Irans probable response. Choose whichever.
1) It was not us, it was Israel.
2) Israel attacked Lebanon so we attacked uh….checks notes….Kuwait.
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itsatumbleweed2 days ago
+54
I think it's "we insisted our proxies were part of the ceasefire but Israel insisted they weren't so we are going to attack with our proxies because they aren't part of the ceasefire"
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play_images2 days ago
+24
I mean they've made their point since day one, anywhere tied to U.S. operations or Gulf cooperation is fair game.
So they take out infrastructure like the military bases and oil refineries. Take out the nation guard that defends the infrastructure.
It's not random, every target is deliberate, even those that take innocent's.
It's war, no one gonna come out of this being the moral one, just a lot of blood till the man children get bored of playing with their toys
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+36
Bro iran attacked the Dubai international airport.
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play_images2 days ago
-1
Dual-use infrastructure, can be used for military
I'm telling you, every attack has a reasoning to it. Doesn't have to be a good reason, but there is a reason.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+15
The IRGC already admitted to target uae civilians in order to disrupt their economy. It has nothing to do with dual use infrastructure
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TheWizard2 days ago
-7
US and Israel have targeted civilians as well, with the President of the USA openly threatening civilian infrastructure. So, blame lies on BOTH sides, not just one.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
-8
I don’t think they did target civilians, no. Trump threatened the state’s oil assets, yes.
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TheWizard2 days ago
-6
That would be a lie.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+5
Believe what you want lol but I don’t think the US was targeting civilians in a systemic manner. Iran fires cluster ballistic munitions at cities. It’s not the same at all.
If the US and Israel were systemically targeting civilians, the war would look entirely different.
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TheWizard2 days ago
-7
It not a matter of belief. Israel has been slaughtering civilians for decades now. USA has killed civilians in this war as well. Destruction of lives, including civilians, goes both ways.
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TrynnaFindaBalance2 days ago
And? Obviously they want to inflict economic pain on their adversaries.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+1
That’s the point though right? Then the UAE is justified in using nuclear weapons against their adversaries if it causes economic pain. Or any number of measures that cause an economic depression in Iran.
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TrynnaFindaBalance2 days ago
+3
Nuclear weapons? Lol quite the leap.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+4
That was hyperbolic but targeting water and oil infrastructure may kill more people than a single nuke.
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Possible_Top48552 days ago
+1
I believe it was Israel who first started targeting desalination facilities
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ASluttyTwink2 days ago
+1
So you're against Ukraine targeting Russias oil infrastructure and Isreal targeting Iran's?
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+1
It would be like Ukraine attacking Iran’s economy because Iran and Russia are allied.
This is the equivalence of Iran attacking the uae economy who is allied to USA. It would be like Ukraine attacking the airports and power plants of Iran.
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TheWizard2 days ago
+1
Even slightest threat of nukes will justify any country's quest, much less Iran, as a green light to stock up on nukes. TBH, not having nukes, is a sign of weakness these days,
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+4
You could do more damage to Iran via water and oil attacks with conventional bombs anyway and not have the political fallout of using nukes.
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TheWizard2 days ago
Any mention of nukes will completely destroy USA and its standing. But, I'm sure you have better idea to fight Iran than those involved in it. :D
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+3
I mean, I do yes. It’s just not politically feasible lol
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TheWizard2 days ago
-1
Send a note to Trump administration and tell them you're more qualified on how to defeat Iran than they do. After all, they have not thought about oil and water infrastructure (all the while you are also crying "civilians").
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Din0zavr2 days ago
-11
It's not like Iran was attacked first. Oh wait.
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Dapper_Trifle_36782 days ago
+6
So you think it's fair game for the Gulf countries to attack Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon, seeing as these countries house Iranian forces and Iran just attacked them? Is that where we're at?
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StockCasinoMember2 days ago
+3
But you see, Israel started it. 🙄
Apparently Ukraine should be bombing a lot more countries.
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Din0zavr2 days ago
+1
If they could they should. If Ukraine had enough resources they would undoubtedly atrack Belarus too. But they cannot afford to open another front now.
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Din0zavr2 days ago
+1
When you are attacked and invaded, everything is a fair game. If Ukraine could, they would (and should) attack Belarus too. Ukraine cannot afford that though. Iran has literally no other choice. They can't attack Mainland US. The only option left is to make the US allies pay, unless they make US stop.
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Dapper_Trifle_36782 days ago
+1
So Saudi Arabia, being attacked by Iran, but unable to destroy Iran and make it stop, should attack power stations in Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon. Makes sense. Race to the bottom.
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Din0zavr2 days ago
+1
They either can make US stop their attack, since it's the cause. Or, yes, they can retaliate. It's pretty logical what is going on. Iran is saying if you attack me, I have nothing to lose, so I am going to make it very costly for you, your allies and the world. There are no moral sides in this war. US initiated an uncalled attacks, when even US sources were saying that Iran was willing to come to a deal. And Iranian regime is a murderous dictatorship. But one country
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+1
Look at what you made me do to these civilians at the airport ass comment.
I was attacked that’s why I targeted random civilians at the airport lmao
I don’t want to see your wife’s bruised face.
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Din0zavr2 days ago
+1
Isn't that what Israel was doing to Gaza? Targeting civilians is a war crime, regardless who does it. And US targeted Iranian civilian infrastructure first.
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Keeltoodeep2 days ago
+1
Not that I know of. If Israel was targeting civilians the death rate would be far higher.
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DifferentAnalyst20012 days ago
+2
Someone hits me. I’m not justified in attacking the girl next to me in an attempt to get you to stop.
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Mobile-Base73872 days ago
+1
it's more like, someone hits you, and their 7 friends are handing them beer bottles to smash you with and trying to hold your arms but claiming not to be really involved
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DifferentAnalyst20011 day ago
+1
…… how were the neighboring countries “holding Irans arms” and preventing them from fighting?
Iran has a horrible regime who just murdered thousands of people were protesting. Iran isn’t some victim: it’s a country trying to dominate the gulf
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Mobile-Base73871 day ago
+1
the analogy there would be shooting down their missiles and drones aimed at American and Israeli assets. think back to the exchanges last year where the news was boasting about how many allies had participated defensively to see how much that can be
iran's regime is awful but that's hardly unique
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play_images2 days ago
-1
Yeah and they aren't justified in punching the other girl in front of you cause she was in the way for hitting you
Yeah no shit innocents shouldn't die, but when the aggressor is KILLING children day 1 of the war, kind of takes restrictions off the table
Especially when we keep threatening war crimes for more death.
What I'm saying is don't be surprised Iran also claims innocent lives as well. That's what happens when there is this unrestricted blood shed and ignoring human life
But hey it's all justified cause a bad guy was in that hospital so who cares
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DifferentAnalyst20012 days ago
+1
…. I don’t really know what you are saying.
I’m saying if two people fight, they shouldn’t just randomly attack a 3rd party.
You’re saying it’s ok for Iran to intentionally bomb hotels, airports, etc in a country not attacking it.
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az782 days ago
It seems like the only one who believed there was a ceasefire agreement is Trump.
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MourningRIF2 days ago
-1
Maybe... But then again, I wouldn't put it past either the US or Israel to conduct a false flag. Bibi needs this war.
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virtual_adam3 days ago
+208
I don’t know how Iran is supposed to cease its fire when
* the Ukraine Russia war is ongoing
* the Sudan civil war isn’t paused
* Ethiopia and Eritrea are still fighting
* the cowboys haven’t been in the Super Bowl in 30 years
Come on people, this isn’t Irans fault, it’s everyone else’s
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AssassinInValhalla3 days ago
+98
>* the cowboys haven’t been in the Super Bowl in 30 years
And cheers to another 30
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DartVader62 days ago
+9
Hear hear!
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ashark19833 days ago
-3
Go Birds!
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AssassinInValhalla3 days ago
+9
Well maybe let's not go that far. I'm circling the wagons up in Buffalo
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ashark19833 days ago
-3
Thats fair, I can't think of a team outside the NFC East who has a better reason to hate the Cowboys. Good luck with your new coach. Shame about McDermott, I wanted to see him succeed.
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Pitiful-MobileGamer3 days ago
The fresh fans don't know the pain of the '90s, and the absolute hate for the Cowboys. Dak hasn't really been a thorn in the side of Buffalo at all during his career.
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ashark19833 days ago
+3
Or anyone's side.... wait which sublistnook are we in?
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Pitiful-MobileGamer3 days ago
Random Buffalo Legion drive by
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Automatic-Plate-89663 days ago
The Niners
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ashark19833 days ago
-1
A fair argument but the Niners have the winning record in that rivalry. I'm not sure Buffalo can say the same thing.
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Icangooglethings932 days ago
+1
Go mammals
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Calcifer-Know-it-all3 days ago
+28
Please put /s because bots are gonna start agreeing with you any minute
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comeonbjxgo3 days ago
+23
Uhh why do people treat Listnook like open mic night at their local dive bar. This place is getting worse and worse.
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MajesticCentaur3 days ago
+23
I've been on the website for nearly fifteen years and it's always been like that.
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skibum8882 days ago
+10
10 years here. It's always been like that
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MooseTots2 days ago
+2
Don’t forget, the Dow Jones is at 50000
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Redgen872 days ago
Well if we have to wait till the Cowboys get to the SB for Iran to ceasefire we are fucked.
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beginner753 days ago
-10
Oct 7 is also everyone else’s fault?
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PrestondeTipp3 days ago
+45
Iran playing a dangerous game.
Trying to mess up the other Gulf states under the shelter of a ceasefire with the US.
One missile into their oil infrastructure on Kharg Island and 90% of their oil exports are eliminated and their economy drops to bottom quartile pretty quick.
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Eleven_inc3 days ago
+29
If you think america wants to get rid of the oil infrastructure of Iran, then you're not paying attention.
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frogsRfriends2 days ago
+11
They don’t but the commenter was saying it’s akin to throwing a rock from a glass house, in this case other people don’t want to destroy the house but it is still a glass house
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FewResearcher26063 days ago
+72
As if they care. Our economy has been shit for more than a decade. Any hardship is a "trial from god" that poor people must endure while their own families live in the west.
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millerlit3 days ago
+20
It is a dangerous game for the world. If Iran retaliates for a strike on Kharg Island then their neighbors oil infrastructure will also be attacked. That is why countries should invest as much as possible in other energy sources for national security.
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Ecsta2 days ago
+6
The point is they're already attacking others oil infrastructure...
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NegotiationTall43003 days ago
+2
Theyre not gonna do that. Itll f*** up the economy further. Thats why they talk about “taking it” not bombing it
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yuje3 days ago
+1
They’re making more money from the Ayatollah booth than they previously were exporting oil at a d******* while sanctioned. Might actually be a worth trade off for them.
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mf-TOM-HANK3 days ago
>Iran playing a dangerous game
I make no apologies for the brutal Iranian regime, but I don't know what choice they have other than to make life difficult for Trump's allies in the region. Team Trump couldn't be trusted to engage in good faith diplomacy *before* the second term. They assassinated Suleimani out of the blue in 2020 after reneging on the JCPOA a couple years prior. Now they've attempted regime decapitation strikes and bombed thousands of other targets. Diplomacy is no longer on the table. The war will continue until Iran obtains a nuclear weapon or the regime is toppled
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ericporing2 days ago
+1
If US does that, they're gonna target every oil infra in the gulf. They're the cornered rat and you bet they're gonna go scorched earth.
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PrestondeTipp2 days ago
+2
Would that be wild?
Good thing the US is a net energy exporter and just claimed Venezuelan oil fields
High oil prices is doing wonders for the Canadian economy here
Shame for China, which gets much of their oil from the Gulf states....
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niceufo7772 days ago
+1
Iran is already at rock bottom, that's why it's so desperate.
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takesthebiscuit3 days ago
1 missile ain’t doing shit that can’t be sorted out with a jcb in a few hours
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HousingThrowAway10923 days ago
-21
So does the rest of the world’s economy. Iran can’t punch back at Israel or the US. Israel has an iron dome and the US is too far away. What exactly do you expect Iran to do when the US and Israel start an objectively illegal war. Of course the US’s regional allies are going to be hit.
The US has been dragged into a war that doesn’t remotely benefit Americans to no discernible policy or military goal. Iran posed no threat to the US and now the entire world gets to pay double for gas for the foreseeable future because Trump was too dumb to say no to Netanyahu
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Zilverschoon3 days ago
+16
Iron Dome does not stop Iranian ballistic missiles.
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Little-Stage19482 days ago
+4
>Iran posed no threat to the US
Iranian Intelligence Agent Convicted of Terrorism and Murder for Hire in Connection with Foiled Plot to Assassinate U.S. Politicians and Government Officials
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/iranian-intelligence-agent-convicted-terrorism-and-murder-hire-connection-foiled-plot
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HousingThrowAway10922 days ago
-1
You appreciate that’s a ridiculous justification for a war. Using your exact logic the US should be carpet bombing China
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Little-Stage19482 days ago
+2
Trying to kill the president isnt a good enough reason for war?
Man accused of plot to assassinate Trump testifies Iran pressured him, says Biden and Haley were other possible targets
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/man-accused-plot-assassinate-trump-testifies-iran-pressured-him/
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HousingThrowAway10922 days ago
+1
Of course it isn’t. It’s one guys uncorroborated claim.
More importantly, even operating under the assumption that it were true, international law exists and you have remedies available that are not “bomb a girl’s school halfway around the world”.
Offensive wars are illegal. Full stop. They have been since at the very latest 1945.
Trump’s own intelligence agency has come out and said that Iran posed no credible threat to the US. Iran is a geopolitical adversary to Israel and Israel recognized that Trump is a moron who could be dragged into a war that no other president has been dumb enough to start.
Even if you are willing to ignore international law and pretend that war crimes don’t exist, you don’t start a war unless you can win it. This war has no discernible policy or military goal for the US. It has done nothing to curb Iran’s nuclear plan, Americans have died and oil (along with everything else) will be exponentially more expensive for the foreseeable future. Starting a war that you cannot win is objectively stupid.
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ashark19833 days ago
-11
Iran is playing a dangerous game but they're either playing with a better hand than the US or are shooting for the moon. It feels like they've got the better hand honestly.
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Ancient_Landscape_933 days ago
+5
I don't know about that, they're creating decade long problems for themselves. They may secure an agreement with the US that is favorable but every gulf country is going to be make it their mission to see the IRGC weakened into perpetuity.
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HammurabiWithoutEye2 days ago
+3
> but every gulf country is going to be make it their mission to see the IRGC weakened into perpetuity.
That was already their mission. Why do you think they all allied the us and let them build bases all surrounding Iran? Why do you think they all help fight Iranian proxies? The GCC has been an anti-iran alliance since the beginning.
It's like saying since the Ukraine war, Russia is going to try and weaken the us like they haven't been trying for the past 75 years
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ashark19833 days ago
+3
So back to the status quo prior to the current conflict effectively.
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FerretAres3 days ago
+2
If they can secure the removal of sanctions on themselves that’s the equivalent of a $17/bbl uplift on every barrel of oil produced for them. It’s honestly a colossal benefit to them if they can get it.
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Clean_Mix_55712 days ago
+1
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ZenitsuSakia3 days ago
+1
Did Kuwait and Iran sign a ceasefire deal?
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big_data_ninja2 days ago
+1
Kuwait kinda been a little b**** during this whole thing.
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BrainEatingAmoeba012 days ago
+1
Explosives will do that...yup
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daywall2 days ago
-2
It happened today.
So iran and hezbollah can continue to fire and attack but everyone else need to play by the rules again.
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KtaadnRota2 days ago
+2
Don't be disingenuous. We're on the 3rd day of a very fragile ceasefire and there have been violations by all parties. It's likely that Iran sees this as retaliation for attacks by Israel or the US.
There's no way you can spin this to look l like poor innocent USA and Israel (or their allies) are victims here.
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daywall2 days ago
+9
I care for the fact that when israel attacked hezbollah,everyone went with iran to pressure israel to stop.
Now iran and hezbollah are doing it and no one from the leaders is calling them out.
Trump only calling out the stright boats toll but nothing about them violating the ceasefire.
There are more news of iran saying u.s violating the ceasefire then anything.
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Ecsta2 days ago
+5
Did you get the memo? Everything is Israel's fault.
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Kalsto62 days ago
+2
UN Resolution 1701, Israel should never trust the countries that ensured Hezbollah from being at the verge of destruction into becoming the best armed terrorist group ever. Western countries simultaneously want Israel to not do anything and then bear the cost of taking out the terrorists , it's so inconsistent.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
-42
As Israel has not stopped its attacks on Lebanon, then Iran is demonstrating the ceasefire is worthless, so attacks continue and the strait remains paralysed
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FinalVendetta3 days ago
+47
But since US is not attacking Lebanon, why is Iran attacking Kuwait? Shouldn't it attack Israel? Do u keep ur brain in ur ass before typing?
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Consistent-Study-2873 days ago
-10
What do you do with all the time you save by typing our u and ur instead of you and your?
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
-30
Glossing over everything Iran says about the dynamic, points of the ceasefire and how the conflict involves both Israel and Iran, I wonder where your brain is.
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FinalVendetta3 days ago
+15
My brain is where it is supposed to be. What I'm not able to understand is, if Israel breaks ceasefire, if that's even what Iran claims, Im not able to comprehend the exact reason why Kuwait would be a valid target. Do u think before u type?
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
-2
Kuwait is a target the same way it was a target before, because Iran designated it as they host US forces in the region. The only surprise here is your thinking they would not be a target again.
Do u think before u type?
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FinalVendetta3 days ago
+15
Did US attack Iran? When Iran attacked GCC, it said it's because US attacked them and they retaliated at those bases. Since now they are in ceasefire, tell me did US attack Iran or Lebanon? If no, tell me mf why was Kuwait targeted? I'm not surprised the incapable IRGC is attacking Kuwait because they are too weak to attack Israel. What I'm surprised is fools like u wandering in listnook.
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MrF_lawblog3 days ago
-2
Let's make this simple for you. The ceasefire was with Israel and the US which Iran is considering them one and the same. If Israel does something, Iran is treating it as they both are doing it so that they keep one another in check. Iran isn't fighting two separate wars one with the US and one with Israel.
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the-awesomer3 days ago
you openly not understanding and then calling other fools is kinda funny.
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Man_under_Bridge4203 days ago
+8
How does it involve lebanon?
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
Read the news
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Man_under_Bridge4203 days ago
+1
Which news
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TonyhawksPo-Tater3 days ago
+18
Iran just wants to continue to harass Israel through Hezbollah in Lebanon. Allowing them to continue to utilize their proxies to threaten Israel and further destabilize the ME is going to land us right back where we started.
Iranian actions for the past 40 years have been glossed over because they were attacked but the regime itself has been a malevolent force responsible for some of the worst atrocities in its history.
Iraq/Iran war, War in Iraq, Syrian Civil War, Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah, Hamas. They use the plight of weaker forces to their advantage by pressing them to fight when they have no real chance of winning and thereby expending the lives of people they pretend to care about. Gaza was leveled by Israel because Iran pressed Hamas to not surrender in the face of overwhelming force. Hamas leadership living in luxury outside of Gaza and telling their men to fight on is exactly why the people of Gaza suffered so much.
Surrender is a means of saving the lives of your people, and is often times more honorable than fighting to the last man, woman and child. Japan recognized this in WWII.
Iran needs to lose something in this war, and unless they do, I'm afraid we'll need to fight on regardless of how the war started.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
-7
The failure of this narrative comes from the complete disregard of the history of the region and the active destabilising forces of the US and Israel across it.
To suggest surrender when both those entities are in a large part the reason for the current situation is something that Iran will clearly not agree to - and that is the aim. To justify a reason for invasion, murder and subsequent expansion of territory. As demonstrated by the loss of territory in Gaza, the West bank, the south of Lebanon previously and now, and the Golan heights.
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TonyhawksPo-Tater3 days ago
+13
The expansionist claim holds no water, Israel has just come to the conclusion that the only way to have peace is to abandon the two-state solution and pursue a policy of a single state. Iran has no real interest in maintaining these proxies other than an anti-west sentiment. It could have much greater economic prosperity by seeking peace rather than obstinance.
The only real destabilization efforts by the US since the Cold War have been in the pursuit of the anti-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Iran and Saudi Arabia would quickly enter an arms race if Iran were allowed to obtain a Nuclear Weapon and if we think the economy is bad now, wait until the entire region is engulfed in a major conflict and all energy infrastructure is obliterated.
Does the US pursue an anti-vietnamese geopolitical policy because of the Vietnam war? No. Iran needs to leave the Shah narrative behind, but it can't because it has built its system of oppression on the back of the Great Satan and the Little Satan. If they didn't have an all-powerful external enemy their populace would turn its focus inward and realize how they have been oppressed for the better part of 5 decades.
Iran needs a paradigm shift and until it has one, it will continue to live well below its full potential.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
-6
>the only way to have peace is to abandon the two-state solution and pursue a policy of a single state
Israel's 'single state' solution as you have stated is against the United Nations conventions, against humanitarian interests and against peace. So this direction of continuous attacks, invasions and ignoring ceasefires is entirely aligning with its strategic objectives.
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TonyhawksPo-Tater3 days ago
+5
The United Nations is wrong in thinking having two nations, with one diametrically weaker/weakened state that thinks the other greater power shouldn't exist is the equivalent of freedom. It is not. In fact it almost guarantees the perpetuation of conflict. If Israel were to simply annex Gaza and absorb the Palestinians that live there into their populace they could have adequate representation in Parliament and have better prospects economically and also in terms of security.
The UN operates on the basis of ideals and best outcomes without considering the actual harm this two-state policy does to the Palestinians.
It all but guarantees that Israel will never have true security, and all but guarantees that the Gazans will be kept in a weaker position as a result.
As I said, we need a paradigm shift in order for there to be a real chance at peace.
Iran will continue to exploit this fragile circumstance and that is the real threat to peace. Without that, and without Hezbollah Iran loses the leverage it has to incite violence. Remove those two things and watch how the Middle East begins to stabilize and normalize relations. They were already on that path before Oct. 7th, but Iran couldn't stomach Muslim nations normalizing ties with Israel.
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PracticalYellow33 days ago
+13
Lebanon wasn’t part of the ceasefire.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
+9
It was. Only Netenyahu said it wasn't, then the US jumped on board after initially agreeing it was. Pakistan confirmed as such from the initial meeting
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EmperorChaos3 days ago
+7
No it wasn’t, Israel has repeatedly said from the beginning of the war that we were always going to be separate from their war with Iran.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
And that's why the ceasefire won't take
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EmperorChaos3 days ago
+4
So because Iran and Pakistan outright ignored what Israel said, that makes it Israel’s fault?
We are working on our own ceasefire with Israel separate from Iran, because they don’t determine or negotiate anything for us.
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THEPIGWHODIDIT3 days ago
+1
The agreement was changed after it was struck. It is fair to say that the party that changed it is at fault. That was Israel, and the whole world can see it.
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EmperorChaos3 days ago
+5
The ceasefire was never agreed to by Israel.
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reznov-where-are-you2 days ago
-1
Kuwaiti. national guard or american national guard?
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