Kansas revoked driver's licenses of 1,700 transgender residents

By the way, we have at least one example of a trans person in Kansas who never even changed their sex on their license or any of their legal documents, [and had their license revoked anyway.](https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/kansas-revokes-license-no-gender-change) The government of Kansas is apparently using some sort of database other than who has actually legally changed their sex, compiled in who knows what way, to determine who's trans. If you were trans you not only literally couldn't comply with this law if you took action the millisecond the Kansas senate overrode the governor's veto, you couldn't comply with it with a time machine.

Yeah so in the Netherlands we thought it was a good idea to keep a record on all citizens religious preferences. In 1939. Guess how that turned out.

Especially with the fact that the law can be defined as whatever the hell those in power wanted. Western rule of law double edged sword is that you will be caught off guard when the reality hit that laws are made up, those in power can do as they see fit with law while you still believe that legality is perfect and sacred People are still playing by the book while the book has been overwritten as you read it 

Yes, I’ve been trying to explain this to people that don’t care. When we change our names and sex on our documents, it’s all legal. None of it misrepresentation or fraud. You present a court order. It’s not secret why you are changing your name or sex. It’s why they were able to immediately invalidate those drivers licenses, they know exactly who has changed their names or sex bc of being trans.

I switched to matrix from discord recently. I dismissed privacy nerds urging me to do it before because I have nothing to hide from the government. Didn't really register until the ICE stuff that the situation can change but anything I said previously is set in stone. By waiting for things to get bad I doomed myself. It's an unfortunate situation where you don't care until you're actually affected, but once that happens it's too late

in this case, it was instantaneous, since there was no grace period :/

That argument fails on several grounds. A slave attempting to escape, and those helping them, were breaking the laws. Jewish people were ordered into ghettos and then to camps, failure to do so would violate the law (as would giving them safe harbor). Vagrancy laws were created when settlers wanted to clear natives off of the land by declaring them "vagrants." Drugs laws targeted specific groups by having huge discrepancies in sentencing guidelines depending on the drug. Watch as this administration finds more and more ways to proscribe normal behavior, necessary avenues of activity, and nominal states of being in order to turn innocent people into criminals. This is the oldest trick in the conservative playbook, going back to the days of kings and emperors. If you want to get rid of someone, find something they do or something they need to do or something unique about them and make it illegal. But to be clear, this isn't retroactive application of law. They aren't arresting people for having driven before the revocation. This is just a change in the law. For all the breakdown of the rule of law, it still hasn't ever been applied retroactively in violation of the Ex Post Facto rule.

Per first paragraph in the article: "The law also invalidated birth certificates for those who updated their gender markers" and effective immediately. Very clear what the intention is.

Is this part of why they keep trying to get voter rolls from states? Like they want to identify the demographics of those that vote against them, so they can find ways to make it difficult, or impossible, for them to vote?

It's horrible and so depressing

The people I know who are leaving are doing it because the Republicans in the legislature have practically criminalized their kid's right to exist.

They're just getting started. Who's next?

But that’s 1700 less voters for dems?

1700 is 0.05% of 3 million (or 0.06% if you round), not 0.005%. You’re off by an order of magnitude

Just like the sports ban other states are doing. Literally only effecting like a single kid in the entire state.

Conservatives can’t win anything based on their platform or policy outcomes. Thats why all they have is cheating via suppression and nonsensical hate based legislation. [Literally a historical fact spanning decades](https://archive.ph/20251007061846/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/the-gop-just-received-another-tool-for-suppressing-votes/550052/) [updated with paywall bypass] > In their 1981 lawsuit to stop the RNC from engaging in certain practices at the polls, the Democratic National Committee attested that in a New Jersey gubernatorial election, the RNC had sent sample ballots to communities of color, and then had the names for each ballot returned as undeliverable removed from voter rolls. > Democrats also alleged that the RNC hired off-duty cops to patrol majority-minority precincts, wearing “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands. These details were enough to secure a consent decree between the two party organizations and the court in 1982, stopping the GOP from engaging in such voter-intimidation practices. > Except, Democrats alleged, they didn’t stop. The consent decree was updated in 1987 after Republicans created a voter-challenge list of black voters from whom letters had been returned as undeliverable, with an RNC official saying that the list could “keep the black vote down considerably.” > The decree was modified again in 1990 after a court ruled the RNC had violated it by not telling state parties about its provisions, which had led to the North Carolina GOP sending 150,000 postcards to potential voters listing voting regulations, in an apparent attempt at intimidation. The GOP violated the court order again in 2004 after yet another voter-challenge list targeted black voters. This is also why McConnell and the entire conservative organization is a cancer with or without Trump, they’ve been making it their life’s work to poison the courts and the entire judicial branch to stop ruling properly. > The most striking implication of the death of the consent decree, though, may be more legalistic. The expiration date for the current consent decree was set in 2009, and the court by that time had become much more sympathetic to the RNC’s arguments, despite having found it in violation five years before. > Even though the RNC had proven unable to find a single instance of voter-registration fraud, the court ruled that the party had a compelling interest in ensuring such fraud did not occur, thus paving the way for full clearance on practices approaching voter caging. > The district court did acknowledge, citing the 2008 Supreme Court decision in Crawford v. Marion Cty. Election Bd, that voter intimidation and suppression were several magnitudes more likely to occur than voter fraud, but also **rested its analysis on its assessment of the future behavior of the Republican Party, as opposed to its decades-long track record.** Published in 2018. Well thank god lifting court supervision caused them immediately to compete fairly and completely cease with their vote suppression and cheating efforts Garbage people, electing garbage people because they exemplify them. Then still needing to cheat.

If they didn't spend billions getting the media to scare the citizens about imaginary problems, some of those people might start voting based on real problems. The GOP's core political strategy is to shout non-stop about identity poilitics in order to trick poor white people into voting against their economic interest. Trans people and immigrants aren't a threat to anyone - but painting them as threats is highly effective for securing power.

if you ignore all the evidence thats already out there, then there is no evidence!

Even a generous reading of this decision basically boils down to “let us see some hate crimes!”

Even if that *was* true, they just insta-revoked people's license to drive. And I'm also hearing birth certificates were revoked, but I'm more fuzzy on the details on that.

You'd think they'd stop and think about the absurdly larger number of women and men that'll now get harassed because they don't look "womanly" or "manly" enough. Their fear and hate of trans people just hurts everyone. They say they're passing it to protect women and girls like its a magical barrier on bathrooms that prevents criminals from entering. Now the law encourages women and girls to be harassed if they look too much like a man or a boy. Better not cut that hair too short! /s

There's no evidence that this discrimination will cause discrimination? I wish being deliberately hypocritical, obtuse and cruel while in a positionof power was a crime.

Forcing them to have ID’s that conflict with their gender identity is the harassment and discrimination part. A trans person now will be outed whenever they are asked to identify themselves.

And unfortunately it's not just them. Trump's administration tried to change the Federal definition of "sex" as 2 genders his first time, thankfully a Judge decided that it was partisan and that there were so many unknowns and people disenfranchised from a sudden change in a definition, and that the Federal Government couldn't prove any attempts at addressing those who would be, they tossed it. Next time around we won't be so lucky.

I would hope the takeaway from this whole era of history will be that it's not ok to be stupid. For such a long time we've operated under the idea that if someone is being an idiot, just don't engage and let them go on their way. That we just have to be patient and progress will happen naturally over time. What we've seen is that, left to fester, stupidity will always come back to cause harm to those who are doing the right thing. It should not be the burden of decent people to suffer throughout their one and only life so that morons can have their superstitions. Covid was the turning point where I stopped seeing them as people. Society needs to be structured so that being dumb *hurts.*

The problem is that it's *easier* to hate people you never have to interact with.  Isolation breeds bigotry. If you live in a tiny community and only ever interact with people who look and think like you, you start mistakenly believing that everyone thinks like you, and those who don't are insane.  As Mark Twain put it:  > Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime

In all fairness, I never have to interact with MAGA or Christian Nationalists, and I hate every single one of them with every fiber of my being.

i hope a judge throws this shit out. this is a very dangerous precedent.

Yeah, the hormones make the car explode🫠

How else are they going to prevent them from fleeing the state? The American Holocaust is brewing.

No way, we have checks and balances in this country to prevent it. Oh. Wait a minute..

Wait. Does everyone else not steer using their genitals?

And to transgender people, and homosexual people, and black people.

They also literally did it to trans people first. And they did it to us before Jewish people. I don't say that to make this an oppression olympics or anything. I say it to drive home that this IS deliberate progress towards a genocide. We have seen these exact steps before against these exact groups and where those steps lead. There is not analogy or metaphor or comparison, conservatives are trying to kill us trans people while everyone else sits by and watches. The nazis did this to trans people in 1933. Whatever you think the "good" Germans should have done in '33, you're living it right now.

Life, Liberty and ~~the pursuit of Happiness~~ It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Republicans wanted to require political affiliation and religion be added to birth certificates and have them be immutable for life. They’re basically saying your entire identity is assigned at birth and cannot change.

I’m trans, but white. It’s vitally important we recognize that POC immigrants are far more under threat than trans citizens right now. Not saying it won’t start, I’m very fearful of that. Who I f****** weep for are POC trans immigrants. There was one story I read months ago about someone who was in an ICE facility saying that the trans people they’d seen in there simply disappeared.

Yes. That's the point.

Yeah, it's hard because of Republican values and religious zealots. These people are going to keep oppressing others until they are physically forced to stop. They've realized that shame doesn't matter anymore and that they can just bulldoze through social norms. Eventually, they're going to have to be put in their place the hard way like they are trying to do to everyone else.

It's a fundamental part of fascism. They have to invent an out-group to demonise as a way to increase internal cohesion in their base, by giving them a common enemy. This is because fascism is an inherently empty ideology only concerned with power for the elite and it can't rally the base with anything actually constructive like infrastructure or community pride. Trans people are the perfect scapegoat since there are too few of them to organise any kind of effective resistance.

We had some nice nature and resources but those are for sale now too