Reminder that DOGE was counting SS going to orphans (to which they are legally entitled) as fraud.
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NewsCards17 hr ago
+345
> The bill has bipartisan support, with three Republicans signed on as co-sponsors and 28 Democrats.
This issue goes beyond party lines, this is about the wellbeing of kids.
So of course only a miniscule amount of Republicans support it.
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SteveFrench1217 hr ago
+98
How was this legal in the first place
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yabukothestray15 hr ago
+113
I believe senator Raskin tried to put forward legislation at the federal level to prevent this but it (unsurprisingly) died and didn’t get anywhere.
Many states take survivors benefits/social security benefits from foster children. I believe NPR did a great [report on the topic, and how often it happens.](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/22/988806806/state-foster-care-agencies-take-millions-of-dollars-owed-to-children-in-their-ca)
My home state took an estimated $130k+ from me / my survivors benefits before I found out and it was too late. No legal recourse. And I am not the only one.
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Ok_Situation640813 hr ago
+26
If they hadn't taken it, would you have been eligible to receive the money when you became an adult? Like would it have been a lump sum waiting for you? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...I'm genuinely ignorant on the topic of SSI and trying to understand.
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yabukothestray13 hr ago
+32
No need to apologize, this system is convoluted, so the confusion makes sense.
I think to best answer your question, you first need to understand that foster agencies either by their own departments or often using outsource companies apply for benefits in a child’s name once they enter state custody. In theory, if a child in their care is eligible for any social security benefits (survivors, disability, etc) relatives should be notified so someone can serve as a representative payee, but that part frequently doesn’t happen & there’s little oversight. As a result, many children don’t even know they were eligible for benefits until they age out.
As for lump sums, there generally isn’t one…it depends on specific state laws. Historically, most states don’t do that, though a few have started making changes regarding creating trust funds (will address in later part of my comment). The only lump sum that was retroactive I believe the article mentions one kid from alaska who had his survivor benefits taken after becoming an orphan, but laws regarding payouts like this weren’t on the books yet in Alaska to my knowledge - which my personal feelings (which may not be correct tbf) is that I kinda wonder if the state got enough pushback that they were pressured into paying him what he was owed because they realized they messed up when his story started getting picked up by NPR)
Some states (I don’t know how many, but I am pretty sure it is very few) now place a child’s survivor benefits or social security/disability into a trust if there’s no representative payee, allowing access when they age out. It’s an improvement, but not widely adopted, and it also doesn’t address past cases which means people like me who effectively paid for our own foster care without our knowledge or our choice aren’t compensated either.
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damagecontrolparty12 hr ago
+10
What happens if there isn't a reliable relative to be a representative payee?
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yabukothestray12 hr ago
+24
That’s the caveat. When no one is available, most state laws allow the state to just swoop in and make themselves the payee even though they have had the ability to put the money into an account for the kids so they have access to it when they age out. They deliberately have avoided this. As another comment in this post mentioned, the state of California has changed their laws to reroute payments into an account when no payee can be found. So again, all states have the ability to do this - and they ARE aware it is an issue. The ones who do not reroute it into a trust or whatever account for the kids simply just do not care.
Edit: added more clarification at the end
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trphilli10 hr ago
+5
The theory (not that I agree 100%) is that the state is offsetting foster care expenses.
Conceptually Social Security Survivor benefits are their to replace income of a deceased parent for the kid.
Sametime Foster Care is State government paying the kids expenses (rent, medical, school). How well is debatable and varies by state.
So some states argue that Social Security should fund Foster Care when available because they are basically the same things, funding for kids basically expenses.
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gothruthis9 hr ago
+4
Former SSA employee, and yes, the guidelines state that the money can be used by a guardian to care for the child, and in this case the state is the guardian. Although review of the guardian spending is rare, there are specific guidelines on calculating expenses, and if the SS payment is more than the expenses, the remainder has to set aside for the child. But most of the payments are only a few hundred a month, so it's not too hard to prove a kid costs more than a few hundred a month. Most states have to pay between $400-800 per month to foster parents to provide care, and that doesn't include things like medicaid coverage for the child and so on.
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bobdob123usa9 hr ago
+1
Most places, if your child ends up in foster care, you have to pay the state for that, just like child support. In this case SS is taking the place of child support.
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BetterCallMeAutistic17 hr ago
+40
Bipartisan, only 3 Republicans.
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Tiafves15 hr ago
+19
And on the flip side when sonething has overwhelming Republican support and 3 Democrats, but doesnt pass they say why aren't Democrats being bipartisan?
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Auctoritate16 hr ago
+29
I'm not familiar with the Pennsylvania House so I was wondering if there was maybe a much higher number of Democrats than Republicans maybe.
Nope. 102 dems and 99 Republicans. Almost perfectly split.
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DarthBrooks6942017 hr ago
+34
Republicans support kids like i support p*** artist: verbal support and absolutely nothing else.
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JustLookingForMayhem15 hr ago
+7
Not as dark as I was expecting.
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DarthBrooks694205 hr ago
+1
Average republican reaction when they click on the 'ebony' category.
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Consistent-Throat13010 hr ago
+4
In case your hadn't noticed, the Republican party overall is opposed to the well-being of kids.
They're mostly into penising them.
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HellaTroi13 hr ago
+3
It's heartbreaking to know how the fostercare system callously tosses these kids to the wolves as soon as they turn 18.
They aren't prepped by the foster care employees. They probably don't know how to bank, read and understand a lease for a place to live, cooking hut ir miss, depending on whether they learned in foster care or not.
We can do better.
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tracyinge16 hr ago
+2
[maydaystrong.org](http://maydaystrong.org)
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HellaTroi13 hr ago
+27
I had to check my state's law on this.
Apparently, California changed the law last year. Now the counties or child care agencies do not get to reroute these payments, and now have to go into an interest bearing account.
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Osiris327 hr ago
+3
Oregon changed it in 2023. Glad to see it's protected here, but I worry about other, less forward thinking states, and the kids there.
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unhiddenninja16 hr ago
+59
Another fun fact about the foster system is that child support payments are absorbed by the state. When I fostered, I was told that was because it helped fund "everything else we do for them".
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karny9011 hr ago
+28
Can confirm, I used to work at a boys home and those kids don’t get all their money and what money they do get, they charge them for stuff they shouldn’t be.
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ThrowAbout0112 hr ago
+11
“F*** them Kids.”
-Michael Jordan/Politicians
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_BaronOBeef_14 hr ago
+8
This probably isn't the right analogy, but imagine Season 1 Naruto... literally living off microwave ramen... then cut that... again, not quite the right analogy but it gets the point across.
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