And 2 days ago: https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/kuwait-power-desalination-plant-damaged-in-attack-3217401?s=1
> Kuwait power, desalination plant damaged in attack
It's hard to be optimistic about a de-escalation of the war in the coming days.
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therealbman5 days ago
+92
They dropped bombs on the guy leading back channel negotiations with Pakistan. Killed his wife in the attack. Kamal Kharazi is his name. Back in mid march they killed Ali Larijani, a lead nuclear negotiator considered pragmatic. Also in March was Ali Shamkhani. He was the lead negotiator for the 2023 normalization agreement with Saudi Arabia. They killed Khamenei at a meeting with senior leadership where the topic was finalization of their negotiations response.
Actions show they have no desire to de-escalate. Quite the opposite actually.
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Sens1r5 days ago
+9
Larijani was far from pragmatic. No need to rewrite history.
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methpartysupplies5 days ago
+11
Man I’m normally h******* USA but I can’t even blame them for not trusting us. The West has never seen a back they didn’t want to stab in that country
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freeman_joe5 days ago
+11
I hope you will be h******* for truth facts and what is good for humanity.
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IntelArtiGen5 days ago
+10
> Back in mid march they killed Ali Larijani, a lead nuclear negotiator considered pragmatic
I'm not sure I would call him "pragmatic" if he was responsible for the crackdown of protests in January.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Larijani#2026_suppression_of_protests
> Although often characterized as a "pragmatic conservative" in foreign policy, Larijani adopted a hardline domestic stance, reportedly modeling the regime's security response on the "Tiananmen Square" method of overwhelming force
> Larijani was among the first senior officials to publicly advocate for the use of lethal force against demonstrators, labeling them "armed terrorist networks."
> Human rights organizations reported that the SNSC, under Larijani's coordination, authorized the use of military-grade weaponry and live ammunition, leading to the deadliest wave of repression in the history of the Islamic Republic
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> They killed Khamenei at a meeting with senior leadership where the topic was finalization of their negotiations response. Actions show they have no desire to de-escalate.
Well they started a war so obviously it escalated, the thing is usually there is a de-escalation at some point. IDK if it's true but it seems they asked for a ceasefire which was refused so I guess now they want it to de-escalate. I understood that Iran doesn't want that, but at some point a de-escalation will be needed anyway. Whether it's in 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, 1 year etc. the sooner the better for everyone, clearly. I think it's the same thing in all wars, otherwise the goal is just to continue them forever.
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earthmann5 days ago
+1
Pragmatic is incompatible with cracking down on protests?
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Original-Fish-68615 days ago
+1
Israel is doing the equivalent of Quint smashing the radio in Jaws.
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AntiTrollSquad5 days ago
+65
Iran has >90m population. Societal collapsed would be catastrophic for the entire of Eurasia. They ripple effects would be felt over generations.
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SuperRockyHobbyHorse5 days ago
+55
It's quite scary because if Trump and the Americans do actually commit the war crime of the century on Tuesday and cause full societal collapse for 90m people, then it's quite possible the remnants of the IRGC will destroy all the desalination plants on the Gulf coast (and maybe they will be able to reach Israel's). That's 100m+ people (including the migrant workers) who in the space of a month will find themselves in the middle of the desert with no water. All those people are going to head for Egypt, Iraq and mostly Turkey to try and get into Europe. All for no good reason other than Trump's schizo boomerism.
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acityonthemoon5 days ago
+43
It's *Conservatism* that's doing this, being old doesn't have anything to do with it.
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Background_Cycle29855 days ago
+6
no. it's only partly capitalism and the oil companies. DO NOT lose sight of who this is for! it is only for ISRAEL.
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ArchAngel6215 days ago
+10
The classic, “If I can’t win then I can make sure everyone else loses”.
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teddybrr5 days ago
+3
They fired everyone against whatever happens next.
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piernut5 days ago
+2
Urgh, maybe that is part of his 4D chess play. Create a mass migration of millions of people and cripple Europe
I doubt he has the capacity to think that far ahead, but I am sure MAGA fans would love that to happen.
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binzoma5 days ago
+2
I mean they would destroy all of that
theyd also unleash the sleeper cells. i heavily doubt the us is prepared to deal with a 2nd intifada type situation at home....
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Most-Round-41325 days ago
-17
so would allowing them to continue attacking desalination plants
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BigFish85 days ago
+36
Were they attacking desalination plants a few months ago?
This could have all been averted if Israel and USA didn't attack Iran.
Doesn't change the fact that desalination plants shouldn't be attacked right now.
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xxInsanex5 days ago
-3
Iran has been aiding and funding terrorist organisations against Israel for years....plz stop making them out to be innocent in all this
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draagishaydento4 days ago
+1
Usa and isreal has been aiding and funding terrost oganisations against iran for years.... plz stop making them out to be innocent in all this
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Capable_Kiwi25145 days ago
+19
It's almost as though the aggressor nations should pursue de-escalation.
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Most-Round-41325 days ago
-11
Appease the #1 exporter of terrorism trying to get a nuke so they can be 5x more destabilizing than n Korea? No thanks
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no_kids-and-3_money5 days ago
+8
You may be the most fully indoctrinated person of all time.
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MrWaffler5 days ago
+22
Maybe someone should stop provoking them into doing that. These sites weren't being bombed until Iran's were.
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Most-Round-41325 days ago
-10
Iran should stop funding terror proxies across the region then diplomacy can be given a chance
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MrWaffler5 days ago
+8
The US should do the same and being in a dominant position should be the ones to lead by example, diplomacy had been on the table until it was removed by the US administration. Many of the recent demands by tweet are for the things we had a prior agreement for, an agreement created by the same admin no less.
This rhetoric stopped fooling people before Vietnam and it fools fewer each day.
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habshabshabs5 days ago
+26
Ah yes the Gaza strategy, super effective.
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Most-Round-41325 days ago
-12
turns out raiding musical festivals and raping,kidnaping, and murdering kids isnt an effective war strategy, us munitions and arms seem to be more productive
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Gerf935 days ago
+13
Yes, because Israeli force in Gaza since 1946 has been a great success leading to less tensions and violence in the region. Both are terrible war strategies, as neither lead to resolution or a lasting peace. Just more resentment and hate.
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Most-Round-41325 days ago
+1
Israel seems to be doing quite alright
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Gerf935 days ago
+7
Yes, I’m sure their latest exploits in Gaza have solved the conflict for good and that there is now peace in the Middle East. No more conflict between Palestinians and Israelis.
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ZuAusHierDa5 days ago
-8
There are no more attacks comming out of Gaza.
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IntelArtiGen5 days ago
+2
Well I clearly hope it won't happen, but I also think it's the most likely outcome. But not by far, like they are negotiating I think, and they still haven't destroyed everything while they could have done it Day 1. It's maybe 60/40 things will go the wrong way. It has already started a bit.
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chotchss5 days ago
+2
President Trump doing whatever is necessary to transition the world to clean energy! /s
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angrybobs5 days ago
+359
I love 10 dollar gas, higher prices of goods, and my tax dollars going to cause all of this!
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old_righty5 days ago
+106
Don’t forget food scarcity!
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Alt4rEg05 days ago
+53
That's for season 2, next year...
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Duideka5 days ago
+9
I'm from Australia and live in that state responsible for 90% of the countries exports of wheat, barley, canola and other cereals and grains that feeds hundreds of millions of people.
None of our farmers can get enough diesel to plant their full crop and even if they could not only has diesel doubled in price none of them can get urea to fertilize the crop and even if they could it's doubled in price so they are planting less than expected.
Keep in mind 50% of the worlds urea is made in Qatar and their urea plant just got bombed, furthermore China has banned exports of urea...
The other breadbasket is Ukraine, need I say more.
I don't really like to be alarmist but next year is gonna be interesting when harvest is due.
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Alt4rEg05 days ago
+2
Yeah, we're fucked and we dont know it yet. There's the economic equivalent of an asteroid hurtling towards us and we don't realise it...
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Duideka5 days ago
+1
Those that can afford to pay food will do alright and I am sure my government will just ban exports but the third world is absolutely screwed.
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Nebraska7165 days ago
-1
The two staples wheat and rice are basically half the price they were a few years ago. Carry over stocks of wheat are supposed to increase by 6 percent. If there was even a hint of a shortage lots of acres would move to wheat and rice but there is no indication of that happening.
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Standard-Design-46325 days ago
+11
I don't like this shitty series that the deranged fans brought back for another season.
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SunshineSeattle5 days ago
+21
Domt forget the Republicans wanna cut all the healthcare so they can bomb more.
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angrybobs5 days ago
+8
Gas shortages likely on the horizon as well I assume.
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Paraxom5 days ago
+7
Summers coming up, gas prices spike during that time as people travel... gas might be too expensive to travel which will cause the tourism industry to dry up as well
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Fancy_Exchange_98215 days ago
+3
Food scarcity in the US? That’s debatable, you should see the amount of food wasted daily here
Hint: it’s a lot
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lost_horizons5 days ago
+2
Globally. Fertilizer shortage for lower yields, higher production costs too. Plus El Niño and climate change, looks like a hot year coming.
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Fallouttgrrl5 days ago
+2
It's gonna be hot and then it'll keep getting hotter, unfortunately
We might be looking back at the late 2020s as the start of the worst of the spiral
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lost_horizons5 days ago
+2
Exactly. The most underreported part of all of this, actually maybe a driver of the growing conflicts.
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IntravenusDeMilo5 days ago
+9
Don’t be so dramatic. My gas is only $6 a gallon. That’s barely 100% more than it was a few years ago. And that’s Joe Biden’s fault anyway. Besides, the Dow was over 50,000 at one point.
How am I doing?
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Nordiszk5 days ago
+8
Lol, finally, you joined us in Europe. We've had 10 dollar gas for the last 15 years, welcome to the reason why we don't have unnecessarily giant pickup trucks and try to have our buses and trains somewhat functional in cities.
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covfefe-boy5 days ago
+7
Soo much winning, we are getting tired of the winning, Mango Unchained was right!
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Engineer95 days ago
+1
Those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump those numbers up.
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mlecz5 days ago
+1
Remember that you will have to rebuild stocks, also with your taxes
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Loffr3do5 days ago
-2
God bless the USA
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beekeeper19815 days ago
+16
Or to directly quote Trump "Praise be to Allah".
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Cautious_Goose_55685 days ago
+200
Just shows Iran doesn't trust any US deadlines
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OldBarnAcke5 days ago
+17
Hard to trust when you’ve been attacked twice during negotiations
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Cautious_Goose_55685 days ago
+4
That's what I meant. Iran expects US to attack way before the deadline.
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pcurve5 days ago
+25
Iran may not want to overplay their hands though. Trump is too erratic.
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Sargatanas2k25 days ago
+54
I hope it never happens but I am genuinely awaiting the nuke threats from Trump. Wouldn't put it past his lunacy to do it either.
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Basic_Yam_7155 days ago
+19
It would certainly cement his legacy.
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tonycomputerguy5 days ago
+27
You know he'd have to drop at least 3.
"I nuked the most. No other president nuked more than me. Other presidents called me and, with tears in their eyes, said "I wish I could have nuked as much as you" and they were big nukes too, some say the biggest there will ever be and I used them, I said, give me the biggest nukes you've got and they said 'yes sir, God bless you sir, would you sign the little code card I had to break open to annihilate millions of human lives, and I said "Where's my sharpie?" And then we all had McDonald's..."
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Basic_Yam_7155 days ago
+5
100% could hear it coming out of his mouth... they all have such a hard on for looking butch. Nukes would be the butchest of the butch in their sick minds
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John-AtWork5 days ago
+4
F***. It's more likely to happen than not.
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natural_disaster05 days ago
+8
The way Iran state media is goading Trump right now, i wouldn't be surprised if Nukes arnt already being brought up in private meetings.
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Zelcron5 days ago
+1
Trump wanted to nuke hurricanes during his first term and create an alligator moat at the border. Of course they've talked about it, it was likely among the first options they discussed and talked him down from.
Scoop: Trump suggested nuking hurricanes to stop them from hitting U.S. https://share.google/IXt6RtjBT1TN9sawI
Opinion: Trump's gator-filled 'moat' may be the silliest of his harebrained ideas - Los Angeles Times https://share.google/nnSpGQ1ckfYMHI8hf
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habshabshabs5 days ago
+12
That erratic tendency can mean bad things for Trump and the US as well.
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ryvern825 days ago
+1
Oh, it does.
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nolok5 days ago
+7
The government of Iran is willing to kill their own citizens who disagree with them, by the thousands. They don't care about bombings.
And they probably don't worry about a ground invasion because if anything that would improve their situation. If Trump lands troops there it's going to be a disaster.
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whyuhavtobemad5 days ago
+2
what about threat of nukes?
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nolok5 days ago
+15
And what are they going to nuke? What would it change for Iran (more exactly their leadership and current command structure)
Because it would annihilate the US standing (which is already quite fucked), trigger a nuke race for every countries, but it wouldn't change anything about the state Iran is in or what they are doing.
Everything major has already been bombed except civilian infrastructure, that's why he's threatening power plant and bridges now. There is no big target to aim with a nuke, except to kill millions of civilians at once but again, no change for Iran's gov, ruinous for the US.
I'm not saying he will never do that because he's demented and seems intent on destroying the US, but the comment was about Iran not pushing it too far, which means their gov, and from their pov there is only two ends the US leave or it's a disaster until that gov is destroyed and the US is ruined. That's why they're refusing ceasefire and anything other than get out.
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SuperRockyHobbyHorse5 days ago
-4
Bombing the power stations is the equivalent of dropping nukes. It's actually even worse because it destroys the whole of society at once and by a cascade of hungry, thirsty, desperate people destroying themselves from within. Probably kinder just to drop the nukes and put people out of their misery than starving them to death over days and weeks.
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ZuAusHierDa5 days ago
+10
I don’t think you fully understand what nukes actually do.
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Kind_Silver_19215 days ago
-2
US could tactical nuke all of Iranian missile cities to prevent them from being dug up or repaired, itd eliminate their missile capability
then the US could also nuke their oil island to prevent future iranian economic strength in case theres no regime change (to prevent military spending)
and then tactical nuke all of Irans known nuclear capability to prevent future progress
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Pale-Acanthaceae-7365 days ago
+5
People still believing the 45+ year-old fearmongering narrative I see. They dust that off every 10 years or so to scare Americans into supporting more wars in the Middle East. It makes no sense that IF Iran makes a nuclear weapon that they will fanatically drop it on Tel Aviv, guaranteeing national suicide and millions of Iranian deaths as a result of the response that would follow. Not to mention the many more deaths caused by radioactive fallout as the winds carry it onto other Middle Eastern countries populated by Muslims. Iran's theocratic leadership is many things, but stupid isn't one of them. Iran is a nation of 90+ million people.
"Let's just nuke 'em." Yeah that's a statement coming from someone who's seen too many Hollywood movies.
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nolok5 days ago
+1
This makes no sense. The first two would serve no purpose that they couldn't do with conventional bombs. In fact they already did the first, what's left is small assets spread out all over. And they don't do the second one because they want to seize it they even said it out loud. And the third one is underground, a nuke wouldn't do anything you need a deep bunker buster and they already did that last summer.
And that's not even talking about the fact that if they do that, Kiev is nuked within the hour.
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Kind_Silver_19215 days ago
-1
Why would the US care if Kiev is nuked? It's not a US ally your threats only work on Europeans pal
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tms2x24 days ago
+1
Theirs supposed to be more than 200 missile sites in Iran. If Iran gets nuked there are people saying it would take 10 days for Iran to build nukes.
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teckers5 days ago
+4
That would bring Europe to side against the US, cement America as the bad guys. Cause sell off of US bonds in protest, spike the price in oil at the same time as collapse the USD so plunge America into domestic crisis. Maybe.
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Pale-Acanthaceae-7365 days ago
+1
The order to drop even a tactical nuke won't happen because the second Donald does it will be refused and he will be arrested for attempted crimes against humanity and removed from office on the spot.
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Cautious_Goose_55685 days ago
+2
They will open it after there is no oil to flow through it
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PerformerLess23825 days ago
-2
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YearlyLemon85 days ago
+34
Well I guess any of my economic ambitions or just trying to save money in general are now just thrown out the window. I wonder how high fuel prices will go and everything it will effect from food to energy and Production?
And all this caused by two men that will not experience the same reality we will live in and will gladly send young people to die in a war that should never had happened. Really sucks. Hopefully in 2026 there is a large realignment midterm elections where Trump and those boot licking GOP lose not just the house but the Senate due to this royal f*** up.
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Infinite_Society77925 days ago
+119
With each passing day we are more and more fucked due to the stupidity of the US government.
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SirRobyC5 days ago
+29
Stupidity of the US citizens*
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IntravenusDeMilo5 days ago
+23
Almost 40% of US adults approve of Trump based on the most recent polls. It’s absolutely staggering that he is the least popular US president of all time, and also that nearly 40% think he’s doing a good job.
The last 50 years since Nixon resigned led to a campaign for the rich to erode education via a propaganda campaign. It really took off when they realized that instead of doing it like a religion, they needed to join up with the most conservative religious groups in the country. And now the majority of us are complete f****** idiots.
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Checkers9235 days ago
+6
40% of likely voters. In a country where a third of the eligible population doesn’t vote.
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Nordiszk5 days ago
+4
Sadly most countries have fanatics who will never use their brains again after they decided on a party. I can see so many errors in all my country's parties too. One is almost good except it has wishful thinking and just want us to make energy from nothing like plants. The other is good, but is weighed down by the fact they need radicals to rule. The opposition is now lead by a racist party and they are all aligning more with the racism to please the largest party on their side. So yeah, world's in a great place.
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AutocraticHilarity5 days ago
+29
Whelp. Sounds like things should be all wrapped up by tomorrow…
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