Let’s all have a town hall about r/all

Yeah, I like this idea. I moderate quite a few smaller sublistnooks and it's always interesting to see how popular a truly exceptional post can get. Even when they blow up within that sublistnook, /r/all doesn't really give them a fair shake when dropped among the content from defaults. Case in point: /r/JapanPics hardly cracks 500 points for even the best posts. [But just once we had a post pass 1300 points](https://www.listnook.com/r/japanpics/comments/3vv6rd/tokyos_alleys_by_night_you_can_nearly_smell_the/). Within the sublistnook, that's an outstanding post that everyone loves. But outside of it, it's just another post that can hardly crack the top 100 on /r/all's "hot" list. Giving "trending" content a bit of the /r/all spotlight, similar to how /r/trendingsublistnooks reserves a little window on the frontpage, would be fantastic.

An issue with this is that a post that makes it to /r/outstanding suddenly gets +1000 more upvotes just because it's there. Now that [unusual bird pic](http://www.audubon.org/sites/default/files/2548692902_73e058b662_z.jpg) has 200x more votes than expected. How does that factor in for that sublistnook's next popular [unusual bird](https://pixabay.com/static/uploads/photo/2015/06/20/12/14/weird-bird-815733_960_720.jpg)? If it gets 200 organic subscriber upvotes, it's 4x the natural expected average for the sublistnook. But that 1100+ bird the day before brought that average up? Or maybe 4x isn't really that impressive since the previous one was suddenly 200x? This is an issue with meta-linking in general. Listnook has to decide what people are allowed to vote on. I like your idea but it is not without it's own flaws that would need [to be considered](http://orig00.deviantart.net/60b2/f/2013/053/9/f/thinking_bird_by_m3sutozil-d5vumuz.jpg).

So, that's approximately how the current front page works. We normalize the scores and sort by the most outstanding. It's limited to defaults / subscriptions, though. You basically describe the new frontpage algorithm I've been fantasizing about. We started work on this, in fact, but we re-allocated that brainpower (u/KeyserSosa) to focus on anti-evil for a while. We have since hired more brainpower and have less evil, so I'm hopeful we can get back to it soon.

/r/Busy would be another one you could have. Posts that have a high amount of comments and views, regardless of upvotes and downvotes.

No news to share, but it's very much on my mind. I'd really like communities to come and go organically. Right now, we (Listnook Inc), do the choosing, and I don't like playing kingmaker. We have communities that come and go quickly (around major world events); rise and fall over the course of months (r/nba, r/gameofthrones); and communities that stay popular for years and years (r/iama, r/AskListnook). We'd like to be able to account for all of these situations.

I suspect they will do something like having new users select interests when they sign up, and then it gives you options to choose from. Though I do expect them to retain something like defaults to show to users who are logged out.

I made a comment a long time ago addressing this issue: "I really wish Listnook had some sort of quick customization button when you sign up. The biggest complaint I hear from people about Listnook is how the front page is all over the place and are turned off by it. And this is coming from late 20s, early 30-year olds who are very savvy with technology. Listnook needs to understand that there are older folks that WANT to absorb the news and knowledge from a reliable and trust-worthy site. However, it's difficult for them because all they see are pictures of seductive goats and a shower thought concerning The Rock, and they have NO IDEA how they can get rid of it. The best recent move Listnook made was removing AdviceAnimals from default. And before someone chimes in, if I told someone "Read the FAQ", I think I would get punched in the face. The Listnook mods need to step into everybody's shoes and understand that people's exposure to computers/technology is widely varied. They need to make ease & accessibility to the site as simple as possible without losing the charm. Something to the effect of this customization would be nice: * All-inclusive (default subscriptions as it is now) * Math, Science, & Technology (dataisbeautiful, technology, futurology, science, etc.) * Politics (news, politics, worldnews) * Personal interests (books, movies, music, television, sports) * Entertainment (funny, pics, videos, EarthPorn, etc.) Or maybe a Knowledge-based Listnook vs. Entertainment-based Listnook customization."

/r/TwoXChromosomes went down the drain when it became default. Now it's just full of vile arguments in each comment section.

Or maybe make a separate NSFW /r/all. I mean there is already a nsfw random sublistnook filter, it seems that having a p*** /r/all would be a good next step. A lot of people who use listnook use it simply to jack off, and appealing to this audience would possibly be a good thing to expand listnook's userbase even more.

Agreed. > Many of us slack at work and browse listnook At least I can claim it's work.

Regardless about how you feel about /r/the_Donald this should really piss people off more. So many subs used this feature to show of content from its users. It's almost useless now.

Thanks for the feedback. We're still thinking about stickies, and will likely make more changes. In the meantime, sorry we upset your usage of it.

You'll see fewer powers from the same community. This is one of those cases where we might be throwing out some of the good with the bad. We'll keep a watch during major events and see how it feels. I don't believe r/all or our current front page is the best solution for Listnook, but it's the best we have right now.

It's just for the specific rendering of the r/all listing. So, it'll affect all communities with r/all itself, but not on the listings for the actual communities. Not sure if I'm answering the question you're asking...

>would prevent subs like r/funny, r/gaming and r/adviceanimals from dominating r/all. Good?

Yes, we'll expose filtering to everyone in the near future. In your mind, what's the difference between filtering and blocking?

> use RES This is the only reason why i have res installed. I have thousands of users (mostly reposters, spammer and bots) and hundreds of sublistnooks filtered. This should be a basic option on listnook.

As a user who's been around for a decade, you'll remember why /r/listnook.com was shut down: It was an absolute shitfest. Listnook just grew too big for such a sub to function. You cannot have a huge uncurated sublistnook. It just doesn't work. /r/politics self-posts of political soapboxing to a perceived huge/impactful audience, editorialized "story" titles that don't describe content, polls, "upvote if", PSA:, Daily reminder that....", boycot ___ for ___ reason posts: there's a reason all those things were hated so much they're banned from pretty much all communities of size. Without rules that go beyond the scope of the sitewide rules, you cannot have a large community function without rules and removals. It doesn't work. People who want true, large catch-all sublistnook back forget that listnook is exponentially larger than it was back then. It's not a feasible option. It cannot and will not happen.

>ModMail is a cop-out that hides all upper-level discussions from the community From the mods perspective, I can see why they'd prefer ModMail. It puts the conversation in a place where it isn't them facing down a mob. Mob mentality can devolve any good conversation into a shouting match just based on the way human behavior works. I think it's better the way it is.

I'd actually like to see something like a mod arbitration committee, ideally run by non-admins (with some checks and balances for mods to prevent corruption and tampering). And make all their decisions and reasoning made public to anyone who is interested, but to keep the whole ordeal off things like the front page. Maybe an opt in sub that cannot reach /r/all. Right now mods have too much power and almost no oversight from either their own communities nor the website admins. And I dislike the idea of giving too much power to the admins but damn some mods are petty and shitty.

Yeah, it's c*** now. I sleep for 8 hours while America is awake and come back to a front page which is 2/3 the same as when I went to bed? Not only that but it's still full of posts I saw nearly 24 hours ago.

You kinda *have* to give a post 24 hours so the whole world gets a chance to see what you saw. If something hits the #1 s*** when you're on but falls dramatically by the time that I logon, the community response will be affected.

How about a flying fish algorithm. ( I made this up.) Whatever reaches front page of all gets weighted down more heavily. Like falling through air instead of water. Upvotes are flapping wings to stay aloft, downvotes are gravity. Once anything bubbles up past the threshold, it can fall quicker unless the upvotes keep pouring in. Maybe the gravity kicks in after a set amount of time? Probably all kinds of reasons this is an awful idea. Edit: I have been informed that I am probably dumb.

Yes, yes, yes. The admins' contention that users are imagining that posts are remaining at the top for too long is insulting to anyone who browses the site for very long. I used to be able to rely on seeing a significant amount of new content hit my front page every hour or two; now I'm basically done with Listnook for the day once I've seen the first hundred posts or so, and some of those posts will *still* be there the following day. Admins, this is a problem. Fix it.

My content filter has gotten quite a workout over the past couple of months. Should I replace digital filters at the same rate I change my Brita filter?

this. having a name like /r/news pretty much guarantees that they will get most everyone looking for news, especially if they are default, and especially if they have everyone voting there to get stuff to the front page. there is nothing for example that helps /r/neutralnews get seen by the majority versus /r/news.

/u/spez is only talking about /r/all, frontpage works off a totally different algorithm that measures hotness relative to the respective sublistnooks and sort of weaves them into your feed. This kinda change wouldn't work the same way for frontpage, it would need to be totally different... Also, there isn't really much purpose in doing it on frontpage. It would be nice to have some preference options though for how /r/all is displayed, but there are some philosophical debates as to how that affects the platform as a whole and also might require several API changes to take effect that will need to be integrated into all 3rd party applications as well that use it.

I would also like if there was another category with the old algorithm. I prefer to see exactly what people are voting on. It's especially useful if a large event occurs and you can see all the most important threads at the top, it doesn't matter what sublistnook they came from. If there is another large event, such as the Orlando shooting, but there is only one post about it on /r/all it doesn't really feel like the "front page of the Internet" anymore, does it?

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This should be higher up. I can't believe I can be banned for reading an article and making a perfectly normal comment in /r/hypotheticalsublistnook and then be banned from 10 other sublistnooks automatically

Agreed. [This comment](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/4ny59k/lets_talk_about_orlando/d480end) specifically really touched me and I felt it should have merited a response.