Once it is obvious, what will they do? America needs guidance Hungary. Make it hurt.
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Grimnebulin6814 hr ago
+17
Orban has conceded this evening.
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Maximum_Curve_147115 hr ago
+14
You know Orban lost, right?
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pitshands14 hr ago
+25
There is the issue of "what a difference a day makes" look when it was posted.
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Capitain_Collateral12 hr ago
+15
Due to the linear nature of time, they in fact probably didn’t know that.
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Tarnmaster13 hr ago
+10
when I posted that comment, no
10
Weak_Let_697123 hr ago
+93
New opposition party leader said its impossible to cheat on the hungarian elections so its a fake narrative to weaken our democracy.
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gualdhar20 hr ago
+26
Ignoramus here, what about Hungarian elections makes it impossible to cheat?
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Weak_Let_697120 hr ago
+43
People from all parties are present at the voting, counting votes there immediately. There are separate parallel vote counting that parties do to see if it all adds up… etc.
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gualdhar20 hr ago
+11
ok, so similar to how paper ballots are counted in the US. Are there any electronic voting machines with no paper record?
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DirkDayZSA18 hr ago
+25
There are no electronic voting machines period. Ballots are cast using pen and paper and the counting is done by hand.
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Sudden-Significance711 hr ago
+3
Well I’m from Zimbabwe. Same voting system but still able to rig the elections. The ruling party only failed once during the 2008 global recession because even their supporters voted for opposition party and they had to void the election and do a rerun. It’s only hard to rig the population overwhelmingly votes for one side. They have many tricks and there consultants across the world the deal with playbooks on rigging elections
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ftjlster10 hr ago
+3
Australia's solution to that is to make voting mandatory. It makes it commercially unviable to buy votes and very hard for it to not be incredibly obvious if you're faking votes.
Plus all political parties have no incentive to campaign on stopping people from voting.
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GardenOfSilver7 hr ago
+1
Which I think is a great idea.
Often I find myself thinking that just how we as citizens have Rights in our countries, we really should have Duties -- as citizens. And in a democracy voting is absolutely on that list.
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ftjlster6 hr ago
+1
The way far right conservative parties have been steadily attacking and succeeding with getting footholds in western democracies by winning power through low voter turn out, it might be that mandatory voting will be something more countries have to do to protect their democracy.
That's what Australia have seen - the country doesn't swing to niche extremists views because everybody has to vote. So the country self moderates to the center. That center of course can move to the left or right, but the general swing is blunted and less extreme. Not great if you really want to move the entire country towards say, alternative energy generation - but a protective bulwark against say, the entire country suddenly having a government composed of fascists.
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Mercurial89118 hr ago
+2
God, I envy them.
2
XionicativeCheran18 hr ago
+1
But, if you convince people who oppose the government that it's rigged so they may as well not try, that could be effective!
1
burnabycoyote15 hr ago
+2
> they're not wrong to think that
They can't be held responsible for thoughts that get stuck in their head, but hopefully they will see today that this was due to a cognitive bias.
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TheShipEliza11 hr ago
+2
Turns out they were! Same goes for the doomers in the States.
2
femme_mystique19 hr ago
+2
Are the voting machine connected to STARLINK remotely over cellular to GPS like the compromised US ones were?
2
Mogling8 hr ago
+2
Why do you like spreading election misinformation?
2
JennFapp12 hr ago
+2
Wasn’t there a huge case that Fox News lost against the voting machines company because they kept knowingly lying that they are rigged?
2
Urdar17 hr ago
+1
Hungary doesnt habe electronic voting. Only a small number of european country does, and even less on national elections.
Its just conceptualyl to vulnerable.
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vanhunt11 day ago
+1801
Orban is losing. Next is Vucic. Then hopefully Putin dies and Trump is impeached and imprisoned for life.
1801
masixx1 day ago
+717
That's what the majority of this planet we're sharing is hoping for. Hungary would be a great starting point.
717
Electric4ce1 day ago
+213
Yeah, I'm Hungary for some change.
213
BeatNo45481 day ago
+47
Ideally, it starts with Hungary, then Turkey, then Greece. After that, we order desert.
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Ok-Wolverine-323821 hr ago
+6
You need to Greece Turkey if you are Hungary
6
pidzson1 day ago
+34
First and foremost, akkor a kurva anyádat.
Second, we all are. Hundreds of thousands have hit the streets in support of the opposition these last few weeks. I’m so f****** high on hopium.
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BrokenPickle723 hr ago
+20
8 billion people just hoping for a handful of men to kick the bucket lmao, people should just rise up.
20
masixx22 hr ago
+8
They should. But you know very well group dynamics are complicated. The truth is it's easy to distract and divide the masses.
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quantumfall91 day ago
+56
Trump will die of old age before he faces any punishment, he’s already almost 80.
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BeatNo45481 day ago
+22
Trump has the Ick, too. He's being propped up with toothpicks and duct tape. I wouldn't be surprised if they're injecting him with more dope than Hitler.
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steveg7 hr ago
+2
I wish you were right, but watching the video of him at the UFC event on Saturday, he looks impressively spry.
2
BeatNo45484 hr ago
+1
They probably dosed him with methylphenidate. It lasts 5 hours and keeps him from falling asleep. But I have no idea. He seems half dead but there are moments of clarity.
1
psychicsword14 hr ago
+2
People live to 100 and they don't always deserve to. Sure it is very rare but that also means we can't count on it.
2
AtletMedSkaegg1 day ago
+153
Old age is our hope for both Putin and Trump. They will never face any real justice.
153
Altruistic_Bass5391 day ago
+84
Just this once will I root for cholesterol to do its f****** job.
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DaveyJonesXMR1 day ago
+39
And hope the christians were right about a hell too
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fadvex1 day ago
+18
The modern concept of Hell doesn't come from the Bible.
It comes from Dante's Inferno.
18
Jaydenn71 day ago
+23
The PS3 game?
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czs50561 day ago
+5
The first third of a mideval poem called the Divine Comedy.
5
ChoicePositive17711 day ago
+7
So yes, the PS3 game.
7
HalfXTheHalfX21 hr ago
+1
They had PS3 in the mediveal ages??? Damn.. I thought it's a bit younger than that..
1
uh_oh-hotdog1 day ago
+3
Medieval
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sanfran_girl1 day ago
+6
Quite true. But a frightening number of people have based their world view on it being "god's word" and will happily beat you with their unread bible to prove it.
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DaveyJonesXMR23 hr ago
+2
The movie?
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Difficult-Square-6891 day ago
+11
When someone very old suffers a stroke, they could end up paralyzed and unable to really communicate.
A horrible fate for almost everybody.
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waiting4singularity1 day ago
+2
dont get them hooked on nox. it damages the spinal cord right above the shoulder vertebra by blocking vitamin b12 metabolism and causing severe atrophy.
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Swagtagonist1 day ago
-6
He could’ve faced justice if Joe Biden wasn’t so f****** useless.
-6
True_Inxis1 day ago
+13
My original comment was:
>Biden was part of the executive branch, not of the judiciary. Any organ interfering in others' business would be overstepping its boundaries (which in the US nowadays seems like a normal thing to do).
Albeit the complete separation of the three powers is a philosophy followed by many countries, it seems that in the US the judiciary powers fall under the authority of the executive branch. This effectively mean the Executive can pull its weight on the matter, if it decides to do so.
I personally wouldn't rely on such a system to have outcomes impartial on politically charged topics.
I should thank u/5zepp for pointing out this peculiarity to me, along with the fact that that a system built in this way can (and often will) be exploited by the Executive.
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waiting4singularity1 day ago
+7
im rather sure the former-former president left employees in the system who were tasked to delay and hinder any action to bring him and his ilk to justice.
i really dont believe they couldnt get a case together in the 4 years of biden. surely without obstruction he'd be wearing a set of overals matching his jaundiced skintone.
7
asddde1 day ago
+37
This is why, those dictators Xi and Putin discussed immortality. They really are confident that is the only problem in their way.
37
Salmonman41 day ago
+25
Lukashenko has to go too
25
Qegola1 day ago
+19
He should, but without someone holding his little fluffy leash he's nothing.
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untamedlazyeye1 day ago
+7
Putin and him would really be a two birds, one stone kinda deal yeah
7
lollipop9991 day ago
+63
Add Erdogan, Modi, and Netanyahu to the list
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SaddamMustaine1 day ago
+1
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GoodRip4201 day ago
+63
Don't forget Netanyahu. This is essential.
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V8O1 day ago
+16
"Hopefully everything will work itself out" is the sentiment which made all those idiots viable in the first place.
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Thomas_Becket21 day ago
+7
Fico needs to go too
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Ordinary-Violinist-923 hr ago
+7
And pete hegseth hanged for war crimes together with netanyahu.
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deviant3241 day ago
+5
Trump doesn’t have enough time left to even go to trial for most of his crimes
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FrugalKrugman1 day ago
+3
Also get rid of Bibi please
3
HungryManSpider1 day ago
+6
The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish
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thatawkwardmexican1 day ago
+1
I have another idea of what we should do to the current administration. IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES…
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Thoraxekicksazz1 day ago
+1
We are in the middle of trumps second coup attempt. This entire war is so he can seize power before the midterms.
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Franc00023 hr ago
+1
Don't you know in which timeline we are?
1
sachiel146222 hr ago
+1
Can we do something for Netanyahu too, please ?
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Inner-Conclusion297722 hr ago
+1
And bibi finally goes on trial
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Amonfire177620 hr ago
+1
Erdogan? Bibi? A lot of leaders need to step down.
1
Sekh76520 hr ago
+1
Bolsanaro needs some company in prison.
1
SaschaAusUlm19 hr ago
+1
Beautiful beautiful dream...
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Maximum_Curve_147115 hr ago
+1
Does that mean the election was legit then?
1
sexysausage15 hr ago
+1
Let’s manifest it by all crossing fingers
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matti131113 hr ago
+1
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asdf1521 day ago
+1
This sounds too good.
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Historical-Fig-54491 day ago
+1
You're forgetting someone here
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Corodix1 day ago
+1
That all sounds really good, which is probably why half of it won't end up happening.
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uuggehor1 day ago
+456
Remember to vote. Inaction is the main thing empowering oppressors.
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Eudaimonics1 day ago
+58
Seriously, don’t let this become a self fulfilling prophecy.
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HolKatt1 day ago
+4
I thought it would have been the oppression.
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VixensPoppies1 day ago
+191
If Orban wins again (after the bad polling he are getting now..) it probably is & rigged by Russia ..
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Difficult-Square-6891 day ago
+71
He will. Vance was there to pick up some tips on how to do the same in the US.
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Maximum_Curve_147115 hr ago
+13
This aged well
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sadandshy21 hr ago
+7
Luckily, Vance is wildly incompetent.
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magicmulder22 hr ago
+12
I'm still not over how (almost) all the polls had Hillary leading by +5 or more, and afterwards everyone just went "welp, must've been all the polls that were wrong".
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Frexxia21 hr ago
+26
That's simply not true. There was a massive shift in the time leading up to the election.
If I recall correctly 538 had Trump at ~~36%~~ 29% to win on election night based on that polling.
You also have to keep in mind that the electoral college decides the election, not the national popular vote.
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CirnoWhiterock16 hr ago
+2
I would add to this while some polls did have Hillary up 5, it was not the, say, 50-45 we saw with Obama, it was like, 44-39 with a ton of undecided who I suspect just didn't want to admit to polite society that they were voting Trump
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh22 hr ago
+15
From a non-American observer: That was at a time where "wokeness" was a huge thing and conservatives would face rather vocal criticism when they showed their opinion publicly. So I'm not surprised that many just shut up and voted rather than announcing their political position, even when polled.
I've seen the same happen in several European elections or referenda, where the "will be loudly criticized for being the morally wrong choice" options polled worse than they performed. In at least some of these I consider foreign interference unlikely.
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magicmulder18 hr ago
+1
That makes no sense at all. Polls are anonymous.
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh17 hr ago
+3
Sure, but once you've trained people that talking about their political position = hostility (up to the point of risking to lose their job), *some* of them won't think about it, and will either hang up when polled, or lie. ~10% doing that is enough to explain the observed effect.
Most "left"/"liberal" (in the US sense, i.e. non-conservative) opinions were generally considered well within the Overton window (acceptable/"safe" to voice), while even relatively moderate "conservative" opinions (e.g. that there is no need to ban technical terms just because the same words were used in the context of racism, or that the actual effects of some "affirmative action" policies resulted in overt and wrong discrimination of majority groups) were shunning-worthy.
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PastaPuttanesca4216 hr ago
+1
> even relatively moderate "conservative" opinions
By definition a moderate opinion is in the Overton window.
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Obvious-You-360218 hr ago
+5
She won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She failed to win in the rust belt which she heavily neglected to campaign in whilst trump campaigned heavily in those same states. She likely could’ve won if she only shored up the rust belt instead of going to arizona and texas.
5
Agitated_Ad757618 hr ago
+1
There were reports that the people who ran Obama's campaigns were shocked at how poorly run Hillary's was.
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EgoTripWire17 hr ago
+1
Then the population needs to be ready to Gaddafi him
1
mesmerooo1 day ago
+97
> Following the 2010 Hungarian parliamentary elections, in which the Fidesz party secured a two-thirds supermajority, the government implemented fundamental reforms to the electoral system, officially codified through Act CCIII of 2011. These reforms significantly altered the electoral framework from the system established after the Cold War, aiming to create a more efficient, w*****-take-all structure that critics argue unfairly favored the governing party.
Key changes enacted post-2010 include:
> Reduction in Parliament Size: The number of parliamentary seats was drastically reduced from 386 (established in 1990) to 199, aiming for a more "reasonable" size.
> Shift in Electoral Weight: The proportion of seats elected in single-member constituencies increased from 46% to 53% (106 seats), increasing the w*****-take-all element.
> Gerrymandering and Redrawing Boundaries: Constituency boundaries were overhauled. Analysts, such as Kim Lane Scheppele, noted that boundaries were redrawn to pack opposition voters into fewer districts and divide Fidesz-leaning areas to maximize their seats.
> Abolition of Two-Round System: The traditional two-round system (a run-off between the top two candidates) was abolished and replaced with a single-round, first-past-the-post system in constituencies. This allowed candidates to win with less than 50% of the vote.
> "W***** Compensation" (Fractional Votes): The reform introduced a unique "w***** compensation" mechanism, where surplus votes from winning candidates (votes beyond what was needed to win) were added to the party's national list total, strengthening the party with the most votes.
> Extension of Voting Rights: In 2012, voting rights were extended to ethnic Hungarians living abroad (primarily in neighboring countries) who do not have a residence in Hungary, allowing them to vote for party lists.
> These reforms were implemented to consolidate the electoral power of the ruling Fidesz party, facilitating their continued two-thirds majorities in subsequent elections.
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pieman741423 hr ago
+18
lmao their election rigging was just doing everything the US does 😭
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Front-Anteater37761 day ago
+335
Putin and Trump are going to make sure Orban stays in power. And when they are done there, they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
Russia snd USA pose an existential threat to Europe. Our politicians have to take it more seriously and start treating USA as the enemies are they are.
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BestFriendWatermelon1 day ago
+82
Looks like Trump and Putin have been outplayed this time.
The leaks of Orban's government colluding with Putin have all the hallmarks of a major western intelligence agency, probably the UK's MI6 or France's DGSE, and the leaks have been devastating to Orban.
While Trump sent Vance slithering over to Hungary in the vain hope that his creepy demeanour might actually win Orban some votes, and Putin filled the political space with AI slop about Zelensky and a few harebrained sabotage plots that were immediately leaked too, liberal western countries have taken their intelligence agency's gloves off.
Normally intercepting calls of treasonous authoritarians selling out their own country was met with a wry smile. Now countries like the UK and France have had enough. The endless corruption and lies are the authoritarian's greatest weakness; but until now liberal democracies avoided skewering other countries with it out of fear of being seen to interfere in their internal politics. Well it looks like now we're gonna be interfering.
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vba71 day ago
+23
In Poland right wing PIS+Suwpol parties have been using Pegasus spyware software to spy on the opposition KO party... and they still have 30% of votes.
Not to mention elections, where people did some basic stats on the results and some of the areas had really strange results (e.g. 20% share -> 60% share). After a recount ALL of the votes there were falsified. In 8 commissions out of 8 checked. Guess what? The election was still confirmed as legit.
Not to even mention what happens in those small rural places, where it's quite clear that the members were adding votes to their favorite party / favorite candidate.
You’re not wrong, but we can still hope to win this one. We shouldn’t give up exactly at this moment, but just push on. If we believe we can do it, it’s possible. I believe in the young Hungarians 🙏
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The-Board-Chairman1 day ago
+9
>Putin and Trump are going to make sure Orban stays in power.
They are going to *try*. That is very different from actually achieving their goals.
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Quazz1 day ago
+8
The harder they try, the more they will fail.
There's something about outside forces being hostile towards you that unites people.
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Germfreecandy1 day ago
+50
If there is one thing EU is good at, it's being bureaucratic and slow. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to do anything
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ThisTheRealLife1 day ago
+108
While it is bad in this case, if the last few years have shown us one thing it is that bureaucratic and slow also means to some degree: stable and safe.
Harder to completely turn round and go haywire. When looking at the US right now, I start to really appreciate stable and safe!
108
cxmmxc1 day ago
+19
It's nice for people to notice a few decades after the fact, because it's by design.
Acting fast and loose ended up in Europe bombing the shit out of itself, twice, so something had to be done. Being glacially slow has its issues, but it was seen as better than the alternative.
Some reconfiguring needs to be done though, since it seems that the West/EU exhibited hubris that by introducing a better and more unified economy, nations would willingly join to be a part of that.
What they didn't expect was that Russia would abuse that and find a way to degrade that union from the inside. There was no mechanisms set up to take action against a member who actively worked to destroy the union against everyone's best interests, except Russia's.
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Germfreecandy1 day ago
+6
I hear you and it might even be true in a 'bullish economy'. But I do appreciate effectiveness sometimes. I would for example love for the EU-rearmament program to be properly sped up and correctly financed instead of having Germany for example burning billions of their defence budget on administrative work.
If EU ends up left with their d*** in hand by USA, and if Russia do engage in a conventional war, all that stable and safe bureaucracy from the EU will come back to haunt us.
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Suguha_chan1 day ago
+21
Palpatine and Anakin also prefered fast and effective decisions over bureaucratic governments
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USHEV21 day ago
+4
>they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
That's why I think they will let Orban lose. If they rig shit for him to stay in power it will result in major unrest in Hungary and may sway other European countries from voting for those types of leaders.
They don't need Orban, Russia is already winning the political battle. They got their stooge Babis in, next is Poland, then France, then Romania.
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sotommy1 day ago
+4
They won't and can't. Don't underestimate us
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Infidel81 day ago
+2
> And when they are done there, they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
Right... because if you notice, the US doesn't befriend countries anymore. It only befriends the extremist right within those countries.
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Chowder1101 day ago
+1
should orban not step down when he losses EU will blockade hungary until he does
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Reppeti1 day ago
+42
If Orban wins there will be riots, big ones. We won't let them steal our future
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griphookk21 hr ago
+4
Thank god.
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Vajaspiritos1 day ago
+14
It will obviously be. The question is, if they can rig it hard enough to win
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number39utopia1 day ago
+57
Something tells Putin ally orban is gonna get his gestapo to rig the votes in his favor
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mesmerooo1 day ago
+34
not the voting, the counting, that's how it's done
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vahokif1 day ago
+23
The counting is actually the part that can't be rigged because it's done by representatives of all parties.
Voting on the other hand can be influenced by paying and blackmailing people. Watch the documentary The price of a vote.
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helm1 day ago
+5
Orban has been a "confident" strongman. In that perspective, having the opposition be there and watch as few vote for them is a sing of power itself. I really hope Orban's plan B doesn't work out.
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winterwonderworm1 day ago
+42
I'm actually fairly optimistic. If the Axis of Orange was so sure they could just cheat their way to victory, why send Vance? Or Netanyahu? Why all the billboards? I think they're worried.
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xavandetjer1 day ago
+25
They're worried, because rigging an election at this point has a big risk of civil unrest to it. Also if it can be proven they can lose access to inside information from the EU, which is what makes fidesz useful to Russia.
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sol-423 hr ago
+7
> Axis of Orange
Love it, don't mind me if I steal it
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Invisible7hunder18 hr ago
+2
The Dutch do not agree to this new terminology.
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windsurfmaniac1 day ago
+13
The world will know Orban lost. Everyone is out on the streets! Hungary wants freedom from Putin. The world is done with Putin and Donald.
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tochirov17 hr ago
+12
Good news everyone!!!!
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VixensPoppies1 day ago
+8
Trump is trying to buy Orban a win as well! As the good Russian asset Trump are!
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_06111 day ago
+16
Trump is gonna do the same.
Because that's what far-right nationalists do.
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BeatNo454823 hr ago
+10
Yup. He wants it rigged so only Trump and the GOP can win. That's why they want the SAVE act. They can challenge the eligibility of anyone who might vote against them. I'm convinced that's part of how he won the last two times. They purged millions from the voter rolls.
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Last-Darkness1 day ago
+10
Their right. 2 or the 3 most powerful countries in the world endorse Orban. Those two countries are also currently the most blatantly corrupt.
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nhozemphtek1 day ago
+13
It’s up to Hungarians to prove it like Venezuelans did.
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PassiveSpamBot1 day ago
+9
The last 3 were so why break tradition now?
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Tigereyesxx1 day ago
+3
Putin holds the strings..
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FixedFun11 day ago
+4
I do believe it too and I'm not Hungarian.
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yaderkuvboloto1 day ago
+3
already videos floating around of thugs patrolling voting booths, exactly like in russia and belarus
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Ok_Suit_1961 day ago
+3
Go vote! Few votes can be manypulated, but not milions.
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FrogsJumpFromPussy15 hr ago
+6
Thankfully they were wrong. Orban has conceded. Tisza will most likely win supermajority.
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xBabepentel1 day ago
+11
Does this poll reflect the rural areas as well,or is this sentiment mostly coming from Budapest?
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Ashged1 day ago
+30
Buying votes is an open secret in rutal areas. Recently a whole mini documentary came out with people who were motivated to admit participating with the upcoming election.
So yes, everybody everywhere expects some vote manipulation. The question is only the extent of it.
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isthereadrwho20 hr ago
+3
We think so also, AND we expect same here in US
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marsisblack20 hr ago
+3
And they are right to think it. Here is hoping the projections hold true.
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Late_Tonight_914819 hr ago
+3
"Will be"?
We have videos of local fidesz functionaries paying and holding a block party for people who voted for them.
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SmMIYcF1tg](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SmMIYcF1tg)
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CrownCommando19 hr ago
+3
Not just Hungarians that believe that.
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riisikas1 day ago
+9
Bro, the past few days events have started to make me believe as if Hungary is a random third world country, that any other country can control? Wtf
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mesmerooo1 day ago
+8
welcome to the new world
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istasan1 day ago
+6
Look at how all in his close circle now happen to be some of Hungary’s richest people. It is way worse than most Europeans grasp.
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wecanhaveallthree1 day ago
+11
The headline is somewhat misleading.
>But 79% of the Hungarian public fear **foreign interference** in the electoral process.
When I think of 'rigged or manipulated', I think of problems with *votes* (or those casting them) rather than foreign *pressure*. I mean, the US Vice President went down to Hungary to rah-rah the current administration - did 21% of Hungarians sleep in or something?
'Foreign interference' is a consequence of the global world we live in. If we took it seriously, the US should be hauling journalists from across the world in for articles critical of Trump. There are obviously levels to it, but there is a big jump between 'foreign press prints copy critical of X' or 'foreign dignitary comes to shake hands and say 'you do a good job' and 'rigging' or 'manipulation'.
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Capable_Kiwi251418 hr ago
+1
>Foreign interference' is a consequence of the global world we live in. If we took it seriously, the US should be hauling journalists from across the world in for articles critical of Trump
No, because a negative editorial by foreign press is not within the scope of what foreign interference refers to.
It can start to lean that way a if the editorial is part of a state-orchestrated influencing campaign, in which the editorialist is acting as an undisclosed foreign agent.
Political concepts always have a relevant scope to their definition. The idea that taking it seriously requires arresting foreign editorialists is a reduction to the extreme.
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Ok_Campaign_47751 day ago
+2
Yeah, i am also afraid orban will suddenly win with 123% of the votes like his r*ssian owner
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StrangerFew24241 day ago
+2
It most certainly will be... question is, whether it's enough to allow that Fascist scumbag to steal the election & cling to power.
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Friendlyfire299622 hr ago
+2
I know how they feel
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filmguy3621 hr ago
+2
But pleas vote anyway!
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meowmixVStrump21 hr ago
+2
2 hours, 10 minutes from now until we know the election results, correct? 8PM Hungary's time IS normally when we'd know who wins this?
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NerdyNThick16 hr ago
+2
Not rigged! Or... not rigged well enough!
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quokka7021 hr ago
+1
"Oh, no! The computers went down."
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Anywhere_Dismal1 day ago
+6
That pos jd couch f***** flew to hungary, probably had fElons software to rig election machines with him to implement over there. Its not a spy novel, these idiots are truly stupid enough to get caught with every crime they commit.
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Mrteamtacticala1 day ago
+4
How's the beatles song go? "We're gonna have a....peaceful reaction to rigged elections" oh no that's not the one
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firthy1 day ago
+2
Majority of the world believes that.
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GlutenFree_Gamer1 day ago
+2
I mean....it worked in the United States.
2
uknownix1 day ago
+1
We'll know in 24hrs.
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SpicyRhubarb1 day ago
+1
Orban knows he's up against the ropes, obviously he's going to try to rig it
1
ryeguymft19 hr ago
+1
if it is, they need to protest until Orban is forcibly removed from office. I’m worried too. it’s clear he will lose a fair election, but will he pull a Lukashenko?
1
Adventurous_Bus_4378 hr ago
+1
Get ducked orban
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Steelbill774 hr ago
+1
Republican playbook.
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SubstantialNature36822 hr ago
It happened in USA and it's going to happen again.
0
Suguha_chan1 day ago
+1
Maybe Elon Musk helps Putin and Trump
1
The-Great-Mullein13 hr ago
+1
Do they still think it was rigged?
1
Johnnygunnz1 day ago
+1
Multiple Americans do, too.
1
IntentionDeep6511 day ago
+1
they dont think this, thats the fact already jusz study how their election works how they changed it in favor to their benefit ( in rificulous fasion ) not just some small benefit too. Voting from abroad banned for people who left this shtshow
1
SkipsH1 day ago
+1
But JD Vance is there to stop the EU from getting involved. /s
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RoleTall20251 day ago
-9
cant we just eject them from the EU already? Hungary is the shit child of Europe.
-9
branchfoundation1 day ago
+27
Give them a chance to vote.
Edit: and there you have it.
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Current-Code1 day ago
+5
Give them a chance to revolt
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GlokzDNB1 day ago
+7
So, Monday?
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mesmerooo1 day ago
+5
yeap
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lefix1 day ago
+16
imho, if Hungary manages to vote Orban out and shifts back towards the EU, that is an arguably better outcome than kicking Hungary out, and a valid argument for keeping the current system.
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meowmixVStrump21 hr ago
Orban WOULD lose if it wasn't rigged, I'm certain of it. Conservatives DO NOT WIN national elections while gas prices are rising to this degree (if they are the incumbent).
The only historical counterexample to this is Bush 2 winning in 2004, but he flooded everything with the message that Kerry would raise gas prices even higher due to his promise of a $0.50 gas tax (for the environment). As always, ppl chose money over the environment.
Orban doesn't have a message like that. If this election is fair, he'll lose. Conservatives need to stay home to save gas money. They're not even motivated enough to get to the polls b/c their feelings have big boo boos due to the higher gas prices.
The price of oil is the MAIN factor in whether or not they'll show up to vote b/c higher gas prices never fails to put a face on conservatives akin to the face a baby makes when it shits itself. It's not like they're going to stop acting based on feelings and start thinking NOW. That simply won't happen and fortunately they feel terrible right now.
Correct me if there are more examples of incumbent conservatives winning NATIONAL elections while gas prices are soaring like this, please. I'm looking forward to bad news for Putin soon with these election results.
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