All the more reason never again to invest in Russia.
They will steal anything. Everything is up for grabs.
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gospdrcr0004 days ago
+26
You had Russian investments? You in the mob?
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st_Paulus1 day ago
-3
>They will steal anything. Everything is up for grabs.
It must be a completely different story with Russian assets and property in EU and US. Oh wait...
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Sweet_Concept22111 day ago
+2
Russia launched the largest European land war since WWII.
Did they think there'd be no repercussions?
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st_Paulus1 day ago
-3
>Russia launched the largest European land war since WWII.
Yeah, Belgrade was a totally different case. While we're at it - where are repercussions after several middle east wars? Crickets.
>Did they think there'd be no repercussions?
EU launched the largest theft since WWII. Did *they* think there'd be no repercussions?
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Sweet_Concept22111 day ago
Ignoring the high price Belgrade is even now paying for its 1990s warmongering, the wars of ex-Yu countries are dwarfed by the scale of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Russia is busy trying to steal a whole-ass country, and Russia-bots are salty about a few €billion in Russian funds getting sent to Ukraine?
Oh, the f****** irony.
As for the rest of your whataboutism... Cope, bro.
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st_Paulus1 day ago
-1
I was under impression this whole thread is filled with people who are salty about Danone. The irony it is.
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Sweet_Concept221119 hr ago
Putin won't invite you to his birthday no matter how much you kiss his ass.
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st_Paulus15 hr ago
Weird fantasy TBH. But you do you. No kinkshaming from me (:
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squintytoast4 days ago
+439
Billionaire, as in Rubles not Euros or Dollars.
>The plot and house are estimated to be worth around 1 billion rubles ($13.3 million). Furthermore, leaked bank records show that in early 2024, Kadyrov’s nephew opened a deposit account at Gazprombank with 1.5 billion rubles ($20 million), which quickly generated 224 million rubles ($2.98 million) in interest alone.
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imp3r104 days ago
+113
Still, how is he getting 15% interest!?
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alexwasashrimp4 days ago
+130
I don't know the actual interest rates there, but they are definitely much higher than the rates in developed countries. The instability and inflation mean that the rates have to be high, otherwise no one would lend money.
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kaamliiha2 days ago
+3
This. Small countries with less than stellar economies may have insane interest on loans to mitigate risk for lenders. We used to have like 30%...
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Used-Monk-48084 days ago
+73
This is not unusual in countries with weaker currencies. Right now I get 12 - 14 % on some simple savings on the Colombian peso ( which considering how well it has done against the USD on the last year ) has been a pretty good investment.
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SassiesSoiledPanties4 days ago
+2
How does this work out for you? You buy Colombian pesos which generate more interest than the fluctuations in value of USD vs the peso?
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Jeggles_4 days ago
+11
If you're interested in the mechanics, you open a savings account in a Columbian bank, you convert your currency to theirs (pesos) and the bet is that they will not get depreciated by inflation and that the bank in which you opened the account survives and is able to pay you back when you decide to withdraw.
I've had to explain to some people, who wanted to do something similar in russia, that it's probably not worth the risk, considering the avenues of converting russian rubles back to their currency at the official rate are very limited and it's likely that russia is going to get ravaged by hyperinflation, once they inevitably start printing money. There's also no guarantee that the russian state won't steal your money once they get desperate.
It can be profitable, but it's fairly high risk. You might as well just buy government bonds in third world countries at that point.
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CobblerFickle14872 days ago
+1
The risk is practically non existent for rubles. Multiple ways to transfer back and forth by crypto. The rate fluctuates but is fairly stable as of late and the rates for certificates are still fairly high
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mattcannon24 days ago
+17
Interest rates are pretty high in Russia, war spending is very inflationary for an economy.
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Wurm424 days ago
+11
The Russian central bank *lowered* their core interest rate to 15% in March.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/03/20/russian-central-bank-lowers-key-rate-to-15-a92278
Interest rates (and inflation) have been very high in Russia since they invaded Ukraine.
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MATlad4 days ago
+6
It's insane that the head of their central bank, Elvira Nabiullina, has been trying to resign more or less continuously since the start of the invasion:
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/23/russia-central-banker-tried-to-quit-over-ukraine-putin-said-no
When the (official) interest rate hit over 24% back in the 2024/25 period, the oligarchs started coming for her. The irony is that when other powerful Russians are getting fired, fleeing abroad, or going out windows, she has to stay right where she is.
In a different timeline, she'd be the Russian Alan Greenspan or Mark Carney.
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passatigi4 days ago
+9
Since the start of 2024 until now, interest rates for Russian bank deposits were between 14% and 22%. (source: first link on Google)
With lower interest rates nobody would ever put their money into banks, as they'd just be losing money because of inflation. So people would buy more stable currencies instead as a form of "investment". Which is not good for economy.
Turns out starting a senseless war and getting smacked back with drones is not great for economy haha.
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Faktafabriken4 days ago
+10
Inflation….
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gomurifle4 days ago
+9
Because inflation is also very high.
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Tranecarid4 days ago
+8
It’s Russia. They have insane inflation caused by war and with inflation interest rates follow.
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yetzt4 days ago
+1
It was a very interesting banking arrangement.
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CobblerFickle14872 days ago
+1
Interest rate went as high as 24% roughly 2 years ago. Made some good money as the exchange rate stabilized too
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Zilka4 days ago
+147
Danone was a special part of my childhood. They like super investested in russia in 90s. And our local shitty grocery store got this luxurious danone section. We spent lots of time in it with my mom deciding what new yogurt to try.
Yogurt isnt exactly a dessert. But danone made it an exciting treat. Through branding, big selection and rotation. Nothing else had a compareable experience.
Nothing outstanding for today, but in my childhood it was a local yogurt disneyland lol.
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terminalzero4 days ago
+51
> Yogurt isnt exactly a dessert.
just to chime in and say I'm having yogurt as desserts most nights in 2026 in the west - I think you and your mom were correct on this one
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Ripwind4 days ago
+19
Same. Couple scoops of greek yogurt and some frozen berries? Granola? Maraschino cherries? Lots of options and c****/healthy (mostly).
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a11mylove1 day ago
Dairy is not healthy.
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CantPullOutRightNow4 days ago
+3
Going from having to remove wiper blades from cars to prevent theft as a society to having a variety of choice in a small grocer mush have been a profound experience.
I remember a Ukrainian plumber explaining how they would wrap tissue paper around PVC pipes to melt the fittings together because the cement was never available. Good old SSR days.
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nerokaeclone4 days ago
+16
"self made russian billionaire" lol this is how
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Nisiom4 days ago
+136
It's really unfortunate for the companies that invested in Russia when it seemed to be genuinely aligned with the West. After 2022, and even after the war ends, any company that does so deserves whatever shit comes their way.
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BestFriendWatermelon4 days ago
+36
Russia has always been a nightmare for western companies. Easy to put money in, hard to get it out. The only thing unfortunate about Danone getting burned is that the original decision makers long left the company and are enjoying their millions sunning themselves in the Maldives.
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digital_cucumber4 days ago
-1
> money is easy to put in
Ah, I see what you did here.
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sumregulaguy4 days ago
+101
Russia was never aligned with the West and never will be. Someone should really study the phenomenon of people convincing themselves otherwise despite Russia constantly proving them wrong with its actions.
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jktcat4 days ago
+69
The same people that grew up with the red scare and being told Russia was our mortal enemy are now cozied up with them, it breaks my brain.
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AnalOgre4 days ago
+12
Money is the answer, what’s the question?
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Playful_Alela4 days ago
+3
I think it's the boring answer, but the answer is almost never money, and is always much more about ideology. There really wasn't much public pressure to sanction Russia or kick them out of the G8 over annexing Crimea in the US, but the US still did it (and it caused a permanent reduction in the growth of the Russian economy).
I think people in the West had Cold War fatigue, and were delusionally committed to the idea that a newly democratic (not really) capitalist Russia could be built up as an economic partner, and that economic incentives would make it so that Russia just wouldn't want give up their new found prosperity for a war of imperial conquest.
If it was purely a decision around personal enrichment or cynical focus on economic benefits for their own countries (which absolutely was a factor, especially with Merkel, I'm just saying it's not the only factor), Europe never would've cut off Russia over the 2022 full scale invasion. These decisions cost leaders in the West political and personal capital (how many incumbent parties lost elections post 2022 because of inflation from energy prices?).
It's like not a super satisfying explanation, but the only thing that is completely internally consistent to me is that Western leaders deluded themselves into thinking that the imperial appetite in Russia died with the Soviet Union, and we only needed to be concerned with China as an adversary
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Nisiom4 days ago
+38
Perhaps "aligned" with the West is too strong, but during his first years Putin was making a lot of good noises regarding collaboration with Europe. There were quite a few years of peace and trade between Russia and the West, and while I don't think they were ever seen as an ally, they weren't regarded as an adversary for anyone but the most h******* of US military hawks. It makes sense that companies thought it was safe to invest there.
But yeah, ultimately you're right. Russia was never aligned with the West and never will be. I hope our politicians have learned this lesson.
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DemonisTrawi4 days ago
+3
You mean second Chechen war with hundreds of thousands of Chechen population killed (more than 500k in both wars). Or continuation of occupation of Georgian territories taken in 92-93? Or 2008 war against Georgia?
Putin is just another man, Russians hate everyone around them and they will do everything to make harm. They never left so called Cold War.
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heyoneblueveloplease3 days ago
+3
Yeah calling the current war "Putin's war" is hilarious. It's a classic Russian imperialism war.
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Anxious_Subject_26044 days ago
+2
You're just grossly misinformed. Russia has and will always be anti-Western.
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McFestus4 days ago
+5
I suspect you are two young to remember but from the mid nineties to the mid 2000s it really did seem like there was a genuine desire on both sides to bury the hatchet, and Russia made significant moves to align with the west and start to be a partner in the global western order.
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recycleddesign4 days ago
+2
All the things you said, are running through my head
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Minusguy3 days ago
+1
It's exactly the opposite.
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rawboudin4 days ago
+26
I don’t know, Yeltsin, for all his faults, seems to genuinely give it a shot.
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alexwasashrimp4 days ago
+9
Actual Russia was - well, most of the time. The time it wasn't, it got the humiliating Crimean war.
Whatever is called "Russia" these days is just a diminished USSR with a new paint job and the same rotten elites.
Edit: spelling
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StaticSystemShock4 days ago
+6
Well, the rest of the west also considered and treated USA as part of the west, but we now see their true colors on display...
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st_Paulus1 day ago
>Russia was never aligned with the West and never will be.
When Chechens were exploding the buildings in Moscow they were called "rebels". "Inside job" and all. Apparently jet fuel can't melt steel beams after all.
Georgian president was armed and borderline ordered to attack the Russian garrison in Ossetia.
EU NATO territory was increased by how many times exactly?
ABM treaty and half a dozen smaller ones were terminated by US and co.
And the cherry on top - a violent coup widely supported, financed and borderline incited by proverbial "West".
It's like accusing Iran of hostility towards the US. Like - really? Now? (:
I'm sure most of the western listnookors can easily dismiss two decades of openly hostile actions. I can easily write off Iranian or Israeli concerns as well - they don't affect or threaten me.
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touriste4 days ago
+5
Danone is a shitty French company that had health related issues and refuses to disclose internal business and quality information with the French government. I believe they force as well farmer to sell their milk at the lowest price.
I won't cry for them.
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Wregghh4 days ago
-2
Wait, when did Russia seem aligned with any western country? Quite sure that Russian threats of nuking (insert western country city) were a weekly occurrence even before 2022. Then there's the countless assassinations and assassination plots, attempting to corrupt countries using gas and oil and in many cases succeeding. The list goes on.
Yeah very aligned.
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Nisiom4 days ago
+8
The first couple of decades after the breakup of the Soviet Union were far different from the insanity of post-Crimea Russia, when it had clearly devolved into a mafia state that needed an external enemy to survive. This is when the media (and assaninations) started to go nuts.
During those first years we built the Nord Stream gas pipeline, Russian tourists were all over the place, and oligarchs were buying football clubs and property everywhere. We didn't become energy dependent of Russia because we saw them as an enemy. They really seemed to be interested in cautiously approaching the West (and their population likely still is) but Putin became a dictator and it all went south.
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Nightspirit_4 days ago
+5
The fact that nord stream 2 went forward demonstrates the willful blindness of the west to russia's true face. Russia showed who they were before Crimea, I guess the mini invasion into Georgia in 2008 is already forgotten. Former USSR countries in Europe had been harrassed by Russia even before that. And when they were voicing critisism about nordstream and saying russia is dangerous they were labeled by western europe as hysterical and delusonal.
I guess the wish to believe in a normal Russia was so great they didn't want to hear anything about the opposite.
"They really seemed to be interested in approaching the west" - yes, to those who did not care to look too hard
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Nisiom4 days ago
+6
The West isn't this useless bunch of bureaucrats the media likes to portray, falling for every Russian trick in the book. It has been, and still is, the most formidable power on earth, while Russia is a backwater state with the GDP of Italy that just happens to have nukes.
Any dealings with Russia have been in our interest, and now that it's no longer the case, we are quickly shifting our energy sources. The West will survive, and Russia will most likely collapse yet again, as it did twice during the last century.
Was every decision perfect? Not at all. But making some mistakes is far from being blind or delusional, it's just that the world is often erratic and unpredictable, and you know what they say about hindsight...
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lostparis4 days ago
+1
> Russia showed who they were before Crimea, I guess the mini invasion into Georgia in 2008 is already forgotten.
By this logic Europe should not have depended on the US which has repeatedly done dodgy things too.
Putting all your energy needs in one basket is the bigger mistake, plus having too much trust. Trading with countries tends to reduce the number of wars with them. Putin being a piece of shit dictator doesn't help here.
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delinquentfatcat4 days ago
+2
In the early 1990's. Especially around the time of the 1991 coup, Russia went through a period of wild enthusiasm for getting unshackled from the Soviet past and following the "American" way. Russians, especially younger ones, held highly positive, practically worshipful views of the USA and the West. The iconic 1991 rock concert in Moscow attended by 1.5 million was a high tide mark of this hope.
These dreams were dashed by the pain of transitioning from the failed Soviet planned economy to a market economy, accompanied by an explosion in crime and corruption, inept governance, outward emigration of millions of the most educated, and losing the social stability of the USSR. By the mid-1990s the prevailing thinking became that "democracy" and "liberalism" were a mirage and a ploy by the West to subdue and buy out Russia/USSR. Millions would pine for the stability and familiarity of the USSR, feeling like they lost what they felt was a great empire to become a 3rd world nation; they almost elected a Communist rival in 1996 (major money was thrown in to prevent it).
The irony is that by 2000, Russia's market economy actually started working very well, plus the oil prices exploded from 10/barrel in the 1990s. But it was too late, Putin gained power and eventually took the country back towards Soviet despotism. Crucially, many Russians associated the prosperity Putin basically inherited with being somehow his own accomplishment. Later he'd harvest all of the resentiment and channel into hatred of the West to consolidate his own power.
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GalgoIsTheBestDog4 days ago
-4
>These dreams were dashed by the pain of transitioning from the failed Soviet planned economy to a market economy, accompanied by an explosion in crime and corruption, inept governance, outward emigration of millions of the most educated, and losing the social stability of the USSR.
In this matter part of the blame IS to the west and especially the U.S.
Western leaders and consultants were insistent, as this was the era of Reagans economics, that Russia cold turkey the transform into a market economy.
Russia did so. Disaster ensued. the eagerness and hopefulness of westernization turned to bitterness and hatred for many.
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Wregghh4 days ago
+2
No, Russia is to blame for its failure to implement market reforms. Russia did not implement reforms based on recommendations.
You can clearly see the difference between a country that actually implemented market reforms and ones that didn't. Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc, did not implement market reforms. While countries like Poland did and they fared much better, even though they didn't have oil and gas to prop up their economy.
Get this shit out of here, Russia itself is to blame for its economical woes.
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GalgoIsTheBestDog4 days ago
+1
>No, Russia is to blame for its failure to implement market reforms. Russia did not implement reforms based on recommendations.
Yes it did. The transition period is well recorded. The reforms followed western recommendations by the U.S. and IMF. They were similair to ones implemented by Poland
>You can clearly see the difference between a country that actually implemented market reforms and ones that didn't. Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc, did not implement market reforms while countries like Poland did and they fared much better, even though they didn't have oil and gas to prop up their economy.
The reason why the reforms worked in Poland was due to western economic support in the transition period. Poland had economic support, Russia and Ukraine did not. The reasons for this was political. There were some monetary policy mistakes in it as well by the Russian central bank.
You're arguing against a quite comprehensive historical consensus on the matter.
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Wregghh4 days ago
+3
Exactly, the Russian transitional period is well documented and they did not implement the recommended reforms. They either, partially implemented reforms, implemented them way too late, didn't implement them at all or implemented them in their own way.
Please remind me again, how did the privatization effort go in Russia? They created an oligarchy, didn't privatize large swaths of the economy until there was nothing left to sell, wasting precious resources on propping up and subsidising dead factories. They didn't open the privatization market, depriving them of foreign investment in the critical early years. The list goes on.
When you talk about financing, Russia was not getting financing because they were not implementing reforms. Poland got financing only after they established their plan on implementing said reforms and started executing them. Hell and when Russia did get money, a huge percentage of it ended up going missing.
Every report regarding this issue reads like this, 'the shock therapy plan was already shown to work from experience in Poland, etc. But it failed to grasp the complications of the Russian state.' aka we didn't take into account that the Soviets were so corrupt and incompetent.
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DetectiveRiggs4 days ago
+5
The yogurt company?
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RebelliousInNature4 days ago
+4
Trumps best pal behind that too. The president just loves a looter, as long as they’re not robbing Nikes.
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lgeorgiadis4 days ago
+18
Putin is the richest person in the world.
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kovrik4 days ago
+14
Sitting in a bunker, too scared to leave.
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passatigi4 days ago
+7
Which is probably the main reason why he is so respected by some aspiring kleptocrats.
A role model for a piece of shit.
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swimtwobirds4 days ago
+4
Going to have to remove all the windows above the first floor in that house, stat.
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Particular_Swim38434 days ago
+5
Cool. Loads of absolute helmets will think this is winning.
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nugentismycenter4 days ago
+2
A real self made man
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Yagsirevahs4 days ago
+2
Making Russia Great Again? /s
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zelenoid3 days ago
+2
Remember kids, we can't use frozen Russian money in the west because the Belgian ruzzian lover says its against international law!
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[deleted]5 days ago
-6
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godisanelectricolive4 days ago
+54
They invested decades ago and had their Russian assets seized after they pulled out of Russia.
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f00kster4 days ago
+50
I don’t see anything in this article that suggests Danone did anything like what you suggest.
They started to invest in Russia in 1992 and pulled out after the war started.
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SamuraiPizzaCats4 days ago
+25
So, you made a huge assumption based on a headline? Something is something for sure
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MikeSteamer2 days ago
+1
Nice targets of opportunity to rattle some cages.
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qetuycvjvic4 days ago
+1
Nephew
His son's are gonna be Uber billionaires damn
Wish my uncle did something in life
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Dolemite-mofo4 days ago
-5
Feel no sympathy for Danone
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kajokarafili4 days ago
+9
Why not?
They started investing in 1992 and employed around 100.000 people,according the article.They left the Russian market after the full invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
The Russian government transferred the seized company to some of their crooks.
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throwawayhyperbeam4 days ago
-18
How's this any different from what the far left wants to do to companies here in the US? This is what eating the rich looks like.
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TheShadowCat4 days ago
+12
I don't think anyone on the left wants to steal companies and hand them over to the nephew of a war lord.
This is Russofascism, which by definition is far right.
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throwawayhyperbeam4 days ago
-6
"Each the rich"
Translation: kill them and seize (in other words, steal) their assets.
After all, billionaires have no right to exist.
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TheShadowCat4 days ago
+4
They literally stole the assets to make new billionaires. You didn't even need to read the article, the title alone would have told you that.
If this was far left, it would have been seize the assets, then give ownership evenly to all the people. Not hand it over to two people with ties to a war lord.
This is how the economics of fascism works. Kleptocracy and crony capitalism are far right wing methods of running an economy.
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throwawayhyperbeam4 days ago
-6
By what mechanism would the far left seize assets?
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TheShadowCat4 days ago
+5
Same options as the far right.
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[deleted]16 hr ago
+1
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throwawayhyperbeam16 hr ago
+1
So go steal all their assets. What are you standing around posting here for?
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