If Japan wants more Japanese people they are going to need to seriously overhaul their work and life dynamics or things are gonna get bad.
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BeginningShine69Mar 28, 2026
+1687
Germany has among the lowest working hours in the world and a similarly low fertility rate.
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DontRefuseMyBatchallMar 28, 2026
+1089
The f****** insane part is that I think Germany is around 1.5 birth rate (I can’t remember if it’s children per married couple or just children per adult population) while Japan is like 1.2, meanwhile Korea is a dystopian 0.9 or some shit. (Replacement rate is I think 1.9 or 2)
Those other numbers are bad and yet Korea just takes the absolute cake.
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AdHomMar 28, 2026
+765
Replacement rate is 2, technically, one child each to replace their mother and father. But generally it is given as 2.1 at least because you need to account for some number of children dying in infancy or being sterile or otherwise unable to reproduce.
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smellybritMar 28, 2026
+333
Germany is 1.3. Spain and Italy are even lower than Japan.
Correlates more with female educational attainment more than anything
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nvn911Mar 29, 2026
+391
I think the correlation is closer to how absolutely fucked everything is getting.
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Gold_Scene5360Mar 29, 2026
+154
The population of Spain was 8million in 1700, it’s 48 million now. Italy was 14million, it’s 59million now. Japan was 30million people in 1700 and it’s 125million now. Back then the vast majority of those people were farmers. Just tell me why do we need such massive populations? A steady population decline is a god send for the environment and the future of our species.
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notrevealingrealnameMar 29, 2026
+110
Steady decline is one thing, what Japan and Korea are looking at isn’t that. It also doesn’t account for the fact that the current economic system isn’t built to accommodate such rapid decline either.
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tcmart14Mar 29, 2026
+51
That part is the real kicker. Lots of economies and policies are built with some notion of population growth happening in mind.
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notrevealingrealnameMar 29, 2026
+16
Yep, and those need to be adjusted while the decline is still relatively slow. Pension systems need to find additional revenue sources, market expectations need to be re-set so that GDP stagnation or reduction doesn’t result in mass panic, businesses need to start getting used to the idea that the labor pool is not, in fact, endless…
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Kronman590Mar 29, 2026
+19
The problem is age. Less people might mean more resources if you're Thanos, but more likely itll mean a larger elderly population with less working people to support them with social welfare. This leads to a death spiral that collapses that society with no hope for recovery.
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garciakevzMar 29, 2026
+3
In theory, very much yes. In practice, having the less % of working future class carry the burden for the majority % of retirees is going to hurt
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sunrise98Mar 29, 2026
+6
You simply can't scale down things in the modern world - it'd fall apart pretty quickly. You're obviously trying to make the claim that a country thrived on less in the past - but they didn't have modern infrastructure which needs skills and maintenance.
The replacement rate is bad - but this coupled with an aging population is worse - many older people will die with noone to care for them too. This isn't a steady decline - it'll be far worse.
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AdAdministrative9362Mar 29, 2026
+2
Modern economies are built on consistent growth. It's difficult to maintain the same living standards with lowering population.
I am certainly not saying this is a good situation but I think it's the reality.
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EsarusMar 29, 2026
+2
Because the population predictions show a very sharp decline in population, not a slow steady decline. A sharp decline will be an economic disaster. And whenever your population plummets and your economy plummets, neighbouring countries will start sharpening their spears.
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smellybritMar 29, 2026
+5
Except countries that are actually absolutely fucked have the highest birth rates, so it’s definitely not that.
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BeginningShine69Mar 28, 2026
+100
I wish, Germany is at 1.35 right now unfortunately.
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DontRefuseMyBatchallMar 28, 2026
+146
Yeah, just looked it up
Germany: 1.35
Japan: 1.15
Korea: 0.8-0.7 depending on source
Yikes
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FireWrath9Mar 29, 2026
+8
fwiw i think korea is slightly higher at 0.99 recently
https://www.chosun.com/english/travel-food-en/2026/03/28/YC7EOY6LYBH27GUJJITQ4IAJRI/
still bad... but an improvement
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CustodialApathyMar 28, 2026
+86
Well when you create a hyper capitalist society founded on domestic violence...
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fallingdowndizzyvrMar 28, 2026
+95
That's not the reason. Education is the reason.
"Scholars widely agree that global educational expansion is one of the key reasons, perhaps even the most important reason, why global fertility has declined."
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-91611-4_8
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Due_Average764Mar 28, 2026
+195
The better educated you are the better you are at discerning if you're in a good position to force a new existence into the world or not.
Societies need to either make all external factors adequate for childrearing or need to stop telling people to try and be good (good people don't want to inflict unnecessary suffering yaknow) if they want to reverse the birthrate trend.
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EpiixzMar 28, 2026
+27
i do wonder tho if the change that a sole person can provide for the family to now mostly both parents working has a huge role in that. the kindergarden space is getting slimmer and slimmer, both parents have barely any time for even one child, and all the factors about a bad, stagnating economy
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fallingdowndizzyvrMar 28, 2026
+14
That doesn't seem to be the case. Since even in rich Denmark where people work 33-37 hours/week and childcare is heavily subsidized by the government, the birthrate is in decline.
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kursdragon2Mar 28, 2026
+25
How did your comment engage with anything they said? In Denmark you still typically have both couples working to support a family.
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fresh-dorkMar 28, 2026
+19
nah.
access to birth control results in family sizes dropping by half.
education and working outside the home mean that the woman is now required to choose between raising a kid and having a job she likes. the expanded labor pool also drops wages.
fundamentally, we haven't properly adapted to the new reality of birth control and working women in the context of families - this requires social and government support, and we mostly just punt.
japan is insane, korea is worse. at least in germany, you can have a few kids and then get a job after a bit
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CustodialApathyMar 28, 2026
+39
Yep, being smarter has caused Korea, one of the most economically broken countries, to not f***. Surely it isn't the economically ridiculous consequences of having a child that's caused the birth rate to plummet, it must be because everyone is very smart. *Definitely not because more than half of Korean men beat women, absolutely not due to a typical Korean birth being crippling financially. SURELY not due to society devolving into an online dominated disaster. It's definitely because everyone graduated high school.* Shut up, idiot. Please respond to this comment and tell me this is your own research so I can laugh at you and not some other moron who collected poorly sourced data.
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fallingdowndizzyvrMar 28, 2026
+25
> Surely it isn't the economically ridiculous consequences of having a child that's caused the birth rate to plummet
In affluent countries like Denmark where the state goes out of the way to economically support having a child, the birthrate is still declining.
> Definitely not because more than half of Korean men beat women
And I assure that doesn't happen in Denmark. Yet the birthrate is in decline. In fact, in many countries where they have plenty of kids. Woman are property and get beaten all the time. That has no correlation.
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Venetian_GothicMar 28, 2026
+14
"more than half of Korean men beat women" is not true, you probably read some misleading articles online to come to that conclusion. There's a huge generational difference between the way gender equality is treated and domestic violence was worse when it was a developing economy and the fertility rate was much more higher than replacement rate back then, the opposite of what your claiming.
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soapbarkMar 28, 2026
+7
Perhaps if the economy of these countries is improved upon, it would solve all issues. However I do not d******* that a declining civic vitality may also perhaps be related to moral/educational issues. Not education that improves scientific literacy, but a “luxury” education that softly proposes that happiness is comfort, success is wealth accumulation, and that freedom is the absence of all obligation. Children then become the obstacle to a good life.
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Nervous_Produce1800Mar 29, 2026
+11
Buddy, Gilded Age America was the most hyper capitalist and domestically violent society in Western history, and it dwarfed modern capitalist countries in birth rates.
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BrassboarMar 28, 2026
+26
Replacement rate is 2.1 for stable population. Two kids per woman with a little extra to accommodate early deaths.
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ThundertushyMar 28, 2026
+17
It's per couple, and zero growth/decline is considered to be 2.1 - 2.3, depending on whether you live in a first or third world country (i.e. low infant mortality rate), respectively.
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AP_in_IndyMar 28, 2026
+71
Korea is I’m actually WORSE shape. It’s hard to believe but .9 is roughly halving where as the nearly .7 Korea is at is closer to 1/3 of what’s needed. Korea is literally in an irreversible death spiral
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3d_extraMar 28, 2026
+29
For Korea, the latest monthly data is close to 1.0. Not sure if it will keep up though.
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godisanelectricoliveMar 28, 2026
+12
Replacement rate is 2.1. This number is the Total Fertility Rate. It’s number of children the average woman has in her lifetime, so not exclusively married couples.
It has to be more than two because two children have to be born to replace the two parents but there has to be an extra 0.1% so there’s a bit of wiggle room. Because unfortunately some of those kids will die young.
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AssCrackBanditHunterMar 28, 2026
+102
The simple fact is that people don't really want to be overwhelmed by a half dozen screaming kids.
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PresidentHurgMar 28, 2026
+96
Would be okay if we had societies focused on the community/tribal level. We are living lives we as humans are not evolved into. And at the same time, housing is also a big issue.
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Nichoros_StrategyMar 28, 2026
+53
It’s this, almost like a cult, the desire to maximally juice the economy resulted in isolating people. Once big normal families, and friend of family networks, with multiple generations intertwined who could have helped each other efficiently as a unit, were pressured apart. An efficient family doesn’t spend as much, after all.
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tacoticklesMar 28, 2026
+39
Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence that generally intelligent people tend to have less kids. It is what it is
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ClownsAteMyBabyMar 29, 2026
+3
That's more to do with an initial focus on career, and awareness of the importance of stability and income. They start having kids way later.
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MathfanforpresidentMar 28, 2026
+41
It's because we have nothing to live for. I mean that. They've taken the light out of everything. Instead of exploring, innovating, or truly changing the world, we build ads.
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sumduud14Mar 29, 2026
+17
Do people in villages in Niger have the most kids because they're exploring and innovating?
Do highly educated scientists who explore and innovate have 12 kids?
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ViolenceAdvocatorMar 29, 2026
+14
Education, access to birth control, access to abortion, a good stable life they dont want to disrupt. Guess which group has which.
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TrumpChildOnaholeMar 29, 2026
+5
Spain and Italy also have lower birth rate than Japan
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MedonSiriusMar 28, 2026
+6
That's correct, yet i would add bureucracy in germany eats alot of your time too! I had headaches every time - especially - friday when nobody is available and looking into the letter box only to find goverment letters with some serious threats. Like "Fill this paper until 2 weeks or dritter Weltkrieg!! Heil!"
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ViolenceAdvocatorMar 29, 2026
+2
F*** it. Just give me the dritter Weltkrieg boss I aint filling out more papers.
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whatssenguntoagoblinMar 28, 2026
+24
It’s depressing but sex education causes less births. Look at the countries that have the highest fertility rates in the world and you’ll see what they have in common.
I don’t know what the solution is.
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IamNobody85Mar 28, 2026
+51
The solution is to make having children less expensive and stopping the penalization of motherhood. Couples don't have children because it's not beneficial for them. It's not only about government subsidies. Women take a huge career hit as soon as they get pregnant, and in some cultures, as soon as they are in a stable relationship or get married. Housing is expensive after having a child, childcare is expensive. And what exactly is the benefit? My husband and I joke with each other that we need to have a child so they can pay for our retirement, but it's not exactly necessary. In fact, if we don't have kids, our net worth would be much higher when we retire as we both work in decently high paying jobs and I will not lose my income for about 3 years or subsequent promotions because my attention will be divided between a child and my work.
I come from a huge family from a third world country. My father had 11 siblings and my mother 8. They both come from families that had a lot of land and children were necessary in keeping and maintaining the land - even if they never farmed by themselves. Modern life has no such necessity. Sex is also not the only available entertainment anymore. That, plus the amount of problems pregnancies cause physically, and financially - yeah, birth rate isn't improving anytime soon.
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DelphiTsarMar 28, 2026
+10
2 40 hour full time working parents (And 2 full time working grandparents) is what they have in common.
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KhatibMar 28, 2026
+60
> I don’t know what the solution is.
Let the population decline and technology and automation can fill in the gaps. Tax the rich to cover social safety nets to care for the elderly.
When we have more space and life is easier to afford, people will have more time and money for raising families.
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LinooneyMar 29, 2026
+2
> Let the population decline and technology and automation can fill in the gaps. Tax the rich to cover social safety nets to care for the elderly.
This is basically China's plan and why they're all in on AI and robotics.
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FillMySoupDumplingMar 29, 2026
+2
Part of it is reframing how we think about fertility rates in the past. It’s only the last few generations where women truly have the choices to have children or not and under what terms.
Our grandmothers were often dealing with marital r*** and coercion or just had far less options in front of them in life. It was almost an almost universal life path for women: you grow up, get married, have babies.
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No-Maintenance-4509Mar 29, 2026
+2
Yeah, and places Norway and Sweden have incredible generous maternity and paternity + affordable health care and the same problem.
Educated women with the rights to make their own choices and full rights over their body choose to have less children. That’s the reality that is causing low birth rates in progressive countries
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LookismLzMar 29, 2026
+2
I think the harsh truth is that gender equality and a sustainble birth rate are mutually exclusive.
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wip30utMar 28, 2026
+48
i think Japan is planning for the upcoming labor shortage by investing iin robotics. They're already testing out robots to help in nursing facilities where brute strength is needed to lift & carry patients. And a number of cafes have robot waiters that deliver food.
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BagNo2988Mar 28, 2026
+14
I mean it’s what China is doing. Might as well.
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SachaCuyMar 28, 2026
+10
Its a small island for 120mm.
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NihongoCryptoMar 28, 2026
+16
I’m all for that but it’s so much more complicated than that. The traditional Japanese family structure is not very appealing to women. I’ll leave it at that.
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ViolenceAdvocatorMar 29, 2026
+7
Not ony that but being a married woman in japan can destroy your career prospects.
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NihongoCryptoMar 29, 2026
+2
Also being a single woman can do that.
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JadeddMillennialMar 28, 2026
+35
Do you know how much abuse it takes for a mammal not to want to procreate and make children?
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AuspectressMar 28, 2026
+26
Studies all show thay being a millionaire raises TFR by like up to 20% compared to middle class. So if thos was true, millionaires should have 5 babies each yet global TFR affects theirs far more than any money.
One could say that 200 years ago most people had 5 kids and had to live without electricity, water, abundance of food.
In reality it is, we shifted from having kids is a must to exist to kids being veiwed as addition to life and if anything serilusly alters your life, you will want to get rid of that addition
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Nurgle_Marine_ShartsMar 28, 2026
+20
It's quite the opposite actually. People living in the hardest conditions on earth generally have the highest birthrates.
It's really such a joke when overworked westerners pretend like they are living in a war zone for having shitty spending power and a long work commute.
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hera-fawcettMar 29, 2026
+32
>People living in the hardest conditions on earth generally have the highest birthrates.
absolutely correct. and its often for a variety of reasons-- sexual violence/r*** (including spousal abuse), lack of education, lack of birth control, being encouraged to have children--- bc once they grow, they can either take care of the youngest kids or enter whatever 'workforce' there is, etc.
lack of children is almost always the sign of a country thats well educated and wealthy (altho individuals may not be wealthy enough to 'afford' children).
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FugaziFlexerMar 29, 2026
+7
Yeah because it’s a necessity to survive. Once you get even a modicum of relative wealth to be out of that category of needing basically to birth kids just have extra hands and support like the west it drops. Because the rules change and you get away from the most primal reasons to have kids due to you actually being apart of capitalism
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[deleted]Mar 28, 2026
+34
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Neon_BeamsMar 28, 2026
+67
It would help if companies listen.
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randganMar 28, 2026
+27
They started a new policy that was supposed to go into effect in April of 2025, and you're declaring failure because their social paradigm has not flipped in 11 months?
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Neon_BeamsMar 28, 2026
+3
They had some policies like this like forbidding mandating overtime, but then the managers just pressure the employees to “volunteer” for overtime.
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kekehippoMar 28, 2026
+7
They tried the bare minimum and it didn't work so instead of finding a solution let's just go back to the status quo.
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MrSuperFlipMar 28, 2026
+4
Nothing in this article says it don’t work. Do you have another source?
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randganMar 28, 2026
+2
It didn't even have enough time for any reasonable person to tell if it made a difference in the people who would be effected. At least the commentor deleted their posts rather than let that stupidity fester.
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Immediate_Honey9593Mar 29, 2026
+3
The main issue is that women are expected to raise children without much help from society and are villainised while doing so.
If she’s not working a full time job at the same time = lazy (despite raising kids being harder than any little office job)…
if she’s a single mum = villainised despite it usually being the man’s fault she is alone (many men change after kids)
No matter what she does, never good enough.
Not enough maternity leave. Realistically maternity leave should be until kids start at school and with no career impact upon return to the workforce.
If we want women to want to have children again the labour of raising the next generation needs to be acknowledged and mothers should be paid a salary (or very long maternity like suggested above).
How is working a full time job while raising a young kid realistic, even in other western countries where working hours are slightly less than Japan, it’s still not realistic. I totally get why women across the world are choosing to be childfree or stop at one… it’s not that we don’t want more kids, it’s just not really possible in capitalist society.
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smellybritMar 28, 2026
+38
Even with immigration, European countries like Spain and Italy have lower fertility rates than Japan.
In fact Europe has the lowest birth rate of any continent by far. Has very little to do with work/life dynamics.
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One-Coat-6677Mar 28, 2026
+17
Raising a kid in Spain sucks d*** now. If you want any decent wage you live in a big city and have to compete with tourists for rent.
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TemperateStoneMar 28, 2026
+55
> Europe has the lowest birth rate of any country by far
Europe is not a country.
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smellybritMar 28, 2026
+18
You’re right Africa is my favorite country
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Hot_Way_1643Mar 28, 2026
+24
Its a mix of culture, religion, and other factors.
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Trees-Are-Neat--Mar 28, 2026
+6
Higher education, professional success of women in the workplace, and the near-elimination of teenage pregnancy
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requiem_mnMar 28, 2026
+23
That's not true. Yes, Spain and Italy have really low birth rate, but it is very close to Japan's. And south Korea is way, way worse.
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the_original_kermitMar 29, 2026
+4
They aren’t wrong though. Italy’s is like 20% lower.
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smellybritMar 29, 2026
+3
Correlates more with female educational attainment more than anything.
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whatssenguntoagoblinMar 28, 2026
+6
South Korea is a preview of what will happen in Japan.
I think South Korea is going to incentivize a lot of western countries (I know it’s an outdated term but bare with me) to heavily prioritize affordability for families as we’ll see how bad things get there first.
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bunkakanMar 29, 2026
+2
"their work and life dynamics" really depends on the company. Source: Me.
As a long-time IT contractor, I get to work at various companies. The one I work at now? Almost 50% of regular staff took last Friday off. I wish I had it as easy as them.
Some other companies are complete shitholes, for employees and contractors alike.
Fun facts: The company that hires me now had to let me go because of my age. When an opening presented itself, they asked for me specifically and actually pay me more than before. Pretty rare if you consider most older workers, employees included, are forced to accept less money once they reach the same age group. In the case of employees, a demotion of some sort is commonplace too. But I'm a developer and unless I go senile, I just keep accumulating experience. And that experience is exactly why they wanted me. At least my boss and his boss pushed to get me back and that's all that matters.
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VenixflytrapMar 29, 2026
+2
While id agree if Japan wants more Japanese people they need to get to f****** not worrying about work you get fucked by your job you don’t get to f*** your job
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fallingdowndizzyvrMar 28, 2026
+6
"work and life dynamics" have little to do with it. Since in my developing countries where people have to work all the time, they have a lot of babies.
The real indicator of whether people have babies is education. The more education, the less babies.
"Scholars widely agree that global educational expansion is one of the key reasons, perhaps even the most important reason, why global fertility has declined."
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-91611-4_8
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amurgiceblade44Mar 28, 2026
+711
Thats surprising, has Japan made any changes to their foreign policy?
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Simp_SimpsatonMar 28, 2026
+918
They take more foreigners now (out of necessity) but they still don't like them. The gov basically just wants people to come but ultimately leave so they're allowing more migrants but also don't really want more immigrants and thus simultaneously try to make actually staying there long-term more difficult. Even this is still unpopular with the japanese citizens though it seems? At least from what I've read. Their dislike for foreigners is extremely strong, to the point the most minor of crimes committed by them are treated like terrorist attacks or something lol
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LetFiloniCookMar 28, 2026
+303
It could also be a political tactic. The anti-foreigner party gets to use foreign immigration as a popular talking point while doing absolutley nothing about it, or even profiting from it themselves.
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SirRobinRanAwayAwayMar 28, 2026
+96
Story as old as time
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RevolverMFOcelotMar 28, 2026
+80
The current PM of Japan is a conservative thatcher type so yeah your comment is accurate
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LudwigofthepotatopplMar 29, 2026
+31
Taliban Takaichi, as she’s known, considers Thatcher a mentor but thinks she could have gone farther.
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RevolverMFOcelotMar 29, 2026
+28
I know she is similar with Thatcher but I have no idea she thought her British idol didn't go far enough
How the f*** one can manage to out-Thatcher-Margaret freaking Thatcher lmao.
Okay googled it, I heard Takaichi wanted to restore JP emperor divine rights of king atop of promoting many other social conservatism values, including stripping away women rights ironically, so yeah it is possible to go lower than Margaret lol
Ol Margaret didn't try to reinstate Henry VIII lol
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Staff_SenyouMar 28, 2026
+36
You're right about the increase in migrant intake for labor.
As for "dislike", it's a bit more nuanced. Japanese default mode is tolerance and patience. Most folk understand that respect is mutual and earned over time and through actions.
Many migrants are hard working and sincere. Many are also quite young, in the "prime" of their lives and ultimately temp workers with temp worker attitudes doing thankless (in any country) jobs.
Locals see these attitudes, combined with flagrant disregard of social rules and laws at a frequency that outpaces locals and people get a bit wary.
If you dig a little, the average person is unhappy with the need to import labor and the failure of this labor force to adequately understand and participate in local culture and society. It's a social friction.
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porkaveMar 29, 2026
+5
You didn’t add any “nuance” that makes a justifiable argument. Japan gets all these weird mental gymnastics to justify things that other countries don’t get
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SouthernWildingMar 29, 2026
+18
Nuanced? Yes racism(xenophobia) is always nuanced, doesn't make it any less real. People talk about how big racism is America, and it is, but generally it comes from a loud minority of the population. In respect to Japan it's more of a silent majority. And quiet isolation can be just as painful as loud overt racism.
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jigokubiMar 28, 2026
+69
The most recent prime minister appears to be making it a lot more expensive, for one thing. But by more expensive, I mean bringing the fees and so on up to where most other countries are.
There's also talk of making foreign residents take classes in Japanese language and culture.
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ilikedota5Mar 28, 2026
+65
I'm surprised they didn't mandate classes like that to begin with.
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Zombies4EvaDudeMar 28, 2026
+16
Honestly the end part seems like a good thing. Immigrants will be aware of the social rules, Japanese people will be less annoyed, and both groups will learn to get along with one another.
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ArtemysticaMar 29, 2026
+6
By and large, immigrants to Japan are aware of the social rules, and do follow them. It’s tourists who don’t. Many local wards in Tokyo offer low cost Japanese language lessons, but they’re during working hours so if you have a full time job they’re not for you.
I don’t disagree that expanding access for services for foreigners is a good thing, but it needs to be more than basic etiquette. There also needs to be serious pressure on companies to stop racism and sexism— during a job interview, it’s completely legal (and happens often) to ask a woman if she plans to have kids, and to ask foreigners why they’re here and how long they’ll be staying.
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beklogMar 28, 2026
+64
Known for its strict immigration policy, Japan has been gradually opening its doors to foreign workers in recent years as the country faces labor shortages due to the aging of society.
https://japantoday.com/category/national/foreign-residents-in-japan-top-4-million-for-1st-time-in-2025
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EyesOnEverythingMar 28, 2026
+30
Which is wild that they just elected a PM who made "Getting the foreigners out" a campaign push. Hard to tell if she just used it to get elected and will continue increased immigration because of the economy, or if she actually is going to reverse the trend and make it much harder despite the demographic issues.
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Zombies4EvaDudeMar 28, 2026
+4
I don’t know, but regardless in general Japan is changing and when things change people will get upset as they see the world they used to know “disappear”. It’s the same in most places, but in Japan it’s intensified because culture is so integral to Japanese people’s self perception. They feel like foreigners- even a small amount- pollutes that.
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DelphiTsarMar 28, 2026
+7
This is going to sound hyperbolic, but it really isn't, Japan is going to implode without a heavy influx of foreigners.
Young people are going to leave, Japan can try to stop them but even that wouldn't actually by that much time.
Everyone in power there with 2 brains cells to rub together knows it.
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wip30utMar 28, 2026
+5
they allow in workers for specific industry position, typically low-wage menial labor. I know it sounds exploitative, but the US does the same with illegal migrant workers from the South. Most of Japan's foreign workers are from China or SE Asia.
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Bitter-Yak-4222Mar 28, 2026
+412
I feel like we are missing the obvious points about immigration:
- Native population wants better access to job opportunities and do not want to compete with foreigners especially for high wage jobs
which is caused by:
- The threat of housing shortages and in turn rising housing/rent prices
- some people have a hard time affording groceries and food
- medical bills cant be paid or there's no/less medical access for them
But many immigrants are simply moving to avoid the same things. We are all trying to avoid the same situations.
Really this boils down to people feeling the scarcity around them... and this is happening all over the world because billionaires are trying to squeeze every remaining cent for themselves.
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plsQuestionOurselvesMar 28, 2026
+116
It's really hard to compete with someone who has a very low standard of living, is happy to make minimum wage, work terrible hours and split the rent 10 ways with a bunch of roommates.
My country brought in almost 3 million newcomers since the beginning of the pandemic and life in most medium/large sized cities has become noticeably worse. Everything is completely overcrowded at all times, there are not enough living accommodations, hospitals, schools, food banks, clinics and roads. All are completely jam packed with far too many people. The irresponsible and greedy government didn't prepare enough infrastructure for all these people and now people who were born here are suffering the consequences.
For posterity, it's not the newcomers fault, it is entirely the governments (and their corporate masters) fault. They panicked when workers gained a bit of leverage at the start of the pandemic and opened the floodgates so their business buddies wouldn't cry too hard. Neither of them give a single shit about any of us, we're just walking money bags to those cold blooded psychopaths.
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MinglansMar 29, 2026
+32
I'm going to guess, Canada. Saw the writing on the wall a mile away when people started wanting more rights/better pay. And the infamous *"No one wants to work anymore!"* from tone-deaf employers. 🙄
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plsQuestionOurselvesMar 29, 2026
+25
The best part is that many of these landlords and CEOs hate immigrants, but so long as their own neighborhoods stay white I guess it's no problem.
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CaptainObvious110Mar 28, 2026
+4
hmm good way to look at it
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MothChasingFlameMar 29, 2026
+3
Yeah, this is the gist of it. Truth is there's zero real scarcity, just a handful of full-bellied dragons on piles of gold.
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SideburnSundaysMar 28, 2026
+11
It's almost like, hang with me for a second, if governments regulated all those things to be less scarce instead of focusing on profits and power, we wouldn't have these issues.
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pennyfredMar 28, 2026
+34
So I guess there'll be similar sentiment towards similar groups as per Australia, Canada, UK etc. foreshadowing the rise of populism.
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dahaxguyMar 29, 2026
+13
Japan is in a weird position, since they had the xenophobic positions for a few decades that the Commonwealth countries have only taken up recently, but Japan's repressive sociocultural structure has kept that pot from boiling, as it were.
Populism is a strange animal, at least in modern Japan, since it tends to be brutally crushed before it can really mature (like, I'm talking post-Meiji Restoration here).
Unless Japanese society really changes culturally, or their economy really begins to tank, I can't see populism taking hold from just the levels of dissatisfaction we've seen in the Commonwealth countries lately.
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[deleted]Mar 28, 2026
+61
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FestusPowerLoLMar 28, 2026
+38
Which is still roughly 3% of the total population.
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cMonkiiiMar 28, 2026
+12
Yeah, 3%, but I wouldn't be surprised of higher representation in some local areas, and I wouldn't be surprised if those same local people started getting more outraged at it.
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kaiserkeller_Mar 28, 2026
+781
From Wikipedia: “In 2023, Japan's total fertility rate was 1.20, among the lowest in the world and far below the replacement rate of 2.1.”
Immigration can be a nuanced/hot topic, but economically speaking, they need it.
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thearchiguyMar 28, 2026
+78
This gets repeated ad nauseum but isn't shrinking the country also an option? Infinite growth isn't good for humanity either....
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YurichiMar 28, 2026
+92
Shrinking the country is fine if said nation can maintain a healthy population balance of the young, middle aged, and elderly. It has disastrous cascading problems when the population shrinks but your demographics shift dramatically towards a majority elderly population.
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_OUCHMYPENIS_Mar 28, 2026
+22
Maybe have it a bit lower than replacement levels would be ok since it would take longer for the population to go down but korea and Japan are going to be dealing in with issues with managing the elderly. 1 person will be supporting 3 people.
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No-Signature8815Mar 29, 2026
+18
I never understand people who say this ish, you realise if the country has a large elderly population with a small workong population they'll just economically collapse?? There's a difference between 'infinite economic growth' and avoiding a crisis
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larrylegend1990Mar 28, 2026
+6
Yes its fine in principle. But if you have a shrinking population but a lot of elders, thats when you have a problem since it means the low workforce is supporting a lot of people
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ALifeToRemember_Mar 28, 2026
+4
Not really an option with the current system since the welfare and pension system (along with plenty of other things) depends on a healthy ratio of taxpayers to retirees.
It's a bit of a shame though, since most-all the pension systems worldwide got shifted to a pay-as-you-go model during the post WW2 Baby-Boom. This produced massive short term payouts due to the large number of young adults but made it woefully unsustainable for the subsequent fertility rate collapse. Another example of politicians preferring short-term gains to long-term sustainability.
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[deleted]Mar 28, 2026
+41
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AazadanMar 28, 2026
+59
They're so hostile to foreign cultures that it's not something they can do quickly. Also, immigration is really only a temporary solution because when everyone in the world is allowing for it, or at least enough to soak up all the immigrants, how do you get more people?
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queenringletsMar 28, 2026
+19
Problem is that there is no known permanent solutions. No first world nation has been successful at keeping its fertility up.
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Previous-Space-7056Mar 28, 2026
+6
And once ppl immigrate. They too will have a low birth rate… its a temp fix not solving the underlying problems
Of why couples are having less children
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PsychicChris12Mar 28, 2026
+26
None of those countries open the flood gates.
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dmunMar 28, 2026
+7
"Open the flood gates"
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reefanalystMar 28, 2026
+5
>open the floodgates
Spotted the xenophobe.
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[deleted]Mar 28, 2026
+145
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Alive_InternetMar 28, 2026
+48
I’ve seen sentiment shift significantly. That might have been true a few years ago, but not so much today. Even the “remigration” people (those who want to deport second and third gen immigrants) have more support today than I’ve ever seen in the past.
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Patate_froideMar 28, 2026
+321
Well, at some point in the past your area became 90% white overnight and you don't see many proposal of legislation to make it more native...
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[deleted]Mar 28, 2026
+64
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GurtangMar 28, 2026
+26
Yeah that's definitely the same. White Canada is being overrun, genocided and erased. Definitely.
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cloudironMar 28, 2026
+32
The issue in Canada is big companies purposefully overlook Canadian resumes, say they can’t find anyone to hire, then sponsor temporary foreign workers who they bring it at lower wages. Meanwhile many young people who already live in Canada are unable to find entry level jobs.
It’s not even about racism. It’s about a lack of jobs and a lack of repercussions for companies that abuse the system
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ValceniaMar 28, 2026
+48
But like, why would that be an issue? Who cares if your neighbours or colleagues aren’t white anymore. Why does it matter what skin colour they are or what background they have?
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hollow114Mar 29, 2026
+2
Humanity is very very very old. The future is going to look very homogenized. You'll get over it
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FamSimmerMar 28, 2026
+20
Here we go with another Canadian hijacking another thread about immigration to talk about their hatred for Indians. Look, I get it, you're tired of seeing a few extra brown people in places that used to be white. You guys don't have to keep announcing it on every thread. And no, a bunch of Canadians did not become racist overnight - you're certainly right about that. The racism was always there, it was just under the surface. And now, because of the rise of bigotry and fascism down south, most racists up north feel emboldened to show their true colors (no pun-intended) more openly.
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No-Signature8815Mar 29, 2026
+8
'Naunced'
Lmao, I'll make it simple. Japan has a low birth rate and an ageing population, they also don't want immigrants. They also have a terrible culture when it comes to work, and the birth rate isn't going up any time soon if things continue in the same manner. They could increase immigration and try to slowly increase the countries birth rate, thus using a two prong approach to tackle their looming crisis of (age) demographic collapse.
Instead, they find it easier to blame foreigners, which is a tale as old as time I suppose.
I wonder what they'll do when their economy collapses amd all the easy solutions have faded away?
This new pm of theirs is interesting, she's going to decrease taxes while increasing spending? All while inflation in Japan is increasing, and the interest linked to Japanese debt is likely to go up also. Do we still call her a 'Conservative' if there's nothing to conserve due to economically delinquent policies? I've heard she's exceptionally popular, I wonder if that'll last.
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shrimpynutMar 28, 2026
+146
My wife is Japanese and I lived with her over there for 5 years before we left for the U.S., and it took over 10 years for her parents to really come around to me and see that I mean no harm. I understand I’ll never fully be one of them. They “accept” me because of their daughter, but I’m still an outsider.
Japanese culture can be very polite on the surface, but that doesn’t always mean you’re welcomed into their inner circle. If you’re not Japanese, there’s a line you just don’t cross. You can be respected and treated kindly, but not included.
There’s also a strong sense of pride and identity tied to the country and culture. Just look at WW2, even after the U.S. bombed them you still had a vast majority of soldiers fighting on. It took the emperor to order them to stop AFTER the bomb and they did so with hesitation.
I said it 10 years ago and I’ll say it now, Japanese people will NEVER allow immigration to get to a point where they make a significant chunk of the population and they rather bring the entire country down than allow outsiders in.
Don’t be surprise 5-10 years from now if massive immigration policies start be implemented and huge tourist restrictions become a thing. Theirs massive disdain that has grown tremendously these past 5 or so years in regards to immigrants and tourist.
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n10w4Mar 28, 2026
+7
What’s the breakdown of hate for immigrants in different age groups?
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JshBldMar 28, 2026
+51
Its not hate as in they want you dead its more of like they just want the immigrants and tourist out of their land. There is plenty of reasons for this im pretty sure you have come across social media such as disrespecting shrines and vandalization. Also Ignoring public etiquette and being obnoxious and there is also the heavy stuff such as american soldiers raping japanese in okinawa which is actively being covered by the japanese government. The older generation is more romantic towards outsider due to tv programs and the bubble economy but the young generation had to deal with the stagnant economy and dealing with foreigners who treat their land like a theme park.
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jigokubiMar 29, 2026
+21
There are perfect conditions for right-wing ideas in Japan right now.
First, you have a huge influx of tourists. Then you have young people glued to their phones all day and getting fed videos of foreign tourists being assholes. It makes anti-foreign sentiment an easy sell. Never mind that most foreigners who actually live in Japan are unlikely to behave like that.
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Marston_vcMar 28, 2026
+4
To your point, they’re already implementing anti-tourism measures. I understand that this year they’re significantly increasing hotel hospitality taxes for foreigners and getting rid of the duty-free tax benefit.
There also seems to be Visa reforms coming out by 2028 which will make some forms of tourism/long-term residency easier but other forms harder completely dependent on your country of origin.
Most of it I would describe as common sense. I’m sure the locals have fatigue from all the tourism especially if there’s a higher incident rate from specific countries that can be measured. I doubt they’ll ever get rid of it entirely. But I could totally see it being more narrowly tailored/priced out such that only tourists from specific countries or income levels can visit.
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larrylegend1990Mar 28, 2026
+12
Their economy relies on tourism but they also hate tourists.
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Bee-and-the-SlimesMar 28, 2026
+27
Kind of like working retail, "the job's great - except for the customers".
If you've ever lived in a tourist town, you get the sentiment. There's only so many times you can hear "What time do they let the bears out in the Smoky Mountains?" before you want to go postal.
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CaptainObvious110Mar 28, 2026
+6
Yeah, customers suck
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majoleineMar 29, 2026
+3
Live in Tahoe locally...we get the same questions about the bears here too.
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Marston_vcMar 28, 2026
+8
Their economy does not “rely on tourists”. This is one of the most advanced countries in the world regarding software/industrial production. They rank like 3rd or 4th economically. Tourism is a good boon but they’d be absolutely fine without it.
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JshBldMar 28, 2026
+5
Its like relying on your abusive parents while they abuse you.
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Schnitzel-BundMar 29, 2026
+4
This is so similar to how far-right Europeans talk about refugees and immigrants. What's the difference?
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finalarks88Mar 29, 2026
+27
I'm one of the people who lives in Japan and is planning to leave Japan this year. Japan isn't what it used to be like before. Most foreign workers who come to Japan for work are usually from developing countries where they can easily get work visas like SSW and for them salaries here are pretty good compared to their home country. Other than that people from developed countries especially western countries who came to Japan, usually persued their fantasy dreams or married a Japanese nationality. Other than that I have seen no reason to live in Japan other than a short vacation only.
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BongojonaMar 29, 2026
+5
Persued their fantasy dream you mean?
I'm a bit too old for the Anime craze, was in my 20s in the 90s so I have no romantic views of Japan. Have never been in fact, but I do find parts of their culture fascinating from afar.
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SideburnSundaysMar 28, 2026
+67
Which is 3% of the population, yet the country is going mad with xenophobia claiming their culture is being replaced. They had 40 years to address the issue and did fuckall about it.
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epik_faylerMar 29, 2026
+14
Not to mention that a majority of the immigrants are from culturally similar countries. 45% are from China and Korea. 45% are from SEA. This would be like people from Spain immigrating to portugal.
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Skandi007Mar 29, 2026
+2
"similar" but there's bloody history and disdain for each other
If Japanese media is anything to go by, a non-insignificant part of the population genuinely worries there are "secret Koreans" or whatever trying to establish themselves in positions of power, more than they ever worry about white people or people of color immigrating and taking jobs.
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jigokubiMar 29, 2026
+17
Not to mention that the people who actually want to live there are probably more interested in aspects of Japanese culture than many of the residents.
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DamermanMar 28, 2026
+287
I can't imagine living among people who don't want you there.
The fetishization of Japanese culture will always be inscrutible to me.
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bbusielloMar 28, 2026
+262
The flip side of this is that you're painting an entire country with a broad brush.
The last thing I'd want, as an American, is someone accusing me of voting for trump.
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park777Mar 28, 2026
+111
Have you been to Japan? Doesn’t sound like you have
There are people who hate you everywhere
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LMONDEGREENMar 28, 2026
+33
I live in Japan and he is generally correct.
If the Japanese didn't feel this way, they wouldn't vote for such policies. However, there are plenty of well meaning Japanese people... It's just that the majority are completely apathetic to the plight of minorities that are of foreign origin. They don't care. A lady died in immigration custody, and there is no outrage at all about basic human rights.
And I apply the same logic to Americans. They voted for Trump twice. They need to accept the consequences of this.
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Green_Hunt_1776Mar 28, 2026
+46
If you've never lived in Japan you should probably refrain from giving your opinion. The xenophobia is overblown unless you live in a really rural area. It's no worse than any of the other big east Asian countries.
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Antique_Pin5266Mar 29, 2026
+12
Even I lived in rural Japan, have ancestry with one of the countries they hate, and I had exactly 0 issues
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frozen2665Mar 28, 2026
+33
I agree with you, but you must know how monumentally low of bar that last point is
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19BlackMar 28, 2026
+7
I understand that people can be two faced, but I found the Japanese to be extremely welcoming and friendly despite being an obvious tourist who spoke no Japanese.
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CalimariaeMar 28, 2026
+7
> The fetishization of Japanese culture will always be inscrutible to me.
Oh you should visit. I can understand why many fetizhize Japanese culture. It's a fascinating and unique country because of their isolationist history. And I'm saying that as someone who has travelled all the continents.
It's the one country I crave to come back to.
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JncocontrolMar 28, 2026
+28
I live in China, if you think the Japanese hate me, The Chinese do circles around them: They hate the fibers the hold my entrails together and curse the day I was born.
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AutisumMar 28, 2026
+20
a lot dont have a choice; my friend is there for a job because they dont have good jobs in their home country.
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superkeerMar 28, 2026
+5
The UK left the EU over it. The US is building concentration camps. Many European countries still struggle with accepting foreigners and minorities. China & Korea, same shit. You don't have to be a Japan fan to accept that in our modern times the idea of not wanting foreigners around is becoming more mainstream all over the world.
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_dexstr_Mar 28, 2026
+27
Kinda like being black in America, but at least you can leave Japan 😂
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PotroastXIIMar 28, 2026
+15
Each time I see a comment like the one you replied I deadass be wondering “first time you thought abt this huh?” 😭😭
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divinelyshpongledMar 29, 2026
+2
They never show it so most wouldn’t even realize it. It’s like working in an office where you’re sure 90% of the people would rather be somewhere else.. everyone just kinda puts it out of their mind and carries on. Similar thing
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wip30utMar 28, 2026
+4
isn't that like alien Latino workers in the US though? There's economic & standard of living aspect that supercedes cultural bias, microagressions & even xenophobic racism. Most foreign workers in Japan are from China & SE asia, rural areas where they're slaving away for a pittance.
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LevelAd1126Mar 28, 2026
+6
Out of about 123M So about 3%?
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secliferedMar 28, 2026
+47
The rising cost of living and low birth rate are hard problems, so they have to focus on the immigrants.
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plmzxukMar 28, 2026
+13
Nothing to do with cost of living. Poor people have plenty of kids.
People in developed countries just prioritize things over ffamily.
Why chase a toddler if you can come home and watch tv
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Coffee_TransfusionMar 28, 2026
+10
As Japan’s population ages and draws away more resources, they won’t have the labor force to support it unless they consider changing how their society is structured.
This is true in a lot of countries. Not exclusive to Japan.
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kmr_lilpossumMar 28, 2026
+10
It could help towns like [this](https://youtu.be/OXGf_nUw4AY?si=cjQxoYWD-2XPpqHi). Local economies in certain areas are completely dying off.
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NY10Mar 29, 2026
+3
Japan is a fantastic country but I don’t see myself living there lol
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FatherDotComicalMar 29, 2026
+6
I just saw a Weeaboo fall to his knees in a Walmart, followed by a Japanese Obaasan.
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theSikxMar 28, 2026
+5
wish I could make it 4.12 million +1
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BathshebaJonesMar 28, 2026
+2
Now we just need 80k more
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buddyblakesterMar 28, 2026
+2
If you could sustain your family easily with 1 bread w*****, this would be solved
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PckManMar 29, 2026
+2
ypipo going to Japan what else is new
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ApolloX-2Mar 29, 2026
+2
"Oh no, we have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!"
Either get more babies by relaxing your insane work culture, or enjoy becoming like Bahrain where 70% of the population is foreign or something.
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personofshadowMar 29, 2026
+2
My information may be incomplete, outdated, or just wrong, but don't they have a bit of a birthrate problem? I thought I recalled hearing that a lot of young people did not have plans to start a family, with the amount of time they were expected to dedicate to their professional life being a major factor.
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DeathandGrimMar 29, 2026
+2
Well I mean they kinda need that with those falling birth rates
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holeycheezuscrustMar 28, 2026
+16
I’ve visited Japan multiple times and they’ve been nothing but lovely. I’m non white btw. They don’t have a real issue with foreigners they have an issue with anyone who doesn’t respect Japanese culture and customs.
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Zigrivers72Mar 28, 2026
+59
I’m a foreigner who has visited many times and now lives here. Unfortunately there is a large difference between just visiting and joining the workforce. There is a large amount of discrimination that happens when you want a job or get one.
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Bitter-Yak-4222Mar 28, 2026
+38
imo I understood it as polite and welcoming doesn't mean "happy to see me" but thats okay, I am okay with the "You are polite with me and I am polite back, we get what we need and move on. " deal.
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every_twisted_waveMar 28, 2026
+33
Watch some videos of foreigners living long-term in Japan and you’ll see that it’s not as simple as all that. Of course they’re nice to tourists.
It’s different if you’re living there and competing for jobs that aren’t teaching English. Different if you aren’t white. I’ve never understood people whitewashing Japan and not being able to understand that a homogenous, insular, patriotic country with a distinct culture and history of nationalism is more likely to be racist than not.
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Impossible-Fig-8463Mar 28, 2026
+16
Is it more accurate to say that they just tolerated you?
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Proof-Republic7621Mar 28, 2026
+3
It’s definitely not everywhere or everyone, but there are some who dislike people, based on them not being Japanese. I’ve walked into plenty of izakayas and bars, just to be told “Sorry, Japanese only” in broken English. I speak Japanese, so I always clarify if they mean the language or the people, and sometimes they mean the people.
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TamponBazookaMar 28, 2026
+4
Yep I am also living here since 10 years. If you find the right job then it is the best place to live.
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TrumpChildOnaholeMar 29, 2026
+3
I moved back to the US to hoard money and investments after living in jp 5 years, I plan on going back and retiring after I get PR. Way better life day to day than the us
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SayNoToFirefightersMar 29, 2026
+3
Then fix your Office Culture bullshit and you wont need Foreigners
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