A few years ago that would be a valid deal. Russia successfully tricked the world for a very long time.
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StreetGe1ngsta3 days ago
+6
cuz legacy of USSR has not yet been completely destroyed. I mean foreign intelligence and blackmail
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ithinkitslupis3 days ago
+1
As long as there is actual oversight that it happens I don't see a real problem with it? Russia already has its own uranium sources, has enriched uranium, has the capability to enrich more, has nuclear weapons...it'd basically be a return to JCPOA that Trump left for idiotic reasons.
If the US wants to go further than JCPOA it doesn't really matter that this Uranium goes to Russia, they should just also focus on a deal dismantling and barring Iran from enrichment capabilities going forward.
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redredgreengreen13 days ago
+6
Untill a dirty bomb goes off and the analysis indicates the material came from Iran, and public response gets split between blaming Iran and blaming Russia. The fuckery Russia can get up to with deniable uranium stock is no bueno.
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ithinkitslupis3 days ago
+6
Russia has already received uranium enriched at Iranian facilities under JCPOA. Iran also receives its uranium that it further enriches from Russia in the first place. So this is already reality.
With oversight moving the stockpiles to Russia and only supplying Iran with what they actually need for civilian power plants - less uranium in Iran means less chance this would happen because it would be easier to trace to Russia and less likely that Iran has opportunity to do it with no (or extremely little) unaccounted uranium. Besides the fact that uranium isn't really great for dirty bombs.
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mlorusso43 days ago
+1
Ya the simplest way to do it is inspect Russian ships before they enter the Persian gulf to make sure they’re empty, then inspect them again when they leave to get a detailed measurement of how much Iranian uranium they have on them. It’s my understanding that we know almost exactly how much enriched uranium Iran has, so it’s just a matter of keeping track of how much is taken out
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Heavy_Secret_2033 days ago
+1
International oversight in russia now? They aren't a reliable partner to deal with.
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ithinkitslupis3 days ago
+2
It really only needs oversight that it leaves Iran and gets to Russia. Again Russia already has their own sources of uranium and enrichment infrastructure so that ship has sailed.
I don't understand which part you think relies on blind trust of Russia to ensure the positive outcome of Iran no longer having access to uranium above the small, lower enriched amount required to operate their current 1 nuclear power plant and 2 additional planned sometime in the future.
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internetdeadaf3 days ago
-1
Vin vin, da?
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BigCountry11823 days ago
+52
France, I think, would make the most sense to supply fuel, receive spent fuel for a UN (security council) regulated civilian Iranian nuclear program
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Ainene3 days ago
-9
French aircraft and troops are effectively in a fight against Iran. This is going to be an obvious no, France would have to win for these conditions.
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Historical_Owl_16353 days ago
+30
Genuine question, once you already have enough nukes for world destruction, what’s the point of even more uranium and nukes?
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RaymondBeaumont3 days ago
+35
Enriching uranium is expensive and time consuming. You need to keep those nukes up to date.
Also, my bet is that Russia doesn't have half the nukes they claim they have.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had 10%.
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therealhairykrishna3 days ago
+6
So what happened to all the other ones?
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RaymondBeaumont3 days ago
+29
expired.
atomic bombs need upkeep and a tiny variation in mass can change the expected critical mass results. although uranium-235 and plutonium are "relatively" stable, they will decay enough over the decades to cause issues.
the hydrogen bombs are a whole lot worse, because they include the pesky atomic bombs and tridium, which has the half-life of only 12 years.
now, can these be kept up to date? of course.
do i believe that the USSR was doing that while spending all the money on chernobyl? no.
do i believe that 90s russia was doing that while being ripped apart by oligarch enriching themselves? no.
do i believe that 21st century russia was doing that with putin in charge? no.
why? because nobody ACTUALLY knows anything about russia's nuclear capacities.
when they allowed foreign investigators to check on them, they only saw "things that they say are nuclear bombs."
we see what state the russian army was in. it was believed to be the second most powerful army in the world. they are now in year four of a war with ukraine.
putin likes to act tough, but he isn't spending money on things like upkeep when he can send it to his private bank account, and, in reality, there is little difference between a real nuclear bomb and a fake one if everyone believes they are real.
only the most dementia ridden psychopath would actually use them, and say what you will about putin, but he isn't that crazy.
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dotBombAU3 days ago
+11
>putin likes to act tough, but he isn't spending money on things like upkeep when he can send it to his private bank account
This is the only part ill disagree with. All the evidence points to him thinking he had this rad 1337 army. But as you say the corruption he brought means that all the yes men around him siphoned the money to their own accounts. Putin probably believes his nukes are all fine and dandy but if you open one up its a case filled with sand.
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RaymondBeaumont3 days ago
+8
sure, i can agree with that.
i once met a man from russia and asked him about his life there (he had moved to slovenia at the time) and he said he worked on road management. i don't know what it's called, but the people who put new asphalt down.
anyway, he explained how he only worked on a few roads the decade he worked there, because the quality of asphalt used was the cheapest you could find and didn't last one winter. so every two years new shitty asphalt was laid.
i was confused on how that makes sense, but he explained how it was all by design. the company was paid by the government body that managed the roads, then paid the government agents their share. they could repeat that every two years since the roads need to be fixed. everybody made money, except for the people who actually had to drive those roads.
the corruption goes all the way down to the lowest government agent.
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dotBombAU3 days ago
+3
Man....
Sad. That's actually a business model. Like, normal, expected and no one can survive without it.
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grenadesonfire23 days ago
+2
Also, us has the payload seperate from the minutemen/delivery system. To my knowledge (as a rando on the internet) russia builds them all in one, so upkeeping them is generally harder.
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st_Paulus3 days ago
+2
>do i believe that 21st century russia was doing that with putin in charge? no.
>why? because nobody ACTUALLY knows anything about russia's nuclear capacities.
There was a thing called START. Both Russia and US were subjects of mutual inspections not that long ago. Both were quite interested in keeping the other in check. Guaranteed mutual destruction, disarming first strike abilities and all that.
And don't forget the other (less legal) ways to get the Intel.
Your hunch (and mine) is hardly a reliable analytics tool I'm afraid.
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HankDerb3 days ago
+1
Ive been saying exactly this for a while!
Makes even more sense when you look at the numbers, we spend 50-60 billion a year maintaining and upgrading our nuclear arsenal, while Russia just upped their entire military budget to 150 billion a year.
Do we honestly think they are spending even remotely close to 1/3 of their overall budget on nuclear maintenance? F*** no.
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RaymondBeaumont3 days ago
+1
Exactly. I imagine most of their bombs are real shiny and grand looking but if you tried to actually use most of them, it would have the same result as when Sideshow Bob stole and tried to use a nuclear bomb from the 50s.
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[deleted]3 days ago
+8
Degradation of fissile material tends to involve the fissile material undergoing toxic slow fission. The process will slowly turn each kilogram of uranium into other, far less fissile elements, most with increasing toxicity. After a certain point, the warhead won't detonate when triggered due to insufficient critical mass. Wait too long, the warhead will simply become too radioactive to fix, and risks exploding all on its own from meltdown (really only applicable to specific warheads as they degrade).
In real life, the process typically involves manually disassembling the nuclear material and either storing it with other nuclear waste or recycling / re-refining. Long before any of the above dangers occur.
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therealhairykrishna3 days ago
+1
Slow fusion?
You should probably tell the US. They last manufactured a new nuclear weapon pit around 35 years ago.
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[deleted]3 days ago
+1
Damnit, knew I'd f*** up fusion/fission somewhere
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66stang3513 days ago
+1
They need to be maintained.
They're very expensive to maintain.
And we're talking about a country whose army has been documented riding donkeys as they invade their next door neighbor
Even if they've been maintained comparable to the rest of Russia's military hardware, that would still indicate a lot of duds
And in all likelihood, investment went into things more immediately useful once the war started. Meaning nuke maintenance may actually lag behind that already low standard
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Araminal3 days ago
+6
> And we're talking about a country whose army has been documented riding donkeys as they invade their next door neighbor
And stealing washing machines during the early days of the invasion, don't forget that.
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Briggie3 days ago
+5
Think US spends around 60 billion dollars maintaining their nuclear warheads they have now. Doubt Russia is spending that much lol.
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WaffleHouseGladiator3 days ago
+1
If their nuke program has been maintained as well as the rest of their military I have serious doubts about the serviceability of their launch vehicles. Then again, they only need a few successful strikes to cause chaos. Best not to downplay their capabilities IMO.
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GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS3 days ago
+3
More = better
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InterviewNo35383 days ago
+2
You only need a few thousand warheads to end the world.
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thenelil3 days ago
+2
Nukes are expensive to maintain because half life and stuff, but if you can get some c**** or already enriched uranium, if you could build/maintain a nuke easier. So I said they want it so they can enrich even farther so they can maintain their stock pile for cheaper
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CoughRock3 days ago
+2
to prevent other from having the same capability
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DemosthenesOrNah3 days ago
+2
the enriched uranium is the solution to the energy crisis in iran.
nuclear power is possible with unenriched uranium (see Canada) but the byproduct is plutonium..
the ideal situation for Iran is to allow enrichment to a small extent with monitoring and outright banning unenriched uranium power generation (and subsequent plutonium creation as a byproduct...)
the whole "zero enrichment" thing is so unscientific and backwards
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BlackEagleActual2 days ago
+1
This thing itself could be as expensive as good, could be used to make nukes, converted to nuclear fuel for power plants etc, a lots of nation will pay huge cash to buy them, even for peaceful usage.
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andruszko3 days ago
+2
It makes trump look weak if he lets Russia take nukes. Democrats can say "trump gave Russia nukes!" and have an even better chance at winning the house/Senate, hobbling Trump's administration to an extent.
That's the only real benefit
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Plaineswalker3 days ago
+1
That doesn't really make sense. Russia already has the most nuclear weapons of any other country.
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andruszko3 days ago
+2
Logic has no place in politics. Most people are too stupid to read past a headline, and politicians (and journalists) know this.
So the story would be spun that trump gave Russia nukes, and some dumber people would eat it up.
So you're right, it doesn't make sense that people are too stupid to comprehend that...however it's still a useful political point nonetheless.
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BaronGreywatch3 days ago
+3
Hahaha to be fair that sounds like Russia was taking the piss.
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Low-Temperature-69623 days ago
+5
Trump should take this face saving opportunity on the chance Iran agrees. There isn't much in the way of alternative off ramps.
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ThirdSunRising3 days ago
+3
Next proposal: North Korea
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DaySecure76423 days ago
+3
Russia and China (also N Korea) are very likely the countries have been providing the equipment for the Iranian nuclear programs. Can't trust any of them.
Perhaps France and the UK will be much better caretakers of the materials, if Iran finds giving the materials to the US too embarrassing.
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Topsyye3 days ago
+3
The Krasnov crowd of Listnook silent on this one.
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brendhano3 days ago
+1
MMW: This is exactly whats going to end up happening when no one is looking.
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MikeSteamer3 days ago
+1
They can’t - it’s already in China or North Korea
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suburbanoutrage3 days ago
+1
Honestly, Russia can have whatever it wants already. May as well let them have Iran’s shit
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dawgblogit3 days ago
+1
Switzerland should get it.
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Elbit_Curt_Sedni3 days ago
-6
Right, because Trump wants to steal it.
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lnth13 days ago
+6
But listnook told me Trump is a Russian asset
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Elbit_Curt_Sedni3 days ago
+5
I don't think Trump is a Russian asset, but I do think he has ties to Russia via business ventures that creates a conflict of interest as the President. Even his son Eric bragged about these.
Btw, a good research topic is on why Trump had to get foreign loans and why US banks wouldn't lend to him for decades.
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rich84easy3 days ago
-2
Go outside and have some fresh air.
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Elbit_Curt_Sedni3 days ago
I'd bet everything I have that this admin is embezzling billions.
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Plaineswalker3 days ago
This seems like a good idea if Iran would agree to it. Also if Iran wants nuclear fuel to build reactors maybe Russia could swap reactor fuel for Iran's weapons grade material. Win-win.
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Budget_Success_763 days ago
Ein solcher Schritt würde den ultimativen geopolitischen Befreiungsschlag darstellen und die Strategien der USA sowie Israels mit einem Schlag neutralisieren, sofern Russland und der Iran diesen Plan noch vor Ablauf der Waffenruhe am 22. April verkünden. Dieser Akt strategischer Brillanz würde zunächst die nukleare Bedrohung als reine Konstruktion entlarven, da mit der Übergabe des Urans die gesamte Argumentationsgrundlage für weitere Aggressionen zusammenbrechen würde und jeder verbleibende Angriff als nackter Machtkampf um Rohstoffe sichtbar wäre. Gleichzeitig würde dieses Vorgehen die eurasische Platte als funktionierenden, vernünftigen Organismus präsentieren, in dem Russland die Sicherheit garantiert, der Iran für Frieden und wirtschaftliche Integration auf Druckmittel verzichtet und China die Entwicklung flankiert, wodurch die Einflussnahme der USA logisch ausmanövriert würde. Schließlich böte diese Entwicklung Europa den perfekten Anlass, sich von bestehenden Zwängen und Sanktionen zu lösen, da die Lösung des Kernproblems den Weg für eine erneute Kooperation mit dem eurasischen Raum ebnen würde.
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GuyD4273 days ago
Trump is not going to just settle this. Hegseth and Trump need this crusade. They really think they are GOAT’s and they’ll win.
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