JD Vance due in Hungary to back Orban's re-election bid

Vance's boss's boss in the Kremlin told him to come out there though

Lol remember when Donald Trump's campaign manager was [Paul Manafort](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort#Indictments_and_charges)? A literal Russian lobbyist who quietly stepped down when it was reported he was receiving millions from Russia and then went to jail for conspiring against the US, which Trump then pardoned?

Embarrassed that nothing is being done about it.

US is literally Russia 2.0 now. Actually, US is worse at this point.

Even his own faith leader, The Pope, disses on this guy.

Who can I call in to help me win this election? I know, I’ll call in the personality vacuum that is JD Vance!

I'd say vice versa too. CPAC is not a group that should exist and yet here they are

The most infuriating part is that we have all the necessary laws to fight against and prosecute foreign agents. We need to wake the f*** up.

It should be enough not to elect those who welcome this interference

I'm surprised the opposite of that first part never happened. It seemed strange after 2016 that when it was clear Russia was spending money trying to influence American elections that the EU didn't do the same thing. Is that a good idea? According to everyone responding to this idea before now, no, it sucks. It might have worked though, I don't know. But if there's only a world wide right wing propaganda network, it will work sometimes.

I believe it's more than enough for us to do a "Maduro" with Trump and Vance and just take them away , lock them up and throw away the key.

Guess it makes sense - Orban also joined in Mar-a-lago to endorse Trump (a few times, if memory serves) Of course this is all still crazy, and if any EU politician did this to try and help Harris, Trump would have probably put a 1000% tariff on them, but I guess the russian doormats have to stick together

They'll pike it on others and then crack it if anyone tries to do it with theirs....

I assume this is a Thiel move. Playing all the angles while shit is spicy.

I'm not sure seeing a bunch of CPAC weirdos is going to convince many Hungarians to vote for Orban again. More likely it will convince them to drop their own weirdo with his foreign weirdo backers..

Yeah this is so bizarre. "Let's go support the guy who's an obvious pawn of our traditional arch enemy". Who's next to support, Lukashenko?

It's funny how right wing loonies like to band together like it's a club or something.

the US is also run by an international dictator so...

America used to back dictators out of a belief that it would serve Americans interests. Now republicans back dictators as part of a literal global right wing conspiracy to end democracy everywhere.

To be fair, that's pretty much for the course...

This isn't a new thing...

All I can think is the whole Iran thing is a ploy to make Europe, and other nations outside of that, more reliant on Russia for oil and gas, since what is taking place in Iran is severely limiting access to their supplies.

Both the Trump admin and Russia want to dismantle the EU. That's the common ground and that's where Orbán is useful.

Don't forget you have Russia providing intel to Iran against the US too. 

No need. They will probably f*** each other

The right wing in the United States hates Europe because Europe is living proof that the policies they keep telling the American public don't work actually do work. Universal healthcare, mass transit, environmental policies, education, social welfare etc. So they have to make Europe out to be something that it isn't and propagandize the hell out of it in order to try to prevent Americans from understanding just how soundly they are being fucked.

They have designated EU as an enemy in the US national security strategy because they view rule/law/treaty based unions as a threat to their imperial aspirations. So they have it as their goal to destroy EU and weaken European countries by installing far-right authoritarians all over Europe. This aligns with Russias strategy.  As a European i view USA as one of the greatest existential threats, almost bigger than Russia given their military capability and the complete lack of anyone stopping Trump.

They hate that European union stands united and therefore is harder to influence. They would love to make Europe a puppet of US. 

27 single countries can be bullied easily in trade negotiations. The EU, however, only allows trade negotiations as a union, therefore all 27 countries stand united. In a wider context, the USA increasingly views the world as an oligopoly (essentially the USA, China, Russia and to a lesser degree the EU and India) in which the US competes with its fellow power blocks. The EU is, besides China, the most powerful in terms of trade after the US, AND the easiest to break up.

Putin hates Europe ergo Trump hates Europe.

Because they are now russian assets

Corrupt politicians like other corrupt politicians

My take is that Trump and his team doesn't like people that are willing to stand up agaisnt them, all they wants in not allies but docile clients that would pay everything to anything in order to make some companies or individuals getting more money. They don't want europe to be independant, they want europe to be fully dependant on the us and they are truely mad that europe is having it's best life like you said, respected institutions, good economy, good compagnies, good leaders, healthcare and many other things while the us get nothing to grasp for themselves.

Elmo is butthurt because they won't buy his overpriced, poorly built Teslas. Zuck is butthurt because they are restricting his influence and law flaunting with Meta. Tim Cook is cranky because they keep standardising his proprietary plugs, which is hurting their exclusive cable sales. All these people have more money than some countries, and they are happy to line Donnie's diaper with cash while telling him the EU is the devil.

Because that's exactly what Putin desires. Destablisation of his western nemesis. Remarkably the US is breaking the international stus quo the top of which it sits.

> is the European Union simply too complex for Trump to understand? I mean, we know this to be true. Angela Merkel tried *11 times* to explain it to him.

Put simply.. the US has a different social and economic structure than western Europe, so presenting the idea of a 'failed/failing' Europe and a booming successful US, shows it is on the right track and they are making the right decisions as leaders. How does the US do this, when by most metrics, Western Europeans have a pretty high standard of living, live longer than most Americans and enjoy similar levels of freedom (both socially and economically) as their US counterparts? The main talk tracks coming from US politicians and its media are: 1. Europe sponges off US defence spending and resources, allowing it to invest less in its own, which means it can support better social and health programs. 2. Europe is overrun by immigrants (particularly Muslims), who have negatively changed the culture, safety and cohesion of its individual countries. 3. Europe has lost its way in terms of maintaining levels of freedom that the US enjoys, particularly when it comes to freedom of expression. 4. Europe doesn't support the US (or NATO) militarily. 5. Europe (and the EU in particular) is ineffective at making decisions collectively due to countries not aligning with each other. Responses to all of these points are nuanced, but the general population sees everything in black and white, so the media and politicians keep peddling this narrative.

Because this regime and their voters like the freedom to subjugate others and we like the freedom to live our actual life and work decently.

Just tell them that Orbán introduced 27% VAT on almost everything, including utilities/fuel/most food products and as of today the cost of the cheapest gas at the station (E95) is around $7.1/gallon. Also thanks to him Hungary experienced over 25% inflation in 2023 and over 50% food inflation.

The US is very much like Hungary already. Blatant corruption, a dictator that defies all laws and judges. His own "army" that randomly shoots people in the streets if they feel like it. Sending people to camps. USA! USA! USA!

I like to think that Trump views Putin as his political godfather. I believe the whole idea of launching Trump to presidency was only seriously considered once Russians became interested in it. Trump did not think it was possible. Russians wanted a popular populist candidate whom they could easily manipulate. The main case scenario was Trump losing and then he would claim election fraud and try to launch an insurrection thus destabilizing US. But he won. On the other hand he clearly likes Putin as the later has been Trump's authoritarian role-model for decades. And though Trump is now more powerful than Putin is, he still treats him as he used to, i.e. by looking up to him and being afraid of him. There is also the question of financial ties. I would be very surprised if Russians did not offer him tens of billions of dollars if he could assist them in winning their war, but there is no evidence of that for now.

Support from JDV will be the final nail in Orban's political coffin.

Why isn't US media calling out about this? They've all been bought out? Orban is a Russian puppet. Everything goes back to Russia with Trump and how he bends over. It should be alarming to the US

I think you vastly over-estimate the population.

I’m Hungarian-American. The older generation of the community is very conservative and was offended when we pointed out to them that most Hungarians DNGAF who JD Vance is compared to the problems facing the country right now. Apparently only communists don’t care, I’ve been told!

most of Orban's voters don't even know who the f*** is JD Vance.