紙風 meaning paper wind. You might be onto something here.
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crashtestpilot3 days ago
+4
Yes. That was precisely my point.
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lazyboy764 days ago
+10
Let's call it the Zero A7M.
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SYLOH4 days ago
+14
More like Zero A4/Letter
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Mult1Core4 days ago
+3
MXY-26 Ohka 2
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michaelkane9113 days ago
+1
Zero metal
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NotSoGreatGonzo3 days ago
+3
Is that legal?
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SYLOH3 days ago
+2
Probably somewhere in the ledger.
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After_Basis14343 days ago
+2
It's actually v2.0 they deployed balloon ones in ww2, a few hit the Coast
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Rynewulf4 days ago
-2
Would actually be such a cool idea in a ttrpg or rpg or something
-2
Normal_Network_5694 days ago
+16
It's the natural progression I guess, this is what happens when you retaliate against Nintendo bro
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nullbyte4204 days ago
+9
Killo Mii
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MATlad4 days ago
+6
'Reborn as a Vending Machine, I Now Wander the Dungeon'
Season 3 now streaming on Crunchyroll! One of the plot points is that they're always able to meet the moment, (ab)using some vending machine gimmick or other that's existed throughout our world. There's a lot of things that could technically be considered vending machines...
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banshee33 days ago
+1
Man they are getting really serious about emulation and copyright infringement.
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frenzyguy3 days ago
+1
They were preparing the kids all along
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Able_Two65762 days ago
+1
I forgot all about Labo! That lasted for one second.
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brainrotxx2 days ago
+1
the cease and desist drones getting serious
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Fraspakas4 days ago
+1
Zerging with nintendo labo units is crazy work
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CyberBlaed3 days ago
+1
Barely, Australia invented them in 2022 and sold them to the Ukrainians to drone some of those shitty russians.
Is really cool frankly. :)
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imlostintransition4 days ago
+95
For a few years now, Ukraine has been using something similar to good effect. This is from 2023:
>Corvo PPDS kamikaze drones are manufactured by the Australian technology company SYPAQ. Earlier this year, over 500 Corvo PPDS drones were delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine as part of the military support provided by the Australian Government.
>According to SYPAQ, Corvo PPDS is a low-cost, highly capable fixed-wing autonomous system capable of covertly delivering payloads with a high level of accuracy and reliability. Delivered as a flat pack kit to reduce logistical burden and made almost entirely from waxed foamboard, they are easily assembled and operated. The Corvo PPDS has a payload capacity of up to 3kg, a range of over 100km, and can autonomously transit to a specific location and land unassisted.
[https://defence-industry.eu/ukraine-corvo-ppds-cardboard-drones-strike-five-russian-fighter-jets/](https://defence-industry.eu/ukraine-corvo-ppds-cardboard-drones-strike-five-russian-fighter-jets/)
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TigerUSA204 days ago
+214
At least they can be recycled for Amazon boxes for my subscribe & save items. 📦
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trippknightly4 days ago
+78
Or I can donate my Amazon boxes to the war effort!
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ceviche-hot-pockets4 days ago
+45
I’m doing my part!
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virrk4 days ago
+22
"They're doing their part. Are you? Join the Mobile Infantry and save the world"
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nicethingslover4 days ago
+13
The Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today!
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S1gorJabjong4 days ago
+298
Just by putting bombs in only some of them and filling the rest with firecrackers would have devastating mental effects on troops.
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Silver_Middle_72404 days ago
+130
We going full circle with this one
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Tickomatick4 days ago
+51
Sun Tzu
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Prestigious_Load16994 days ago
+6
The Chinese Prince Matchabelli?
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h-land1 day ago
+1
I know it's a three-day old comment and you were just trying to make a joke, but Machiavelli *did* actually write a book called On the Art of War (or Dell'arte della Guerra, technically.) Its lessons are more similar to those of ~~*Vom Krieg* than *孙子兵法*~~ **Clausewitz than Sun**, though.
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SecureDonkey4 days ago
+18
Pearl Harbor 2: Cardboard Overboard.
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DeadlyBannana4 days ago
+99
Bombs are c****. No reason to not put bombs in all of them. Even if a handful pass the damage they can do is immense. Even if none pass, the air defence assets will probably far outweigh the cardboard drone cost.
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ThellraAK4 days ago
+42
If they are all real drones sure.
But you could also probably put in smaller motors and batteries into the one that's not trying to deliver a significant portion of its weight in explosives.
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round-earth-theory2 days ago
+1
Grenades aren't that heavy nor that expensive. You can easily put a few in the planes.
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TurtleIIX4 days ago
+37
Missiles are not c****. Decoys are even cheaper than bombs. The whole point is to waste or trick antidrone weapons.
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Dooby-Dooby-Doo4 days ago
+26
Exactly.
If you can swarm your opponent with a mix of dummy drones and bomb carrying drones until they have used all of their anti air defences, then you are left free to use your expensive missiles knowing there's a high chance of hitting the target.
It's new war tactics like this that have pushed nations like the UK to develop c**** laser defence systems, allowing for more precise and immediate ground to air defence while also removing the limitation of ammunition requirements.
Future wars between modern armies could be decided by either who has the most swarms of drones or the cheapest to operate anti air defence system.
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TroglodyteToes2 days ago
+1
The Zerg rush has always been the best strategy.
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plesioth4 days ago
+2
Missiles aren't c****. Explosives are. There's a lot of precision manufacturing and engineering in a missile chassis and guidance system. Drones are c**** enough that 'cheaper' decoys aren't as favorable on the cost:utility ratio. Better to just throw more armed drones at the defended target than try to play some fancy shell game.
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ResortMain7802 days ago
A mortar round costs less than $500. This cardbox drone apparently \~4x that.
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trippknightly4 days ago
+14
Or canned snakes. 😃
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Zulishk4 days ago
+7
Or canned bursts of high-speed spiders!
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nellyruth4 days ago
+8
I see a Samuel L Jackson plot here.
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meesta_masa4 days ago
+4
Ghosts, man. 'I'm sick of the moan on this mother f****** drone.'
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the_real_isback4 days ago
+2
This gave me f****** chills just thinking about…
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slimeyy_024 days ago
+1
What 💀
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Low-Temperature-69624 days ago
Decoys
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improbable_humanoid4 days ago
+159
I bet it only costs that much because it’s made by a military contractor in Japan. I think they’re opening a can of worms that will result in \~$100 drones.
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Sonny1x4 days ago
+68
Costs would be munition, guidance/communication with the drone and battery. 2k is reasonable
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improbable_humanoid4 days ago
-19
Bomb are c****. Electronics and batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper. You could also power it with a gas (or nitro) engine.
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Sonny1x4 days ago
+49
> Bomb are c****.
It's not 100usd per ordinance c****. There are people that need to handle them, logistics, inspections, production etc etc that is quite strict due to the fact it's (shocker) explosive.
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BrothelWaffles3 days ago
+3
Uh, I don't think you've been paying attention to the price of electronics lately. They're more expensive than they've been in decades.
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JohnBrine4 days ago
+6
Electronics prices are doing the opposite rn my dude.
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SideInitial39614 days ago
+34
100% that's how they operate. Promise small then balloon.
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IntentionDeep6514 days ago
+2
cardboard prices soars 12000% !
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solocmv4 days ago
+6
Australia has been doing this for years! Made flat pack and sent to the Ukraine. Very simple and very sophisticated, capable of operating in GPS denied environments with long range automated flight. This is such a NON Story.
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bagero4 days ago
+51
Why is everyone talking about this suddenly when japan is doing it when Australia has been sending cardboard drones to Ukraine for years now?
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GenericUsername20564 days ago
+76
Because the Japanese ones fly right side up.
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denartes4 days ago
+3
Do they have a reliable front though? Sucks when it falls off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sypaq_Corvo_Precision_Payload_Delivery_System
"The airframe is made of waxed foamcore (foamboard)"
Just because the skin is cardboard doesn't mean the drone is fully built from it.
Also, why the downvote?
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BPho3nixF3 days ago
+2
The Australian ones keep flying back
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auchinleck9174 days ago
+2
President? What are you talking about?
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VallenValiant4 days ago
+1
These are clearly for offence since they are one-way drones, so it means something politically. i mean they already change the interpretation of the law, but this is just doing what they said they will do.
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Gustomucho3 days ago
+1
I don’t see how attacking a blockade around your ports with a one-way drone to be offensive, nor do I see Ukraine attacking Russia on their turf as offensive.
Explain your point better, maybe I don’t understand
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hippodribble4 days ago
-1
Sure you're not thinking of the box?
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FtWTaiChi3 days ago
-1
Because the Australian ones are based on boomerang technology and keep coming back before they hit anything.
-1
PorkProofPrion4 days ago
+63
All you need is simple propeller ballistas like the ~~elves~~ dwarves had
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Not_Enough_Gun4 days ago
+22
The dwarves had those.
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SignificantClub67614 days ago
+16
The old twirly wirleys
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d4nowar4 days ago
+9
Just spray them with water, they're made of cardboard.
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Acuddlykoalabear4 days ago
+5
UK trying to find ways to transfer and monetize the greatest air defense of our time: the British weather
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Snors3 days ago
+1
Well that's going in the book
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Complete-Sort16174 days ago
+54
It’s gonna be awful to experience these one day
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Ok-Bread93354 days ago
+23
Like thousands of these equipped with small cal to just f*** with armies and formations. Can be used to destroy enemy morales. Fun stuff
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____DEADPOOL_______4 days ago
+14
The next generation is going to have a LOT to deal with in their hands.
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BlackMan96934 days ago
+2
And in case the enemy gets accustomed to their low offence using some c**** defence, you send a barrage of high dps drones to send them to hell while traumatizing the survivors.
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ShadowsteelGaming4 days ago
+1
At what point does infantry just become obsolete?
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TroglodyteToes2 days ago
+1
It doesn't, the format just changes. Whether that is c**** robots or humans in next-gen armor, you need boots on the ground to hold the ground. Otherwise, war is just whack-a-mole.
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-8
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PieGlass21874 days ago
+7
Oh like when the corpos start sieging noncompliant municipalities
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Affectionate-Drag-834 days ago
+10
Next we need it powered by a rubber band
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DrPumpenstein4 days ago
+8
Nobody does 1 way trip aerial warfare better than the Japanese …
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Lanster274 days ago
+17
How well do they operate in rain?
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VoteBananas4 days ago
+55
Normal. Just wax them.
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Efficient_Dark19774 days ago
+22
I hear shaving them works too.
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____DEADPOOL_______4 days ago
+4
It makes them go faster.
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TommaClock4 days ago
+3
No, that's painting them red.
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-M_A_X-4 days ago
+2
No need for a landing strip too 😂
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Rocinante881194 days ago
+2
So long as they aren't prideful and fly too close to the sun
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Silver_Middle_72404 days ago
+31
From my time doing QA in a shipping company. I imagine quite well. The surface of corrugated cardboard we use for cartons is pretty hydrophobic when dry. It takes a good while for boxes to actually start absorbing water and soften.
I imagine it wouldn't cost much to spray them with wax or something to repell water even better than that.
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CTCPara4 days ago
+16
An Australian company was delivering (not sure if they still are) similar drones to Ukraine back in 2023. Seems they have some resistance to wet conditions. Probably just water proof enough to survive one trip.
/QUOTE
Osborne emphasized that drones are made for working in difficult conditions:
“The sturdy cardboard was soaked in wax to prevent the fuselage from collapsing and drones from falling further in wet weather conditions.”
/QUOTE
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____DEADPOOL_______4 days ago
+7
> quote
Just use this symbol to quote stuff: >
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ai99094 days ago
+11
Auto-initiates kamikaze-mode.
>built primarily from corrugated cardboard with a water-resistant coating.
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rescuemysandwich4 days ago
+2
you be surprise how most cardboards are durable in rain
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sylpher2504 days ago
+3
Cover them with cocktail umbrellas
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Loggersalienplants4 days ago
+2
If you actually read more than the headline you will see, "...a lightweight fixed-wing platform built primarily from corrugated cardboard with a water-resistant coating."
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ai99094 days ago
+7
Aw man, If only they were in origami-crane form..
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Zulishk4 days ago
+3
Origami Shinigami Kamikaze
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db29994 days ago
+1
I want that in Red Alert 4. Just kidding, the RTS genre is dead.
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Prestigious-Car-48774 days ago
+8
I mean... isn't this the way things are heading? Seems like a no brainer to sent a wave of a million $10 drones at your target than 1 10 million dollar missile.
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lemons_of_doubt4 days ago
+3
Stuff like this is why we are starting to put lasers on battleships
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DigitallyDetained4 days ago
+3
I dont think that's really it. A 3kg payload won't be very effective against a battleship. The lasers going on battleships are trying to be powerful enough to intercept missiles and larger aircraft.
Even less powerful lasers would likely be crazy effective against these, so long as they can be reliably targeted. I'd be surprised if they don't start layering laser defenses with smaller ones, so you're probably right and I've just babled on for nothing.
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FizzlePopBerryTwist3 days ago
+3
That's kind of genius. The radar profile of cardboard must be pretty faint, especially if a little radar absorbing paint is slicked over it.
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temporarycreature3 days ago
+3
*Calm down dumbass, it's just a swarm of mosquitoes*
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FizzlePopBerryTwist3 days ago
+1
For real, there are mosquitoes literally everywhere, even over the ocean.
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dedrake1314 days ago
+6
Kamikaze drone! Banzai!!
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I_might_be_weasel4 days ago
+6
Makes sense. They only need to fly once.
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SandySkittle4 days ago
+6
Also more environmentally friendly if they blow up
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Chomp-Stomp4 days ago
+1
Wouldn’t want toxic fumes giving the dead people a higher risk of cancer!
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SandySkittle4 days ago
+3
I mean the plastic pieces that end up in the environment and then degrade into microplastics.
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Loose_Skill66414 days ago
+3
not new, Australia has had cardboard drones for few years
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thiram4 days ago
+2
Aerial zergling rush.
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IngloriousMustards4 days ago
+2
1.5 kg payload doesn’t provide much attack value.
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Another_Anon_userr4 days ago
+3
Maybe an impact fuze grenade?
All it needs to do is cause chaos or take a hit instead of a more capable drone.
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Mofoman30194 days ago
+3
I personally don't want 1.5 kg of explosive hurled at me in a cardboard box.
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PogoMarimo3 days ago
+2
It's probably about equivalent to four hand grenades strapped together. It's not a trivial payload. If you can direct it precisely on target it's enough to destroy small infantry emplacements, damage communication and radar equipment, kill everyone inside a tank or armored vehicle if left open, or wreck an unarmored logistics vehicle.
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Fun_Distribution62734 days ago
+1
1.5kg with ball bearings will probably be quite effective for anti personnel and anti-drone purposes. Look up Ukraine’s foot crushers - they demonstrate what can be done with small munitions and drones.
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IngloriousMustards4 days ago
Payload is 1.5kg. That would include the heavy ball bearings, leaving very little for explosives.
Nah, this is for recon and flooding the air defenses with harmless decoys, not offensive action. If enemy is prone to launching eight $4M patriots at each radar blip, it’d be extremely effective.
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Fun_Distribution62734 days ago
+2
I disagree
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PogoMarimo3 days ago
+2
This is literally the opposite of what is going on in Ukraine right now, but I suppose you know better. The highest casualty weapons in Ukraine are small payload drones and artillery shells. Everything else is orders of magnitude less productive at creating casualties.
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StuckieLromigon4 days ago
+2
We have imagined everything possible of future warfare, we thought. But we never imagined it be c**** and boring to not put on screen even.
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Formal_Dare55304 days ago
+2
heck we had those in hour pre-revolution country since we didn't have access to balsa wood. if someone doesn't believe me they were put together using bone marrow glue paper tape. dogs love that shit.
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greentiger3 days ago
+2
It looks like Howard Hughes wasn’t crazy after all, just a bit early to market
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eekay2333 days ago
+2
There's a small group of folks in Ohio called FliteTest that have been doing this for years with Adams Ready Board, making simple easy to build and fly RC aircraft largely aimed at getting parents to do shit with their kids or to get their kids into STEM. Their peak was pre-Covid and last I checked they now have a defense contracting wing.
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Loki-L4 days ago
+2
C**** disposable drones, seem like a much better direction than the extremely expensive, extremely sophisticated drones that are being build in Western Europe and the US.
Of course there is a capability gap between what is essentially an unmanned fighter jet and a cardboard toy, but I imagine that you could get a lot of cardboard toys for the price of one high tech drone and that quantity will have a quality all of its own.
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Adept-Donut-42294 days ago
+1
So heat ray on wide beam
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Icy_Common_69024 days ago
+1
In Japanese history, 80 years ago, there was a case of launching balloons with mines, which were picked up by air currents and carried directly across the ocean.
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milk2015monster4 days ago
+1
Great!
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Tenassiab4 days ago
+1
Next they'll be turning footsteps into electricity ...
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vba74 days ago
+1
> AirKamuy
What does "Kamuy" mean?
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HoneyBadger5524 days ago
+1
hot damn. time to buy more global military ETFs
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Omaestre4 days ago
+1
When the hell is the west going to do something similar instead of the over engineered and expensive drones. Quantity and range is the most important metric.
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xavandetjer3 days ago
+1
It's a variation of an Australian drone, not an indigenous Japanese design.
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yooluvme3 days ago
+1
Make it out of mirrors. Goodluck giant laser ship.
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macross19843 days ago
+1
This might make the drone also semi-invisible to radar like Mosquito fighter-bomber of WW II.
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travellerw3 days ago
+1
Someone keeps spamming the c*** out of this on Listnook. Its not even news. Australia shipped flat pack cardboard drones to Ukraine back at the start of the war.
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SmarmyBarnicles3 days ago
+1
Japan knows their Wuxia, need to economize the White Eagle Alliance
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Law_hacker_10003 days ago
+1
Smalla, cheapa, fasta, bedda
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brakiri3 days ago
+1
recyclable!
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kindnesscostszero3 days ago
+1
I intrinsically felt that making, and playing with paper airplanes as a kid was not a waste of time. And here we are. Unfortunately, I abhor violence… thus monetization in this vein will be left to others. Japanese always have been crafty. Visited there as a child. Beautiful country and populace. Leaders.. I know next to nothing about.
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Fapp03 days ago
+1
Uhhhhh isn't japan supposed to be disarmed still? I mean it's in their constitution and everything.
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Able_Two65762 days ago
+1
I suppose they will help reducing micro-plastics?
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Fomdoo2 days ago
+1
"expendable combat missions" aka Kamikaze 2.0
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Katimbero4 days ago
When this tech ends in the hands of terrorist organizations...
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doskey1234 days ago
+3
Yep. And plans on a 3d printer for the hard parts...
Tbh I have been wondering why there have not been any major incidents with kamikaze drones yet.
From an evil actor POV it makes perfect sense. If you take a look at Ukraine, they are shooting down a good number of drones. But they do it under wartime conditions.
Any western country does not have such an active air cover like Ukraine because they are not at war time. The equipment is at the military bases.
In Germany and Denmark numerous presumably Russian unarmed drones appeared and the governments didn't do / could not do shit.
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dances_with_gnomes4 days ago
+1
That's sorta a matter of time already. Better that governments develop these drones and learn to defend against them than wait for bad actors to develop them.
We're probably still fucked tho.
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[deleted]4 days ago
+1
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Iribumkiak4 days ago
+1
Ukraine has fully revolutionized the next phase of warfare.
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greenbud14 days ago
+1
This is why I live in a rainy country. It's our only line of defence.
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Know-yer-enemy18184 days ago
+1
Better not rain
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Hydronum4 days ago
+1
I am wondering why there has been so many articles about Japan adopting a custom Australian military hardware? Aussies have been using and refining them for years now, with live trials in Ukraine.
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CountessOfCheese3 days ago
+3
I think people are more intrigued by the notion of Japanese arms, since it’s not something we’ve heard much about. Other countries producing similar arms is considered normal.
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nellyruth4 days ago
Cardboard… we’re f@cked. Might as well say paper airplanes.
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GearhedMG4 days ago
Use coroplast and they can fly in inclement weather https://www.spadtothebone.net
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Vussar4 days ago
Weaponised paper planes
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509BandwidthLimit4 days ago
Origami
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RomaHappens4 days ago
Ah, learned from De Havilland
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ryancementhead4 days ago
As long as it’s not raining
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uplandsrep4 days ago
US defense industry probably"aerial, unfolded cardboard:$5million "
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NPC_Chowfest3 days ago
Wtf is wrong with these countries. Is America and allies going to outcheap the home of Temu?????!!! Any price the Japanese can produce these things, China will do at 10% of the price. This is a losing strategy. Why the hell would you play attritional war with China
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iyamwhatiyam80004 days ago
-1
Stealthy cardboard.
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[deleted]4 days ago
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TheMaskedTom4 days ago
+2
> If you want peace, prepare for war.
They have neighbours building massive amounts of those too. They need to exist even if they are never used.
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[deleted]4 days ago
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TheMaskedTom4 days ago
+1
Yes yes, I'm glad you're not in charge of anywhere, because your people would get invaded and they don't deserve that.
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tasslehawf4 days ago
-1
On the nose for Japan
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tohrje4 days ago
-7
Great job Japan. Thnx for giving the idea to countries already engaged in war.
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EvilPhillski4 days ago
+9
This is not a new idea, Japan got the idea from what the countries currently engaged in war are using.
Since March 2023 Australia has been providing Ukraine with cardboard drones [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-03/ukraine-war-australian-made-cardboard-drones-russia-warfare/102804120](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-03/ukraine-war-australian-made-cardboard-drones-russia-warfare/102804120)
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spo_on4 days ago
-2
What happens when it rains?
-2
Thagyr4 days ago
+8
Like the Australian ones they are likely waxed so are somewhat resistant to wet weather
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spo_on4 days ago
+1
Ah that makes sense
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GenericUsername20564 days ago
+1
Australians are all waxed?
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Which_Appointment4504 days ago
+3
It gets wet
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Boogincity4 days ago
-2
This is the most Chinese thing ever. Even their drones are built cheaply.
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