JD Vance Urged to Invoke 25th Amendment Against Trump

Bigger daddy is the antiChrist lunatic Peter Thiel. He’s got plenty of juice in the administration to get the necessary 25A votes.

> He has no strong beliefs or values, just goes with the wind. Whatever makes sense.

What an accurate statement. A man with no morals or convictions or even a personality of his own. A total cuck.

Exactly. There is a timing thing here.

People need to remember that as abhorrent as Trump is, as much as hes illegally e riching himself via the office of the POTUS, the entire republican party is carrying out the desires of the Heritage Foundation and their billionaire owners, and at unsettlingly fast rate

I honestly believe that is exactly what's happening.

Said it before but there's no chance they'll remove Trump before 2027, Vance loses a term if he takes over before then, on top of that if the Republicans get reamed out of it in the mid terms despite pulling any sort of shenanigans they'll want to try and be rid of Trump before 2028, sure he might try the ol 3rd term shenanigans and such but I guarantee you if they tried the smarter Dems might pull Obama out to "campaign" against him since if Trump can go for a 3rd term why not him? On the other hand Trump might even be willing to leave because he be a lame duck loser at that point and will want to cash out, probably using the "medically unfit" defence to try and hide from the consequences long enough until he drops dead from whatever's rotting him from the inside.

If the Republicans are able to rig things enough to give a charisma black hole like Vance a shot at two terms, they'd run someone a hell of a lot more effective than Vance.

He refrained from supporting an insurrection one time, and supported trump on everything else. Let's not go painting pence with the morals brush now

Did you ever hear he didn't even have the resolve completely self sourced? He actually had to get set straight by none other than Dan Quayle (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/dan-quayle-pence-trump-january-6-woodward-costa-book).

There’s two types of people in this world and they almost perfectly sort into our two political parties: 1. Those who see rules as a framework to work within. 2. Those who see rules as obstacles to get around.

look at Mitch McConnell like he can’t even function and they still say he shows up to vote and bullshit that dude doesn’t even know what day it is

They are the confederates. And they are winning the civil war that never ended. 

Internal governance ie- looting treasury for as long as there’s a dollar in there.

Fair point but in no way does Vance have the following or charisma or cult of personality that Trump has.

If they can't remove him via impeachment, there's no way they can remove him via the 25th. Impeachment happens if a simple majority votes for it in the house and a 2/3 majority in the senate. Vance can invoke the 25th, but Trump resumes office as soon as he tells congress he is able. It takes a 2/3 majority in both houses to prevent him from resuming his term.

there would still have to be at least a dozen GOP defections in the senate to actually remove him from office through impeachment, and I don’t see that happening as they are also dependent on the MAGA base. Trump’s approval rating would have to dip below Dubya’s worst for them to actually consider voting to convict.

The DEMs won't have the numbers to impeach and remove without support of Republicans.  About 17-20 Senate Republicans would need to cross the aisle to remove Pedo Trump

Actually it’s just the majority of the cabinet unless the President pushes back and declares they are in fact competent to hold office. Then it becomes a 2/3 vote in both chambers. [Cornell Law - 25th Amendment](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-25/overview-of-twenty-fifth-amendment-presidential-vacancy-and-disability) *Section 4, which has never been invoked, is perhaps the most controversial of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment’s provisions. This section allows the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet or, alternatively, the Vice President and a majority of another body that Congress designates by law in place of the Cabinet, to initiate the transfer of an incapacitated President’s powers and duties to the Vice President. Section 4 might be invoked when the President is unable or unwilling to declare that he is incapacitated. To invoke Section 4, the Vice President and a majority of the relevant body must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives stating that the President is unable to discharge his office’s powers and duties. Following this declaration, the Vice President immediately assumes such powers and duties as Acting President.* *If the President subsequently declares in writing to the relevant congressional presiding officers that he is again able to fulfill his responsibilities, then he “shall resume the powers and duties of his office” unless the Vice President (as Acting President) and a majority of the appropriate body transmit a contrary written notice within four days. In that event, Congress must assemble within 48 hours to determine who will discharge the President’s duties. Unless Congress determines within 21 days of receiving the Vice President and relevant body’s declaration “by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” the President resumes his responsibilities. On the other hand, if Congress determines that the President is unable to fulfill his duties, then the Vice President continues to discharge them as Acting President.*

Correct. This is not only about the Cabinet members.

There is a magic button, but I'm not allowed to mention it here and no one will press it because those who can are f****** cowards. Remember, none of you have to tolerate toxic people and if you do, you're enabling them.

Pretty much the two cases where the 25th would be effective would be where the president is in a coma, or where he's abducted by enemy forces. In other words, where the president cannot say he's fine, or where if the did say he were fine it would be pretty much unanimous that restoring him to power would jeopardize national security.

Pretty much or dead. Just impeach if it is a mental issue. (It definitely is a mental issue)

My AP Gov teacher was the best. Had that class in 2016-17 and you could *just* see the brains of maga kids almost starting to function properly. I remember acing certain tests because half the info could be found if you watched The West Wing lol

This is honestly why I find the repetition of this meme about super-term Vance incredibly tedious. No one in the GOP leadership cares about Vance. He's an obedient empty suit, and there's effectively unlimited supply of men just like him waiting in the wings that the GOP could deploy. He wouldn't be able to get elected at the top of the ticket once. The leadership knows that, hell, Vance probably does too. No one is risking *anything* to try and conspire to get Vance more hypothetical time.

It won’t be seen as a betrayal because they will broadcast their intentions loud and clear. MAGA will fully support a scheme like this knowing full well it’s simply to hold power.

This is the same "Freedom Fries" crowd who now deny ever supporting W. They are gullible and easy to manipulate.

> These articles are so pointless. Welcome to /r/politics

If you look, its almost always Newsweek, Daily Beast, or New Republic with that shit. It feels very much like "controlled opposition". "No, no, dont worry, you dont have to do anything, stay home, its all about to end any second now"

People don't seem to understand that the 25th is not a loophole to get around impeachment. The amendment was drafted in response to the Kennedy assassination. There was speculation as to what would have happened if Kennedy hadn't died but was left in an unrecoverable coma. This was during the cold war and it was theorized that if that had occurred we would be left unable to respond to a nuclear strike until congress impeached the president. The extra steps are meant to make it nearly impossible to remove a president via this method if that president is capable of saying no. Trump is a terrible president and should be removed, but the 25th is not the appropriate method to do so. This is what impeachment is for.

It's actually even harder than that. Impeachment is a majority of the house and 2/3 of the senate. 25th amendment removal is 2/3 of both.

It's really annoying that there have been uncountable articles about invoking the 25th to get rid of Trump, but nobody seems to have ever actually read the text of the amendment. People act like it's some magic button to end-run around impeachment, but it's not and was never meant to be.