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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +31

Thanks, hopefully now there will be enough money to buy new servers. Raldi....ಠ\_ಠ

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +75

We don't need more servers. We long ago passed the point where we can solve our problems with servers. We need more people, but that takes time. I made a post about it on /r/lounge. [Edit: ...and it appears that jooes has reposted it in a reply below.]

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +6

I made the post on /r/lounge because people were already talking about it there.

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gigaquack Dec 3, 2010 +3

Are your servers powered by hand crank or something?

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +3

No, but they're subject to the phenomenon of lock contention.

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mkrfctr Dec 4, 2010 +2

Time to go the WoW route and start having shards.

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +2

We shard a lot of things. And we'd like to shard more. That's one of those things that we're going to do when we have more manpower.

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mkrfctr Dec 4, 2010 +2

Haha, thanks for the response, but I was being utterly facetious and referring to an entirely distinct front and back end shard, ie separate listnook sites with capped number of users in each and no interaction between them. Which I thought was actually a kind of innovative and creative outside the box idea. I don't know of any other websites that do that. You could be the first!

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jooes Dec 3, 2010 +88

You're welcome: >There are a bunch of posts on /r/lounge today about the totally unacceptable performance of listnook over the last few days. > For starters, it's important that you know we're working on it as hard as we can. We start watching the logs and shepherding the servers literally before we get out of bed, and literally right before we go to sleep. And quite a bit in between: from the office, after dinner, on the weekends, even while on "vacation". > It's not easy supporting a site that gets more traffic than the New York Times with only four engineers. The problems that could be fixed by adding servers and essentially throwing money at the problem were fixed in August -- thanks in major part to listnook gold subscribers. > It's not like there's a s*** labeled "uptime" that we can simply stick quarters in. The remaining problems can only be fixed in two ways: > 1. Try to find a datacenter that can outperform Amazon > 2. Carefully profile our systems and find ways to tune the site in-place > The first one is impossible with our current staffing. We can barely keep the lights on, much less relocate the site. And even then, there's no guarantee they'd be able to do a better job than Amazon. > The second one is in progress (it's what ketralnis does all day long). The only way to speed it up is to add more manpower. But it's a long road to go from "gold money comes in" to "more manpower": > 1. Gold money comes in > 2. Enough time passes that a report can be generated > 3. The report is turned into a presentation > 4. The presentation is given to company brass > 5. We ask for permission to hire > 6. We ask for permission to hire > 7. We ask for permission to hire > 8. **We get permission to hire!** > 9. We announce that we're looking for resumes > 10. We review resumes and whittle the hundreds of applicants down to a small number that we will interview > 11. Interviews are conducted > 12. We choose a candidate > 13. HR negotiates and hopefully seals the deal > 14. The new hire gives two weeks' notice at the old job > 15. The new hire takes a week off between switching jobs > 16. **The new hire starts!** > 17. The new hire has to go through company orientation, sign papers, get a keycard, set up their computer the way they like it, etc > 18. The new hire is actually doing engineering work! However, they're still a net negative impact because the training time they pull away from existing employees outweighs their added contribution > 19. Time passes, new hire learns more and more > 20. **The new hire is having a net positive impact on engineering manpower!** > We've already got two new engineers moving down that list: Neil (spladug) is up to step 19, though our recent loss of KeyserSosa is hard to make up for with one person. And we're up to step 11 with another new hire. And there might be more new hires coming in early 2011 if we can do steps 3 through 7 well a few more times. > TLDR: You guys are having a huge impact on making the site more stable, but there's a lag time of about six months.

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +42

You've got a little brown on your nose there.

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TMI-nternets Dec 4, 2010 +17

Yes, but it's 200 OK Brown, so.. no biggie

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +2

And a smudge on his chin but who is counting.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +4

>The second one is in progress (it's what ketralnis does all day long). Shiiiit, check his internet history. I bet he's goofing on listnook all day.

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KineticSolution Dec 3, 2010 +13

Step 1-19 i read in the voice of Charlie Browns teacher "Wahw Wahw WAHW wahw WAHHHHHHHHW" does that make me a d***?

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sirbruce Dec 3, 2010 +3

> I made a post about it on /r/lounge, and it appears that jooes has reposted it in a reply below. Yet another example of the fracturing of listnook we warned you about with listnook gold. Don't you think posting such things on blog.listnook.com for everyone would be more appropriate?

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +3

http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/efpn0/listnook_gold_gift_clistnooks_are_now_for_sale/c17rkak?context=3

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sirbruce Dec 4, 2010 -5

That's not a sufficiently sound reason. You dun goofed. Save for that one major outage, and then the initial stuff about listnook gold, your staff has RARELY been willing to talk about behind-the-scenes, this is why things are crashing and this is what we need money for and this is how we're going to get it and this is why it hasn't been done yet, sort of stuff. And when they do it's almost always burined inside threads like this one. MAKE A BLOG POST AND TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON.

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +13

It's hard to take you serious when your furious dial is always turned up to 11.

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Ambush Jan 5, 2011 +1

I'd buy one of these: a pin / badge with an adjustable dial and a scale from one to eleven. As a [retarded] discussion with a work colleague evolves, I can alter the dial based on my level of fury. Awesome.

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flyryan Dec 3, 2010 +25

You should crosspost that to a sublistnook everyone can access.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +12

http://i.imgur.com/7SgVj.jpg

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gigitrix Dec 3, 2010 +21

You should submit that to loungeyleaks

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +11

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Bit_4 Dec 4, 2010 +2

Now we just have to get a disgruntled engineer to leak all of the listnook team's emails!

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BauerUK Dec 3, 2010 +5

I'm not the only one who checked to see if that was a real sublistnook, right?

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +12

I like to travel.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +10

You are not missing much with the lounge. Imagine ICanHazCheeseburger type speaking, only instead of butchered tween English it is butchered proper English. And all the topics are either entitled bitching or people talking about how awesome the lounge is, which is a lie because those two topics are really lame in the grand scheme of listnook submissions.

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No-Shit-Sherlock Dec 3, 2010 +9

It's /r/circlejerk for faux Gentlepeople. Other than the whining, it is often funny.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +2

I guess I don't know what I would expect that sub-listnook to be about, but what it is isn't a reason worth getting gold. I am going to give it another week or two but it will probably drop off my front page if the content doesn't shift to something interesting.

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No-Shit-Sherlock Dec 3, 2010 +4

The main reason to get listnook gold is to support listnook so they can hire more engineers and reduce the site downtime. Everything else is just added incentive. /r/lounge does have its fair share of whiney, self-entitled babies who have no idea how difficult it is to keep a site of this scale running with only 4 engineers though. So I don't blame you for unsubscribing but I just ignore them and focus on the funny aspects of it. [This recent /r/lounge exchange](http://imgur.com/beBK2.png) was even good enough that I bestof'd it.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +2

I understand the main reason. I use AlienBlue on the iPad as my primary way to browse, and since it doesn't show ads I went ahead and got Gold to support the site. My musing was more to say that the lounge itself is pretty much worthless in its current state.

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No-Shit-Sherlock Dec 3, 2010 +1

I mostly agree with you about /r/lounge but as I said it's not all bad. It may not be frontpage worthy but it's at least worth checking in on ocassionally. I also use AlienBlue... on my iPhone... when I'm on the toilet. There is something deeply satisfying about participating in a serious discussion on listnook while dropping a deuce. :P

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +2

Yep, anytime I visit the porcelain therapist to figure some shit out, good bet I am browsing listnook.

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +1

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +2

nope, its [res](http://listnook.honestbleeps.com/)

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +9

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WiIIis Dec 3, 2010 +4

>You know what LOSERS make excuses. Winners know how to use commas.

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KineticSolution Dec 3, 2010 +6

Thats not very nice.....

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phire Dec 4, 2010 +2

Shame, servers are a lot cheaper than people.

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-JuJu- Dec 3, 2010 +2

It's a shame that only gold members received an honest response from Listnook.

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drgk Dec 3, 2010 +6

Hey Raldi, I bought Listnook Gold yesterday and I'm still getting ads. What gives?

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +7

Visit /prefs and turn them off, if you'd like.

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myotheralt Dec 3, 2010 +2

I would be fine with having ads on listnook itself, but I dont really care for the in your face style of all the other sites. And if I turn adblock off for listnook, it does not work on any site that I go to in a listnook iframe. Also, regarding the iframe, in google chrome, links from imgur that go straight to the .jpg (http://www.listnook.com/tb/eflx4) do not auto resize to fit the window.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +2

> And if I turn adblock off for listnook, it does not work on any site that I go to in a listnook iframe. Try the instructions over on [/help/adblock](/help/adblock).

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drgk Dec 3, 2010 +7

Oh ok, just didn't know if the transaction went through. I don't really care about the ads I just wanted to make sure you guys got your monies.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +13

That's news to me. Which of your 25 sockpuppet accounts are you referring to?

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +1

Sometimes offices full of people can set off our anti-abuse systems, especially if they're all upvoting each other's stuff from the same subnet. I'll take a look. In the meantime, can you PM me which ones, if any, *are* your sockpuppet accounts?

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +1

*** Comment removed by [Admin](http://www.listnook.com/admin/) *** not really, and I've been pretty critical of listnook today. It would seem though that when they (the ones ninja banning you) say they're frustrated, they aren't lying. That was made overly apparent to me today. So while I'm not going to say that listnook shits rainbows and ponies, I buy that the powers-that-be-banning are also trying to get some improvements for the place as well.

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drrevevans Dec 3, 2010 -6

It seems to me that Listnook gold is a very liberal way of dealing with problems. Instead of fixing the infrastructure (advertising), you simply tax the population. I realize that this is an optional tax, but instead of fixing the problems like "you broke Listnook" and "thanks for not using adblock," you come out with new ways to ask the people for money. I for one will continue to not be a part of Listnook Gold, not because I don't love this site, but because I would rather see Listnook learn a lesson in business that will last them a lifetime then be sustainable for only a year or two more.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +7

Do you make the same complaint when an airline has higher fares for business class?

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drrevevans Dec 3, 2010 -2

Do you really want to compare how Listnook operates to the airline industry. It is world news if any of the major airlines turns a profit during a quarter. I don't pay for business class, nor do I ask to be bumped up. I do expect however, not to crash in the middle of the ocean on my way to the destination. My point is that Listnook should be self sustaining and profitable without Listnook Gold. All of you guys should be rich and have higher salaries. Listnook Gold is a crutch that may end up hurting Listnook in the long run.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +2

I'm sorry you think the idea of exchanging services for money is somehow a form of socialism.

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Wesa Dec 3, 2010 +1

I paid $30 almost a week ago and still don't have a Listnook Gold account. :(

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +2

Yikes! You should have received a claim code within seconds. PM me the email address that your payment receipt went to.

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Palk0 Dec 25, 2010 +1

I don't believe I've received mine... Its been over an hour. Any way I can get the email to resend?

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raldi Dec 25, 2010 +2

Sure, just PM me the email address that your payment receipt went to.

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Wesa Dec 4, 2010 +1

Figured it out, had an old email address associated with the account. I didn't realize it would email the code to me. Thank you!

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andbruno Dec 3, 2010 +90

So you buy these so other people can watch "you broke Listnook" and "Listnook is under heavy load" screens? What an amazing gift. [Has a ~60% expectation that upon hitting "save", this comment will not submit because of an error]

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InAFewWords Dec 3, 2010 +26

All my witty and insightful comments were eaten up by the 502/504 errors. Then I make a dumb one and it saves. Made for a sad morning.

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andbruno Dec 3, 2010 +9

Then there's the time you keep getting 504s and a few of them are actually lies, and you return later and find 2-3 of the posts actually made it through despite the red error messages.

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alang Dec 4, 2010 +1

What I don't understand is, I see plenty of 'you broke listnook' signs, but I have never yet seen a 502, 504, etc. Sometimes the comment submissions take a couple of minutes, but I've never had one not post.

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perezidentt Dec 4, 2010 +1

Someone should write a greasemonkey addon so it autosaves your comment to your clipboard before you submit.

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InAFewWords Dec 4, 2010 +1

It's not that. I just end up closing the tab from frustration and move to the next article.

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SoManyMinutes Dec 4, 2010 +1

I almost always hit CTRL+A -> CTRL+C before submitting comments for this exact reason.

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elmuchoprez Dec 4, 2010 +1

That would actually be handy for a number of situations, not just on Listnook.

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TMI-nternets Dec 4, 2010 +2

I'll just mention: if you happen to have paid for the servers, the downtime will feel delicious as well.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +26

Give the gift of listnook, where as a gold member, you get to super^script^beyond just powers of two and you get access to a sublistnook where everyone yells at each other for being critical of listnook in the first place. With the recent "Heavy Load" constant messages, you guys are going to have to help me here as to WHY I want to continue to give more money to a site that keeps saying about how everything is getting better when it doesn't seem that way at all. As of recent hours long outtages, comments never getting submitted or lost, and generally clicking something and then having to find something else to do because it's going to be minutes upon minutes for a page at listnook.com proper to actually generate. Then the features we do want, won't or don't get implemented because there are things like Alien-Blue and Listnook Enhancement Suite. So, why would I want to purchase "gold credits" from listnook?

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DKoala Dec 3, 2010 +8

Yes, how dare they allow members to gift each other with a gold membership for a while. Just like those guys at steam allowing people to send on games to their friends. Bastards. If you don't think gold is worth it, don't buy it. Just like any other kind of subscription. It's not like throwing money at something solves all of it's problems. Listnook has the odd problem or two, and in the past couple of days it's had a few more for some reason. I just switched over to another channel on the internet, there's a few around these days. Shit happens, and when it does a lot of critics come out of the woodwork to decry how shit the shit is, and how they don't like the smell of shit, ignoring how the place normally smells of roses, and how the current state of affairs is not the norm. It's a website, they go down from time to time, it happens. It's not easy for 4-5 people to keep thousands happy all at once.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +9

Therein lies this phenomenon that I cannot for the life of me understand at all. Listnook is ***OWNED*** by a ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** listnook isn't its own company, the are ***OWNED*** by a ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** All of the problems with the site are because the ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** doesn't have to fix the problems with listnook. Why doesn't the ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** have to fix the problems with listnook? Because people like you are in the majority where they feel that somehow listnook is ran by a group of underdogs and that they are our friends and only want to do friendly things. When in reality the ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** just sucks off whatever revenue listnook makes and doesn't re-invest in the project. So then the project leaders have to come up with a way to supplement their ***OPERATIONAL BUDGET*** which is set by the ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** The ***MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY*** could easily allow staff to be hired and for more resources to be purchased, but they don't have to, because they know if the site sucks enough, people will just buy more listnook gold. ***THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN YOU PEOPLE PAYING FOR MEMBERSHIPS BECAUSE THE SITE SUCKS BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEM MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET OF THIS SITE***

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DKoala Dec 3, 2010 +2

There's a blog post explaining that listnook doesn't exactly have access to the company checkbook, and how they have to justify earnings before they're allowed to take on more staff. Something tells me raldi et al. don't exactly turn down swathes of cash from Conde Nast with the response "It's ok, we've duped thousands of nerds to give us our money instead." I pay for a coke in the McDonalds despite McDonalds being one of the richest companies on the planet. It's not like they can ask headquarters for any kind of reimbursement, they have to show they're turning enough profit to justify investment. Speaking for myself, I bought into listnook gold when they were doing the 'pay what you want' offer when it first started. Not as a charity case, but because this site has become my main hub for internet content, and I had some money to spend at the time, so I threw a couple euro their way. While that is not the situation anymore, I'm not against the idea of paying a subscription once I can afford to do so, because I'm weird in the fact that I don't mind supporting things I like.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +2

I do not think this is a problem that can be solved entirely by raldi and company and by gold memberships ... But if there is enough dissent and the people who visit listnook say "f*** it, the place is just too broke" ... then we will lose everything about listnook. But if by some f****** miracle Conde Nast sees the error in their ways and actually puts some f****** support behind listnook, this could be their flagship online presence.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +3

They saw the error of their ways a few months ago. It'll be another month or two before you start seeing the effects of this.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +1

But but ... pitchforks ... torches ... dammit I'm angry and I this is my venue of frustration venting. live vicariously through me, conde nast can't have me fired (yet, I don't think)

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JamesDelgado Dec 4, 2010 +1

>But if there is enough dissent and the people who visit listnook say "f*** it, the place is just too broke" ... then we will lose everything about listnook. The kinds of people who would leave because they're angry with listnook's policies and not believing that they're doing everything they can as a small organization aren't the kind of people who would be very welcome anyway. So, good riddance.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +23

They didn't get to be a multi-billion-dollar company by running their companies like charities. If listnook wants to hire people, it has to show revenue. And we are, so we are.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +2

Very true, but I think you guys are getting stuck as the thankless middle men here. Honestly I'm trying my best here to make my argument without saying that you and the other engineers are to blame. Conde Nast should see the traffic alone and know how valuable listnook is. If they can't see that, then listnook deserves to fail. Either that or they need to give you more latitude. You guys are in a no-win situation right now and it sucks because you feel the need to defend parent corp because I assume you all want to keep your jobs. I feel like a d*** for posting the last 6 comments because I know someone out there is reading that as "Superdug thinks all the admins are assholes". My frustration is with Conde Nast essentially saying "When it comes to listnook, not a single f*** is given"

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +12

> Conde Nast should see the traffic alone and know how valuable listnook is. If they can't see that, then listnook deserves to fail. That's why I was publicly blaming Conde Nast all the time up until around September. Then they saw the light, and we've been on the road to success ever since. > you feel the need to defend parent corp because I assume you all want to keep your jobs. If they didn't fire me for [this](http://gawker.com/5584355/conde-nasts-largest-web-property-literally-begging-users-for-money)...

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +3

to be fair, no one really reads gawker/gizmodo sites. They're even more irrelevant to conde nast than listnook is :-) In all seriousness, I think you are doing the absolute best job you can possibly do with what you have. With that said, angry paying customers, if there are enough of us, might actually be able to do something to help prove a point of emphasize a point more betterly. I know that everywhere that I've worked the customer that bitches the most gets the most attention (even if they aren't even paying the most). So consider me your misdirected squeaky wheel

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +2

> to be fair, no one really reads gawker/gizmodo sites. Believe me, they read it. > So consider me your misdirected squeaky wheel Please hold your squeaking until the end of the winter.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +1

the gawker comment was tongue-in-cheek :-) also, I live in Wisconsin, winter ends sometime in July.

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CrasyMike Dec 3, 2010 +1

I have to wonder, working on your train of thought, Would Conde Nast give two shits about emails from users, asking to see what they can do about allocating more towards Listnook?

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +3

The best I can tell Conde Nast is a company ran by people who hate computers and are wondering why people aren't buying as many newspapers and magazines. The internet is something they don't understand and it only further confuses them. Essentially Conde Nast is ran by a bunch of grandmas.

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WorkingAtWork Dec 3, 2010 +4

To be fair, I don't think begging for donations via Listnook Gold really constitutes a solid business model. Maybe cut back on the "here's a duck instead of an advertisement" pictures that show up 9 times out of 10 on the sidebar? Just a thought.

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WorkingAtWork Dec 3, 2010 +5

Then they should put the effort going into Listnook Gold into finding advertisers who are willing to put ads in those spots. Shouldn't be hard to sell an audience this big. Seriously, I see some fluffy critter over there on about 80% of the pages with ads.

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jedberg Dec 4, 2010 +4

It's hard to sell because every time we do sell one, everyone starts bitching and moaning and whining about how we are selling out and harming the user experience blah blah blah.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +10

Do you also call it "begging" when a magazine charges a subscription fee?

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +12

How about the tens of thousands of iPhone apps that you can either get in limited form for free, or pay for a premium version? What about the fact that you can pay for an MLB.com subscription, or listen for free on the radio? Or how Flickr will let you get a free account, or pay for a premium one? Are they all beggars too?

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +7

> No because those other entities offer tangible benefits for subscribing. Flickr lets you store more than some set number of photos. We let you view more than some set number of comments. The Scrabble app I'm using on my phone right now has precisely one feature that you get for paying: it turns off the ads. Listnook gold lets you turn off our ads. So again, what makes us charity but those other guys not?

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wauter Dec 5, 2010 +1

> because there is nothing it offers that would substantially change/improve someone's use of it. This was perhaps correct in the very first round when they asked 'give us gold and we'll see what we can do with it', but by now Gold really gives you some cool features, like seeing more comments, sorting your own stuff in more ways, adding notes to friends to remind you why you made them friends, etc ...

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WorkingAtWork Dec 6, 2010 +1

There is a clear distinction between the free versions of those and the full-featured pay versions, whereas Listnook Gold gives you access to /r/lounge and a little trophy graphic on your profile. This is obviously a very emotional issue for you, and I am not saying that you're some sort of "filthy vagabonds that should take their Conde Nast stipends and like it, damn it." The original Listnook Gold post was you guys essentially saying "Please please please spare us some pocket change so we can keep the doors open, and we promise you'll get something in return someday!!!" That is, in fact, begging, and my only point is that begging users to give you something for nothing (in the sense that they already have access to the site without paying) is not a sustainable business model that will ever push you guys into a solid financial position. It also looks really bad, at least in my opinion, that a for-profit company backed by one of the largest media corporations in the entire world is begging its users for donations. There's a ton of different approaches you could take to try to turn things around. You could make Listnook Gold a full-blown service worthy of charging a fee for. You could increase advertising on the pages. You could do all sorts of things, all of which have their pros and their cons. But as it stands, yes, you're begging the users to funnel you money for nothing in return.

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raldi Dec 6, 2010 +1

Let's ignore all listnook gold features except the one that lets you turn off ads. How is that any less legitimate a business model than any of the thousands of iPhone apps that you can either get for free with ads or pay for without ads? Also, please don't make wild guesses about what is and isn't a sustainable business model. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't released our listnook gold revenue numbers, nor what percentage of our expenses it covers.

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Bit_4 Dec 4, 2010 +3

I don't think your ideas listed in the first part of your post are very good. >Be able to start sublistnooks We can already do that for free; if they took that away from the majority of users, the nonsubscribed ones, not only would there be a huge backlash but it would also cripple one of the fundamental functions of the site (sub-listnooks). >Advertise at a reduced rate Any and all advertisers could just buy a gold account and use the d*******, which would end up costing listnook more money in lost ad revenue than it would gain in gold money. >Instant karma due to being attached to a credit card and private details that can enable listnook to give backlash to those that do bad things You should get extra karma because the admins could potentially "give backlash" if you do something bad? What are they going to do beyond what they'd do to a nonsubscriber? If you're doing something that would require them to use your private details to punish you, you're probably doing something that would merit legal action, so why should you be rewarded? >At times of high demand when things are crashing out the people that do not have gold would be severly limited to access and gold members would always have access and never recieve a listnook is under heavy load page I have no comment on this one; I would be interested to read the admin's thoughts on this. Also, >I never said listnook was begging. [You did](http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/efpn0/listnook_gold_gift_clistnooks_are_now_for_sale/c17rc49): >I don't think *begging* for donations via Listnook Gold really constitutes a solid business model.

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nailz1000 Dec 4, 2010 +1

My magazines don't come to my mailbox on fire or torn up.

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raldi Dec 4, 2010 +3

And they're never a day late, or have a damaged cover, or a misprint? I don't see why the fact that our uptime is less than 100.00% suddenly makes us beggars.

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nailz1000 Dec 4, 2010 +1

I'm not calling you beggars, I'm saying your product is currently more like a gremlin than a camery.

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WorkingAtWork Dec 6, 2010 +1

They're two entirely different situations, with two entirely different presentations, and you know it. Magazines are also totally bloated with advertisements in order to make a profit.

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gigitrix Dec 3, 2010 +4

I^Can^Superscript^Like^Mad^and^I^Don't^Have^Gold

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +14

great, so there is NO benefit to gold. /r/lounge is mirrored at /r/circlejerk anyways.

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AgainstClint Dec 3, 2010 +1

Just wanted to say that you argued a point without resorting to name calling, belittling people and focused on the argument at hand. Good going, even if I don't fully agree with your stance, it's nice to see someone talk about it without just saying, "LOL LISTNOOK SUX. NO $ FOR YOU". On that note, I just feel it takes time. Do I wish Conde would finally opened up their eyes and let Listnook be its on thing? Totally. Are there people in Conde that feel the same way? Probably. They are a business, they are all about the allmighty dollar. I give the guys of Listnook some major props because it's gotta be difficult the keep a site like this functioning with only four people. Hell, we have two servers here and we have myself and someone else just to maintain those. I'm defending them, though not saying you shouldn't question them either. If people argued more like you on Listnook, it would be an even more awesome place. So good job sir, thanks for the great read and keeping me from doing real work.

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superdug Dec 3, 2010 +1

further into the nest of comments I resort to name calling though, so it didn't last long

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KineticSolution Dec 3, 2010 +8

::Slow clap::

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lolinyerface Dec 3, 2010 +2

::Extremely fast clap::

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varzan Dec 3, 2010 +6

::Single clap after you guys stopped clapping just to get the last clap::

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egglumber Dec 4, 2010 +2

::Single clap after your clap to be the "last clap" champion::

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +1

This was my first thought. I've read messages in the past from admins talking about how some special server they use allows them to dynamically allocate resources in case of heavy load. Now I get accused of breaking the site every hour or so. :( I checked a blog post recently relating to the site being down. The admins blamed it on some random error, mentioning the server sent them a message in the middle of the night that shit was broke. They claimed to have fixed the glitch. I don't think they actually did because that was when I started noticing the site being down constantly. :\

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wauter Dec 5, 2010 +1

Wait, what? Is the superscript formatting a gold only thing? How do you do that? d^Like^^^^^^^^ Edit: Ok cool found it :-)

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superdug Dec 5, 2010 +2

how^do^I^do^What

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +326

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WiIIis Dec 3, 2010 +115

Brace for massive ironic upvotes.

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ggggbabybabybaby Dec 3, 2010 +70

I was upvoting Rossoneri while he was still in the negatives. But now he's all mainstream.

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krispykrackers Dec 3, 2010 +19

Pfft, I was a dumbass on vinyl once in Seattle.

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ggggbabybabybaby Dec 3, 2010 +23

While I was in Portland, I got "IRONY" (with quotes) tattooed on my ankle in Comic Sans.

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krispykrackers Dec 3, 2010 +17

I got "Fe^26" tattooed on my patella.

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ThatsItGuysShowsOver Dec 3, 2010 +10

If I admit I have a crush on you, even after everything you have said above, will you gift me a gold clistnook? :)

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krispykrackers Dec 3, 2010 +9

umm... that's sweet but it feels a little bit like prostitution...

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ThatsItGuysShowsOver Dec 3, 2010 +9

I am ready to get pimped if it's a clistnook.

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jedberg Dec 3, 2010 +8

Poser.

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krispykrackers Dec 3, 2010 +12

Pfft, I was a poser back in the early 90's even before "wannabe's" were around.

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WiIIis Dec 3, 2010 +8

Leave. The Spice Girls. OUT OF THIS.

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alang Dec 4, 2010 +2

Even [Bible Spice](http://www.flickr.com/photos/thedayhascome/2908696342/)?

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +15

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bdogm Dec 3, 2010 +8

Backward 'd'?! How'd you do that?

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myotheralt Dec 3, 2010 +12

you have to mirror the q ʎon ɥɐʌǝ ʇo ɯıɹɹoɹ ʇɥǝ b

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +30

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glemnar Dec 3, 2010 +14

I'm sad to say it took almost 4 seconds for me to understand why he was a dumbass.

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RaineGirl Dec 4, 2010 +2

It took me two minutes *and* googling 'clistnook'.

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wiiatt Dec 4, 2010 +3

*Just* like a woman.

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FourForty Dec 3, 2010 +3

Why did you have coffee in your nose?

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internetsuperstar Dec 3, 2010 +7

I've disregarded that. You suck cocks.

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ani625 Dec 3, 2010 +52

I can gift this to my girlfriend.. ..time to figure out how to get one.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +25

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anonymous1 Dec 3, 2010 +56

Hey everybody! This girlfriend's boyfriend wants the boyfriend's girlfriend's boyfriend to get credit for a clistnook on listnook because the girlfriend's boyfriend commented requesting listnook clistnook for the boyfriend's girlfriend.

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Rooster_Ties Dec 3, 2010 +8

**Oh, honestly now, who just read this out loud??** >>Hey everybody! This girlfriend's boyfriend wants the boyfriend's girlfriend's boyfriend to get credit for a clistnook on listnook because the girlfriend's boyfriend commented requesting listnook clistnook for the boyfriend's girlfriend.

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ThisIsADumbQuestion Dec 3, 2010 +18

Any chance I could get in on that action too?

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enkideridu Dec 3, 2010 +7

I wonder how many people would even try to parse that.. \*upvotes and leaves\*

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Shinhan Dec 3, 2010 +2

Its actually pretty easy to buy gold gift clistnooks.

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Player-Hater Dec 3, 2010 +2

This is so bullshit. Why doesn't anyone gift me clistnooks?

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cheesemoo Dec 3, 2010 +2

Don't hate the player; hate the game.

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computermatt Dec 3, 2010 +2

Because of you I just lost the game

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ggggbabybabybaby Dec 3, 2010 +5

You guys should just skip ahead to the only logical conclusion and start offering out Clistnook Cards.

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TrollOnTheRun Dec 3, 2010 +10

Really? Advertising listnook gold less than a day after the site could barely manage to stay up for more than 30 minutes at a time? This shit is getting ridiculous. FIX THE SITE if you want people to pay for it. People don't want to hear a techno babble bullshit excuse about why it's breaking they want it TO WORK. But apparently that's too hard for your "crack team" to make happen. My suggestion would be to resign your posts and let some more qualified people take over. Sorry, I know this is a bit of a rant, but we're all tired of the shit.

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argonaute Dec 3, 2010 +2

Read comment. Got pissed, prepared reply, then checked username. Well played.

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BeInThisMoment Dec 3, 2010 +3

Good idea. Hopefully this will get you guys enough $$$ to aid to the overload problem.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +18

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perezidentt Dec 4, 2010 +1

F***, I knew I should have applied to more places so I could afford listnook gold. I even thought about spoofing my headers to make the site think I was another user, it's probably authentication based though and that would be wrong.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +6

You guys must really need some cash to raise Raldi's lion child.

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aw2buffer Dec 3, 2010 +8

They should also sell monocles in the store.

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +2

"I hope instead of a tip, you'll appreciate this donation to Listnook in your name."

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sfx Dec 3, 2010 +8

Is there anyway to refuse gift clistnooks?

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jace319 Dec 3, 2010 +5

Related: does gifting yourself the credit work? Because if it does, the credit system would be more flexible than the regular method.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +5

we'll find out in a minute.

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sfx Dec 3, 2010 +3

Um...okay.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +7

you got a trophy for gold now... did you accept or did it go automatically? in advance, thank you for your contribution to science today.

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sfx Dec 3, 2010 +5

I was automatic, unfortunately.

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +6

Guess you have to delete your account now.

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sfx Dec 3, 2010 +2

Or just not use Listnook Gold?

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[deleted] Dec 4, 2010 +1

I'm disappointed that the admins didn't address this before now. It should have been caught when they were testing it. Allowing anyone to come along and modify someone else's account without their consent is a terrible idea. There needs to be a way to opt out of this c***.

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abashore Dec 3, 2010 +2

Does this mean I can finally tangibly express my love for clever novelty accounts?

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kobescoresagain Dec 4, 2010 +2

Cannot wait until these hit the gonewild section!

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[deleted] Dec 3, 2010 +6

Give the gift of bandwidth.

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thecaptainjs Dec 3, 2010 +2

Remind me what we get again for being gold?

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blazemaster Dec 3, 2010 +10

A smug sense of entitlement.

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kamokow Dec 3, 2010 +4

And a neat little trophy, you can't forget the trophy.

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SC_reference Dec 4, 2010 +1

So, if I can't get this for free forever (plausible, likely against a 4 gate) what does a life-time gold account cost? Can we get this shit over with? I thought if I had the gold minerals I had the match in my pocket. Fix it? Now? Please?

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40percent Dec 7, 2010 +1

I bought the clistnooks via paypall. I don't see any way to use them. Can someone please help a dumbass? I'll give you a month of gold if you show me how to give you a month of gold.

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capt_0bvious Dec 3, 2010 +1

Seriously...what does listnook gold do?

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Subduction Dec 4, 2010 +1

Let's make a deal -- if I have three days in a row uninterrupted by a heavy load/broke/50whatever error, then I'll buy a listnook gold sub both for myself and someone else.

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paulfromatlanta Dec 30, 2010 +1

I'm all for supporting Listnook... but what started as spontaneous a way to show support is turning very organized and commercial/

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magmatize Dec 3, 2010 +2

At first I was all "they can't even spell credits?" And then I was like "I love you more than ever redit." eddit: speling

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guggabump Dec 3, 2010 +1

Unless i'm missing it, there's nothing on that page that tells me what a gold credit is. What is a gold credit?

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blackyoda Dec 3, 2010 +1

This is so amazing I just shit myself and am breathlessly awaiting someone to give me the gift of listnook gold!

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kimikat Dec 10, 2010 +1

I got some clistnooks and clicked to redeem them, but nothing has happened. How long does it take?

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Poromenos Dec 3, 2010 +1

Hey, did my Greek postcard arrive yet, and was it the first Greek one?!?!

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jedberg Dec 3, 2010 +2

If you didn't get the month of gold, then no, it hasn't yet. :)

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CrasyMike Dec 3, 2010 +2

I've got one in progress! Finding postcards is surprisingly hard. You'd think somewhere in an entire mall would sell them. I might just have to draw something stupid.

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jedberg Dec 3, 2010 +3

You need to go to your local tourist trap and then find the Walmart or whatever and get one c****. :)

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CrasyMike Dec 3, 2010 +1

I was hoping the dollar store across the street from my work would have one but nope. I will find something!

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CrasyMike Dec 3, 2010 +1

No worries! I am determined, I will find a good one. It's just weird how few places sell them anymore.

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raldi Dec 3, 2010 +2

We would **love** something artistic.

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zygoust Dec 4, 2010 +1

Can I present these at the Fort Knox reception desk...? Then sign me up!

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