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NBCaz Mar 31, 2026 +217

Jonathan Cain is not a co-founder. He was brought in after Gregg Rolie, the actual co-founder retired.

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oh_my316 Mar 31, 2026 +24

You are correct, sir! 👍

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CyberHippy Mar 31, 2026 +30

I met Gregg at a party in the mid-90's, he was really bitter about the whole thing so I don't know that "retired" is the right word... Edit: however I see the Wiki entry says it was amicable so I may have hit him on a bad day.

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NBCaz Mar 31, 2026 +24

Yeah back then he called it retiring from the road if I recall. He was done touring. He took some time off, did a couple of solos and then jointed the Storm. That's when I met him too. But I've also heard that him and Perry didn't really get along. That whole band has been a drama fest for decades.

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zeruch Mar 31, 2026 +11

Pretty much the holy trinity of rock drama refugee camps is Fleetwood Mac, Yes, and Journey.

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counterfitster Apr 1, 2026 +5

[This whole situation never fails to crack me up ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_(Yes_album)#Background)

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MickCollins Apr 1, 2026 +4

Maybe I just haven't read the right things, but I had no idea that Yes was in that category. Fleetwood Mac - that's one's obvious as is all the stuff with Journey. But Yes? Please tell me more.

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rattatatouille Apr 1, 2026 +4

They had both members of the Buggles (Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes) after Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman left in 1979. Horn would continue producing for them later on, and Downes rejoined the band in 2011 and has been with them since. (After the band first split in 1981, Downes and guitarist Steve Howe would form Asia alongside ex-King Crimson bass/vocalist John Wetton and ex-ELP drummer Carl Palmer.) Their 1982 reunion started when Trevor Rabin (these days more well known for scoring films) decided to team up with Chris Squire and Alan White for a project called Cinema. Then they also recruited former Yes keyboardist Tony Kaye, and then after realizing that the band at that point was mostly Yes alumni decided to turn it into a new Yes lineup and recruited Jon Anderson.

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zeruch Apr 1, 2026 +2

They've had more personnel shifts than we've all had changes of underpants since birth, and the contentiousness of the relationships between almost all of them (or the various camps) over the years is a minotaur maze of weird passive-aggressiveness. u/counterfitster pointed out the worst one here: [https://www.listnook.com/r/Music/comments/1s8ziw0/comment/odlxfad/](https://www.listnook.com/r/Music/comments/1s8ziw0/comment/odlxfad/) ...but there is almost no docile period of the band. Even during their most successful years and stable lineups, the group was a stormy argumentative proposition. Bruford has stated "See, the problem with bands like Yes has been overconsumption of resources, greed on the one hand and indolence on the other,"

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rysker6 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Aerosmith has entered the chat

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zeruch Apr 1, 2026 +1

They've had issues but mostly in the rolling stones way of butting heads between the two main dudes. They have not had endless lineup changes and an origami of crises folded onto itself like the three above.

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CyberHippy Mar 31, 2026 +4

Ah, I do remember him ranting about Perry.

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krokus_headhunter Apr 1, 2026 +3

Gregg Rolie Journey is the only Journey I listen to. Infinity will never get old.

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MD_Dev1ce Mar 31, 2026 +6

So he’s the Elon Musk of Journey?

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zeruch Mar 31, 2026 +96

Cain is a scummy dispensationalist weirdo married to an evangelical dispensationalist grifter. Bring back Rolie and Perry for a last go and call it a day.

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dcy123 Mar 31, 2026 +17

I delivered flowers to them a few christmas' back. His wife was a raging b****. He was on the other hand fairly nice just in those two meetings. Sucks he sucks tho.

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Chapstick160 Mar 31, 2026 +22

His wife is now the White House Faith Advisor

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dcy123 Mar 31, 2026 +13

Yeah she *speaks in tongues* that kind of weirdo

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Bromodrosis Mar 31, 2026 +14

Paula White. She is a top-tier grifter. So is Cain for that matter. I hope they both get kidney stones.

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Chapstick160 Mar 31, 2026 +6

Pentecostals are weird man

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sincewedidthedo Mar 31, 2026 +6

Man, you’re not kidding. 12-year-old-raised-Catholic me got invited by a friend to their Pentecostal service, and that was wild. People rolling in the floor, speaking in tongues, etc. All I knew was stand up, sit down, kneel, communion…very orderly and regimented.

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No_Grand7184 Apr 1, 2026 +6

His wife is also one of Trumps “spiritual advisors”. As if he had a soul or heart

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zeruch Apr 1, 2026 +3

If you've ever seen one of her "sermons", you get the same vibe as a very belligerently committed salesman from Amway, or Tony Robbins on his 8th rail of coke.

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checkerboardandroid Apr 1, 2026 +1

There is an uncomfortable correlation between mlms and evangelicals.

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poseidondieson Mar 31, 2026 +3

Had to look up dispensationalist. So belief in rapture and that I’m understanding

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Wuzzy_Gee Apr 1, 2026 +3

I was eating in a mall food court on a weekday afternoon 20 years ago. A number of guys in their 40’s and 50’s with mullets came in and set up a keyboard and PA system. It was. Jonathan Cain doing a promotion for a new-age solo album he had put out. No one was paying any attention to him. It was pretty sad actually.

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I_Am_No_One_123 Apr 1, 2026 +1

And Steve Smith.

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zeruch Apr 1, 2026 +1

I don't consider Steve as essential, but it would be nice.

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negativepositiv Mar 31, 2026 +11

"You told me you had to work late at work, but now I see you in a restaurant with your ex?" "I was trying to fish a little bit."

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JediMasterKev Mar 31, 2026 +35

Super Christain Jonathan Cain lied? "Lies make baby Jesus cry" - Todd Flanders

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Find-Ubu-9999 Mar 31, 2026 +12

The Axis channel was playing their Escape tour from 1981 the other night. That's how I will remember them.

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DinkandDrunk Mar 31, 2026 +4

Missing some great tracks from the ensuing years but great show

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sgates9008 Mar 31, 2026 +5

![gif](giphy|yQNA144P1TiA8)

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mango_boom Apr 1, 2026 +4

Johnathan Cain kinda seems like a d*** in the interviews I’ve seen.

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SavageByTheSea Apr 1, 2026 +4

I stopped Belivin’

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VirginiaUSA1964 Mar 31, 2026 +11

Because a Farewell Tour without Steve is not going to garner the $$$ they need to actually retire.

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DokterZ Mar 31, 2026 +8

He already sold his publishing. Unless he is a horrible investor he can live off interest. That being said, Perry would help with ticket sales. So would other former members, somewhat. But former lawsuits probably burned that bridge.

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jr12345 Apr 1, 2026 +10

I love the fact that Perry knows, admits and is okay with the fact that he can’t do it anymore instead of trying to pull an Axl Rose, Vince Neil or DLR and go out there sounding like absolute garbage for a buck or two. Perry will always be the voice of Journey. I know he wasn’t the first or last, but anyone thinking of Journey hears Steve Perry singing. He was one of the greats… and will remain so.

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exqueezemenow Mar 31, 2026 +3

I don't trust that guy at all.

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implicate Apr 1, 2026 +1

Regardless of who is onboard, there are few things in the music world I think I'd enjoy more than Journey saying farewell.

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implicate Apr 1, 2026 +1

Just as long as it ends.

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_LyleLanley_ Apr 1, 2026 +1

He once introduced himself to me at a charity event. When he didn’t get immediate recognition from me he literally said, “…from Journey”

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draculasbitch Apr 1, 2026 +1

OP, do better and change this headline or delete the post.

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fanamana Apr 1, 2026 +1

'the f*** does that even mean? Typical evangelical, lie & forgive yourself.

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5centraise Apr 1, 2026 +1

Why are the Jurney guys constantly being dicks?

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Regnes Mar 31, 2026 +1

The whole thing is probably a ruse by them to drum up interest in a tour.

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jt2ou Mar 31, 2026

Paywall

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Journey co-founder Jonathan Cain admits to lying about Steve Perry's interest in reuniting for their farewell tour: 'I was trying to fish a little bit'

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