“He who controls the spice controls the universe.”
F Herbert Dune
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jefe_hookApr 2, 2026
+4190
He who controls the Epstein Files controls the United States.
4190
SloboticApr 2, 2026
+205
"The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." Kash Patel
205
somedelightfulmoronApr 2, 2026
+92
I DOUBT he said something this profound lol
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alexefiApr 2, 2026
+39
he is podcaster, he sure know some fancy quotes. he just uses them incorrectly most likely.
39
lurksAtDogsApr 2, 2026
+8
In this case, he was referring to a six pack
8
CaveMantaApr 2, 2026
+46
Bless the maker and his oil.
46
Legitimate-Wash-6336Apr 2, 2026
+358
The only correct answer
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GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOTApr 2, 2026
+82
the files pass to his next of kin, carly rae jepstein
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AlcibiadesTheCatApr 2, 2026
+69
Hey I just met you
And this is crazy
You’re on my island
And you’re a baby
69
boogs_23Apr 2, 2026
+54
Please don't link Canadian pop icon Carly Rae Jepsen to those monsters.
54
floydianvergilApr 2, 2026
+23
Beautiful username
23
VilleKivinenApr 2, 2026
+361
"The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it"
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Pornalt190425Apr 2, 2026
+107
Thats the real quote for this situation. And a thinly veiled allegory for oil in the middle east to boot
More things change, the more they stay the same
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KevtronApr 2, 2026
+83
Frank Herbert explained that CHOAM was OPEC and that Water was Oil.
>The scarce water of Dune is an exact analog of oil scarcity. CHOAM is OPEC.
http://00480d9.netsolhost.com/news/genesis.html
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Asclepius-RodApr 2, 2026
+75
Yeah it’s not thinly veiled in the slightest, more of a direct allegory lol
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OtakuMechaApr 2, 2026
+15
Yeah I mean the Fremen are so clearly inspired by the Bedouins and the series frequently invokes Arabic/Islamic terms. It would be hard to be any less subtle without directly saying it.
15
1738_bestgirlApr 2, 2026
+6
Paul being name Muhammad would be about it
6
Successful-Diver8961Apr 2, 2026
+28
Seriously I just commented this 3 days ago:
>Frank pulled a Bradbury and insisted CHOAM was OPEC but water was the oil, not spice. His 'special interest' in botany and de-desertification engineering was a strange organism to breed with his prototype story focusing more conventionally on the nature of the spice drug addiction and planetary politics as dress-up of the conduct of nation states.
>I suspect his real appeal to the flower children of mind-expanding experiences was his own dabbling in peyote and the translation of his hallucinogenic drug trip into the description of Paul's experience with the spice and the nature of higher consciousness. With this framing it becomes clear why he would prefer water and its scarcity-driving human development as the equivalent to geopolitical "oil", though it's a strange marriage.
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The_AutarchApr 2, 2026
+27
naw, there are multiple levels of allegory going on.
for the empire as a whole, spice = oil. but on arrakis itself, water = oil.
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Pornalt190425Apr 2, 2026
+11
I mean Herbert can say he intended water scarcity as oil scarcity, but water is not the item that enables interstellar travel and commerce in universe. His intent comes across in just the microcosm of Arrakis in the first half of the story, but by the conclusion the galaxy wide importance of spice access is abundantly clear.
It is very hard to argue that for the imperium at large spice is not their functional equivalent of oil. Without the limited prescience spice grants a guild navigator they cannot safely transit fold space. Humanity would be limited to much slower modes of travel if they cannot use Holtzman drives and all of the imperium's commerce and travel would functionally grind to a halt. Additionally CHOAM is not the water cartel on Arrakis. It controls interplanetary commerce not intraplanetary commerce
11
ChiiApr 2, 2026
+6
wait, why water and not spice?
6
ShawwnzyApr 2, 2026
+25
Turns out when you give a people exactly two options: complete subjugation by Imperial powers or Jihad, they pick Jihad.
25
Rasples1998Apr 2, 2026
+181
Let's see; disgusting fat lump of flesh, fucks kids, has a crush on his own daughter, aspirations to rule the world, believes that might is right, and has the backing of all the major US companies...
Holy shit, he's Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
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anhydrousslimApr 2, 2026
+122
He even named his kid Baron!
122
Taldarim_HighlordApr 2, 2026
+24
If only it's Feyd-Rautha to be even more on point.
24
Show-Me-Your-MovesApr 2, 2026
+21
One of the techbros will launch a company called Sardaukar, insisting they were the good guys
21
Taldarim_HighlordApr 2, 2026
+17
Nothing is sacred to these people. Herbert, Tolkien, and god knows who else, would be rolling in their graves from these fucks taking and defiling their works with these shite.
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EisnApr 2, 2026
+19
The Baron was actually a very competent schemer. Trump is like the dime-store version.
19
wahoozermanApr 2, 2026
+138
Man.
If only we had invested in green energy to kick our dependence on fossil fuels and eliminated the petro-nations' soft power over the world economy. Maybe we even could have been the dominant force in green science and tech and sold that energy independence globally.
But who could possibly have foreseen that?
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farnsw0rthApr 2, 2026
+54
It fuckin kills me
I lived in a very sunny and windy place that also booms and busts on oil extraction
If they just invested their boom money into renewables like wind and solar, they could be a global leader in that tech like right now. Bonus: you don’t need a pipeline or a tanker to sell tech and knowledge. It’s so stupid.
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TheHumaneCentipede2Apr 2, 2026
+20
Hello fellow Albertan (?)
20
farnsw0rthApr 2, 2026
+9
Shh don’t tell anyone
Edit: and like, whatever. The fuckin oil companies themselves could do it. If it’s fear of BiG gOvErNmEnT it would just make sense for the companies to branch out. It’s not THE sunniest place or THE windiest place but it’s HUGE. Calgary alone is so rife with urban sprawl the amount of available rooftops is insane
9
iwrestledarockonceApr 2, 2026
+72
The US IS a Petronation, USD is the reserve currency for trading oil. We produce more crude than any of these countries. We're the reason there hasn't been a green revolution in the West. China are the ones doing what you're suggesting. Even the Saudis are diversifying their oil economy. We are our own worst enemy because we let the oil companies lead us around by the f****** nose.
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SowingSaltApr 2, 2026
+3
The USD is a reserve currency for trading period, non-oil dollar sales dwarf the oil sales may times over.
3
CptFalcon556Apr 2, 2026
+53
My Gulf, My Straight, My oil
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Wild_Haggis_HunterApr 2, 2026
+12
We. Want. Your. Soul.
12
stupid-headApr 2, 2026
+18
Never forget the golden rule
whoever has the gold makes the rules
18
theweekendwolfApr 2, 2026
+20
Trump does look like a orange harkonen
20
SomenakedguyApr 2, 2026
+9
Just now realized that a throwaway line from Rick and Morty S1 is referencing this quote. “He who controls the pants controls the galaxy”
I don’t know why I felt like sharing this
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MithrandirLogicApr 2, 2026
+1729
I love how we (USA) f’d up the strait, never had a plan to fix the mess we made, and now are at the “well you all need to figure this out yourselves” end game.
Astounding
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GustomuchoApr 2, 2026
+736
Don't forget you gave Russia billions by lifting sanctions on Russian Oil.
736
GriffolionApr 2, 2026
+458
It made Ukraine go "fine I'll do it myself" and they ended up kinetically sanctioning a major export terminal that the Russians didn't think Ukraine could hit.
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AppendixNApr 2, 2026
+132
Kinetic sanctioning is my new favorite phrase, thanks.
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muricabrbApr 2, 2026
+10
When direct action is needed.
10
yoloswagroflApr 2, 2026
+177
> kinetically sanctioning
"Mommm I didn't punch him in the face, I kinetically sanctioned him!"
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ChillersApr 2, 2026
+29
I think thats the game plan all along, put significant pressure on EU countries to drop sanctions on Russian Oil.
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MisterTruthApr 2, 2026
+33
The war has 3 goals: give Russia the ability to recover wealth by removing sanctions on their oil and making other oil more expensive, give Trump and his friends billions of dollars for manipulating the market, and to distract from the fact that Trump and friends r*** and murder children.
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ArtIsDumbApr 2, 2026
+7
Trump doesn't have friends. At best he has associates. His only friend "committed suicide" a few years back.
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dowdymeatballsApr 2, 2026
+140
With friends like these, huh?
This is likely the beginning of the end of the petro dollar, as well as the beginning of normalizing relations between Europe and Iran.
Not to mention, there is now a more hardline Supreme Leader and IRGC command, who likely will even further pivot towards ballistic missile development.
Oh, and let's not forget the gulf countries, basically up the creek without a paddle and potentially in for a rough ride and could be overthrown in the near future.
Mission accomplished! Great job.
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Sensitive-Deal3605Apr 2, 2026
+77
But we DID kill an 87 yr old leader with cancer! (Only to be replaced by his son. Probably would have happened on its own in a year)
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ManchurianMangoApr 2, 2026
+52
Dont forget the 140 innocent school girls, that sure showed them.
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e37d93eeb23335dcApr 2, 2026
+16
Trump loves to hurt girls.
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rd1970Apr 2, 2026
+6
It's amazing how fast the media forgot about them.
If this was in a Western country there'd still be front-page coverage across international news following the vigils, families impacted, etc.
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Decent-Law-9565Apr 2, 2026
+35
Even if their rulers manage to stay in power all of their soft power is now permanently gone.
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S_BelmontApr 2, 2026
+27
Iran's? they've already been under sanctions forever, their soft power is based on being the centre of the Shia Muslim world, that's not going anywhere.
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Decent-Law-9565Apr 2, 2026
+40
I was referring to the rest of the Gulf states. Dubai's real estate market is toast. Emirates will take a huge reputation hit as now people can't trust DXB to not get bombed and shut down. Same for Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
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IceteaAndCrispsApr 2, 2026
+20
Iran now controls 20% of the worlds oil, more than any other player. They can now decide to sanction whomever they like. Oh how the tun tables.
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Paper_Clip100Apr 2, 2026
+13
You talking about the US or Iran here...?
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RobertABooeyApr 2, 2026
+7
If this goes on any longer than a few months then you’ll start to see a massive shift in public support for electrification of our transportation systems I think
I’m already hearing from friends who were pretty set against electric that now they think we need to pivot hard.
7
JohnStamosAsABearApr 2, 2026
+47
Trump basically clogged the toilet taking a shit, flooded the bathroom and started telling everyone else they need to go clean it up.
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Minute-Struggle6052Apr 2, 2026
+28
Never play chess with a pigeon
They will shit on the board and strut around like they have won
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not_the_droidsApr 2, 2026
+51
The next step is to blame Europe for not spending more money on defense, when we have to spend an enormous amount of money to deal with the mess the US created.
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DownhillUphillApr 2, 2026
+23
Europe needs to spend money to protect themselves from the US
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Rotund-Pear2604Apr 2, 2026
+36
Economically speaking we're still reeling from the refugee crisis. An event ultimately triggered by...
*checks notes*
The US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Israel's wars with Lebanon from 2006 onwards destabilizing the Middle East, leading to the Arab Spring, the rise of ISIS and the Taliban regaining control over Afghanistan.
Millions of lives destroyed, dozens of countries struck by war, terrorism, crises.
But they got Osama though so it was all worth it.
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CareBearDontCareApr 2, 2026
+5
And that refugee crisis also sparked a rise in far Right politics in Europe and America, so we're just going to create another refugee crisis and, well, what actually *does* happen with those refugees? Just acceptable tactical losses?
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UcccafelatteApr 2, 2026
+11
> “well you all need to figure this out yourselves”
100% sure if they do figured it out trump won't be happy with it.
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EnthusiasmUnusualApr 2, 2026
+297
Trump just destabilised the region and is now going to leave and expect others to clear up his mess.
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thatguygregApr 2, 2026
+54
> expect others to clear up his mess.
Not even that -- he won't give it a single wandering thought unless he starts blaming Biden or perhaps Obama for it.
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FrozefootsApr 2, 2026
+645
How much oil does a tanker contain in terms of monetary value? Is $2 million for passage really disproportionate, or is it something worth seriously considering?
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SenorTronApr 2, 2026
+714
Larger tankers can carry 2-3 million barrels of oil. So it would add about a dollar to the price of each barrel of oil passing through.
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Wise_Mongoose_3930Apr 2, 2026
+165
Is the toll only for the larger tankers?
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bored_jurongApr 2, 2026
+173
Malaysian flagged vessels are not paying a toll
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Lazer726Apr 2, 2026
+121
I wonder how long before Trump declares that anyone that's given a pass to use the Strait is an enemy of the US and that we therefore have every right to rob their ships
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Infamous-Mixture-605Apr 2, 2026
+77
AFAIK, ships from Turkey, Pakistan, India, China, Thailand, Iraq, Russia, and Malaysia have been allowed through? That's what, four nuclear powers and a few other important NATO and non-NATO partners? Are those the folks who one should be robbing?
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throwaway1212lApr 2, 2026
+28
Trumpitler: YES! ARMY ROB SHIPS NOW!
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Ill_Emphasis3927Apr 2, 2026
+4
So far he's actually done the opposite and dropped sanctions on Iran because oil prices have exploded worldwide
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MrMahonyApr 2, 2026
+28
Tiba-tiba rasa Melayu
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Efficient_Visual_147Apr 2, 2026
+8
Takkan Melayu hilang di dunia
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tresslessoneApr 2, 2026
+21
Australia get its petrochemical products largely through Malysia, so... Onya mates.
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webuApr 2, 2026
+6
Pretty much all of the tankers that travel that route are the larger tankers
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Ym041994Apr 2, 2026
+45
Does Iran not also charge the empty ship coming back?
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ion-deez-nutsApr 2, 2026
+54
$2 per barrel of oil
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bushwak07Apr 2, 2026
+16
If I was a tanker crew and I was given green light to pass through why the hell would I want to come back only to risk being trapped again.
It does make me wonder if there's actually empty tankers wanting to pass through.
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Critical-Snow-7000Apr 2, 2026
+55
I highly doubt tanker crews have any say where the ship is going or doing.
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e37d93eeb23335dcApr 2, 2026
+6
And there are always people desperate for money willing to take jobs like this.
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Traditional_Lab_5468Apr 2, 2026
+10
Trump adds 5x that with a Truth Social 3am shitpost.
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Clumsy_triathleteApr 2, 2026
+23
Which is at current prices less than 1%, so well worth it.
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jjax2003Apr 2, 2026
+23
The problem is Iran can charge whatever they want. If this goes unchecked they can just keep raising the toll as they see fit. Who is going to stop them from charging 10million or more?
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Gerf93Apr 2, 2026
+22
If they charge disproportionally much, it’ll lead to future conflicts. This is how Denmark funded their wars in the Middle Ages. Which was eventually dismantled in a regional war supported by the Dutch trading empire.
It also incentivizes creating alternative outflows, like pipelines.
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Random_Name65468Apr 2, 2026
+50
Yeah, almost like antagonizing the country that de facto controls 20% of the world's oil trade through a very narrow chokepoint is a bad idea, whoda thunk?
Realistically it is impossible to open and keep the strait open by force. There is either a diplomatic solution (including possible tolls), or the strait stays closed if Iran wants it to stay closed. Mining it would be trivially simple, as would just launching c**** drones and dumb missiles. Even if they get intercepted by AA fire, that still makes merchant shipping at the very least a slow, dangerous, and risky proposition.
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xclameApr 2, 2026
+7
The more unreasonable they are the less likely people are to accept the deal. 1-2% of the value is reasonable and still gives Iran a LOT of money, it would come out to be about 1/5 of Iran's GDP which is crazy amounts of money for Iran to allow this.
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i_am_voldemortApr 2, 2026
+367
It's easily payable.
The cost will get passed on to consumers.
It will increase Iran's GDP by like 25%, too.
ART OF THE DEAL, FOLKS
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HotSauce2910Apr 2, 2026
+108
It also allows them to get in foreign currencies, and gives them *more* legitimacy if countries create bilateral deals with them
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Timey16Apr 2, 2026
+53
In fact, Iran actively threatens the Petrodollar by forcing the payments to happen in the Chinese Yuan.
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moan_of_the_arcApr 2, 2026
+9
Trump is virtually strengthening the regime lol
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CarRamRobApr 2, 2026
+47
It’s about 2%
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ArthurmanercatsirmanApr 2, 2026
+28
Will increase as a % share as the cost per barrel falls. The latter is really high right now for some reason
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PedosoKJApr 2, 2026
+20
What makes you think oil will come back down?
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TransBrandiApr 2, 2026
+29
Oil has historically had wild flucuations. Definitely not one of those things where the price just goes up and never comes down. See the price of oil back in 2008 for example.
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thirstyrossApr 2, 2026
+18
during covid they had nowhere to put the oil (bc demand dropped right off) and were effectively giving it away to anyone with storage, everyone just forgot about this??
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HalbarasApr 2, 2026
+7
If it stays too high for long enough, demand destruction is inevitable. Less people fly, some people drive less or work from home more, some economic activity just declines, and renewable build outs and consumer solar and EV purchases accelerate. Some jurisdictions will be forced to implement things like four day work weeks or reduced speed limits to conserve fuel.
Eventually prices fall again and oil company windfalls vanish, but the economic damage is a lot slower to reverse.
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Carbonated__CoffeeApr 2, 2026
+39
About 215 Million USD, the supertankers carry about 2 million barrels of oil.
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FrozefootsApr 2, 2026
+69
So less than 1% at the moment?
I dunno I think I’d just pay that toll tbh.
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d_pyroApr 2, 2026
+86
Exactly what Iran was thinking.
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manebushinApr 2, 2026
+61
They can even call it the Trump Toll
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leberwrustApr 2, 2026
+16
Hand out some trump i did that stickers for every purchase.
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vipwApr 2, 2026
+7
Trump just wants to find an Iranian general who will split the toll with him. There are even US marines on the way to help collect the tolls.
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jebolbocorApr 2, 2026
+17
Iran wants everyone to resent the orange man every time they fill their gas. By setting a higher toll, people will be grumpy but will not be doing massive riots that will bring problems to their governments. TACO will suffer massive disapproval number and will soon drag the whole USA reputation down with him.
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thirstyrossApr 2, 2026
+11
> will soon drag the whole USA reputation down with him.
that part already happened.
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not_from_this_worldApr 2, 2026
+4
That's what everyone is thinking. At this point those who still refuse do it, do so more to not anger Trump than anything else.
4
EngineeringLow3345Apr 2, 2026
+32
According to google a large tanker can transport ~2 million barrels, current market price 109USD per barrel = total value ~218 million usd, 2 mil fee /218 total tanker oil value ≈ 0.92% price, roundup to 1% increased cost
Bear in mind this % increases as the cost of oil decreases
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Aria_AthenaApr 2, 2026
+32
It's a precedent we can't allow to take place, freedom of navigation and all. It can spiral completely out of control. At the same time, force is not needed. Without the US/Israel bombing, there isn't much bargaining friction. A long time ago, couple of months back, they used to be open.
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ManchurianMangoApr 2, 2026
+10
It used to be open then US fucked it up. I dont think Iran will allow free passage after all that unless Trump apologizes which we all know isnt going to happen.
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Dark_World_BluesApr 2, 2026
+24
There are 3 countries at the waters of the strait. Iran claimed that the strait belongs to it, including the waters at UAE and Oman and wants to charge the world for using it without Oman's approval or UAE's approval.
So, a country like Kuwait or Bahrain that build oil facilities, buy expensive equipment, pay salaries for many employees and spend a lot of time to extract the oil, and Iran gets a cut of that just to not shoot the ships carrying it. Kuwait and Bahrain has no alternative sea routes than to pass through the strait.
Charging ships will increase the price of the product for the rest of the world. Besides, Iran isn't allowing the other countries in the region to use it no matter what.
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LizardWizards_Apr 2, 2026
+1802
He's not wrong. The entire world is suffering because that orange turd in the whitehouse wants to distract everyone from the fact that he raped kids.
Edit - And just to be clear, because I did not expect this comment to gain so much traction... This is hyperbole. An attempt at a joke. I do not literally believe Trump is committing war crimes purely as a distraction, so I don't need 400 people explaining that to me. You're not a genius for figuring out that his crimes are not 'just a distraction'. Everyone knows this.
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Wanna_make_cashApr 2, 2026
+935
Not everything is a "distraction".
Have you considered the fact that he's both implicated heavily in the files and has been on camera saying very nasty and vile things several times about children, AND he's also just an evil war criminal that seeks to do nothing but enrich himself and his buddies with insider trading by causing global chaos AND he's likely following orders from Israel / Russia to disrupt global peace and order?
There can be simultaneous forms of evil, you know.
He isn't pretending to be a war criminal to distract from his pedophile implications. He's just both at once.
I'm so sick of people trying to downplay what he's doing to the global order and global economies by acting like he's just a silly little guy doing this as a stunt to distract from a domestic issue and he doesn't actually intend to hurt the global economy, he just wants the news to focus on something else!
No. He wants to destroy the global economy and he wants to get away with his association with Jeffrey Epstein and child sex trafficking. Both things are true and both things are evil..one isn't a """DiStRacTioN!!!!!" From the other thing
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TheGazelleApr 2, 2026
+393
THANK YOU.
F***.
I'm constantly amazed at how many people still act like anything and everything is a "distraction from Epstein".
M***********, these people *do not give a f**** about the Epstein files. Anyone who gives a shit already *knows* that these fuckers are all pedo rapists. Anyone who doesn't give a f*** that they are, isn't gonna magically change their tune at the release of an unredacted piece of paper they're never gonna read, and their "news" is never gonna report on honestly.
F******, Trump is on the record, literally on camera, saying he could shoot a person in broad daylight and get away with it. You really think he gives a shit about the Epstein files?
At this point, *Epstein is the f****** distraction*, because instead of actually paying attention to what's happening *right now*, these f****** smoothbrain "progressives" just keep repeating "dae muh Epstein files?????" as if it means anything.
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Warm_Conference4729Apr 2, 2026
+31
I agree 100%. I marvel, jaw agape, at the egregious abuse of executive power on display by they administration. And I agree that evil can walk and chew gum at the same time.
But to lend empathy to the people saying that, sometimes all this stuff, which is so bad already, comes up in the list if why to hate him, and then, as you're thinking about Iran or Alex Pretti/Renee Good or January 6, it hits:
He also almost certainly fucks kids!!
I think that people deeming all this as distraction from the Epstein are kind unable to process what's actually happening, so they turn to the lowest hanging fruit of revulsion.
It really is a lot. And writing well is hard. Being articulate or eloquent is something unusual enough in people that I find it worth complimenting when I see it.
Because... yeah. It's just all so insane.
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DaveShadowApr 2, 2026
+32
> these f****** smoothbrain "progressives" just keep repeating "dae muh Epstein files?????" as if it means anything.
I think there’s a lot of,people hope they can come up with some sort of “gotcha” that will turn his base against him. His taxes, his health reports, Epstein files.
They hope there’s a verbal arguement they can make that will turn his base on him, despite it being clear literally nothing will turn them.
But if you could find a verbal arguement, it means you don’t have to actually engage in more difficult forms of resistance. More risky forms, that will involve taking personal sacrifice.
So they keep repeating the distraction arguement and pretending there’s any arguement that will turn the cult on him.
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_Ocean_Machine_Apr 2, 2026
+8
People are gonna be getting marched into camps at gunpoint like "Damn, this is a really elaborate distraction from the Epstein Files".
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Mateo_OApr 2, 2026
+125
Yeah this is so dumb. Like not that long ago, the US was kindapping a state president and all you could read here were americains shouting "THIS IS DISTRACTION". This feels so much narrow minded, this is happening, those are real world events, occuring to real people with worldwide consequences. The US will be remembered for those actions, it won't be rememebred for "just a distraction" about the epstein files...
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SeduApr 2, 2026
+14
Thank you, more people need to see this.
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manebushinApr 2, 2026
+38
Exactly, what he is doing is literally what he wanted to do since his last term. It is part of the plan of the people that support him.
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Positive_Total_8651Apr 2, 2026
+15
Literally we were SCREECHING about project 2025 for years, but a year in with them still pushing all their agendas from it, everyone collectively decided to forget entirely about p2025 and just chalk *everything* he does up to a "distraction?"
Absolute nonsense.
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manebushinApr 2, 2026
+5
Yeah, if anything, the epstein files feel more like the distraction
5
350Apr 2, 2026
+7
Thank you. He's just evil.
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coconutpiecrustApr 2, 2026
+168
It’s a mature adult approach. The civilized approach. Breaking things is easy, fighting is easy, too. Anyone can sabre-rattle. Stupid people can do it all day every day.
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AeseldApr 2, 2026
+19
I mean, breaking things is easy. That's why Iran can close the strait. It's hard to defend something like a tanker. Really, solid bet that the US military warned Trump this would happen.
But since they put it in writing, he never saw it.
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Fitz911Apr 2, 2026
+72
>The entire world is suffering because
a whole nation was stupid enough to elect this person for A F****** SECOND TIME!!
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Brilliant-Emphasis43Apr 2, 2026
+8
Jesus Christ, why don’t you grow up and start reading grown up news. No, this isn’t a “distraction”. There’s an alignment between incompetent hawks in the administration and certain Israeli interests. Trump is a decrepit narcissist who is easy to manipulate by them. The war is a MUCH BIGGER political risk for Trump et all than the files are. None of the people taking us to war give a single shit about the files.
Edit: OP gets it, I was being shrill
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crazy_aussieApr 2, 2026
+231
I would love to see the USA put one of their aircraft carriers in the straight, pave the way Donald.
This is why they are asking anyone else to do it for them because they know it’s a death trap.
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XShadowborneXApr 2, 2026
+149
"it's safe, oil tankers, trust me! You just have to have some guts and go through!" -Trump
"Heck no we're not escorting any tankers through! It's not safe!" -US Military
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RN2FL9Apr 2, 2026
+32
“The only thing prohibiting transit in the straits right now is Iran shooting at shipping. It is open for transit should Iran not do that" - Hegseth
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XShadowborneXApr 2, 2026
+12
"The only reason that door isn't opened right now is because it's closed. It would be open otherwise." These people are geniuses
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hordeoverseerApr 2, 2026
+17
Surprised that someone didn't tell the carrier to adopt a Warrior mindset and just do it.
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HoneyBadger552Apr 2, 2026
+466
europe will pay Iran for safe passage. its going to happen
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Yodl007Apr 2, 2026
+261
Doesn't Europe get only 4% from that area ? So it is not going to be paying much ...
The prices are rising because other producers are charging more because there is more demand from people that got the stuff from here.
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doktorstiltonApr 2, 2026
+250
A global market, in this economy??
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FTwoApr 2, 2026
+46
At this time of year? Localized to the Strait of Hormuz?
Can I stop seeing it?
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AbominuzApr 2, 2026
+71
Yes, most of it is for China. But it is indeed the rising prices. Trumps act like EU get all its oil from there. He propably does not know this. And oil is used to produce a lot of things and China is a big manufacturer. So not only gas proces rise. And the whole world feels the impact in a global economy.
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BeefstahApr 2, 2026
+52
>Trumps act like EU get all its ook from there
Not sure what the Librarian has to do with this.
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jimicusApr 2, 2026
+29
Fossil fuels are used to make fertiliser. Expensive fertiliser, expensive bananas.
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dirtysantchezApr 2, 2026
+23
It hard to embargo L-Space.
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croaker227Apr 2, 2026
+6
I see what you did and I like it
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New_Combination_7012Apr 2, 2026
+20
It doesn’t matter, oil is a single market. If oil through the strait receives a 1% toll, then all oil goes up by 1%. Prices will fall across the board for everyone once an agreement is reached, but only to a new higher level.
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Legitimate-Tip-2149Apr 2, 2026
+142
Why do people think Europe is reliant on oil and gas from Hormuz? Have you seen a map? It's going the opposite direction. The issue here isn't all the oil and gas Europe gets from Hormuz, it's that since all oil and gas is sold on the global market, this shortage affects prices for everyone.
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Airf0rceApr 2, 2026
+66
People struggle with the concepts of supply and demand in global markets.
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Darkstar197Apr 2, 2026
+13
Didn’t Europe pivot their natural gas suppliers from Russia to Norway , US and Qatar after 2022? They definitely are affected but not reliant to the same extent the China is
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THECapedCaperApr 2, 2026
+22
It doesn’t really matter where it comes from, oil is a globally priced commodity based on supply and demand, and closing the Strait of Hormuz limits nearly a third of the world’s supply output without eliminating the demand.
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Legitimate-Tip-2149Apr 2, 2026
+8
Yeah, ironically given the President rambling about how we should get our oil from the...we already do.
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+18
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dgkimptonApr 2, 2026
+20
Almost certainly. Thanks Trump for the extra costs and making it necessary to send even more funds to extremist regimes. Good job /s.
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[deleted]Apr 2, 2026
+33
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WiskeyUniformTangoApr 2, 2026
+14
No shit, but unlike in the movie Richie Rich (in the white house) he doesnt have the ability to make real friends and is a bully who only understands force.
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Weary_Position_9591Apr 2, 2026
+106
Taking it over isn’t the hard part. It would just be impossible to hold.
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Unicorn_PuppyApr 2, 2026
+65
Ukraine has ports visited by 200 ships or so that are kept safe from Russian attack, many gulf countries have begun consulting with them.
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thecashblasterApr 2, 2026
+25
step 1 would be to destroy the other guy's navy without having a navy of your own
but also Odessa doesn't have Russia sitting 100 miles on the other side of the Black Sea, so Ukrainians have experience but it's not 100% relevant
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Frozen-RabbitApr 2, 2026
+14
The strait is really narrow. It's 55 km at minimum. You can't defend it perfectly if the other country launches hundreds of low cost drones that you can't intercept. Ukraine can't block everything with drones that flew hundreds of km. It will cost way more than just giving money to let it pass.
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RawerPowerApr 2, 2026
+6
Most part of the safety is because they are going thru NATO corridor Romania>Bulgaria>Turkey.
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BMCarbaughApr 2, 2026
+58
This may weirdly wind up being a good thing for climate change in the long run. If Iran starts taxing all ship traffic through the strait, oil prices go up and stay up, and cleaner alternative just get more and more appealing.
Fifty years from now we may say Trump's actions here did more of substance to advance clean energy than anything prior presidents did. He just did it by accident, like a dumb a******.
This is exactly why no President has openly attacked Iran, and The Iran Puzzle has always been this kind of unsolvable rubiks cube. This exact outcome was the Bad Ending on a lot of war room flow charts going back decades.
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MattyGWSApr 2, 2026
+21
Offset only by the emissions from the war itself
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Chemical-Ideal1Apr 2, 2026
+26
A lot of people don’t understand how difficult it would be to control the SoH.
The IRGC can very cheaply harass any ship in the strait with UAVs, UASs, or missiles. They don’t even need to attack every ship or make serious attempts every time.
On the other hand, it would be insanely expensive and dangerous to take control from them. E****** aren’t really feasible because 135 ships go through the SoH a day normally. There’s no way to prevent attacks other than using ground troops to take control of the 26 miles of coastline on the Iranian side.
It can not be stressed enough how advantageous the IRGC’s position is around the strait.
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RN2FL9Apr 2, 2026
+7
More like a few 100 miles. 26 is probably just the strait (?) but if they can hit Qatar or UAE, they can hit boats in the Persian Gulf.
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RandomlyMethodicalApr 2, 2026
+4
I was looking at this the other day in Google Maps. The whole horseshoe of the Iranian coastline around the SoH is a little over 300 miles, along with about 10 islands (largest is Qeshm at about 75 miles).
There are a lot waterways and towns with marinas or piers where IRGC speedboats with rocket launchers could hide. There‘s no way to control that area without occupying it, and that puts the US in another endless war.
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generally-speakingApr 2, 2026
+3
It's also worth mentioning how tankers full of oil or LPG are, kinda flammable..
So while you might need a hundreds of Shaheds to take down a carrier, which the US doesn't even dare to send, a single one hitting an LPG vessel could be a total calamity.
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mvpilot172Apr 2, 2026
+19
Before the US (Trump) started this conflict was there an issue with Iran letting ships through the Straight? He’s a giant child who punches you then before you can hit him back says the fight is over.
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OlaylawApr 2, 2026
+30
Of course it is. It only takes the threat of a potential drone attack or two for ships to nope the f*** out on even trying to pass. Iran doesn't even have to back that threat up to any major extent for it to be effective.
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JohnStamosAsABearApr 2, 2026
+9
Thanks to Trump they have so much more leverage now than before the war.
Sure, they could've blocked it anytime but there was no reason. Now, its their only weapon and, like you said, can be wielded cheaply with drone threats.
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OneRobatoApr 2, 2026
+17
This is not the New World Order that Trump is expecting.
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Doogie1x13Apr 2, 2026
+14
It will end up with every country saying they won’t help the US will be granted passage by Iran
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Anons350Apr 2, 2026
+118
Better off paying the toll and decouple the petrodollar
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frotz1Apr 2, 2026
+11
The US military has had 47 years to analyze this and game it out. If there was a way to solve this by force alone we'd already be doing it. This was a foreign policy blunder of epic proportions and everyone could see it before it started.
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rsa1Apr 2, 2026
+5
Surely the renowned military genius Gen Bone Spurs can invent an innovative solution.
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whoeveApr 2, 2026
+5
Trump will take that as a challenge
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GMclassMSApr 2, 2026
+5
What are they going to do use words to reach an agreement? That sounds suspiciously like sorcery.
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Traveller_2099Apr 2, 2026
+4
The only way to open the strait is to put the orange chimp in a straight jacket
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Orpa__Apr 2, 2026
+5
I'm sure some deal can be worked out after the US fucks off.
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JPennimanApr 2, 2026
+10
He’s right. Securing by force would essentially require securing hundreds of miles into Iran from all directions around the strait.
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GhostofAyabeApr 2, 2026
+11
Non-idiot chimes in, more meltdowns incoming.
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homebrew_1Apr 2, 2026
+5
Art of the deal.
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FluffcakeApr 2, 2026
+5
All it takes is one idiot with a drone somewhere along a few hundred km coastline to blow up a single oil tanker and the insurerers put the foot down, there is no realistic way to forcefully prevent attacks on civilian shipping through Hormuz other than convincing Iran to just not do that.
It would be quicker amd cheaper to build a canal through the arabian peninsula and get shipping out that way than to take military control of Hormuz.
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ColombianInIowa24Apr 2, 2026
+3
Looks like someone learned the lessons of Suez.
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scrap_intelligenceApr 2, 2026
+4
Nothing sensible will be realistic until putins muppet is unseated.
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HardcoreKaraokeApr 2, 2026
+4
I'm glad he's maintaining that stance. I hope other world leaders do too. When Trump put out the challenge "well you open it" it really frustrated me. Like you're going to break the global economy with an unnecessary war and when no one comes to help you out you just bail? That's insanity.
I fully expect Trump to dig his heels in and not offer support. So I'm not quite sure what the other option is for other world leaders, but I sure hope they don't clean Trump's mess. As a nation we keep f****** doing that and I hope the rest of the world doesn't give him a pass.
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Lor_azepamApr 2, 2026
+22
Only a total invasion that leads to control of all areas of the country Would lead to a re open via force. Iran has been ready for this battle for decades. Its not hard or complicated to launch drones and rockets at ships in the strait
The strait will open when iran stops attacking ships only, gonna have to make some type of agreement
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juno_phoenixApr 2, 2026
+8
it's not just that they've been preparing for decades, it's that drone tech makes what they're doing infinitely easier than any other time in history
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dgkimptonApr 2, 2026
+65
He's not wrong. It's practically impossible to do short of glassing the entire region and maintaining a complete exclusion zone. And nobody wants to see the level of civilian casualties that would entail (Ok, ok, we know Israel would be delighted but let's ignore the genocidal maniacs for a moment).
For now, pay Iran a toll, take the time to develop alternative routes / energy sources, then walk away.
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leisurechefApr 2, 2026
+6
[Reminds me of “The North Wind and The Sun”](https://fablesofaesop.com/the-north-wind-and-the-sun.html)
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Maeglin75Apr 2, 2026
+7
He is most certainly right.
I don't think any country currently has the technology that would enable a warship to protect civilian vessels or even itself against drone swarms started from bunkers in mountains just a few kilometres away.
If any navy had such advanced anti drone systems, it would be the US Navy. That Trump isn't even trying to pretend that the US could secure the Strait of Hormuz and desperately tries to pressure other countries to fail at that task instead, proves, that even the technologically superior US military lacks this capability.
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Frodothedodo81Apr 2, 2026
+5
Bombing Iran is easy, dealing with the consequences isn't
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beshi7Apr 2, 2026
+9
Trump has shit himself over the war in Iran and he wants his allies to wipe his ass
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richnissApr 2, 2026
+3
But it was closed by force, so wont more force open it?/s That russian puppet who is leading the US is pretty special.
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res0jyyt1Apr 2, 2026
+3
Watch Iran ends up only taking Euros instead of dollars
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BassesNBikesApr 2, 2026
+3
Macron isn't a demented moron.
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DaimonHansApr 2, 2026
+3
Trump: _So you're telling me there's a chance._
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ChewyThePugApr 2, 2026
+3
Maybe if we keep bombing them eventually they will start liking us???
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CivilBedroom2021Apr 2, 2026
+3
I'm nobody, and even I know this. The geography of Iran is it's defence. It would take 15 years to force them to do anything.
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