Listnook's new signup experience

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I've already managed to snipe one of these, and subscribed to animals being jerks. To unsub, I have to go to the sublistnook and do it there. **Feature request**: A second Click of the check mark, that appears after subscribing, unsubscribes you from that sub.

Too bad non-English speaking country subs are now no longer geodefaulted, they'll hardly ever show up on /popular, nor are they included in the discovery tool. So r/theNetherlands (after our Canadian friends the biggest country sub on listnook) goes from automatic subscriptions to being completely invisible to new dutch users...

Is there an easy undo button if I accidentally click on it? It seems like a hassle to unsubscribe from something if you screw up and have to load the sublistnook up to unsubscribe.

Thanks for this update /u/simbawulf! At a little more granular level am I correct in my understanding of the current flow of information? User|Landing if directed to www.listnook.com|Landing if directed to www.listnook.com/r/popular|Landing if directed to www.listnook.com/r/all -|-|-|- No Account|/r/popular|/r/popular|/r/all Brand new user|New user tutorial page to guide to subscribe to at least 1 sublistnook.|/r/popular|/r/all User subscribed to at least 1 sublistnook|Listnook home as it is now, that shows a multilistnook of up to 100 sublistnooks they are subscribed to at a time.|/r/popular|/r/all Will /r/all still be a thing, but not advertised? I don't see it in the top bar as shown.

Can I turn off the subscribe button? I find them intrusive, there's a reason I'm not subscribed to those subs. Oh, and they're on /r/all too.

I think this is a step in the right direction, but the emphasis on sublistnook signups on /r/popular tells me that listnook is stuck on an old and, I believe, incorrect model of site usage. I'll explain. For logged-out and new users, you want to present your best guess for what sublistnooks an average user will want to see. Landing on /r/popular is exactly the right thing: users see every sublistnook, except those that want to be filtered and those that users filter above some rate. Using blacklists instead of a whitelist plays to listnook's strength: the amazing variety of communities. Another strength of listnook is the rate at which novel communities form, and /r/popular allows viewers to see new communities as soon as they become popular--without admin intervention. This leaves what subblistnooks to show logged-in users. Without user intervention, this should still be /r/popular: after all, it's your best guess and you don't have any extra information yet. Right now, the model appears to be: * sign up * while browsing /r/popular, subscribe to lots of sublistnooks * switch to listnook.com at some point This has the same problems for logged-in users that the old frontpage had for non-logged-in users: even with dozens of subscriptions, it only covers a fraction of the site and it doesn't react well to new community development. It also creates a huge barrier to entry: creating a decent sublistnook collection might take dozens or hundreds of clicks. I think a better model is to encourage users to begin with a good starting point (/r/popular) and then gradually modify it to fit their tastes by adding and removing sublistnooks. Adding is a no-brainer: a user's subscription to a sitewide-filtered subblistnook should cause it to show up on /r/popular for them anyway. Subtraction presumably requires more work, but I think it should be a core listnook feature. Sublistnook filtering should be promoted to the same prominence and usability as sublistnook subscription: the same list should filter both /r/all and /r/popular, it shouldn't be limited to just 100 entries, and it should have the same UI as for subscription: a "filter" button both beneath each post on /r/popular and on each sublistnook page and a central page to manage a user's filtered sublistnooks. In this model, "subscribe" links beneath each post on /r/popular aren't nearly as useful: there's never a reason to switch to listnook.com, so subscription does nothing to sublistnooks a user is already seeing on /r/popular. **TL;DR:** I'm proposing the following model: * New users go to /r/popular, before and after signup * Users remove sublistnooks from their /r/popular by filtering from links below each post on /r/popular * Users add (sitewide-filtered) sublistnooks to their /r/popular by subscribing from links on the sublistnooks' homepages

This look really cool! A couple of questions: 1. Will the subscribe buttons only show on actual unsubscribed sublistnooks? I know there was a bug with user profiles where it wasn't accurate because of the 100 sub limit for the page. 2. Will previous "default" subs be considered subscribed automatically? Or do we have to subscribe to them manually now? 3. Can you add /r/DCFU to the recommendations in the tutorial page? [I'm asking for a friend of course.](http://i.imgur.com/5XJEpqv.gifv)

Will the in line subscription buttons work on the mobile app?

Will people who are already signed up be grandfathered in and still have all the defaults subbed to?

Question about your process: Did you guys test this onboarding flow in the wild? Or is the goal to commit to it and then optimize?

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>Many years ago, we realized that it was difficult for new listnookors to discover the rich content that existed on the site Strange, I've been here 6 years, mostly surfing logged out to avoid the echo chamber effect, and the quality of content of the front page is the same trash we used to make fun of ifunny and all those other vapid sites for. So I've tried to combat that by falling into my echo chamber I tried to avoid , the thing is, it seems like the new users in those subs came to listnook for the shitposts that cover r/popular, and now there is a real quality issue in subs that have always attracted people that want to read a long article, learn something just for the sake of learning, or any of those things with more substance than a jpeg of a frog with some text overlaid over it. Let me be clear, this is not a response to listnook being hyper-politicized, I personally see value in it and am stimulated by it, this is purely a response to the very apparent change of feel to the site. I understand if your target market has changed, so will you just be clear with us, is the goal of this site just to produce the most clicks now, or is there still some interest in being an effective and efficient online information sharing community, or honestly, any care to what kind of community you are creating?

So one the one hand, this is neat! Hopefully it will be an improved experience for users, allowing them to find the right 'niche' on the site. On the other though, I'd like to raise a major concern I have from the Moderation end, namely regarding views and visitors. This is potentially a HUGE change in traffic patterns for many sublistnooks, and as about/traffic remains broken, Mods don't have a good way to track that impact. The implementation of Views on threads is a start, but short of painstaking manual tabulation, that serves little use for a macro view of traffic changes. This has been a known issue for a long time, and I have heard in the past that it is 'being worked on', but there has been no explicit timetable on the fix, and it very disappointing to see something like this get rolled out before traffic monitoring for moderators is working properly. So... *when will /about/traffic be working properly!?*

I like it, but I REALLY dislike that '+' icon, it's really distracting. The worst part is that subs you're not subscribed to are in bold and in a darker shade of blue, bringing your eyes to the sublistnook name instead of the rest of the post. Edit: thanks for the gold, and have a nice day, anonymous :)

Does this mean that the onboarding process from the mobile app is coming to desktop too?

Can we please get more than 100 exclusions from /r/all? at least for listnook gold members? Feel free to look at my exclusions - they fall into a few major categories (sports, memes, etc), but there are so many sublistnooks popping up for each that I can't exclude them all with only 100 exclusions. Really, sublistnook categories/tags would be far better, so I could exclude "NBA team sublistnooks" instead of excluding them individually.

The default sublistnook /r/TwoXChromosomes recently implemented a **mass banwave** of users if they posted on other sublistnooks the TwoX mods don't approve of. This is a direct violation of listnook's community rules. https://np.listnook.com/r/CommunityDialogue/comments/5ir2wq/so_heres_whats_really_really_really_going_on/ All attempts at communication with admins regarding this issue has yielded no reply. Can we get some form of acknowledgement that the admins are aware of this issue?   EDIT: [more details](https://np.listnook.com/r/ListnookCensors/comments/6c5mpw/rtwoxchromosomes_proactively_banning_again/).

Can we have a minus button to filter the subs? I don't want to see some foreign language subs or r/peoplefuckingdying, etc. The "100" was rapidly taken up by p*** and political subs.

I felt a great disturbance in the defaults, as if millions of mods suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

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Wonder how this will affect subs that have been relying on the karma from being default without trying to moderate in a way that encourages quality content. Looking at you r/pics, r/gaming, r/funny etc.

I might ask, is there any chance that spammy political subs will be taken off of /r/popular to make the browsing experience a little more.... Tolerable?

Will Listnook ever implement any transparency for sublistnook modding? Currently a mod can delete and censure any opinion they disagree with, and claim that they've never deleted anything. Will a sublistnook log of deleted comments and banned users ever be available?

How long until you enforce the vote manipulation rule? Day old subs with 10 subscribers keep using bots to push posts to the front page to bypass filters and not a peep had been said by the admins about it.

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So is this dropping defaults completely then?

Can someone explain to me the purpose of /r/popular? As far as I can tell, it acts as a strictly worse /r/all. It's /r/all minus the customization and by having some sublistnooks that might interest you (like league of legends f.ex.) off by default.

Can we expect filtering from /r/popular anytime soon? The million anti-trump subs are just as terrible as the Trump subs at this point.

Why is there admin feedback on every top comment except the ones regarding political spamming of /r/all and the censorship by /r/TwoXChromosomes?

Does the tutorial page have a yes/no option for if you're just creating yet another p*** alt, so you can be directed to quality NSFW subs instead of having to sift through all this other junk?

please make it easier to filter out subs from r/popular im so tired of having to constantly see hitler and school shooting memes

Damn, there goes my dream of /r/IsItButter becoming a default as it rightly deserved.

The **BOLD** is far too much for the in-line subscription buttons on /r/all or /r/popular. It draws your eye more than even the submission titles themselves. Please tone it back significantly, or better yet, give options to customize how it looks.

THIS IS AWESOME... the defaults are just far, far too mainstream and it makes the default Listnook look like a tabloid site. I'd say a great idea is to throw in a few random sublistnooks to mix up the experience for each user. Maybe land them on their IP-determined state or city sublistnook. That said, this change will have huge, huge effects on the site. This is an interesting time for Listnook. I hope what happens is positive and not another Digg 3.0. C***, 1885 comments, why am I posting, no one will see this.

If you had a better search functionality you could ask them what they like and then recommend to them sublistnooks based on those likes.

Hi, My problem with /r/popular is that there are a lot of low quality sublistnooks and clone of thems. There are like multiple sublistnook about animals. For example I want to read more quality sublistnook (science) programming etc. But popular sublistnook at least most of them are gifs, images and memes.

Love it.. Love it... But alright I'll ask... Can we get a popular for NSFW sublistnook... For research? (this would be a version of popular for only NSFW sublistnooks not a combination of both.)

Good. The quality of the default subs was pretty low. Low quality subsmisions were constantly upvoted and given praise by ignorant (looking at you /r/food -- When someone makes a stew in a frying pan and calls it "stir fry" it should be downvoted, not praised. Praising mediocirity impacts overall quality by lowering expectations. People should strive for excellence, instead we get "well, this is how my mom made it so it must be good, I'll upvotte and say it looks delicious!")

CTRL+F'd to see how many instances of "***Trump***" I could find in this, wasn't disappointed. It's my new game - I find a post that has nothing to do with ***Trump*** and see how many times "***Trump***" pops up, then I drink. I developed cirrhosis of the liver exactly 7 months ago

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Excellent. The best way to kill the toxicity of the default subs is to get rid of default subs.

I don't like to have an empty page at listnook.com I don't want to subscribe to any subs, as I like to just read popular or visit the other subs I'm interested in manually. (For example I want to see the whole frontpage of r/lol, not just a small part of them on my personal front page mixed in with other stuff that I might be more or less interested in.) I just don't see the benefit in subscribing. And because of that now it bugs me that I always have to navigate over that empty page. Go to listnook, click popular. 100 times a day an extra click on that small button in the corner. Me, I'd like to just be lead to popular automatically, like it does for logged out users. Yeah I get that you want to encourage people to sub to some subs once they made an account, it just bugs me personally. Maybe it's not just me but some amount of people who don't want to personalize their experience.

[What's with the ads?](http://i.imgur.com/Oi9OiRA.png)

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Listnook should add a feature when signing up that says something like ''what are your interests?'', you type in sports, favourite bands, movies, games etc and the site recommends sublistnooks based off your interests to get you started.

Guys, #END THE USER PROFILE THING

Too bad popular has been spammed by dozens of filter evading subs. These subs pop up and are pushed to the top by bots faster than they can be removed.