResearchStudy16 hr ago
+3
Remind me please
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nickscorpio7419 hr ago
+74
That’s all I needed to know. I will be seeing this in a theater anticipating a horror film
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Fenrirsulfur10 hr ago
+2
Give me body horror like in The Thing!
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dafones19 hr ago
+33
And that teaser was creepy as f***.
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sussybakashinji18 hr ago
+48
This shows to me that Gunn understands DC. In the comics, the more “mature”, often horror, Vertigo properties shared a universe with Batman and Superman. Swamp Thing. Constantine. Sandman. And Batman’s rogue’s gallery is full of horror monsters. It’s Gods *and* Monsters.
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Ninjamurai-jack18 hr ago
+18
A Swamp Thing movie is in the works, btw
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Minimum-Web-690211 hr ago
+2
God swamp thing and Solomon Grundy were some of my favorite adventures growing up. I love how he is essentially unkillable.
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Mister_MxyzptIk13 hr ago
+1
F*** yeah
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Nyorliest13 hr ago
+3
Yeah most Vertigo is not superheroes at all.
Maybe that’s why it’s the only DC I really love.
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Top-Sir-423810 hr ago
+1
yeah and vertigo is also really seperated from the main dc stuff for the most part
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Nyorliest10 hr ago
+1
Yeah I know. But, I mean, do you mean continuity-wise? Brand-wise?
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Top-Sir-42389 hr ago
+1
no, i mean like dc and vertigo were almost never connected. they were treated like two different things. vertigo characters like Morpheus didnt sharre universe with characters like Batman, Constatine didnt either for the most part, that only changed in like 2010s.
Those two were treated as different things, its why vertigo writers got complete freedom to do anything they wanted
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distantnemesis48 hr ago
+3
aren’t martian man hunter and scarecrow in some of the earliest issues of sandman
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Nyorliest8 hr ago
+2
I remember Scarecrow, definitely.
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Nyorliest8 hr ago
+2
No, Batman was in the old Alan Moore Swamp Thing. I looked up the one I remember - and loved - and that was 1988. And there have been lots of crossovers. I am pretty sure Sandman was in a Batman annual, or maybe the other way around.
But thematically, definitely. It was a different 'imprint', and especially back before the internet, people weren't as savvy about marketing, and you could have different brands treated very differently, even if really they were sitting in the same building using the same people. I used to love Vertigo, and not read much DC - I should say 'other DC', but I really didn't think of it that way, back then.
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Top-Sir-42387 hr ago
+1
i mean yeah and there are crossovers with marvel and trasformers that doesnt mean theyre happening in one thing. Its like counting Brubakers Criminal run as Marvel comic
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Whiteguy1x8 hr ago
+1
No, the first issues have more connections to DC characters and then they kinda go away. That dr dream or whoever stole the dreamstone was a DC character, as was Martian manhunter.
Theres other small connections in sandman, but it mostly stayed out of the typical DC stuff
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Top-Sir-42388 hr ago
+1
yes but they were explicitly different universes, like thats how vertigo was even marketed as, they used something to bring people to read it but the actual comic wasnt connected to anything
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Whiteguy1x7 hr ago
+1
I honestly dont know enough about comics to get into the weeds of different multiverses. I do know that there are connections to DC properties sprinkled in, but it isn't particularly important to the overall plot, the Netflix adaptation even cut them all out.
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Mrzz8019 hr ago
+34
I like that DC (unlike marvel) is happy to lean into the darker aspects of their characters. It’s much more entertaining than what at this point just amounts to corny and predictable superhero movies from marvel most of the time. There’s a reason the dark knight is so revered
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SnowDay11114 hr ago
+7
The Penguin tv series was really dark as well
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FreeRangeDice11 hr ago
-8
Where was the Penguin in all of it? It was more about gangster girl boss than Penguin. It’s the Witcher all over again.
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Exciting-Position71610 hr ago
+3
You definitely did not watch the series then if you didn't see the Penguin in all of it because there was a lot of Penguin doing Penguin things in it.
Hangman/Sofia Falcone has always been a villain in DC and how they adapted her to be a foil to The Penguin and his rise in the underworld was brilliant.
She was not a "gangster girl boss." She was a sympathetic psychopath who was driving everyone away from her progressively as the series went on until it all collapsed because she was outwitted, outsmarted and outmatched by Penguin's calculated machinations and the sheer corruptibility of those around her. She did not know how to fully play the game and it undid everything she tried to do because she really did think "respect" and "fear" is how one can rule the underworld of Gotham when in the end only money does. Money conquers all, it is as simple as that and Penguin knew how to make it lucrative for everyone involved to go jump ship to his side. Furthermore he knew that the only way to truly retain that power was through politics and going the political angle and corrupting them was the ultimate play in securing him taking control of Gotham's underworld.
He successfully manages to wrap everyone around his finger and cut loose every tie he has that could expose the extent of his crimes.
You should actually watch the show, it's fantastic.
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diabeticmilf17 hr ago
+2
Well DC has always been much darker than Marvel but I agree that it’s a good change of pace
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Ninjamurai-jack16 hr ago
+2
No, and even Zack Snyder recognized that.
Marvel was the darker, grittier one in the comics, while DC was the happier and Brighter one.
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chipscto11 hr ago
Umm idk bout this one. Dc ushered in dark gritty comics with watchmen and dark knight returns. They were already headed there wit the neil batman run. Granted marvel had serious shit like tony addiction and death of gwen but that dark edge was born from DC. So much so that the common link is frank miller going on to pen the dark daredevil stuff. Dc was bright cuz of adam west; which would make them marvel of then.
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Ninjamurai-jack8 hr ago
+2
DC wasn’t bright because of Adam West, it was bright because of the Golden/Silver Age, and Bronze wasn’t that different in the main universe
Marvel had more adult themes at the time while DC wasn’t really defying the comic book code
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hanky25 hr ago
+1
Werewolf by Night was pretty cool although not particularly scary.
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Nyorliest13 hr ago
+1
We don’t have to choose a side. We can like both when they’re good, and neither when they’re bad. Gunn Superman and Endgame, yay. Aquaman and Brave New World, nope nope nope.
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RecordingAny361517 hr ago
+9
Im so excited. There are two Batman baddies I’ve always wanted to see on the big screen. Clayface and Arnold Wesker.
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Fantom_Renegade13 hr ago
+2
Paramount better let James Gunn do his thing in peace
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notthatgeorge15 hr ago
+5
They compared it to Death Becomes Her and then call it a horror? Did they see Death Becomes Her?
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mormonbatman_19 hr ago
+2
I am really interested in how DC is building a credible Batman-less universe of Batman villains.
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IIzLeid14 hr ago
+1
And here's to me hoping to see sum opera singing, and Shark bro with Harley quinzel. 😔
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Cautious_Repair350311 hr ago
+1
Sounds good, I'm kinda tired about how generic a lot of superhero movies are. Comics have been in a diversity of genres for ... Basically as long as they have existed, but for some reason our movies lag behind and are kinda stuck in a very formulaic groove. Sometimes they get close, like ant man was almost a heist movie. I hope this is a sign that comic book movie adaptations are finally maturing as a medium. I would love to see adaptations of more mature subject matter, like an eternity girl miniseries.
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scriptDragon9 hr ago
+1
I clarify- then I will not be watching it.
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Swinship6 hr ago
+1
Well shit, I absolutely love Batman, and I absolutely hate horror. I guess this one is not for me.
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Horror_Response_199118 hr ago
+1
But when Batman?
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Ninjamurai-jack16 hr ago
+4
Basically, the new DCU Batman movie is being written but they aren’t rushing it because of the The Batman Part 2 that is coming in 2027.
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jrodfantastic16 hr ago
+1
Isn’t Clayface already dead in James Gunn’s new DCU?
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Undefeated-Smiles14 hr ago
+5
There could be multiple of clayface in the universe similar to how they've done it in the comics before.
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Johnny_Waffles8513 hr ago
+3
unsure but this movie takes place before Superman
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WalphRiggum_14 hr ago
+2
When did that happen?
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jrodfantastic7 hr ago
+1
Creature Commandos
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Repulsive_Emu204517 hr ago
+1
But it is tho cause it’s set in a superhero world therefore making it a hybrid lol
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FnordRanger_517 hr ago
+1
The curse of clayface
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SillyAlternative42014 hr ago
+1
As a fan of superhero films and a hater of horror, I appreciate the transparency.
I'll sit this out.
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StrangerOk753615 hr ago
I mean, the teaser didnt remind me of a horror movie. Ill watch it due to it being different, but they could have had better luck of a horror movie with Victor Szasz or hell, even a horror version of Scarecrow.
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MisterFingerstyle18 hr ago
-5
I’m sick of Batman movies with no Batman.
-5
Naulicus18 hr ago
+4
Because there’s just so many
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MisterFingerstyle17 hr ago
-4
Well there’s at least 3 plus a tv series.
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Naulicus16 hr ago
So many
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VictorReal_Monster15 hr ago
-2
do you have to have a lot of something to know you don't like it?
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Naulicus15 hr ago
It’s just a silly complaint. There’s plenty of Batman media with Batman as the titular character. A few isolated projects focusing on other characters in his mythos is perfectly fine.
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HunterDHunter12 hr ago
-1
This one is really bothering me. I have been thinking that Clayface is a villain that could finally be properly brought to the big screen. And the social commentary around such a villain is more poingant than ever. It should be based in modern times with social media. But without Batman, what's the point?
-1
RynoKaizen19 hr ago
-15
If it's not a hybrid don't piggy back on DC fame for your "horror movie".
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Nick_Arin19 hr ago
+11
What does that even mean. It’s just DC studios.
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Nick_Arin19 hr ago
+7
It means that the movie is produced by a company called DC studios and that they approached someone to create a horror movie with a specific character?
One of the co-writers was a part of The Haunting of Hillhouse/Bly Manor, Hush, Doctor Sleep, Geralds Game.
The director also has a history of horror movies (not great ones, but horror slop is still entertaining). They have a horror guy doing a horror movie, oh my god that’s so crazy.
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Nick_Arin18 hr ago
+7
You’re cute☺️
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Clear_Brick_999119 hr ago
+7
People have known about clay face way before the HQ show you dweeb
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ShermansFieldOrder6619 hr ago
+2
Calm yourself.
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baddingo316 hr ago
u need to chill man, like for real 🤣
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Daimakku119 hr ago
+10
Why not? Nothing says that comics have to be about superheros, and DC has a lot of content that is not necessarily about superheroes.
Have you ever watched The Joker (first one) or The Penguin? They are amazing and arent really about superheroes.
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FreeRangeDice11 hr ago
-1
Hilarious that you think those were amazing. Zero cinema history if you think those were amazing. I fell asleep watching both. Go watch more movies.
-1
Critical-Dealer-38787 hr ago
+1
You’re arguing about superhero movies.
Glass houses and stones, etc etc.
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Takkarro14 hr ago
-4
I'm getting really sick of seeing stuff about this already. I've seen it spammed so much all over the place that I am legitimately hoping it bombs.
-4
SoyTonatiuh12 hr ago
-4
Clayface has nothing to offer me. When hes in a Batman movie cool but this? Pass
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Ok_Relationship2956 hr ago
+1
If this movie is good, and fleshes out the character decently, when we get him in Batman it’ll feel better to know how big of a threat the B man is fighting, imo.
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3nd_of_L1ne15 hr ago
-1
Wait. Didn’t they want to move away from dark?
-1
Dvthdude10 hr ago
It’ll be a comedy like the rest of gunns films
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Awkward-Plan29817 hr ago
-5
DC is too dark, it’s not fun.
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doc_witt16 hr ago
+2
Pretend it's Evil Gumby 😁
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darryledw10 hr ago
-2
ib4 Clayface meets a quirky gang of misfits in space
-2
Dvthdude10 hr ago
-2
Sure, a horror comedy
-2
Ninjamurai-jack8 hr ago
+3
No, just horror
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MrTwoPumpChump18 hr ago
-16
DC really out here doin the lamest stuff possible
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Ninjamurai-jack18 hr ago
+2
Mike Flanagan wrote the movie
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discordianofslack17 hr ago
-3
If Gunn weren’t in charge of DC I’d still have no interest in most of their shit. I’ll likely buy this movie which is a thing I didn’t do with any of the previous DCU movies.
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MrTwoPumpChump17 hr ago
-8
This movie will suck just like every other dc movie outside the Batman franchise
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PissdrunxPreme20 hr ago
-63
Already sick of this movie and the ads
-63
Team7UBard19 hr ago
+31
The one teaser trailer, one poster, and one set photo? Damn, that’s a lot.
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Whydoialwaysdothis6919 hr ago
+16
I’ve barely heard about it, tf you talking about?
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PissdrunxPreme19 hr ago
-17
When I’m scrolling Popular, I saw about 20 articles about it and 10 ads. Just over and over.
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Petrichordates19 hr ago
+9
That's because you're engaging with it
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WearyAir926019 hr ago
+17
We feel the same way about your commentary.
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Armchair-Expert20 hr ago
+4
And I'm sick of the claycism against this character and the movie. Clay Lives Matter
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Diogenese500019 hr ago
+1
Clay Power 👊
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blckout_junkie19 hr ago
+2
Hello sir, do you have a moment? We just want to share some exciting information about our Clayface savior.
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GiantChocoChicknTaco19 hr ago
+1
Doesn’t take much, huh?
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ZealousidealWinner13 hr ago
-7
Someone I know who worked on this just told me ”its a shit movie”. Take from that what you will, I have no opinion about it.
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