\>**A judge ruled part of Kentucky's abortion ban defining human life as beginning at conception unconstitutional in a lawsuit brought by Jewish women.**
\>A Jefferson Circuit judge declared part of Kentucky’s near-total abortion ban unconstitutional in a ruling Friday, specifically related to its definition of when human life begins.
\>The opinion and order of Judge Brian Edwards declared the statutes “unconstitutionally void for vagueness,” specifically in relation to confusion over their conflicting definitions of “human being.”
Good.
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CelestialFuryMay 1, 2026
+1814
>It is not immediately clear what effect the ruling has on the enforcement of Kentucky’s abortion ban, but attorneys representing the women who brought suit view it as an **immediate win for women seeking in vitro fertilization**. Edwards’ order does not include any specific injunction on the enforcement of the abortion statutes.
This ban was so severe that women couldn't even get pregnant through in vitro fertilization. Republicans say they want women having kids and then make it hard as possible to do so??
1814
elephantasmagoricMay 1, 2026
+1215
They specifically want poor (uneducated) women and teen girls having children, because it makes it more likely they'll a) spend their entire lives a wage slave working shitty jobs and b) will continue to vote republican. IVF is expensive, so it's typically well off (and often gay) people who use it - people who are more likely to be liberal and to raise their children to be liberal.
1215
officialspinsterMay 1, 2026
+367
It also adds children to the adoption market.
367
Man_with_the_FedoraMay 1, 2026
+302
And to the Poverty Draft.
302
Snowwolf247May 1, 2026
+104
Gotta get those soldier's
104
SnarfbuckleMay 2, 2026
+22
And to the Epstein collaborators...
22
BlatantFalsehoodMay 1, 2026
+44
And to the pedo product pool.
44
RopeADoperMay 1, 2026
+85
Right, the "adoption market". For the GOP.
85
overfiend1976May 1, 2026
+148
Not enough folks understand thar 90% of the US adoption agencies are conservative, church funded organizations who are VERY particular who they adopt out to.
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Frequent-Ferret-5110May 2, 2026
+55
They're also very profitable! It's Christian to make lots of money off forcing poor women to go through the trauma of carrying a baby to birth, giving birth, and then having to give away the baby that they likely then feel a biological imperative to love and protect. Jesus said it in the Bible somewhere!
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wrgrantMay 2, 2026
+9
"Do unto others - whatever you can!" - GOP Jesus
9
AimlessFuckerMay 3, 2026
+4
Please listen to the podcast “Liberty Lost”. It discusses this.
I urge anyone questioning it to listen as well.
4
Frequent-Ferret-5110May 3, 2026
+2
Oh god, I definitely will listen but the summary alone sounds heartbreaking and might be a tough listen (because of the subject). Thanks for sharing.
2
DrywesiMay 3, 2026
+2
Reasons I gave up on ever adopting.
2
paanbrMay 1, 2026
+3
Yeah, right there with ya. 🤢🤮🕳
3
COskibunnieMay 2, 2026
+8
And to future dead soldier supply
8
AimlessFuckerMay 3, 2026
+4
Actually this is not talked about enough.
Please everyone listen to the podcast “Liberty Lost”.
During abortion bans, evangelical mega churches use facilities to essentially sell babies. It has a term for this practice, but I’ve forgotten the term. It’s in the podcast.
It talks about how a lot of large churches really didn’t become fervently against abortion until after it was legal and they saw massive drops in revenue from taking babies from single, unwed, and teen mothers and then selling the babies in for-profit “adoptions”. Same can be said for teen pregnancy rates dropping.
4
alkietMay 2, 2026
+6
Omg you guys are nuts
It's about doing what our Lord WANTS
because the Bible saying so
6
alkietMay 2, 2026
+24
Btw, I am jk^
24
dnbxnaMay 2, 2026
+8
Poe's law strikes again
8
BeastofPostTruthMay 1, 2026
+85
No war but a class war
85
paanbrMay 1, 2026
+34
Honestly, it wouldn't be much of a war if they weren't too chicken shit to actually come out/down and fight. Thats why they hide. Bunch of yellow bellied cowards, every single one of em, a waste of oxygen. All they are is rich. They know they have no real value and that just kills em. Truth hurts.
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BlueLikeCatMay 2, 2026
+8
If you think they’re not already planning on using robots to violently oppress the masses, then you don’t know who Peter Thiel is.
8
Beek3r101May 1, 2026
+42
Okay I just want to add that blue states are more likely to include IVF in insurance policies making it available to a much wider population. I consider myself extremely lucky as a person living in a red state, to have insurance coverage through a company based in a state which offers IVF and fertility benefits. It is NOT common for the people around me going through the same struggles. They’re having to take out full 15-20k loans just to try.
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elebrinMay 1, 2026
+17
I am honestly surprised that insurance covers optional stuff like IVF and pregnancy. It’s a good thing but it does surprise me.
17
MilsYatsFeebTaeMay 2, 2026
+11
It’s a requirement in Massachusetts.
11
Beek3r101May 1, 2026
+5
Yeah, sometimes it’s an optional add in, but mine specifically just plain has it included in the high deductible plans. I’ve gotten coverage from both BCBSIL and BCBS excellus (NY). I can’t say if the other blue states do or not.
5
FeloniousReverendMay 2, 2026
+3
Also people travel for IVF to visit clinics with better success rates or use surrogates, so the law doesn't stop rich people from having kids this way.
3
chillinathidMay 1, 2026
+93
Any definition of a person begins at conception will ban IVF. In IVF you might fertilized 15 embryos and only have 1-3 which are free of abnormality. Leaving the rest as fertilized but not optimal for implantation. Those will be destroyed which would be 10+ murders for those who define life at conception.
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hera-fawcettMay 1, 2026
+37
tbf i have seen some ppl/places try to argue that the destruction of frozen embryos *is* a murder charge and that companies should be held liable.
so ppl can and do rock w that definition when it suits them
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OrangboMay 1, 2026
+8
For some of those people it’s not “when it suits them” so much as being consistent. As much as I disagree, I can at least respect sticking to principles.
8
Elliebird704May 2, 2026
+15
That’s how I view ‘pro-life’ people who don’t support exceptions for things like r***. If they’re truly arguing from the genuine belief that abortion means a baby is being murdered, then exceptions for r*** make absolutely no sense and aren’t consistent with that stance.
So as abhorrent as it is to me as someone who is pro choice, I’m at least more convinced I’m talking to someone who actually believes they’re advocating for what they believe to be someone’s life. As opposed to the pro lifers that mysteriously think ‘murdering’ a baby is fine if the mother was raped (or in short, are actually just wanting to punish women who choose to have sex)
15
exoriparianMay 2, 2026
+4
That's pretty funny, and seems impossible to detangle from "abortion" restrictions.
4
chickens_for_laughsMay 2, 2026
+7
Last I knew, the medical definition of pregnancy is when an embryo implants in the uterus. IVF eggs in storage have not implanted.
Nature is the biggest abortionist of all. Some late periods are miscarriages that are very early. Over 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage.
And now a Federal judge has blocked mifepristone prescriptions via telehealth.
7
Dopplegangr1May 1, 2026
+122
In vitro let's the gays have kids, can't have that
122
MeatCatRazzmatazzMay 1, 2026
+68
They've always been against in vitro. They had to back off a bit because their base largely views it as a good thing, but the maniacs still want it gone.
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Electricsheep389May 1, 2026
+53
Ivf throws out embryos so if you consider life starting at conception you believe ivf is murder
53
blifflesplickMay 1, 2026
+16
They only want the blessed to be fruitful, and if you have problems at any stage,you clearly aren't blessed.
(sigh)
16
cmdradama83843May 1, 2026
+4
I understood that reference.
4
TheModWhoShaggedMeMay 1, 2026
+36
They don't women to have kids *for the women's sake*. C'mon, it's to populate their private prisons and worker camps and re-populate humanity with well-conditioned automatons raised with and by the iron fist (you know, *Christian*).
36
Abracadaver14May 1, 2026
+18
> Republicans say they want women having kids
No, that's not what they want. They want to control women, take away their agency.
18
esach88May 1, 2026
+13
Republicans want women having kids by being raped by Republicans. In vitro prevents Republicans from conception via r***, as this the Republicans natural mating ritual.
13
Procrastinista_423May 1, 2026
+6
It’s consistent with their view that life begins with conception. It just proves they don’t really believe their “convictions.”
6
Entire-Ratio-9681May 2, 2026
+3
In vitro is extremely disgusting to them as well because it almost always includes many fertilized embryos that get destroyed.
3
ike7177May 1, 2026
+4
it’s actually simple-Republicans and their supporters are absolute ignorant IDIOTS
4
Whiteguy1xMay 1, 2026
+4
They dont understand what theyre doing and acting with their gut and religious convictions. The truth doesnt matter compared to their feelings and what they've been told by their daddy or minister.
Abortion bans are about making religious people feel good, not about anything else
4
PokemonTrainerWinterMay 2, 2026
+2
They don’t care about children and certainly not women
2
Dopplegangr1May 1, 2026
+276
If human life started at conception, would identical twins be illegal cloning?
276
KhutuckMay 1, 2026
+161
More importantly, if human life started at conception can I file for a child tax credit for the previous year?
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SnobolskiMay 1, 2026
+82
Also important: if human life starts at conception, shouldn't child support start then too?
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Ordinary-Surround-73May 1, 2026
+20
This. The state could also be required to save as many fertilized eggs and fetuses at risk of being aborted by the body as it can. (Believed to be far more numerous than elective.) The costs to society would be astronomic, and the other sacrifices required of both society and family also impossibly enormous. I live in the Bible Belt and no one's ever been so fanatically "pro-life" to express a belief in duty to use new modern medical abilities to save any of these lives.
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Kind_Comfort_6336May 2, 2026
+7
If human life starts at conception, are we all using the wrong zodiac signs to excuse our shitty behaviour?
7
JustHereForCookies17May 2, 2026
+4
As a Marylander born in July, you can take my Cancer sign from my cold, dead claws...I mean hands.
Crabs forever!! 🦀 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
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SecondHandWatchMay 1, 2026
+13
You could get pregnant in Kentucky, get an abortion in another state, and still (probably?) claim the tax credit. As long as there isn’t a time limitation.
13
ahawk99May 1, 2026
+87
It’s so full of vagueness every case would be tied up in legal knots for decades
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RiddickulousRadagastMay 1, 2026
+8
If you can afford it that is. Who these days can even pay the filing fee if the majority of people can't financially handle a $500 expense popping up, not to mention how much it could cost just to retain council and ride the wave of trials in appeals court if you go that route
8
ahawk99May 1, 2026
+7
Which is the point. They know that we know that we can’t afford the fight
7
WreckNTexan48May 1, 2026
+2
Which is the point, if you and your children need to live by their ideals then they win.
2
Mixture-EmotionalMay 1, 2026
+90
Or what if its triplets and one of the babies is absorbed into the other baby. Did one of the babies commit murder? 🧐 😂
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Dopplegangr1May 1, 2026
+57
Murder and cannibalism. Straight to jail
57
AtlasThePittieMay 1, 2026
+21
Baby is born in jail because mom got locked up for aiding and abetting murder.
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WeorthMay 1, 2026
+11
That's what happens when you harbor a killer, mommy dearest.
F****** toxic fetus mom behavior...
11
hirudoredoMay 1, 2026
+10
I apparently absorbed my twin according to family legend. Bake me away, toys.
10
psdpro7May 1, 2026
+2
What'd you say, Chief?
2
HarlanCedenoMay 1, 2026
+22
Every miscarriage would invite a potential wrongful death investigation
22
Consistent-Throat130May 1, 2026
+46
Oh, don't worry, they're already prosecuting women for miscarriages.
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HarlanCedenoMay 1, 2026
+4
And I'm sure their voters are fully on board
4
keep_trying_username5 days ago
+2
That would be a miscarriage of justice.
2
Spiritual-Pear-1349May 1, 2026
+8
Are the human beings in the room with us right now?
8
MrchristopherrrMay 1, 2026
+8
If life starts at conception then you couldn’t deport any potentially pregnant women, as you would be deporting a US citizen.
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ccashmanMay 2, 2026
+7
Which is why they’re trying to clamp down on birthright citizenship.
7
TeacherPattiMay 1, 2026
+51
Jew here! I'm not super religious, but the not being alive until your first breath outside the womb is one of my favorites. Great job, ancestors!
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oatwheatMay 2, 2026
+23
This is a true story that sounds like the beginning of a joke, but it merely ends with a joke:
A rabbi and I were talking after dropping our kids off at the same preschool. It was a wide-ranging convo and it included some Judaism (I am neither Jewish nor religious in any way)
His tone took a really serious turn as he told me this joke,but did not warn me that it was a joke:
Him: “Do you know when Jews believe life begins?”
Me: “no… when?”
Him: “Right after grad school.”
Core memory I’ll never forget
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TeacherPattiMay 2, 2026
+4
That's awesome! My dad (not Jewish) would agree--that's when he finally had to stop paying for my ass :)
4
shwarma_heavenMay 1, 2026
+27
Human at birth has no scientific basis... *they* don't even believe it. When was the last time you've seen any of them hold a funeral for a fetus? You can't just dispose of "*humans*" with toilet paper and a flush down the toilet.
They don't require SSNs for a fetus. It isn't considered murder when smoking and drinking likely contribute to a miscarriage (which happens in the South quite a bit more than they admit). But take a pill by choice, and hoo boy.
And after it is born? F*** it, that's *your* problem.
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VoteYourOssoffMay 1, 2026
+18
They don't really care about the unborn either. They constantly vote against pre and post natal care for mothers, and red states rank high in infant and maternal mortality. It's literally just abortion that they care about, because they think the other awful things they vote for are absolved because they obsess over abortion.
Like Trump literally bombed a school full of children and they didn't give a shit.
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cindyscrazyMay 2, 2026
+5
I'm sure I've read about a red state charging a woman for having a miscarrage.
5
fiestafan73May 1, 2026
+11
How much money and time was spent creating this ridiculous law and defending it? Once again, Kentucky's GOP supermajority doing bullshit like this to look like they are doing something, all while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to make life better for Kentuckians. 25% of the children that are already here live in poverty, and they are making a fuss about a clump of cells instead of taking care of those children. It is so repugnant.
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ioncloud9May 2, 2026
+13
Even if they believe it’s a human being, what right does this human have to another persons body? What laws exist that say humans must give up their bodies to keep other humans alive? saying it’s a legal person should have no impact on whether or not that legal person has rights over another legal persons body.
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My_alias_is_too_lonMay 3, 2026
+3
IMO it's not a "human being" until it can survive on its own outside the womb. Before then, it's just a grouping of cells that drain resources for the mother.
3
DiesByOxSnotMay 1, 2026
+8
>defining human life as beginning at conception unconstitutional in a lawsuit brought by Jewish women.
That's not even how Judaism defines the beginning of human life. It's the first breath that ensoules iirc, and Judaism allows for abortion to protect the life of the mother.
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af_cheddarheadMay 1, 2026
+29
Yes, the jewish women were the ones suing to have this declared unconstitutional for religious reasons.
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DiesByOxSnotMay 1, 2026
+16
Oh, I'm dumb. Hell yeah for these Jewish ladies
16
af_cheddarheadMay 1, 2026
+6
Nah, I thought the same thing the first time I read the headline.
6
artemis2kMay 2, 2026
+1
Bless those Jewish women
1
geekgirl114May 1, 2026
+347
A group of Jewish women are also suing Indiana for its total abortion ban too
347
SleepingToDreamingMay 1, 2026
+581
Wow and in Kentucky no less. Such oddly terrifying and satisfying times we live in simultaneously.
581
MajesticLilFruitcakeMay 1, 2026
+227
Kentucky politics are weird. I think that the term “progressive Republican” is an oxymoron, but many of today’s Republican politicians from Kentucky are making me rethink that.
(Not condoning today’s Republican Party at all, but many of the high profile Republicans from Kentucky are slightly less disagreeable).
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valzargamingMay 1, 2026
+113
I think many of them looked at Mitch McConnell and said they didn't want to be as bad as that guy and have been trying to toe the line
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MajesticLilFruitcakeMay 1, 2026
+32
Yeah, it’s like the worst traits that (can) come from being Republican all went to Mitch McConnell. I know I don’t agree with Massie or Paul on everything but they’re among the few conservatives who I could actually tolerate in today’s climate.
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Free_Possession_4482May 1, 2026
+23
The news stories you hear about Thomas Massie are almost always going to be national coverage of him opposing Trump, which certainly has an appeal. However, if you take a look at his actual positions, he's still pretty terrible. His Christmas card a few years ago featured a photo of his entire family posing with various firearms, with Massie himself carrying an actual, fully automatic M60 machine gun. On a *Christmas card.*
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quyksilverMay 1, 2026
+16
I went to an event of his last month, and he told us about how he gets flak because he votes against Trump 7% of the time…which means he still votes with Trump 93% of the time.
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BrushyTuna8319May 2, 2026
+2
As a Kentuckian, I hope so. I cannot understand why McConnell is still in office. The majority of people I talk to detest the guy.
2
Free_Possession_4482May 1, 2026
+33
Kentucky politics are weird. Despite being an undeniably red state, Andy Beshear is a popular two-term Democratic governor. His administration started just four years after his father Steve's own governorship ended, also as a two-term Democrat. The Republican in between them, Matt Bevin, was such a miserable shit that even Trump's endorsement couldn't move the needle for him with Kentucky voters.
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MareOfDalmatiaMay 2, 2026
+3
I hope Andy Beshear runs for president in 2028.
3
charcoalVidrioMay 1, 2026
+40
It might be libertarianism, which can sometimes agree with progressives on certain issues. Some midwestern states like Kentucky have a lot of that around.
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hirudoredoMay 1, 2026
+7
western, too. That's basically old school Oregon politics. Grew up around a lot of old school libertarians who really walked the walk of "I truly do not care what you do in your home as long as you're not like... hurting kids or something. And even then I'm so libertarian that as long as I have my weed, I won't say shit about it."
7
VixinXiviirMay 1, 2026
+13
I think what it comes down to is a lot of them, while you disagree with them, you can at least tell they’re principled. I disagree with Rand Paul on a WHOLE lot of things but I respect that he is one of the few politicians I feel actually sticks to his principles even when it goes against his party.
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MikuEmpoweredMay 2, 2026
+4
"Progressive conservatism" is a legit thing.
Basically its when you look at traditional value, and be like: "We like alot of this", then you look at "Liberal/Social" ideology and go "I also like some of these"
The core "idea" is that Social stability, Economy, and Free market are really important, but government also has a duty to address market failures and protect the disadvantage. Compared to "traditional" conservatism, it views government intervention necessary to to maintain and achieve the value of stability and economy.
Examples like this is Otto von Bismarck and Teddy Roosevelt.
Its not oxymoron, nor are they full republican. This is the problem when you define everything by 2 spectrum. Everything has to fall into those 2 categories. kinda like how Democrat has progressive and moderate, when in reality, it should be split into different parties.
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BustDemFerengiCheeksMay 2, 2026
+2
Kentucky for a long time was essentially a socially conservative pro labor blue state in state elections until recently. Not entirely, but I find you see more libertarianish Republicans and more blue dog Democrats in Kentucky than other states. The political line gets a little blurry.
2
atlantagirl30084May 1, 2026
+2
For some reason, Massie and Paul are...not terrible. Especially Massie re: Epstein. He and MTG joined up about that.
2
yrexloverisdeadMay 1, 2026
+17
Paul said this week that he plans to propose a bill to fund Trump’s f****** ballroom.
Massie puts pedophiles (like Trump) in his reelection commercials and doesn’t think trans people are human beings entitled to rights, and spreads massive misinformation/propaganda about “wokeness.” Massie doesn’t give a shit about justice for the survivors of Epstein, it was all phony.
Yeah, they are both pretty terrible. They might make cute comments sometimes to look like they aren’t *just* MAGA shills but at the end of the day they bow to Trump just like the rest of their party.
They both voted “no” on the “Big Stupid Bill” last year. They say they it’s because it adds too much to the deficit, and they wanted even more cuts to social programs. But the only reason they actually did vote NO is because republicans had enough votes to pass it without them.
tl;dr: Massie and Paul are legit trash humans.
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unabashed_nuanceMay 1, 2026
+3
I think it is right (in most cases) to say not ALL of any group are truly c***. There are a few republican politicians who haven’t completely sold their souls.
The mayor of my city is a republican, but you’d never know it by how he operates or talks.
3
candygram4mongoMay 1, 2026
+23
I think that some people are missing that this was specifically on religious freedom grounds -- in Judaism fetuses are not considered persons until they're born.
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SleepingToDreamingMay 1, 2026
+14
Regardless of on what grounds, it helps to get others to get closer to rational thought on human rights and classifications that should have been cleared up decades ago.
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PawtuckawayMay 2, 2026
+2
It was on IVF and religious grounds. They won the IVF argument but lost on the religious grounds argument.
2
Ekillaa22May 1, 2026
+178
Hell yeah good for her! Wonder if she used her religion to say why this was unconstitutional since don’t Jewish people believe life starts when you take your first breath
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bayleysgal1996May 1, 2026
+202
Yep, and IIRC Jewish law actually mandates that an abortion be performed if the life of the mother is endangered
202
EfficientTourist7480May 1, 2026
+71
Old Testament even prescribes a method of abortion
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MaygarRodubMay 2, 2026
+2
Well, let's not use the old testament as a good example for anything. It condemns trimming your beard, wearing mixed fabrics, getting a tattoo, sowing different kinds of seeds in the same field.
2
quyksilverMay 1, 2026
+14
Yes, my former rabbi has mentioned this multiple times
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justhereforthelulMay 2, 2026
+15
When these bans started a lot of us said that what could bring them down were people of the Jewish faith specifically because of their belief of when life starts.
I'm glad we finally saw results of this.
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Denman20May 1, 2026
+20
Whelp I learned something new today. Makes me wonder if a premature baby is removed early and put onto an incubator does they count if the lungs aren’t developed fully and it can’t breathe?
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PinchmanjiriMay 2, 2026
+10
Anecdotal, but my great-grandad was very religious (and otherwise a cool guy). When I was born, I was put on a ventilator for two weeks, and he wouldn't let my parents announce my birth to the synagogue until after I was breathing on my own. He said that until I could breathe, I wasn't alive, and telling the community that I was would bring bad luck that could kill me.
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Ekillaa22May 1, 2026
+21
I think that’s fair game since it was far along enough to be able to survive with aid from a device. I cannot truly answer since I’m not Jewish. However I have read that loopholes are kinda like actively encouraged to be found.
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Tzahi12345May 1, 2026
+27
Here's a quote from the mishnah:
https://www.sefaria.org/English_Explanation_of_Mishnah_Oholot.7.6.2
>If a woman is having trouble giving birth, they cut up the child in her womb and brings it forth limb by limb, because her life comes before the life of [the child]. While still in the womb, the fetus's life does not take precedence over the mother's. Indeed, one might not even go so far as to call it a "life." Therefore, the doctors/midwives may cut the fetus up in order to save the life of the mother.
This makes it clear fetus's are not considered human life, and makes it clear the mothers health is priority.
Further:
>But if the greater part has come out, one may not touch it, for one may not set aside one person's life for that of another. However, once most of the child has emerged, it is forbidden to do anything to harm the child because it is forbidden to take one life in order to save another. The child is considered to be a "life" once most of it has emerged from the womb.
So it's not a matter of breathing but rather if the child is in the womb or outside.
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StevesegallbladderMay 2, 2026
+6
Even still it seems somewhat open to interpretation a bit.
|| This makes it clear fetus's are not considered human life, and makes it clear the mother's health is priority.||
It could be interpreted as *how much* of the fetus is exposed during parturition.
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Tzahi12345May 2, 2026
+4
That's fair, but not really a thing you'll run into. You'll need complications where the "birth direction" (I'm sure there's a word for this) is backwards i.e. not head first.
Also in terms of the abortion debate it's completely irrelevant, I'm sure doctors have ethical guidelines for this.
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Shadowchaos1010May 2, 2026
+22
>The Jewish women also alleged that Kentucky’s laws violated her religious freedom because they use Christian doctrines and beliefs around the beginning of human life, imposing them over other religious beliefs.
>
>While Edwards partially ruled in Kalb’s favor, he discarded the religious freedom argument, saying the law applies to people of all religions equally.
>
>Edwards wrote that the state’s near-total abortion ban “is a religiously neutral, general burden upon virtually any Kentuckian of faith seeking to participate in IVF.”
So this is bullshit. It doesn't matter if it's equally applied to people regardless of faith. The point is that it imposes the belief of a single faith. Which is still unconstitutional.
Preferential treatment of a faith is illegal, even if it's then applied to people of all faiths.
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ElizaMaySampsonMay 3, 2026
+4
Yes, like the requirement of Sujud, to pray with forehead, nose, hands, knees and toes touching the ground, then forced on all faiths.
The practice and belief of one faith that all must then conform to.
4
funtimes-forallMay 1, 2026
+38
If states that criminalized abortion were actually prolife, they would have better childcare policies in place than those states that legalized abortion. But we all know that the exact opposite is true. This is not at all about being prolife, it's all about further disempowering the already powerless, women and poor people. This was made explicit in Texas when the legislature declined to provide a safe harbor of care for women whose life was endangered by their pregnancy. In addition to the tenuous benefit of gaining more power for themselves, there is the element of pure cruelty reflecting their contempt for the weak, and special kind of schadenfreude that comes with telling themselves it's all for Jesus.
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EmmalouEsqMay 2, 2026
+38
Islam allows for abortions up to the 16th week and after that if the mother's life is at stake.
So women in Saudi Arabia have more access to abortion than many American women.
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blue-jaypegMay 1, 2026
+95
The Bible states at multiple places that life begins at first breath. Inside the womb, the fetus' lungs are filled with fluid, and the oxygen absorbing organs in the lung don't develop until the 35rh week (out of a 40 week pregnancy.)
"Life begins at conception" is dubious from scientific and religious grounds.
Life begins at first breath.
Genesis 2:7
Job 33:4
Ezekiel 37:5&6,
Exodus 21:22
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k_realtorMay 1, 2026
+26
So glad that the founders wrote: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Cool they added the prohibit part in the second part so people can pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster but the best part is to make sure they used the word "LAW" so they made it clear that people don't f*** other's people's personal choices cause it's none of their business 😃
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Junior_Builder_4340May 2, 2026
+8
Thank you for pointing this out. Evangelicals conveniently forget that the Bible states that Adam was not a living being until God "breathed into him."
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talyn5May 3, 2026
+5
Evangelicals conveniently forgot the bible.
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Stillwater215May 2, 2026
+7
The scientific consensus is that life began roughly 3.5 Billion years ago, and it has been an ongoing process ever since. The question of “when does a fertilized egg become a unique human life” isn’t scientific; it’s philosophical. Science isn’t ever going to provide an answer to that question because it’s not a well-formed scientific question.
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TheRexRiderMay 1, 2026
+294
Note, prolifers, it is the Jewish, the ORIGINAL worshipers of your god, that brought this lawsuit. Your claims of life beginning at conception is bullshit.
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qowwwMay 1, 2026
+124
I pointed this out in a debate recently and was called anti-Semitic by a Christian pro lifer lol
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Tzahi12345May 1, 2026
+41
Yeah basically judaism doesn't view personhood as beginning at conception, there's nothing that supports that view in the Torah.
It's understood that the soul enters the body at birth. Generally you shouldn't harm a fetus, but abortions are permitted. Because they're not a person until the second they're born.
This is why I hate it when people say "judeo-christian values." It's always goys saying that who have no clue what Jewish values actually are (hint: they're much closer to what Jesus believed 2000 years ago, because he was a Jew)
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lilshortyy420May 1, 2026
+14
I met a guy who became a good friend and is Jewish. I’ve learned a lot and was very surprised to hear how “liberal” they are. Now obviously there’s complexities…. But I’ve learned a lot
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Tzahi12345May 1, 2026
+15
Here's a poll for example on abortion specifically, about as many Jews are pro choice as agnostic/atheists: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/22/american-religious-groups-vary-widely-in-their-views-of-abortion/
My parents are fairly religious and are still pro gay & trans rights. My mom in particular is conservative and Zionist yet despises Trump.
She'd vote for most other Republicans though. Now consider that 80% of Jews are more liberal than she is! I've rarely come across homophobic Jews. I can count on one hand and I've grown up basically only around Jews.
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blifflesplickMay 1, 2026
+42
Mmm its a bit mean, but fun, to get anti-abortionist nationalist Christians™️ to read the passage about Bitter Water and then ask them what they think it does
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hirudoredoMay 1, 2026
+35
They suddenly pull out the "Jesus nullified the old testament tho <3" shit when they won't apply that to ANYTHING else.
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EfficientTourist7480May 1, 2026
+6
A lot of them are high on their own farts
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BranchomaniaMay 1, 2026
+76
Isn’t it crazy that the nut bar Christians love the Old Testament so much? Yknow the, Jewish testament
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gord_mMay 1, 2026
+66
And yet many of them don't seem so fond of Jewish people. Go figure.
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C-n0teMay 1, 2026
+18
It's not that they aren't fond of them... They need them and Israel to exist for their end times prophecy which also says that the jews will renounce their faith to accept the Christian God.
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NothaBangaMay 1, 2026
+7
Technically Jesus would have been pro choice as he was Jewish.
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almondanpeanutbutterMay 1, 2026
+8
100% bullshit at that. Life begains when that baby takes its first breath outside of the mothers womb.
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philovaxMay 1, 2026
+6
The Canaanites actually were the OG. Then the Greeks and Phoenicians stirred up the region with the Romans, a dash of Zoroastrian and yatta yatta ya, you got a Pope
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Imp0ssibleBagelMay 1, 2026
+7
Christians aren't going to care about this. They see Jews as heretical sinners destined for hell.
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crodr014May 2, 2026
+1
How come ben shapiro says jews are not real jews unless they say the same as him? Him and kirk both used thier religion as basis for abortion.
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TransCapybaraMay 1, 2026
+23
Now apply that to Citizens United.
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Modern_BearMay 1, 2026
+33
>While Edwards partially ruled in Kalb’s favor, he discarded the religious freedom argument, saying the law applies to people of all religions equally.
>Edwards wrote that the state’s near-total abortion ban “is a religiously neutral, general burden upon virtually any Kentuckian of faith seeking to participate in IVF.”
>In his order in favor of the plaintiff, Edwards wrote that Kentucky’s abortion ban statutes had “conflicting and intertwined definitions” for human being, fetus, and unborn child, which made their scope vague and unintelligible.
>“Because of the myriad of definitions regarding the definition of ‘human being’ and under what circumstances an individual can be held civilly liable or criminally culpable for terminating the life of a ‘human being,’ this Court can no longer dismiss the concerns raised by Plaintiff Kalb regarding how she and others should interpret what they can and cannot lawfully do in order to avoid possible incarceration and criminal prosecution,” Edwards wrote.
>The judge added that “this conundrum can and should be resolved” by the General Assembly providing more clarity under the statutes.
This seems like a temporary victory because the state legislature can just go back and amend existing laws to define human being the same in all the laws, as starting at conception. Then people looking to strike down these laws will be back to square one.
On top of that...
>During the Kentucky General Assembly session that concluded in mid-April, Republican lawmakers filed at least two bills that would have allowed a woman to be charged with homicide in the death of an “unborn child” or “fetal homicide.”
So things could get even worse once the legislature gets it act together.
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nadandocomgolfinhosMay 1, 2026
+14
So they’ll issue birth certificates for fetuses at conception?
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Ok_Day5132May 1, 2026
+81
Everyone say thank you Jewish women
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Former_Lock9367May 1, 2026
+8
Definitely hoping she is safe.
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TheSavouryRainMay 1, 2026
+30
> While Edwards partially ruled in Kalb’s favor, he discarded the religious freedom argument, saying the law applies to people of all religions equally.
> Edwards wrote that the state’s near-total abortion ban “is a religiously neutral, general burden upon virtually any Kentuckian of faith seeking to participate in IVF.”
That's not religious freedom you numpty
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network_dudeMay 1, 2026
+30
Religious freedom to a Christian means being able to impose your beliefs on others.
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nadandocomgolfinhosMay 1, 2026
+8
Ah, laws for thee but not for me
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Sensitive-Option-701May 2, 2026
+8
> Edwards wrote that the state’s near-total abortion ban “is a religiously neutral, general burden upon **virtually any Kentuckian of faith** seeking to participate in IVF.”
So then, it's not a burden on atheists and agnostics? What about Satanists?
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PIE-314May 2, 2026
+8
It wouldn't matter anyway. No human has the right to anothers body.
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ExcelsiorUnltdMay 2, 2026
+22
How about we stop letting religion dictate how healthcare works
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peon47May 2, 2026
+13
"Conception" isn't even one thing. Fertilization and Implantation are two different steps that can be a week or more apart.
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JiveChicken00May 2, 2026
+6
I believe Shakespeare called this being hoist by one’s own petard.
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JohnnyD423May 1, 2026
+24
I'm fine with defining it as a life so long as we permanently enshrine a mother's right to end that life up to a certain point. Or just leave it open ended for fun.
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NothaBangaMay 1, 2026
+26
All abortions are self defense. Every pregnancy permanently damages a host body and can potentially kill the pregnant person.
If the government can't force a citizen to house a member of the military in their home against my consent, the government should not be able to dictate someone gets to live in my womb without my consent.
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Worldly_Anybody_9219May 2, 2026
+16
Jews and Muslims typically have more reasonable takes on abortion, and some branches of Christianity. It's the Catholic Church and Evangelicals that are the anti-abortion extremists.
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dghughesMay 2, 2026
+3
I was raised Catholic and my experience back then is abortion wasn't even mentioned. I'm sure it's a topic discussed and there would be programs for persuading birth over abortion. Nothing like US evangelicals though they are batshit psycho.
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brainiac2482May 4, 2026
+3
Abortions are out and "uterine cleansing" is in! Make those pretend christians spend money in court trying to prove which discarded cells might one day have been a person.
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LibinkyMay 2, 2026
+2
Thank you LPM for reporting on this important issue!
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SubstantialPressure3May 1, 2026
+2
I'm shocked that this happened in Kentucky, but I'll take it.
Maybe it's just that the judge hasn't seen all the ramifications of the decision, idk.
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FizzlePopBerryTwistMay 1, 2026
+2
Could be an elephant. Hard to tell at that stage.
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Negative-Teacher34326 days ago
+1
We as Americans need to come together for mid-terms and vote BLUE up and down the ticket. Do not dilute the vote by voting independent or for another republican. We need to rid this country of all vile magas in congress and make sure these people never ever have any levers of power again. There is so much work to do be done to correct all that has transpired with this administration and with the supreme court. Let us all come together to save our democracy.
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