Man who killed a deputy serving an eviction notice was run over, California sheriff says

It’s odd, I thought California was known for incredibly generous tenant protections. It’s a pretty quick eviction.

The cops all voted for the laws that enabled that guy to be heavily armed.

California cops are f****** crazy. When they were looking for cop killer [Chris Dorner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt) they shot up a truck with 2 innocent people inside. And then when they finally found the suspect, they burned him alive in a cabin.

I mean ... It's _a_ technique.   Firing at a bearcat is kind of frivolous.  You're not going to hurt it with small arms.  You _will_ dissuade folks from dismounting though ... Which limits their options, probably to your detriment.   Edit: so hey guys, I'm the guy who's actually been shot at while sitting in the TC seat (the front passenger seat) of an MRAP before.  I really don't like that the cops domestically get away with egregious shit that would have landed me, or one of my guys, in Leavenworth, even if done _in a warzone_.   This ain't one of those times.   Your blanket assertions about use of force only betrays how little experience you have with the application of force.  It's great to be idealistic, and as a society we all should have ideals we aspire to.  "Not having to kill anyone to keep order in society" is a great one to have.   It's also important to remember that an ideal is _the standard of perfection_ and this world isn't perfect, it's messy.  In this specific case _especially messy_.  

“The army came to visit me, twas in the early hours.. with Saracens and Saladins, and Ferret Armored Cars, They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright, with the armor piercing bullets of me little armalite!” - The Irish Brigade hits a little different in the US

You ever stomp a ketchup packet?

This millenial generation and their Grand Theft Autos on the Nintendo has desensitized us to this kind of tradgedy/s

I’m not about cops killing people all the time, but seriously if someone essentially lays in wait to set a trap and shoot at you, that’s a pretty valid reason to use deadly force.

He didn’t have to keep shooting to continue to be a deadly threat. You can’t assume someone’s finished trying to kill you because they pause firing.

Optimistic to assume body c*** were on!

Who gives a shit if he was still shooting? Good riddance.

Point of order: police statements aren't "facts" and it would behoove everyone to stop pretending they are. They are heavily editorialized, public relations rhetoric designed exclusively to serve police interests. This situation, while likely to be well justified, doesn't require anyone act like the lapdog you think they should.

Share the details ffs dude not like your boss is in this thread

I'm confused. So you weren't there but you know exactly what was happening?

He had 18 unregistered handguns, it doesn't seem like the late rent was due to a lack of resources but instead a choice of how to allocate those resources

Lol are you defending someone who resorted to firing at cops serving a notice .

Yeah, dude really needed to chill. Shooting at cops due to being evicted is awful behavior. Being evicted is never a good experience but taking it out on others like this is crazy.

On one hand..... Yeah. But on the other, he killed a guy.

I don't know how it works in California and I'm not a lawyer. But I'm pretty sure you have to go through a court process and a judge before they send in a notice, a deputy or a sheriff to place an eviction notice in a property. It may not has just been 35 days, it may have been a lot more than that over time and or the person was doing things the judge decided he needed to go. Again, not a lawyer but sounds unlikely they gave him an eviction notice just for the 35 days.

When deadly force is authorized, there’s no rule that says it’s got to be a fair fight. If he’s trying to kill people, you don’t want him to be sitting there shooting at will until he gets tired of it. The guy had a hoard of firearms. Who knows how much ammo or how many guns were on him. If the police just sat there and let him fire at will, innocent neighbors could also be hit, as well as police. You want an active shooter stopped immediately.

Uh, firing a rifle with intent to kill in the middle of a neighborhood (from someone else's yard none the less) seems pretty justifiable to kill him immediately, by any means available.

I'm all for shitting on the cops, particularly overly aggressive roided out SWAT guys, but some crazy actively shooting should be stopped by whatever means necessary. If anything, pancaking him with this thing was safer and less likely to injure random bystanders than a further prolonged shoot-out.

Yeah no charges for sure. If anything the department nickname the vehicle something horrific like splattercat or bonecruncher 

You’ can’t be serious. A guy killed someone and is shooting at others and you think law enforcement should just sit idle on the side and let him continue to shoot? You understand bullets that don’t hit the bearcat would also put the public in danger, right? Also, what a huge disconnect that you think all these steps should be taken to help preserve a literal murderer. If only the murderer had the same thoughts. People like you are the exact reason we are in this current nightmare in our country. No common sense and it pushed people to vote for this maniac in office.

The murdered officer was not in the group serving the eviction notice. He was responding to help close off the area and keep the suspect contained after the shooting started. The officer was killed while the police attempted to "wait him out".

What exactly are you suggesting here? They just chill in the “bulletproof” swat vehicle while the cop murderer continues blasting away in a neighborhood?

So they should let an armed lunatic continue to rampage through the streets and risk bystanders getting caught in the crossfire because "he'll run outta ammo eventually". F*** that, neutralize the threat. If he had peacefully surrendered and they ran him over you may have a point.

He was running through the neighbors' yards. He could have injured or killed any of them. If he had, guaranteed your comment would have been along the lines of "why didn't the police do anything?!"

''...that a swat vehicle is largely bulletproof.'' Are... surely not, are you actually suggesting, that they just park it outside, or run the car inside, and let the guy shoot as much ammo at it as possible?

Your mentality is exactly the kind that gets innocent people killed. cops have to be perfect every second, but the guy firing rounds through residential neighborhoods gets infinite patience? every bullet that maniac fires can go through a wall and kill a random kid in their house.  you don’t wait for someone shooting wildly in an urban area to run out of ammo. Thats just hating cops more than you care about innocent people. And no, charges will not be filed, but medals might be given. 

I mean I’m all for pointing out cop mistakes but I’m not going to fault them for using an option that keeps them entirely safe and ends the same way for the shooter. It makes total sense to use the bulletproof vehicle to hit him if the environment isn’t conducive to a safe approach for cops on legs. Keep in mind he’s already shot and killed a cop at that point and had shot at many more. This is just how things ended.

You understand bullets go very fast and far, so when they bounce off said bullet sponge and, possibly, into a neighbors home striking a child or such that's okay? Just let the bad guy run out of ammo and put everyone in the neighborhood in danger?. I think the "running over" was a "quick" way to stop a lot of very dangerous lead poisoning from happening.

He might not able to injure someone in the vehicle but a stray bullet could absolutely kill an innocent bystander. Someone in my city was killed by a stray bullet while riding the train. 

Umm, it's inherently unsafe to have a shootout in a residential neighborhood if it can be avoided.

Lol good point yea the cops should have just sat around let him continue to shot high caliber rounds into the void... lol so dumb

The article said he had left his home and was moving through neighboring yards, so his ammo was limited to whatever he was carrying. Perhaps they could've let him pop off shots at an armored vehicle, maybe he would've shot until he ran out. otoh the further he moves from his point of origin, the more likely it is that he ends up in an area that hasn't been evacuated, or closer to a household that's sheltering in place rather than leaving (article said neighbors were evacuated or sheltering in place). Any movement like that is putting more bystanders at risk. If bystanders had been injured/killed because they just let this guy fire off rounds indiscriminately while moving through a residential neighborhood it would've been a much larger mess.

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All this for killing a deputy and shooting at others. The deputy was there to serve a paper, nothing more.

No, all this for killing a deputy.

Dude, give any solution, that didn't involve the police JUST DELIVERING THE NOTICE OF EVICTION. The cops didn't go there with guns drawn, ready throw the f***** out, they were delivering the notice, when this nutcase killed one of them. ''jfc, no wonder your country is so fucked.'' Says the man trying to justify a cop being killed.

Taking social media comments as reality is a f****** wild strategy lol

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