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News & Current Events Apr 9, 2026 at 1:38 AM

Japan is sending engineers to Ukraine’s frontline — and they’re coming back with $2,500 weapon

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Japan is sending engineers to Ukraine's frontline — and they're coming back with $2,500 weapon - Euromaidan Press
Euromaidan Press
Japan is sending engineers to Ukraine's frontline — and they're coming back with $2,500 weapon - Euromaidan Press
Japanese company Terra Drone expands in Ukraine, sending engineers to test interceptor drones in combat and collaborating with Amazing Drones.

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Oghier 2 days ago +2942
TLDR: A Japanese drone manufacturer (Terra Drone) is developing a c**** interceptor drone, specifically designed to counter Iran's Shahed drones. They have people in Ukraine to manufacture and test it in actual wartime conditions.
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manachar 2 days ago +1359
Putin gifted arms manufacturers around the world years of real world testing.
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TritiumXSF 2 days ago +722
It's more of a ritualistic sacrifice. We get data at the cost of lives uprooted, children traumatized, civilians maimed, and soldiers, many having still 70-80 years left to them, die.
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norunningwater 2 days ago +544
EVERY GUN THAT IS MADE EVERY WARSHIP LAUNCHED EVERY ROCKET FIRED SIGNIFIES IN A FINAL SENSE A THEFT FROM THOSE WHO HUNGER AND ARE NOT FED THOSE WHO ARE COLD AND NOT CLOTHED
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Resident_Monk_4493 2 days ago +93
That statement fits any point in time for the last 150 years pretty much everywhere in the world
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ValeoAnt 2 days ago +70
Mate it fits any time in humanity. This is who we are.
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beachedwhale1945 1 day ago +20
And is the ultimate sad rebuttal to it. So long as we are humans, some of us will take advantage of others, stealing from them directly or indirectly for their own benefit. They will raise militaries to maximize the theft, so others will raise their own militaries to defend against theft (accepting some theft in the process). As a military historian and enthusiast, I would love if militaries were unnecessary. Sadly that will never happen.
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GalFisk 1 day ago +3
As someone interested in psychology, I think we can make some good strides by figuring out what makes people want to do these things, how to make them not want to do such things, and how to recognize warning signs before they're given power. This psychology lecture on how bullies arise and how they can be cured is very interesting: https://youtu.be/ZhcT7jf5Av4
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Chrono_Pregenesis 1 day ago +17
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream. To kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." - Z. Brannigan
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abitofthisandabitof 1 day ago +1
> To kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things. But they aren't obligated to have to learn, look or assimilate. I'd say tribalism itself is proof that some part of human function wants and seeks the common and known. It isn't an explanation for why there is a need to hurt the other, unless they're vying for the same resources.
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metalconscript 1 day ago +1
Man I’d love my job to disappear tonight. I’m getting my family ready to drop retirement paperwork. Retire a traditional guardsman instead of getting an ‘active duty’ 20 yr retirement.
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dikicker 1 day ago +1
Tis true, and my response is boooooooooooooo why can't these egotistical cunts just f*** all the way off, maybe go live on an island together somewhere oh wait
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krneki534 2 days ago +14
That statement fits any point in time
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iboneyandivory 1 day ago
yep, so let's just not think about it
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Atherum 1 day ago +3
Putting my favourite quote from Steven Erikson's magnificent "Malazan Book of the Fallen" epic "“‘Children are dying.’ Lull nodded. ‘That’s a succinct summary of humankind, I’d say. Who needs tomes and volumes of history? Children are dying. The injustices of the world hide in those three words.’” - *Deadhouse Gates* Steven Erikson
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frerant 2 days ago +9
Yeah, not sure that food programs would have prevented Russia invading Ukraine.
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Sawendro 2 days ago +51
If Russia has been spending on its food programmes instead of its weapons it would have. That's the point.
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Mindless-Peak-1687 2 days ago -6
Nope, because it's not a free society, its not logic, its assholes who don't care for anything but themselves. no amount of well wishing will change that. You have to defend yourself or the world would become a lot darker place. Your take is so naive it's making you handicapped. I'm all for no war, but assholes don't care. You are "All evil needs to triumph, is for good people to do nothing".
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Sawendro 1 day ago +5
Are you wilfully not engaging your brain, or are you just stupid? "For good people to do nothing"... so you would call running and operating these kinds of programmes "nothing"? Do you think that the Red Cross or Medecin Sans Frontiere or soup kitchens and the like just appear out of thin air? Removing the inequities and inequalities that allow people to be exploited by "assholes", the exploitation that makes fodder of the poor for the wars of the rich is "nothing"? How many people sign up for military service to get out of poor home lives? To get a decent job when there are none around them, or because the education system in their area was so underfunded that they have so few options? Its greater than you think. Bad actors WILL always remain in society, its true. And not opposing them allows them to gain power and influence is also true. That opposition can take place on the battlefield, but it shouldn't *need* to. It should be stopped before it ever gets to that stage *by removing the factors that allow bad actors to rally the indifferent to their cause*.
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norunningwater 1 day ago +2
They're just stupid.
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Emergency-Hat-8715 2 days ago -25
The point of a child, I guess? Just not impressed with you fucks crying about Ukraine defending itself or the Nazis being defeated
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Sawendro 2 days ago +29
?? It was a statement...in defence of Ukraine? That Russia wouldn't be invading their neighbours if they invested internally in their own people rather than on military gear? How the f*** did you get that turned around?
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ValuableSoggy5305 2 days ago +10
It's honestly a miracle that you can be that illiterate and yet still are able to write.
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anti_zero 2 days ago +5
Whoa whoosh
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Hihlander197 2 days ago +1
Dry your eyes Igor
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norunningwater 1 day ago +4
Dumbass take
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PresentRaspberry6814 2 days ago +2
AND THOSE WHO USED TO BE ALIVE
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ThoseProse 1 day ago +1
This sounds like it could be sung by la dispute and would fit so well.
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Delamoor 2 days ago +42
Welcome to every war. "War drives innovation!" Flipside: *gestures at everything* People used to love talking about how much technological progress was made in the first and second world wars... But kinda tended to skirt past, y'know... All the mass death and collapse of empires and genocide and generational trauma and the potentially civilization ending weapons developments and stuff...
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McNoodleBar 2 days ago +23
I don't think I've ever heard anyone skip past the atrocities of either world wars. Especially WW2.
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Defiant-Warthog-5597 2 days ago +19
My history teacher in school managed to spend so much time with other stuff, so we stopped before the beginning of WW2. I am living in AUSTRIA, the birthplace of Hitler. What my history teacher did was on purpose and a lot of old history teachers in Austria and Germany did this. Far right "Freedom Party" Freiheitliche Partei Österreich is at 35% at the moment if you believe the polls, next is the not much less right "People's Party" Österreichische Volkpartei with 22%. Social democrats who were once the biggest party and who were ruling with the people's party for most of modern austrian history is at 18% and sinking, getting most votes from old people who still remember shit...
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onarainyafternoon 1 day ago +1
Well that's not at all alarming.....
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maiznieks 2 days ago +6
I live in post soviet country, i was born in ussr. Schools and local culture were oppressed so much, the ww2 was always mentioned as heroic, where soviet russia won the Germany and somehow the attribution was carried over to modern russia, despite vassal countries fighting the actual front lines. Anyhow, i don't think there has been a good lesson from either war, imperialism thought still lives, even in a modern society, the dead and losses are ignored for no reason.
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Delamoor 2 days ago +3
Spend time in war nerd circles. They're too busy getting excited about tanks and planes to think about anything else.
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Morat20 1 day ago +2
One of the interesting bits of the Cold War and the Space Race was it drove technological innovation quite hard, but with a lot fewer dead people and blown up infrastructure.
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twitterfluechtling 2 days ago +10
True. The blame is with the party starting the war, though, not with the scientists using it to improve defensive measures. Lemons, lemonade... 
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Mobtor 1 day ago +1
Fanta, actually, to steal your analogy
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Optimal_Juggernaut37 2 days ago +5
> We get data at the cost of lives uprooted, children traumatized, civilians maimed, and soldiers, many having still 70-80 years left to them, die. Those lives were going to go through that regardless of whether military contractors got that data or not. Trump was even willing to go to war with Iran before going up against his pappy patriarch in Moscow.
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spidereater 2 days ago +31
I feel like this is what Trump is doing with American fighter jets. Anyone with ideas for hitting us probably sending ideas to Iran.
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ReturnedAndReported 2 days ago +44
Turns out we never built hardened bunkers at our middle east airfields and lost some planes just sitting there. All that defense money but not enough for a concrete roof or even an earth berm.
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Radamat 2 days ago +7
Same in Russia. No concrete shelters for planes on most airfields. But a lot villas for high commands.
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YakResident_3069 2 days ago +18
Great for the defense budget. My buddy did tours in Iraq. He said the churn was intentional. MIC $. GI blood
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794309497 2 days ago +27
Yep. Secrecy was one of our strengths for decades. That's mostly gone now. He's likely sold most of it to Russia already, and the rest is being exposed in a pointless war run by idiots.
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PrestondeTipp 2 days ago -6
Iranian air defences are depleted to the point the US is using 4th gen fighters. The original F15 entered service in 1976. The vast majority of US aircraft losses in the conflict with Iran are Reaper drones.
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raerae1991 2 days ago
Source on aircraft losses, I have been able to come up with concrete numbers
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PrestondeTipp 2 days ago -2
Wikipedia has a great article
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DaimonHans 2 days ago +5
But at what cost?
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ZhanBlue 2 days ago +5
And apparently Americans learned nothing
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naarwhal 1 day ago +2
Listnookors genuinely think they’re geniuses. That’s literally how any war works.
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420_69_Fake_Account 1 day ago +1
The drone wars have begun.
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Redducer 2 days ago +1
It’s a similar situation to the Spanish civil war at the time. We know how that ended.
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AssistX 1 day ago
Ah yes, nothing reminds me more of the Spanish Civil War than a Reaper or A10 screaming overhead.
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Celtic_Legend 2 days ago +94
The thumbnail and title makes it look like Japan is going to the front lines to seize drones that cost 2500
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PizzaWarlock 1 day ago +8
Everyone's heard of ducks at the park being free, but something else the government doesn't want you to know is that drones on the frontline are also free. You can just grab one and take it home (I don't advise it though)
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ChompyChomp 1 day ago -2
That's pretty much the way it works. The basic rules only allow _soldiers_ to take a frontline action, but once you have the expansion you can use scientists during a frontline action to generate BIOWEAPON tokens, or (as in this case) engineers to generate WEAPONTECH, but when you take that action you also remove a single piece of equipment from the frontline and gain $2.5K - (but that can only be used in the research phase!)
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ty_xy 2 days ago +83
China is learning a lot from Ukraine, Iran and Russia. It's analogous to the Chinese inventing fireworks, and the west taking it to make gunpowder and weapons. The Chinese use swarm drones for big aerial displays, but can you imagine an AI powered swarm of 50000 drones each carrying a killing charge of c4? They could just drive a container ship up to the port and release the swarm off the coast.
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VoldemortsHorcrux 2 days ago +55
The defense companies better be developing countermeasures. Because at this point it seems like a swarm could take down a carrier or carrier group if its overloaded enough
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Bubbles_2025 2 days ago +19
You’re right, I hadn’t even thought of that scenario. There’s nothing they could do against thousands of drones in close proximity. The C-RAMs and other systems couldn’t keep up.
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unusually_awkward 2 days ago +12
US Navy already patented a flying EMP in 2020 https://patents.google.com/patent/US11378362B2/en
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GoodTeletubby 2 days ago +11
To be fair, they did it [back in the 1950s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIR-2_Genie), too.
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socialistrob 2 days ago +7
At least for now small drones tend to have shorter ranges so unless the ship is close to shore it would be hard for it to be hit by lots of small drones. The problem for ships right now is naval drones which can be about the size of a jetski full of a explosives. Just one or two is enough to sink a ship. People like to joke around a lot about how Russia lost a bunch of warships to a country with no navy but at the same time US warships are staying out of the strait of Hormuz. Ships are so expensive and take so long to make and right now they're incredibly vulnerable. It might even give China pause before attacking Taiwan.
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BigHandLittleSlap 2 days ago +4
> small drones tend to have shorter ranges Ukraine solved this with larger "mothership" drones dropping a bunch of smaller ones.
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ad3z10 1 day ago +3
Fundamentally, it's the same issue as torpedoes which were never really solved. Ships are incredibly vulnerable to big hits at/below the waterline and it's very hard to detect and destroy the incoming weapons. The only big change with naval drones is that they're much cheaper and easier to deploy so any nations unable to develop subs can make use of them.
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geo_prog 1 day ago +1
The issue is bigger than that. The NATO standard MK 46 torpedo costs around $1 million. Sure, it's fast - quiet and hard to stop. But the new brand of naval drones are multi-role, c**** and have insane operational ranges up to 1000km. They are armed with anti-air missiles which would be deadly against carrier launched aircraft and when that is done they can swarm a surface ship and sink it. All for less than the cost of a torpedo that needs a launch platform within 12km to be effective. Like every war before this, the weapons of this war have shown that conventional military doctrine from the last war is obsolete yet again.
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1337duck 2 days ago +3
Feels like [VT fuze](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_fuze) flaks would do a number on them. Problem is that most ships went the rocket interceptor path in the last half a century. Seems they'll need to go back. That and birdshots.
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flyingtrucky 1 day ago +2
Return to WW2 with 90+ AA mounts. Aircraft carriers are going to turn into Battlestars.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +1
Radio jamming.
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geo_prog 1 day ago +2
A lot of them are autonomous with inertial navigation to back up GPS if it fails. Won't be as accurate but once the cameras can see the target it is trivial to lock on autonomously.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +1
Good point.
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swervyy 1 day ago -1
Would be completely ineffective against the type being used that are controlled by fiber optic cable
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ty_xy 1 day ago +2
Yes but the fiber optic cable type is even more limited by range 5-20km, normally used as loitering munition or surveillance. I'm not sure of its effectiveness in swarm drones due to the risk of tangling, or in naval drones.
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flyingtrucky 1 day ago +2
Naval would have pathetically short ranges, the current would just sweep away like a third of your cable.
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SuperVaderMinion 2 days ago +10
Shows how little I know about how any technology works that my brain goes to some sci-fi like EMP shockwave that shuts off all the of the drones in a radius, but somehow I bet that's more complicated than it is in the movies
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IndecentOsprey 2 days ago +12
NNEMP weapons are, in fact, the main approach the US has been investigating to handle drone swarms. See something like [THOR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THOR_(weapon)).
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TechnicalDecision160 1 day ago +2
THOR and Epirus Leonidas are not very effective, huge form factor and requires tremendous amounts of energy from caps. There are highly effective solutions at the GW level on the horizon.
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Misfiring 2 days ago +8
The navy does have microwave emitters that can fry drone internals, but more expensive drones will have shieldings to block it.
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811545b2-4ff7-4041 2 days ago +3
And those more expensive drones also have to be bigger and heavier to have that shielding - increasing costs, reducing the likelihood of them being used in large drone swarms etc.
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BlueHeartbeat 1 day ago +1
So what if the navy has a microwave? I have one in my kitchen too!
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Nerevarine91 2 days ago +6
I’ve worried about a similar scenario before. Honestly, I wonder if drone swarm terrorism might be more a question of *when* than *if*.
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SYSproud 1 day ago +2
There's a sci-fi short on Youtube that basically covers this. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU)
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ps120evo 2 days ago +4
> down a carrier or carrier group if its overloaded enough Ryan Mcbeth has a video on this. Basically says the carrier group will see the threat long before the small drones get a chance to be deployed, i.e, anything in the sea within 100km will be destroyed. Small drones only have a 30 to 40km range atm.
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Gadgetman_1 2 days ago +5
Ryan Mcbeth is good, but did he discuss hybrid drone attacks? Ukraine has launched missiles and I believe also drones from their marine drones. Also, the 100Km range assumes that the carrier group has active AWACS or similar high altitude systems. A ship-mounted RADAR mounted at 150meters(490 or so foot) has a horizon at 50.48Km(31.something miles) and may be able to spot something low-flying a little further out, if it can differentiate it from choppy waves. Coastal areas also brings new issues. Any little islet or old oil rig or whatever may be a launch site for drones, which means the carrier either has to stay far out to sea, or they have to 'secure' all those points. And that small fishing boat on the horizon that surveillance says carries no suspicious-looking equipment? Could be towing underwater drones. (google Operation Title from WWII when a boat from the 'Shetland Bus' was towing a pair of mini subs to attack Tirpitz with. ) Sonar won't spot the underwater drones as long as they're being towed. And if they later travel just below the waves they will still be difficult to spot.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +3
Carrier groups will have active and passive sonar going and asw helos, etc.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +1
Yes, even underwater carrier groups have crazy good protection, active and passive sonar, e***** attack subs, asw helos, etc etc... What about stealth mother drones that carry smaller drones and act as a relay for the smaller ones?...
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ty_xy 2 days ago +5
Would be hard though, for a swarm to come close to the carrier which is in the middle of a carrier group. Perhaps a swarm of submarine launched underwater drones? But not sure if they can penetrate the hull thickness of an aircraft carrier. Or even reach it...
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ol-gormsby 2 days ago +5
Perhaps the idea is to overwhelm the defenses with lots and lots of little targets, overloading or distracting the analysis software and human operators so giving the real payload a better chance of getting through, such as a missile, sea drone, or torpedo. Hundreds of small drones cluttering up radar so a big drone or missile can't be accurately targeted by defense weapons. The swarm might not even be armed with explosives, but equipped with reflectors to give them a larger radar profile, or reflectors designed to scatter the radar. Imagine five hundred small drones with radar reflectors, what's it going to look like on a screen? One big fuzzy cloud? It just occurred to me that a massive shock wave might be effective against a swarm if an EM pulse doesn't work. If you detect a swarm approaching and it's still far away enough, launch a missile designed to produce an intense shock wave. Or launch four large drones carrying a ginormous net 🤪 Or launch a bunch of drones that spray raw petrol in the path of the swarm, and then ignite it, AKA fuel-air explosion.
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HixOff 2 days ago +1
>overloading or distracting the analysis software and human operators so giving the real payload a better chance of getting through, such as a missile, sea drone, or torpedo Not only that, but all traditional methods (machine guns, missiles, cannons) have a limited number of shots/charges before they need to be reloaded, which takes time. You know a ship has a heavy anti-aircraft system with 12 launchers. Send in 20-30 drones, and there won't be enough missiles to destroy them all. A light one with a machine gun or cannons? Attack from different sides with small drones, which are difficult to hit with a bullet or accurately set the shell's fuse. The most armed ship is in the center of the group? Take naval drones; its own flotilla will prevent it from attacking distant naval targets. Laser weapons are partially free of these problems, but they require a ton of energy and good weather. EMP weapons, especially if they're used in large volumes rather than targeted, can fry the electronics of a neighboring ship.
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TechnicalDecision160 1 day ago +1
HPM for the win.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +2
Probably active jammers. So if these drone swarms come you turn on the jamming and they go down. In Ukraine they have gotten around it with fiberoptic cables but that would be hard with swarms
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GrandRub 2 days ago +1
you "only" need a big swarm of drones and a few missiles. overload the defence - and then release the kraken.
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BigHandLittleSlap 2 days ago +1
Tiny drones might not do much against ship armor, but the fighters up on the deck are comparatively soft targets.
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TechnicalDecision160 1 day ago +1
Trust me, there are techs in the work to cUAS problems like this.
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Jlocke98 2 days ago +1
Lasers are the end game counter to c**** drones
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Puzzleheaded-Road398 2 days ago -1
Lol, you know what’s a c**** countermeasure though? Mirrors. What’s a laser going to do against a reflective coating?
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Gadgetman_1 2 days ago +4
This depends on wavelengths, though. Some surface coatings are better at reflecting some wavelengths than others. Bronze mirrors seems to work better for IR radiation than other types of mirrors, for example. and a 50KW LASER will still burn through, it just takes a bit longer.
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Federal_Cobbler6647 2 days ago
It is not any different than saturation attack with anti shipping missiles. 
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GoodTeletubby 2 days ago +3
I feel like China is even more interested in these dronekillers than attack drones. Part of the philosophy of the fleet they've been building to take Taiwan has been more hulls, to dilute the impact of things like big, expensive US shipkiller missiles. But now, c****, numerous, attack drones are a potentially serious threat that almost directly counters that exact philosophy, and Ukraine and Iran are showing just how devastating they can be for small nations going up against superpower-class opponents.
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ty_xy 2 days ago +3
I'm quite familiar with Taiwan and China and having done military training in Taiwan and their current situation I don't think they are that up to date with drone tech and planned asymmetric warfare. China is pushing forward very strongly with robotic and unmanned systems as well. Yes, you are right that their current philosophy is still "quality through quantity". I just don't see Taiwan pulling a Ukraine on China and I don't see china pulling a Russia on Taiwan if you get what I mean.
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ol-gormsby 2 days ago +2
Its "The Dambusters" again! Bouncing bombs that sink and explode directly against the inner face of the dam. Or an earthquake bomb that liquefies the earth underneath the dam face.
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Mech0z 1 day ago +2
https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU > In a dystopian world a new form of A.I. weaponry has been created. All these drone bots need is a profile: age, sex, fitness, uniform, and ethnicity. Nuclear is obsolete. Take out your entire enemy virtually risk free. Just characterize him, release the swarm, and rest easy. Wish this was still dystopian
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bcoin_nz 2 days ago +1
you want like a wall of drones around your border that can spring up at any moment
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FriendshipOnly666 1 day ago +1
>analogous to the Chinese inventing fireworks, and the west taking it to make gunpowder and weapons. Your analogy is all sorts of wrong btw lol. Chinese invented gunpowder first, fireworks and weaponry came after it. Also China did make weapons with the gunpowder before Europeans did.
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j0y0 1 day ago +1
If they did that once, ships wouldn't be allowed out of their country again, and ~400 million people in their country would be dead in a few months time. 
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ty_xy 1 day ago +1
What's your thinking here? Why would 400 million people be dead?
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j0y0 1 day ago +1
Because China is extremely vulnerable to being blockaded and having critical infrastructure bombed, and if China did something like that, the American people would be united and have the political will to do that.
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ty_xy 1 day ago +1
sorry is this from credible sources? Because the Chinese coast line is pretty huge and not that easy to blockade without affecting US allies Korea, Japan and Taiwan, and the Chinese have built infrastructure in the south china sea. They have a pretty big navy as well. I know america has had a lot of success in Iran and Venezuela but in all war games held it's been a bloodbath for both sides.
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Jellicent-Leftovers 1 day ago +1
Remember that weather balloon the US shot down.....that was the size of a regional passenger jet. The balloon itself only costs a couple thousand. It could rain 50k drones down spread out across the US.
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TheGisbon 2 days ago +13
What a time to be alive
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kentuckywildcats1986 1 day ago +3
Japanese mass-produced military drones would be an amazing industry. They could do the damage of a single Tomahawk cruise missile for a ten-thousandth of the cost.
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itjohan73 1 day ago +1
Many arms dealer does this. It's the perfect testing ground
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stevesmele 2 days ago +472
Is this why the Japanese ambassador was called in to the Foreign Ministry in Moscow?
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onee_san_bath_water 2 days ago +200
Pretty much
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ProtoplanetaryNebula 2 days ago +163
Wonder how that actually goes down? We are trying to kill people with these drones and you are trying to stop us? I always think purely defensive weapons are hard to have an argument against.
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hoishinsauce 2 days ago +94
"You need to stop trying to develop countermeasures to our weapons because it might be ineffective against you"
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Nerevarine91 2 days ago +73
I mean, that’s basically a microcosm of one of the justifications Russia used for the war itself. “We’re invading you to make sure you don’t join an alliance to defend yourself from us if we invade you.”
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MaxTheCookie 1 day ago +11
Well their 2022 invasion is the reason Sweden and Finland finally joined NATO...
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Mathfanforpresident 1 day ago +8
The world should have acted in 2014 when they annexed 20% if their country.
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Nerevarine91 1 day ago +1
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Hironymus 2 days ago +12
Calling an ambassador into the Foreign Ministry is the equivalent of wagging your finger or slamming the door on your way out. The ambassador comes in, the foreign minister leaves them waiting for a little bit longer than decorum allows and after that they usually just have a civilized talk about whatever happened.
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sda963109 1 day ago +3
Not really, people are always angry about Israel having defensive weapons, and often use that as an arguement that Israel have no right to retaliate when bombed since they can intercept the attacks.
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autoeroticassfxation 2 days ago +16
Surprised they let their ambassador go to Moscow! Japan has had an unresolved conflict with Russia since WW2.
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edelweiss_pirates_no 2 days ago +581
Japan knows how to engineer and manufacture. Nice to see the connection with Ukraine.
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donniedarko5555 2 days ago +198
Its so embarrassing that the US looked at Ukraine for all these years and didn't develop c**** anti drone tech or even tactical level anti drone training. This was with Iran has been a huge wake up call for how the US military is slipping,
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CipherWeaver 2 days ago +105
The American military still has some amazing technologies, but what's really obvious is how much more *expensive* American stuff. 
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MetriccStarDestroyer 2 days ago +39
It's from a complete mismatch. The split between missiles vs guns has been a long issue between reformers. Missiles ultimately won out but now we're seeing how ill suited they are for drones. Now everyone's hoping energy weapons can solve it as being more fast, accurate, and c****.
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PowderEagle_1894 2 days ago +20
Still in the same time UK have developed laser weapon specificly tailored to counter drones with each shot cost $13. It's more like the American military industrial complex learnt nothing
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imthatoneguyyouknew 1 day ago +6
The US, UK, China, Israel, Turkey, India, and Russia all have laser weapons in service. The US installed the first HELIOS system on an Arleigh Burke class, somewhere between 2019 and 2021and it has been used in combat this year. The US built lasers while building missiles, and the UK is still building various missiles as well while building lasers.
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Sawendro 2 days ago +9
Victors always prepare to fight the last war.
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ScriptThat 2 days ago +2
$13 per shot, yes, but what is the cost of the unit itself?
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811545b2-4ff7-4041 2 days ago +16
We've made 2 systems so far, costing about $207m each - or the cost of about 50 patriot missiles. But that's included development costs. They should be able to cut this down for future production runs - [sauce](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-armed-forces-as-new-laser-weapon-takes-down-high-speed-drones#:~:text=The%20laser%20system%20costs%20just%20%C2%A310%20per,%E2%80%93%20five%20years%20faster%20than%20originally%20planned)
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Fluffcake 2 days ago +3
Check back on the cost after 100 systems delivered and installed. The ability to reliably wipe out and trade up against a drone swarm before it connects is a hole that needs filling in the modern battlefield.
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TheAngryGoat 1 day ago +1
Both Ukraine and russia are a bit too depleted and running hand to mouth to really show us the next gen of drone attacks. Currently we're seeing old world effectiveness at a fraction of the price. What happens when we see a better funded, well prepared military say not "this does the the job of an old school missile at 1/1000th the price" but instead "here's an impossible to stop autonomous swarm of 5000 drones instead of the 5 missiles we would have launched. Oh there are currently 10 other swarms attacking other targets". The range that such a hypothetical attack can be launched from grows each day.
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ScriptThat 2 days ago +2
That makes it fine for defending a city or lager installation, but not really suitable for field use.
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811545b2-4ff7-4041 2 days ago +7
It's primary use is with the Royal Navy on our Type 45 destroyers
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ScriptThat 2 days ago +1
Then I'd call it a success. I just read it as an alternative to the Japanese solution.
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MaxTheCookie 1 day ago +1
They put them on ships
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AssistX 1 day ago
> Still in the same time UK have developed laser weapon specificly tailored to counter drones with each shot cost $13. It's more like the American military industrial complex learnt nothing The US has had laser weapons on their destroyers for almost 2 decades now edit: ok.. HELIOS, ODIN, and then HELCAP and SONGBOW. Lasers are not new technology in weapons, the US infamously used it during the Vietnam war for targeting and then as destructive weapons throughout the various engagements. The UK's Dragonfire is similar to HELIOS, but the US HELIOS is currently being used as it's much farther along in development.
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socialistrob 2 days ago +6
I think it's just difficult to completely shift a method of thinking in a short time frame. When the US was fighting the War on Terror the US had orders of magnitude more money for the war than their enemies. At the same time groups like the insurgents were also relatively low in number and the biggest weakness for the US was the political fallout of dead soldiers. It created an environment where it was totally acceptable to spend millions of dollars worth of ammo to destroy a couple Toyota hiluxes but that starts to fall apart when the US is forced to counter large state actors. If the US was forced to fight against China they would struggle. China has the a huge population advantage and China's economy (PPP adjusted) is roughly on par with the US, UK, Canada, Australia and Taiwan combined. That same level of gold plated solutions just wouldn't work on China.
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AssistX 1 day ago +2
> China's economy (PPP adjusted) is roughly on par no it's not. If you're going to talk about China's economy then you need to do a little more research into their economy. Specifically what is currently preventing them from going into economic collapse. China and the US are more self-sustainable than most countries, but China cannot survive without the US market keeping their economy afloat. The US is responsible for roughly 20% of the exports out of China, so China would go into a massive deflation within their country which leads to much harsher job losses than inflation. EVs, batteries, and chinese consumer products throughout the world would plummet(70-90% decrease likely) because China would be forced to gut excess inventory to attempt to salvage their economy. Europe and Asia would benefit greatly temporarily due to the economic turmoil but the tanking of the Yuan would lead to excessive Recessions in most of the world. The US wouldn't face most of these issues because of how the dollar is a global currency supported by dozens of countries own banks as well as being the primary currency for almost all fossil fuels and rare earth minerals. The US would face huge amounts of inflation but their biggest threat would by far be their populous, which China hasn't had to worry about in modern times due to their human rights violations.
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raerae1991 2 days ago +5
And manufacturing time
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Fluffcake 2 days ago +4
American arms manufacturers have had blank check r&d budgets funded by allies for 8 decades making weapons to fight theoretical wars. Which have resulted in some amazing products for deterrence, but the US have not fought a war they have had to defend themselves from repeat atracks since muskets and cannons where state of the art, so their defensive weapons trade down and are financially unsustainable for long term engagements. If you can't take over the airspace and hold the ground as you destroy the enemies ability to fight back, you can't afford to fight a war using American weapons. We've seen it in Ukraine and we've seen it in Iran.
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halfcookies 2 days ago +2
Yo that ain’t expense it’s top line revenue
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edelweiss_pirates_no 1 day ago +1
USA's response to battlefield realities in Ukraine was measured against maximizing company profits. Remember: The entire USA serves ONLY to maximize short term profits for the elite. Every action is seen thru that lens. That's why there is zero long term future for the USA.
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wildweaver32 1 day ago +1
Negative. The MIC isn't there to make the best weapons at the cheapest price. The MIC wants billions of dollars. It's why just a week or two ago one of the CEO's of the weapon manufactures referenced Ukraine drones were being made by wives in kitchens lol. The US still hasn't learned. The MIC doesn't want it to cost 2,500 dollars to intercept a missile. They want it to cost one of their multimillion dollar interceptors. That's one of the problems with capitalism the almighty dollar wins. The US Mic won't start making c**** drones until no one is buying there multi-million dollar defense systems. And by then it will be leagues behind.
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Fresh_Boysenberry576 1 day ago +1
Why would anyone in the millitary care about doing anything c****? They get more money if they just say they need expensive stuff. The companies aren't gonna try to downsell anyone from expensive materials to c**** ones. The government wants to increase military spending. Its all completely fcked
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Mikogaki 2 days ago +1
Its complacency of US military Basically like how they are so complacent about having zero dogfights during the coldwar till they have to face head to head with Soviet jets during vietnam And the foxbat scare that Basically broke US and goes full panic and developed F15 (104-1) which dominated the skies for a very long time US..needs that kind of scare for them to go back developing new weapons that is efficient and c**** to operate
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MydaisyChange 2 days ago +120
This is how we get Robotech.
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Volistar 2 days ago +51
Arasaka ninjas here we come
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GoodTeletubby 2 days ago +9
Arasaka autonomous, hunter-killer sea mines, here we come. At least they don't have the tech to make them self-replicating.
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Identita_Nascosta 2 days ago +4
Not yet.
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BrianGooner 2 days ago +26
Robotech was because of retrofitted alien technology. This is how we get Gundams
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leixiaotie 2 days ago +12
gundams without gundarium alloy are useless against those drone swarm with explosives. Even missle barrages will be effective against those huge hit area tanks. if they made phase shift armor though, things are different
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MydaisyChange 2 days ago +16
Ok Nerd. JK. clearly you are correct.
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DarkLeafz 1 day ago +1
YUTANI :)
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boner79 1 day ago +1
anything to get a real SDF-1 during my lifetime.
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kqlx 2 days ago +31
please japan, give Ukraine Gundams
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KingoftheMongoose 1 day ago +3
The Year. Is After Colony 195…
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DepartmentSudden5234 2 days ago +43
The title is atrocious but we get it... Japan is about to go "Toyota during the 80s" in drone manufacturing.
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Sawendro 2 days ago +25
Here in Japan, there's still big discussions about Article 9 of the Constitution. "Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized. " A small armed force is maintained (the Self-Defence Forces), but there was talk of rewriting article 9 to allow Japanese forces to deploy to support allied countries overseas (particularly with an eye to doing things like field engineering, UN Peacekeeping etc). It hasn't really gone anywhere. One of the talking points is about the cost in lives etc. With drones, that talking point goes away, and - being short ranged vs ICBMs etc. - they can be claimed as self-defence weapons. In short, there's rumblings of building large drone swarms.
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beryugyo619 1 day ago +3
Not really, it has to get a bit more serious for Japan to start spending R&D coins on weapons but if it does get serious we'll be seeing bunch of quarterlily updating autonomous flying killbot brands from both China & Japan
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728766 2 days ago +100
There’s a reason Japanese engineering and manufacturing has the reputation it does. Here’s hoping Russia soon finds out why. 
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Youare-Beautiful3329 2 days ago +33
So the Japanese are increasing their support of Ukraine with technology too? Wow, that’s awesome!
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Key_Entertainer2883 1 day ago +9
This headline needs some type of grammatical amendment in order to be understood.
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getpoopedon 2 days ago +23
its inspirational to see US allies fighting to hold together the world order, while the US is actively trying to tear it apart. Hold strong friends!
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Broken_chairs 2 days ago +12
The future is gundam
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PNWchild 2 days ago +55
Japanese engineers will find a way to make the Ukraine even more efficient, and bring military secrets back to our deep alliance. Russia human waves have been bouncing off the Shield of Democracy ever since the illegal invasion began. We should divert US ground forces from Iran to Crimea asap to push Russia back. Slava Ukraine 💛💙🇺🇦❤️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦
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draconyfors 2 days ago +5
thanks
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InvincibleToyHuman 2 days ago +4
mmm, perfect chance for a Blue Destiny prototype
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No_Beautiful_2779 1 day ago +3
Beta testing with real weapons is some crazy shit
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MunkyMajik 1 day ago +3
Send in the VF-1 Valkyries and the YF-21's!
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Old_Leshen 1 day ago +3
They should name these interceptors "Anti drone kamikaze no jutsu"
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Cycleofmadness 2 days ago +6
Them Japanese at it again- taking something that already works & making it better.
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Waste_Character_8255 2 days ago +3
After a funding winter in software startups, it's time for war related startups to come forward. Strange times we live in.
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johnnyhokkaido 2 days ago +4
Good for Taiwan maybe?
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remer_1z101 1 day ago +1
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kaloii 1 day ago +1
Mechas. Please, please, please.
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darkbit1001 1 day ago +1
Oh yeeeeaaah! We’ll get NeRV before GTA Vi!!
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QuarterFlounder 2 days ago -2
What?
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