Lebanese official says man in Michigan synagogue attack lost family members in Israeli airstrike

Source : trust me bro

You all keep adding "but" in there, which is what you do when you're, you know, justifying the attempted murder of children. These loser cowards you keep lowkey defending are never going after a consulate or a gov't official, because they're cowardly losers, and so are the people who defend them for attempting to murder children. And any time you add a "but" you are absolutely defending them, you're just too chicken to bother saying it outright, so you couch it in slick verbiage.

I didn't kill any Iraqis, I'm not even American. And I condemn the Iraq war totally with no question, there was and is no justification for it. Just as there is no justification for this attack.

>Every time I see a comment on the civilian death in Gaza I see “well Hamas started this whole thing!” And that's wrong. >But I don’t see your comment combating those people. I don't post that much any more. But I have argued against Israeli actions before. >Can we just agree not to kill people. And the byproduct of killing people is more of *your* people will be killed by radicalizing those you targeted? Well that is what the extremists want, they want the us vs them mentality and the reciprocal violence. They will use previous attacks on them to justify the retaliation and on it goes.

They do. 5hey repeat talking points from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion but believe if they use Israel or Zionist as a euphemism for Jews it is not Antisemitic.

That absolutely does happen, but 90% of the accusations of it are literally just in response to criticism of Israel. There's rarely even an attempt to say why a particular line of criticism might cross the line into antisemitism. It's just name-calling that makes it much harder to have real conversations about either Israeli atrocities or real antisemitism.

Anti-zionism is not inherently anti-semitic, and any substantive criticism of the Israeli government gets lumped in with it anyway so the distinction isn't relevant in practice.

Not all extremist groups have nukes and are backed by the wealthiest/largest military in human history.

> The official, who requested anonymity because he could not publicly discuss details of the airstrike, told the AP that Kassim and Ibrahim Ghazali were killed, along with Ibrahim Ghazali's children, Ali and Fatima. There are pictures of the two kids online. Look them up. They were little kids who were killed by an Israeli airstrike.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/synagogue-shooting-michigan-what-we-know/ this article states that while the attackers 2 brothers that killed were part of hezbollah he also had 2 "young children" family members killer

Weren't they killed in their home? It sure sounds like you're excusing the killing of children.

That's a Mozart quote. What even is this comment?

Wow I didn’t know the families in that synagogue killed his family or committed an airstrike against a children’s school (that was the US btw). I am also afraid of attacks in the city. And I’ve been afraid of attacks in my synagogue my whole life - so have Jewish ancestors going back thousands of years. Cuz guess what? They happened long before 1948. Sure, airstrikes and war - which I am personally against - radicalize people. So if a Muslim whose family was disappeared in China decides to run a car into the Chinese American kids on the playground at Sunset Park, you wouldn’t find it callous to respond “That’s how you radicalize people, kids,” right? Wouldn’t find it insensitive to point out that China has been committing genocide against Muslims and how that radicalizes Uhygurs to run over Chinese American kids with cars a day after? I would. Or if one of the family members of the million genocided Tigrayans ran a car into an Ethiopian parade or festival or even a church filled with people from that corner of the world? Would commenting on how Tigrayans were obviously radicalized be a victim blaming, unfeeling comment then? I think it would. There appear to be different standards and responses whenever Israel is involved in a conflict in the world, and yes, that’s antisemitic. Note - criticism of Israel is not antisemitic (you should hear us Jews rail against the government there), but the difference in behaviors surrounding it vs almost any other country is antisemitic, yes. And the responses to attacks on synagogues are an example of this. Or is the callous response/focus on humanizing the attempted murderer rather than the immorality of the crime only there because in this instance this man’s wheels didn’t end up crushing a Jewish child’s skull so it’s ok to respond with “radicalization because of Israel!” ? Is it only when the murder is successful, like at Bondi Beach, that Jews are allowed to be as human as any other group of people? You might want to check out Dara Horn’s book “People Love Dead Jews.” Or maybe “Anti-Judaism” by David Nirenberg. In any case, yes, the double standards of saying “this is how you radicalize…” when the victims are Jews and the country is Israel, thereby putting some blame on the victim, when somehow other people who experience unfathomable trauma manage NOT to massacre identity groups due to a country’s actions very very far away from said victims, is not the straightforward thing you make it out to be. It’s also an insult to the millions of people whose families have been killed in war or equally horrific scenarios and would never harm a soul. This man conflated Jews with Netanyahu (I can hear it now “Jews overall support Israel!” And btw support for Israel means something different to every Jew on earth, and even if they did fully support Netanyahu killing then is insane and horrific), and he tried to massacre them. Put any other country and ethnicity in there and hopefully you’ll see why a lot of people found that comment offensive. If not…. Well. Additionally, while all of this war is horrific, the man’s two brothers were members of Hezbollah and were killed in warfare. It does not make his personal loss any easier, but that’s a missing context. I don’t know how much you know about Hezbollah, but his brothers were already “radicalized.” I certainly agree with you that this war is going to bring about a lot more tragedy.

It's ironic too because their side is making the same arguments in this thread and can't see it. A few of them have said, "this will make Jews support Israel even harder" as if that's not following the same logic.

It’s definitely also a factor, but the timing is obviously not a coincidence.

Or maybe the fact that 4 of his family members were killed when Israel bombed them. Who can say though

Every word you just said perfectly describes Israel as well...

Terrorists are labeled as so on both sides. You say terrorist scum, that's what we are in their eyes. Thankfully, our homeland is secure from actual military strikes, because most countries at war don't have that security blanket.

The only point of all this wishy washy navel gazing is to avoid outright condemning the attack. And as a way to ensure Israel is to blame for literal terrorism against Jewish diaspora.

I’ll wait for a non-X source for stuff like this