KLM flight attendant tests negative for Hanta virus

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> 5 others had close contact with woman Not quite yet.

Agreed. Amidst all this “news”, the two things missing are scientifically confirmed examples of human to human transmission, and a confirmation that the cruise ship itself wasn’t ingest with rats to begin with. The cruise line has been oddly quiet in all this, but jeez why did we jump to human to human so quickly ? Rats get on ships and in close quarters, the virus can get to humans very easily.

Damn! I just started isolating! Now I'm going to have to socialise again

Toilet paper stocks are IN THE SHITTER this morning!

Sell or buy? Did the oanic start or not yet? Meh

Super stressful for all of us!

Ah yes, just like my army medical officers.

Still better than the American doctors: "It's nothing, here is paracetamol, that will be $2,322"

Hold your horse there. Paracetamol? They're still breathing. it will be: rest and hydrate

What are you gonna do against a virus. Most viruses dont have any drug that can kill them at all. Its your immunesystem that kills it in the end. With a few very important exceptions like HIV we cant do anything against viruses. So painkiller and rest ist the only thing a doctor can do

Ugh. Flashbacks to borderline sepsis.

Lmaooo I got a box of that after landing in Norway. Best headache medicine ever. Felt like a new man after that super Tylenol

"Trust the science" amirite. It's a well-known and understood pathogen and experts reiterate "this isn't cause for panic and it's acting how we expect" but media will push whatever generates clicks and thus revenue. I very vividly remember the inverse during COVID how headlines dictated (late 2019) Wuhan had "Draconian lockdowns" and "Human rights concerns" because as a novel virus (contrast to this) they tried to stem transmission.

Well, this kind of scare happens all the time. Remember Ebola and Zika? But after covid of course people are a little twitchy

The 2018 outbreak of the Andes Virus supports arguments that a pandemic is very unlikely to occur as the window for transmission is Day 1 (same day a person starts to display symptoms) But prior clickbait news titles makes it sounds like this virus is extremely contagious. The risk of transmission is just extremely low even as a person displays symptoms. Now one day 1 the risk if transmission is very high according to the 2018 outbreak as the index patient (who started displaying symptoms) went to a party and infected 6 people, 1 person got infected as he passed the index after a small greeting leaving the restroom) but after day 1 the risk falls dramatically, unlike covid which can keep the risk of transmission high for a week and spread asymptomatically (This andes strain has no evidence of spreading such way) Edit: the window for *highest* transmission is Day 1 Another Edit: It does have a chance of spreading asymptomatically but it’s very unlikely* but some reports say the day before and the day symptoms start is the window.

News stories emphasized the worst by saying she was hospitalized I think. When in reality hospitalization was likely out of an abundance of caution, both in case she got very ill very quickly they could help her sooner, plus contain exposure to others in the event it turned out to be hantavirus. Otherwise, a person well enough to be working as a flight attendant suddenly being hospitalized would cause people even subconsciously to think she deteriorated very quickly.

Considering our entire planet endured a pandemic that occurred less than 7 years ago, I can completely understand why many people became concerned about something like this - me included. It is a concerning cluster, and we all learned as a planet how quickly things can change day-to-day with this stuff. There is a difference between being a doomer and being someone who has more knowledge than before on how chaotic situations can get. Sure, the flight attendant was unlikely to be positive, but with all the context of a highly symptomatic infected person traveled on 1 flight, walked through an international airport, and boarded another flight, to be escorted off and collapse in the airport… and die the next day… I think it’s been fair to be reasonably concerned until the data came back. Being a doomer doesn’t help. But also pretending everything is going to be okay isn’t helpful either when we all just went through a recent historical experience that clearly tells us things aren’t okay when shit hits the fan. Thankfully, the data came back. The flight attendant doesn’t have Hantavirus. The ship itself has been managed relatively well by both its crew and the visiting medical staff. The tracing is well under way. Now those concerned should be able to air a sigh of relief, and we should be grateful this is going fairly smoothly considering the times we live. Will this comment slow down people who like to judge others in general for having entirely human reactions to world events? Probably not.

this is the expected, but still reassuring, news. some people were primed for it to go the other way, for sure.

She was quarantined because she was symptomatic. Until more time passes, it could be a false negative. A sick man who was originally being treated in South Africa tested negative on April 24th, but remained under observation, testing positive on May 2nd. That’s a 10 day window from symptom onset to positive test results. Britain, Spain, and Singapore all have secondary symptomatic contact cases under the same observation. With one Canadian and two New Jersey residents pending secondary contact outcomes as well. It does seem that the virus needs to be highly active in the body before a positive test comes back, which isn’t too far off from how Covid testing originally worked. Edit: I think the shittiest part about this whole thing is the time. It will be days or weeks without new cases popping up. News will die off. Every time there’s a new case, it’ll be this all over again. Once we start seeing positive secondary cases from air travel, especially in a city, it’s likely a done deal.

I remember all the people who had this exact attitude to dismiss the COVID pandemic.

Also worth noting that the early symptoms are pretty much just generic “flu-like symptoms,” so somebody with a cold who happened to be near an infected person can trigger the alarm of “person comes down with symptoms consistent with hantavirus after exposure to patient.” It’s not like there’s a rare, distinctive hallmark symptom like bleeding out of your eyes that serves as a dead giveaway. Obviously, we need to quarantine and screen the hell out of anyone falling ill after being around these patients, but the odds generally favor it being an unrelated common illness.

I assume they did a proper blood test, unlike a quick PCR

Compared to the 2018 outbreak, the virus was detected weeks prior to the onset of symptoms, but this test just clears that the infection she is battling isn’t from Andes.

My question, too.

I think there is more modern testing, as there is blood test now. This differs from the 2018 outbreak

It shows up on blood test before symptom onset, i.e. antibody test.

I believe the head of the WHO said they would keep monitoring them and retest them down the line.

They did a blood test and currently the flight attendant is testing negative for any sign of the virus. Normally if you had contracted it but were asymptomatic you would still test positive on the blood test. Theoretically it could change but the likelihood I believe is low and the likelihood of this being a false negative is very very low.

Where was that ever reported?? No news I saw ever said that. Just that she was ill.

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