Journalists have got to stop running with police jargon as if they're government mouthpieces, or at the very least, use quotation marks around it to demonstrate how weird it is.
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Remote-Letterhead8442 days ago
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I think they are happening more frequently than what is being reported.
I just learned the attacks on Tesla properties never stopped. Something like 19 Tesla facilities have been damaged in the last 15 months. Latest one in New Orleans.
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TheNobleHeretic2 days ago
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Exactly like all these mass shootings but the target is innocent children but not companies that have ruined lives. I don’t condone anything obviously because violence is bad, but it just surprises me
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fullautohotdog2 days ago
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It’s almost like young men with screws loose attack what they know, or something…
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Shaquarington_Bithus2 days ago
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Why? Dude didn’t even do anything. Walked in with a gun in his backpack. Doesn’t appear to have taken it out per the article but security detained him because he wasn’t supposed to be there.
Dude should have been let go.
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WarDildo2 days ago
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It's a short barreled AR with no buttstock, or a "brace" instead.
They are a type of AR. They come in many sizes and calibers.
If built as a "pistol" there are rules that allow you to have shorter barrels. It's a thing.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/pistols.html
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Pack_Your_Trash2 days ago
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Those just look like assault rifles with short barrels. What am I missing?
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Acecn2 days ago
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Well they aren't select fire for one
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Fearless_Roof_45342 days ago
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Lolwut? Since when were civilians allowed to freely acquire select-fire firearms?
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JoeSavinaBotero2 days ago
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You can still buy pre-ban machine guns, but they're hella expensive because of the limited supply and the cool factor. I haven't bothered looking into the legal argument for why machine guns from before '86 are fine but those made after have different rules because it can't be anything other than bullshit.
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RazzleThatTazzle2 days ago
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Grandfather rules probably. Its one thing to say "no more selling machine guns", its another thing to say "everyone has to turn in their machine guns"
Not making an argument about whether its wrong or right, just saying thats probably the reasoning.
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memberzs2 days ago
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Because the nra wanted overnight retirement funds. Knowing that supply would always go down from law enforcement confiscation/destruction, or uniting becoming unrepairable ndue to parts supply over time. You cap the supply, every year there are fewer remaining so values go up.
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memberzs2 days ago
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Since always. As long. As you have the $20k to purchase one and the $200 tax stamp you too can own a machine gun.
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Nixxuz2 days ago
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Look up forced reset selectors. The newer ones are a defined 3 position flip switch, but even plain old "super safety" versions are, essentially, a 3 position safety where one position engages a forced reset mode.
37 states are totally legal for FRTs. I've shot multiple guns with FRTs, in varying calibers. Enthusiast pedantry notwithstanding, they are absolutely "machine guns". Not particularly useful, but kind of fun.
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Lirael_Gold2 days ago
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"totally" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, the legality of FRTs in most of those states simply hasn't been challenged yet.
Most of the reputable gun channels refuse to do videos about them because it could spark the legal equivalent of a knife fight in a telephone booth.
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robothawk2 days ago
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theres a loophole where that isn't a short-barreled rifle because it doesn't have a stock, it has an arm brace to strap to your forearm that looks like a stock, and you definitely totally won't use it as one nosiree
It's f****** stupid
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afriendlydebate2 days ago
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The rules themselves are beyond stupid. Short barreled rifles are more regulated because *drumroll* they are too similar to pistols. But because pistols were de-regulated without addressing the rifles, people now manufacture short rifles and call them pistols.
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chrisexv62 days ago
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CT closed that "loophole" 3 years ago with the current awb. Unless the criminal registered it with the state.
Will be interesting to see what charges actually make it through because CT tends to drop a lot of gun related offenses.
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06_TBSS2 days ago
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If you check out the article, he was hit with several gun-related charges.
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chrisexv62 days ago
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Correct.
"illegal possession of an assault weapon, criminal possession of a firearm, possession of a large-capacity ammunition magazine and trespassing."
CT tends to drop the ones that might be ruled unconstitutional..if you charge someone with it, they have "standing" and can sue the state (not that many people would, but its a possibility).
My guess is they keep the "criminal possession of a firearm" charge, because there is a federal precedent for such a thing.
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Antoak2 days ago
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There's extra regulations around short barreled rifles and shotguns. The supreme Court has essentially crippled those restrictions by very literal and specific interpretations of definitions.
So now you can sidestep restrictions around burst-fire with things like binary triggers or bump stocks, and say it's a pistol instead of an SBR by putting a "wrist brace" on the back even though it's shaped like a stock wink wink
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caugryl2 days ago
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Nothing, that's exactly what it is. The "brace" can be used as a stock, although the rules say "holding it that way counts as an illegal modification". This was simply a way of getting around laws about short barreled rifles by arguing that because you can fire it with one point of contact, it's a pistol.
One could argue that it benefits disabled people by allowing them to use an AR with only one arm, but that's not how it's mostly used.
Which is dumber: a brace makes it a pistol (although can be used as a rifle) OR that holding it like a rifle constitutes an illegal modification? Hard to judge honestly.
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bagelwholedonutwhole2 days ago
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And assault bananas
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BloodNinja20122 days ago
You are getting down voted for asking the same reasonable question i had. What am I missing?
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myislanduniverse2 days ago
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Owning certain rifles with a short barrel/no-stock is illegal without special licenses (tax stamps), but if you register it with the ATF as a pistol then you can. As far as I understand/recall, once you have the serial registered as a handgun you can't ever convert it back even if it would be trivial to swap out the parts.
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06_TBSS2 days ago
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If it's been registered as a pistol, you can convert it to a rifle, but not vice-versa. It's generally recommended that AR lowers be registered either as a pistol or AOW for this very reason. Once registered as a rifle, there's zero options for anything other, unless you file to make it an SBR.
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memberzs2 days ago
No. They look like normal AR platform firearms available in both rifle and pistol variations (the only legal difference is measurements and if a stock is mounted according to ATF)
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VanGlutenFaht2 days ago
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It's more of a legal term. Just refers to an AR with a barrel <16in. There are certain rules about what attachments can be put on a "pistol".
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The_Grungeican2 days ago
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Never seen a El Camino?
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SYLOH2 days ago
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A sport utility gun.
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swidboy2 days ago
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Truck-style car still makes sense, its more of a car that looks like a truck.
It's a pistol that looks like an ar, but meets the legal definition of a pistol and not a rifle. Legally it doesnt matter how it "looks" but rather measurements and features
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mastawyrm2 days ago
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So a ranchero, El Camino, brat, Baja, or Santa Cruz?
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DeHerg2 days ago
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An SUV is technically (US rules) a car style truck, or as someone put it "non-passenger work passenger family vehicles". [https://www.jalopnik.com/2111008/how-non-passenger-work-vehicle-became-family-car/](https://www.jalopnik.com/2111008/how-non-passenger-work-vehicle-became-family-car/)
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06_TBSS2 days ago
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It's literally a pistol built off of the AR platform. How else would you describe it?
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Fluffy_Piccolo3572 days ago
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You just described an el Camino.
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Mister_mayham-2 days ago
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Im guessing you think the same about AR style shotguns. Yes they exist.
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memberzs2 days ago
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So a ute?
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Micromagos2 days ago
AR-15's are shapeshifters they can literally turn into anything these days.
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TheBatemanFlex2 days ago
Probably a carbine. The lower is pretty much a pistol and then it has a longer barrel and a stock. They shoot lower caliber like 9mm.
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VicFatale2 days ago
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All these comments dismissive of the story because they don’t like the description of the gun used.
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T-Bills2 days ago
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At least they didn't use "slam" in the headline
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dieyoufool31 day ago
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*Listnookor SLAMS headline for lacking this one particularly sensational word in its title*
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Awfulweather2 days ago
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There is nothing incorrect about the description of the firearm
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myislanduniverse2 days ago
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https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/pistols.html
Did it occur to you to just type the words into Google and see what might come up
Here's a nice Google summary:
>An AR pistol is a firearm built on the AR-15 platform featuring a barrel shorter than the legal 16-inch rifle requirement and no attached stock, distinguishing it from a short-barreled rifle (SBR) and allowing it to bypass National Firearms Act (NFA) registration and $200 tax stamp requirements in most jurisdictions.
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myislanduniverse2 days ago
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I just did? It's not an uncommon term, it's one used by the ATF.
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porcinechoirmaster2 days ago
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AR doesn't stand for assault rifle, it stands for armalite rifle. It's a brand. Although I suppose it's more technically accurate to say "Colt AR-15 style" these days, since the brand changed ownership.
So an AR-15 pistol is a firearm that is legally a pistol, but uses AR-15 compatible hardware like magazines, receiver, barrel, etc.
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starmartyr2 days ago
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Personally I'd classify an AR style pistol as a carbine rather than a pistol US gun laws are just weird when it comes to classification.
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porcinechoirmaster2 days ago
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A carbine, at least in modern use, is a rifle formfactor weapon (meaning it has a stock and a foregrip) that shoots pistol cartridges. An AR-style pistol is the inverse of that; it's a pistol formfactor weapon (so theoretically no stock or foregrip) that shoots rifle cartridges.
In practice, all these pistol-style AR weapons are for is doing an end-run around the SBR restrictions, and the "wrist brace" is very clearly a stock.
Edit: Historically, a carbine was just a short-barreled rifle, _maybe_ featuring lighter cartridges for portability and QCB use.
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Awfulweather2 days ago
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Your quote is wrong. It said AR pistol. As in, a short stockless variant of the AR-15. Pretty normal to refer to any DI gun as an AR. No one said anything about assault rifle style
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Awfulweather2 days ago
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Because AR dosen't stand for assault rifle. It refers to any AR-15 pattern rifle. Plenty of other comments explaining what an AR pistol is. No such thing as an assault rifle pistol
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Awfulweather2 days ago
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Cant argue with ignorance. You could just google this and learn something new instead of insisting you're correct. Good day
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ObjectiveDark402 days ago
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Yes, a weapon that is pistol length that fires a rifle cartridge.
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WizardWolf2 days ago
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So, like an FN Five-Seven?
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ObjectiveDark402 days ago
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No. Because the 5.7x28mm was designed specifically to replace the 9mm (a classic pistol cartridge)at the request of NATO.
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Fallouttgrrl2 days ago
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"A man carrying a backpack with an AR-style pistol inside was arrested Thursday after walking into health insurer Aetna’s headquarters in Connecticut, police said."
So like
A machine pistol?
Or a Scooty-puff Jr. AR-15
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bubba-yo2 days ago
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AR stands for 'Armalite'. AR-24 is a pistol. AR-17 is a shotgun.
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Krewtan2 days ago
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Always reminds me of this song
"Well, the army came to visit me, 'twas in the early hours,
With Saladins and Saracens and Ferret armoured cars
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
With the armour piercing bullets of my little Armalite"
Armalite sounds really cool with an Irish accent.
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kingargon2 days ago
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don’t forget the ar12, a semi auto shotgun on an ar platform! honestly my favorite gun in my collection!
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tensor-ricci2 days ago
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An AR-style pistol is literally just a regular AR15 but with a barrel less than 16 inches long (usually 11, 13, or 14.5 inches), a stabilizing brace instead of a stock, and no foregrip. The brace + no foregrip is the legal workaround to not be in possession of a short barrel rifle (SBR), which requires special permission from the ATF.
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kingargon2 days ago
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oh shit I forget, adding a verti grip makes it a AOW. HAHAHA! f*** the atf!
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kingargon2 days ago
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so ar pistol means it’s a short barrel (carbine) ar with no stock so you cant shoulder it. A machine pistol is a pistol capable of full auto fire. ar pistols can be made full auto with a drop in auto sear (illegal pretty much). a Glock 18c would be considered a machine pistol. hope that helps!
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Micromagos2 days ago
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Nope any time the media is talking about an AR style weapon they almost always are talking about an ArmaLite Rifle (AR) weapon. Considering it's the cheapest, easiest to buy, and most modifiable rifle in the US. Just about every mass shooting incident involves that a weapon based on the ArmaLite Rifle design.
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SYLOH2 days ago
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Also it does stand for Assault Rifle in certain guns, like the [SAR-21](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAR_21).
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SYLOH2 days ago
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I'm talking about the letters AR standing for Assault Rifle. And there are several guns where the AR in their names mean Assault Rifle.
Sure Armalite makes guns and puts Armalite Rifle in their names, but for some other guns it means Assault Rifle.
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kingargon2 days ago
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holy shit that’s what I’m naming my new ar build hahaha! the “Scooty-puff Jr. AR-15” hahahaha!
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Oddgeir-danski2 days ago
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So, only the insurance companies are allowed violence?
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missed_sla2 days ago
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What if the votes didn't work?
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NoApplauseNecessary2 days ago
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vote who? Everyone is backed by insurance, voting doesn't work when both sides are bought
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ActualSpiders2 days ago
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"AR style pistol"? JFC these people...
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Micromagos2 days ago
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[https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/pistols.html](https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/pistols.html) I mean it IS an AR style pistol lol.
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ailish2 days ago
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Not that I condone violence, but when is universal healthcare ever put up for a vote nationally?
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ailish2 days ago
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Obamacare was not even close to universal healthcare.
Perhaps these people ARE voting for universal healthcare....
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Shaquarington_Bithus2 days ago
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Bro could have done that. Bro could have 5 months to live because Aetna delayed his treatment - how is he gonna vote for it in that case? Voting for universal healthcare won’t happen with a Republican in office so it’s 2026 senate races that are important this year - does this dudes state have a non progressive senator up for reelection this year?
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Medusa-Damage2 days ago
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“AR style pistol” I had no idea there was such a thing- considering AR stands for automatic rifle.
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ObjectiveDark402 days ago
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That is NOT what AR stands for. Just use Google, bub.
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Mo-Cance2 days ago
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You're either misinformed, or you dropped the /s
AR stands for ArmaLite, the company that patented the design of those rifles.
Also, civilian versions of AR's are not automatics. They only fire in semi-automatic, ie one round fires per trigger pull.
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Oddgeir-danski2 days ago
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“I’m an expert. But I’m also ignorant.”
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Medusa-Damage2 days ago
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Yea so… not an expert. Never claimed to be. I just had no idea. But all you a-holes keep down voting and ridiculing me, it obviously turns you ammo sexual on.
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