If you read his autobiography you would know he was a terrible human who had nothing but disdain for women, including his girlfriends and even his own mother. He was never shy about how he treated the groupies and prostitutes he slept with, and wrote at length about the sexual things he would do to humiliate them both in private and in front of others. And that was released in 1998. Anyone who doesn’t believe that he’s been terrible to the women in his life is delusional.
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ehchvee1 day ago
+223
That book was absolutely chilling - I don't know what I'd gone in expecting, but good lord, he made himself sound like human garbage. Imagine the truth being even worse...
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ai_art_is_art1 day ago
+88
What I don't understand is why the media at the time elevated and gave him a platform. Like, this was public knowledge in the 90's and 00's.
IIRC, he was going on Howard Stern's show regularly and getting promoted for exactly this behavior.
Frankly, I think Howard Stern must have skeletons in his closet. I don't think anything has come out, but he platformed so many of these types of folks.
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SlowRoast2423 hr ago
+86
Have you ever heard or seen Howard sterns show in the 90’s? He had a literal “Ms Butterface” competition where he brought in women with paper bags on their heads, had them get naked and then rated their bodies before removing the bag and humiliating them for how ugly they were. The 90’s were a whole different world from what it is today.
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NojoNinja1 day ago
+78
Howard Stern doesn’t have any skeletons because he publicly aired them all on his radio show. Dude was doing absolutely insano shit in the 90s and early 2000s. 90% of the time he’d pay women to humiliate themselves on camera, including making family members make out or get naked in front of one another. Not to mention all the generalized insane shit he’d say to people. He basically would invite people on to bully them.
I get he chilled out and at least politically speaking is on the right side of history (now) but some of that shit shouldn’t have just been forgotten about.
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vivikush17 hr ago
+25
I know it’s tame comparatively, but I feel the same way about Jimmy Kimmel and the man show.
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RumHamComesback14 hr ago
+4
Let's be real here there was consent and a lot of those women knew what they were getting into and people were tuning into it. They were adults and were told what they were going to do in the studio and they were fine with it. Some women are fine with that and I don't judge.
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JuiceBawks4201 day ago
+43
It was viewed as an act back then 🤷
Source: im 39 and there were lots of urban myths about him that were passed around alot. It got to the point that after awhile his image was a joke to those from the outside looking in.
America went through mass hysteria over artists once with KISS... safe to say... those same kids 20 years later just pushed his image off as a facade and an extreme version of something like they grew up with.
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Beanz4ever19 hr ago
+15
I'm 42 and this is my take too. We thought it was an act more than a baring of his true soul. He was someone we rolled our eyes at, but his music sometimes slapped.
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big_red__man21 hr ago
+4
I thought he was the logical evolution of kiss, Alice cooper, and the satanic panic of the 80’s. Now I know better.
There was a weird period of time after the Soviet Union fell where America didn’t have a sworn enemy and thoughtful alternative music became popular. Then terrorists became the enemy and Marilyn Manson gave parents something to fear.
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JuiceBawks42021 hr ago
+3
You aren't really far off. Rock has influenced the US quite a bit... I recommend checking out "All Shook Up: How Rock 'n' Roll Changed America" by Glenn Altschuler.
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imathrowawaylurkin22 hr ago
+11
The Columbine shooting did a lot of that work. He was being blamed for it by parents, the public, leaders, and media because they alleged the shooters listened to his music and dressed in trench coats. As a kid I remember the news talking about and arguing back and forth with reporters, him, parents, etc about it.
A lot of discourse ramped up about music, movies, etc causing people and kids to be violent. He became a somewhat sympathetic/"misunderstood" figure for being blamed for such an awful tragedy.
Edited: added some words/tried to fix phrasing
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Badboblfg19 hr ago
+11
Manson’s Columbine interviews were definitely a big win for his public persona and reputation because he managed to give thoughtful, articulate responses. When asked what he would say to the kids/community of Columbine he responded “I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.”
That being said, anybody who bothered to read “Long Hard Road out of Hell” would know that Manson is, by his own admission, a massive piece of shit, abuser, and manipulator.
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TheAngriestChair22 hr ago
+8
Up until the later 00s this was just standard acceptable behavior for "artists".
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Impossible_Music_15822 hr ago
+10
I mean people elected trump and didn’t bat an eye 🤷♀️
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crowislanddive14 hr ago
+2
Howard Stern did a ton to normalize Trump.
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Muted_Bee711121 hr ago
+2
If stern had any skeletons they'd be found & EXPOSED by now.
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Faleinn1 day ago
+43
I was a huge Manson fan from ages 13 to 19. His autobiography wasn't widely accessible to me until I was in my early 20s, but I always coveted it, and as soon as I could get my hands on it I dug in.
Almost immediately I got a really bad feeling; the things he was writing about his grandfather made me so uncomfortable. Then came the groupie stories, the hatred for women and the desperate need to punish them as revenge for the attention he didn't get from his female peers at school. He was open about how his drug use numbed him and made him seek further thrills, and all the humiliation he subjugated others to in order to get his kicks. Fangirls, groupies, band members - no one was immune, it seemed, but it all had such a sick sexual note to it when it came to women, whereas he just came off as petty and jealous towards the men in his life.
I finished the book and soon found that his music didn't hit the same for me anymore. It just reminded me of who he had admitted to being, and all the little things I'd taken as clever jokes and playing on words, were nothing more than a sadistic, jealous, disgusting little man bragging about himself and the vile things he did. It grossed me out. To realize that this was a rare reaction among many of his fans, was however the biggest shock, and in some way even worse.
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Grimogtrix1 day ago
+52
I was close to someone who recommended reading that autobiography when I was a teen- they thought I'd empathise with it and with him as a kind of misanthropic reject. I took one look at it and the misogny and just.. denial of women's humanity was just so blatant all the way through.
Back then it was seen just supremely uncool and killjoy to not be okay with that kind of thing as well. It felt taboo to not be able to stomach it, and even though I did say I didn't like it I felt kind of alienated for seeing what others didn't acknowledge.
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Puglady251 day ago
+27
I remember that time period, and it was very darkly misogynistic. I'm sorry somebody exposed you to that.
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Wolfwoods_Sister22 hr ago
+13
The misogyny and cynicism of that time nearly destroyed my sanity. I was a teenager in the 90s, and I was in a nearly all-male career. The hazing and misogyny were nightmarish at times. The messaging from society was awful too. I held on to myself bc I was a punk and refused to be consumed, but I still internalized a lot of hate and negging bc it was like a firehose directed at women. You couldn’t avoid it.
I’ll never forget how dark and hateful things were. I’m sorry we had to go through that. 🫂
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Keyezeecool1 day ago
+102
I can't understand why Rose McGowan of all people still denies he was a bad person.
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Useful-Soup81611 day ago
+64
I could be mistaken but didn’t she just say this wasn’t her experience with him but she believes and stands with the victims?
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Tasty_Goat_32671 day ago
+18
Yes but the modern “media” doesn’t like context.
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excusetheblood1 day ago
+67
If I’m not mistaken, isn’t Dita Von Teese somewhat empathetic towards him as well?
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Marrow-Sun77261 day ago
+42
Dita has said that she didn't witness him abuse anyone or get abused herself. I think the worst thing she said about him was that they divorced because he was drunk all of the time.
I think they were both at his birthday party in January, along with Billy Corgan, James Iha and John 5.
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Gold_Warning_861822 hr ago
+21
If you listen closely to the things Dita speaks and writes, it’s very clear she is uncomfortable with vulnerability. Having been “abused” by a partner makes you vulnerable and in her mind, she has to disavow it. Which is why she claims Manson never abused her despite publically stating on multiple occasions that he would throw things at her and break windows and objects in drug/alcohol fueled rages. That’s abuse regardless of if he ever put his hands on her. Ditas personal politics around feminism are also a bit dubious. Dita and Rose also strike me as women who don’t require a lot emotionally from their partners. It’s very possibly that their beauty and success made them trophies for Manson. And they didnt challenge him emotionally and weren’t easily shaken by his behavior (denying him the emotional response he feeds on). Couple that with touring schedules there probably wasn’t a lot of time for things to really escalate. It makes sense that when he moved on he chose younger and more vulnerable women as targets.
Also, Rose recently walked back her survivor support claiming she’s had dinner with him and read court records that no one else has access to. Unfortunately I think her own trauma history has really damaged her perception in this situations.
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TillamookTramp22 hr ago
+8
Manson pursued Rose specifically after seeing her in a movie- I do feel like she was a trophy for him and was a definite symbol of his success. She was in Scream and Jawbreaker around this time, so they were viewed as a 90s couple due to their popularity.
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Marrow-Sun772622 hr ago
+3
I hadn't read anything about him throwing things at her when he was messed up, but I totally believe it.
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Federal_Tension_593920 hr ago
+2
Believe women.
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Adultery1 day ago
+25
Are these people good judges of character or something?
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happyhippohats1 day ago
+35
I mean Rose McGowan was one of the first to come forward about Harvey Weinstein (although it was buried at the time) and Dita Von Tease was married to Marilyn Manson for two years.
I don't know if they're 'good judges of character' but I feel like their opinions are relevant.
To be clear though, neither is really siding with Manson as far as I've seen.
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LimeGreenTangerine971 day ago
+19
I think she stays quiet so he doesn’t sue the shit out of her.
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Marrow-Sun77261 day ago
+64
Dita was already an established name at the time they met, same with Rose McGowan, I think he made a conscious decision on who he mistreated and who he didn't. Abusers can't get anyone on their side if they abuse everyone.
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TillamookTramp22 hr ago
+14
This. A lot of people think Michael Jackson having Culkin testify on his behalf at his trial/hearing meant he couldn't have been a child molestor. It just means he didn't molest Culkin.
Abusers don't abuse everyone they meet.
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Marrow-Sun772622 hr ago
+8
100%. The only reason why Mac would have met Michael Jackson is because he was already that kid from Home Alone.
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TillamookTramp21 hr ago
+7
Yep; Jackson wasn't going to go after an incredibly famous child star.
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LimeGreenTangerine9722 hr ago
+7
Oh I know. I was emotionally abused by a man I was in a long distance relationship with. He was the pillar of his community and everyone at his work loved him. They can’t be abusive to everyone. It doesn’t serve their purposes
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MavMIIKE1 day ago
+29
Rose has been pretty clear that he treated her well but she can't speak on how her treated other women because she doesn't know.
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MPLS_Poppy1 day ago
+21
Rose is very explicit about how she expects people to back her in standing up against the people who abused her. And it’s incredibly hypocritical to be like ”well, he was nice to me” about a known abuser of women when you regularly denounce other people for not doing what you yourself will not do.
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dookieduck881 day ago
+8
She didn’t denounce what other women went through with him, she clearly said she doesn’t know and can’t speak on that, just that she didn’t experience that with him. Very matter of factly.
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MPLS_Poppy1 day ago
+7
But she expects women who publicly have said they didn’t know about her abuse to stand by her. To speak on her situation. That’s hypocrisy. It’s one rule for thee, but another for me. I believe women. I stand by women. But I think Rose is a hypocrite.
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Gold_Warning_861822 hr ago
+5
She actually has, indirectly, by stating she believes Manson is remorseful for how he treated HER, and that he showed her court files that suggest he is innocent. Rose is not mentally/emotionally well. Which is sad because she is brilliantly smart and talented.
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bobsnervous1 day ago
+16
That is a real random one like. Shes probably at that age same as that female actor who claimed Harvey weinstein has learnt his lesson. Im thinking meryl streep but its difficult to imagine that but it was deffo the last person youd imagine to say something like that.
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MaeBelleLien1 day ago
+29
It was Judi Dench, not realizing she could just shut up.
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ExcellentBed60191 day ago
+24
"he was never weird towards me" says woman four times the age of his victims
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RestorationBrandDan1 day ago
+12
Narcissists aren't inherently irredeemable, and some people are really well positioned to bring out their better qualities. The abuse is a form of addiction, with power as the drug. It can even be consensual in some instances/in the beginning, but with ready access to "disposable teen bodies," the addiction ramps up, and magnifies the underlying narcissistic traits, until the narcissistic shell is the one calling all the shots.
It's not a binary, good/bad person thing. People with narcissistic tendencies can develop healthy relationships with other people, and a lot of the worst behaviors can be mitigated or transformed in the right contexts. That said, if those traits are enabled/indulged, particularly if the proto-narcissist finds themselves in a position of power over others, the results can be horrific.
I find it very plausible that Wood was a highly sensitive child/teenager who felt a lot of anger and resentment over a lack of power and control over his life, created an alter ego to take back that sense of control, but the more power Marilyn Manson gained, the more the worst aspects of himself were enabled, until he became the monster he had been pretending to be.
In relationships, then, he could have been a very reasonable partner to women who didn't trigger his narcissistic "prey drive," all while the availability of thousands of young men /women who had bought into his dark rock god persona fueled the darkness within him until it consumed him.
This isn't a defense of Manson, but it does help illustrate how narcissism is a complex set of psychological, interpersonal and environmental interactions which develop over time rather than a fixed set of personality traits which automatically makes somebody evil. Drugs, alcohol, fame and power can make a lot of really insane behaviors feel quite reasonable in the moment, and once certain lines get crossed, the only paths forward are to double down or to get sober and introspect, which gets more difficult the farther down that road you've gone.
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TillamookTramp22 hr ago
+5
A documentary about him mentioned that what Brian Warner was there, its gone and its just Marilyn Manson now.
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jstropes1 day ago
+38
The general line of thought was that it was the "autobiography" of his stage persona and highly embellished or fictionalized with multiple people who were there disputing what's in the book. This would make sense when paired with his music.
The line of thinking that everyone "should have known" because he created a shock-rock/horror persona is ludicrous and feeds into silly stereotypes besides just being lazy. It's easy to take all of his writing with the benefit of hindsight and point stuff out as questionable. However, if you take this line of thinking outside of this scenario it's clear just how ridiculous it is - are all horror writers and directors secret serial killers? Of course not. Most artists in any medium with an invented persona are not *actually* like those characters...
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Vanderlust07771 day ago
+14
Take this with a grain of salt, I was like 12 so I could be wrong or misread
I read a bit of it when I was younger and had to stop. I put it down when he was talking about how his grandfather would use his throat hole from smoking too much for sexual reasons
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Happy-Gnome1 day ago
+25
Idk how many more new sentences we have left
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0ver9000Chainz1 day ago
+22
Obviously, I'm not condoning what he did, I'm just confused people find out he's a monster when it's right there in his lyrics and autobiography
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Grape_Mentats_1 day ago
+21
I was a pretty big fan of his music during my teenage years. I read his autobiography when I was around 15, and walked away from it thinking " Wow, he's actually a massive piece of shit".
The thing about him though, is that he's never really tried to hide it, he's been telling people for like 3 decades now who he is.
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Wolfwoods_Sister22 hr ago
+3
Good for you for not shrugging it off and saying “it was just a joke, bro”. You had more awareness than many.
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pullingteeths1 day ago
+16
Lyrics are often fictional, you get that right? At the time people thought it was a persona
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0ver9000Chainz1 day ago
+18
I'm fully aware, thank you. Marilyn Manson detested Alice Cooper due to his persona and considered him "fake" for being a decent person off stage. Manson hated being the artist and preferred being the art instead.
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Bart-Harley-Jarvis-1 day ago
+7
Yeah, it's totally not a red flag to have a r*** persona.
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pullingteeths1 day ago
+9
That's not the point, it's not that you're smart and everyone then was stupid, it just wasn't viewed that way at the time. Shock value and edgy lyrics/persona to make a point against conservative censorship was a big thing at that time and people didn't have the benefit of knowing about the shit he's accused of or confirmed to have been doing like we do now. There are plenty of artists with "evil" lyrics that aren't bad people
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border199x1 day ago
+7
Did Ozzy Osbourne or Alice Cooper worship Satan? Not really, despite a lot of their music and interviews claiming such. KISS was supposed to be an acronym for "Knights In Satan's Service."
People largely just assumed that Manson was adopting an edgy stage persona the way many other rock/metal acts did.
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Titrifle1 day ago
+2
People haven't heard his lyrics in a quarter century or read his book, however he's a cultural shit stain that just won't go away.
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pcmtx1 day ago
+11
No kidding. I remember when I was like 13 or 14 reading a story about him in Rolling Stone where the writer was riding with him on tour, and he sounded like a monster. That was before 2000. I don't know how anyone thought he could be anything but.
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Ouibeaux1 day ago
+6
His autobiography made me never want to listen to him again. So gross.
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olivebits1 day ago
+2
Can you give some examples?
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Goodeyesniper9823 hr ago
+3
My mom was a huge fan of him until she read that book. Her review of the book was “he’s a piece of shit”.
She’s seen him live multiple times and even met him and got a hug from him, but she didn’t really want anything to do with his music after that.
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RevelArchitect1 day ago
+1
If you read the autobiography and didn’t understand it was the backstory for the Marilyn Manson character full of fictional inclusions, and not an actual autobiography of his life, you missed some major context.
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witch--king1 day ago
+54
Wild how Trent Reznor called MM’s ass out for being a piece of shit and he just continued to get worse.
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frex_mcgee18 hr ago
+18
Reznor seems legit so I’d believe it.
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witch--king18 hr ago
+15
Starfucker Inc. is written primarily about Manson. Called his ass out in the 90s.
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Halloween_Barbie17 hr ago
+6
Oh really? For some reason I thought that was about Courtney Love
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witch--king17 hr ago
+4
Yes, her, too, and Billy Corgan. All three, basically!
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UhhhMelvinDoo1 day ago
+455
Sometimes you listen to an artists music in spite of their bad opinions or poor actions.
Other times you just wash that freak down the drain and never give them another second of listening time.
Thanks for making 7th grade bearable Marilyn, now rot in hell you narcissistic abusive pig.
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MohandasGandhi1 day ago
+127
Manson is definitely one of the artists I will never touch again. His rot comes out in his music. I hope he’s as miserable as he’s always been and completely alone.
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MisterWharf1 day ago
+25
I saw him live, it was the worst performance I’ve ever seen.
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HmmJustABox1 day ago
+18
Same. It was Mayhem Fest 2009. He was drunk as f*** and couldn’t remember half the words to his songs. I’ve seen a lot of shows, and he was the worst.
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Basic-Tonight60061 day ago
+73
God this is like Lost Prophets. A few of my all time favorite songs I now can't listen to without feeling dirty. At least the guy's dead now so I don't have to feel guilty about any royalties going to him
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enthalpy011 day ago
+29
I was totally unaware about the Lost Prophets thing until YEARS after it happened (it wasn’t big news in the States), when I googled them out of curiosity. God how I miss my ignorance.
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ThatOldGuyWhoDrinks1 day ago
+6
I read the sentencing remarks as part of a law school assignment thinking i could cite it. I didn’t cite it and I wish I never read them
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kingky0te1 day ago
+9
Next thing I’m gonna find out is Smile Empty Soul was into some shit
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BombedShaun1 day ago
+10
All I can say about them is they were dickheads. Bummed me out.
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HipsterPunchy1 day ago
+6
He wasn't for awhile anyway. The remaining members ended the LLC and made a new one without him.
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Smokes_LetsGo8761 day ago
+17
Man I loved Manson so much when I was a kid. Now I cant stand a single one of his songs. Anytime one comes on, I just cringe. Hes so awful that it destroyed any possiblity of separating the art from the artist
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thejoeface1 day ago
+8
I still really really like his music. Like, the music part. But I just can’t enjoy it anymore because of who he is. I just get mad listening to it because he ruined it all.
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eta_volantis1 day ago
+8
This. I think the worse for me is finding out the context of one of my favourite albums at the time. He was very formative for me in my teens, but even with the older albums, I just can't listen to it anymore despite that.
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Icy-Whale-22531 day ago
+15
I never had a strong opinion about Marilyn Manson (his music just never did anything for me… too gimmicky or something) but everything I hear about him is raре abuse raре abuse. So I have no interest in listening at all.
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aloneinspacetime1 day ago
+22
Off topic - I couldn’t figure out how or why I felt like I knew your username. I looked it up, and I haven’t seen that Scooby Doo film since the mid 2000’s. I used to watch the absolute hell out of the dvd, thanks for the random flashback of memories
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MrBones_Gravestone1 day ago
+76
Saw there was a recent tour going on with Rob Zombie, The HU, and O***, was so stoked and ready to buy tickets, until I saw Manson was on the docket. Missing out on an awesome show because of this POS
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astroturfskirt1 day ago
+49
i was bummed out and said to my husband ‘i thought rob zombie was cooler than this..’ then he reminded me of the time [rob zombie complained about the noise from a skate park.](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rob-zombie-complains-about-noise-from-skate-park-200890/)
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Remote-Letterhead8441 day ago
+20
Universal truth - we all become men yelling at clouds &/or for kids to get off your lawn.
/sigh 😕
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tatt2tim22 hr ago
+7
I have a sneaking suspicion that Rob is a massive a******. I really dont want to know because I love his music but there's the skate park think where he yelled at some kids for being too loud, and his obvious obsession with Charles Manson, who the media always forgets was an ultra racist for some reason. Why do you have an X on your forehead, rob? Your hero had a swastika buddy. There's also the stuff about charlie drugging up a cults worth of young women so he could f*** them and the murders he ordered.
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Haunting-Ad78818 hr ago
+6
His behavior during Covid suggested he’s right wing.
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smallwonder251 day ago
+5
That really sucks. The HU are awesome
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MrBones_Gravestone1 day ago
+3
Right? That whole lineup (sans abusing rapist) would have been awesome to see
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Jolly-Hour-664219 hr ago
+3
Rob Zombie is also a pos if it makes you feel any better (or worse lol).
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piranhadub1 day ago
+22
So he has/had a line of absinthe, I run a bar and we used to carry it. He came to town to film some stuff and he pulled up to our bar. We were doing karaoke, he sang Wonderwall and I’m bringing Sexyback. We got his autograph on the absinthe bottle but I kinda don’t even want it any more.
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onandonandonandoff1 day ago
+11
What a rollercoaster
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sLeeeeTo1 day ago
+575
i mean.. of course he did.
this is awful, but i couldn’t be any less surprised.
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Jack-of-Hearts-71 day ago
+33
It's always the ones you most expect
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CajunRoyalty1 day ago
+37
I remember loving the absolute f*** out of Portrait. And then the next album came out and I thought “Oh. This guy takes himself SERIOUSLY” and have been making fun of him ever since. It’s not quite vindication but it’s pretty darn close.
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BiggusDickus461 day ago
+2
He took the character he was writing about in a concept album seriously, yes.
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adorablesexypants1 day ago
+11
I am a millennial and was always told of shitty artists that you can separate the art from the artist.
“Oh but their music is so impactful/great though”
“Having that idea is so childish, life and people are more complex. Things are not black and white but shades of grey, you’ll understand when you get older.”
For a time I really believed that.
Shit continued to pile up, allegations, stupid statements and stunts, and eventually it just became too hard to ignore.
Gaiman’s books now sit in a box in the basement even though Sandman and Good Omens were a huge part of my time in high school.
Manson’s music is only played on a shuffle and even then usually skipped.
Im not in high school anymore and it is okay to demand that people act like decent human beings.
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Gloomy-Percentage7811 day ago
+11
There is no fiber of my being that could ever be persuaded, even marginally, to disbelieve that he did this.
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Novasagooddog1 day ago
+151
F*** him to hell. Justice hasn’t been done. And I hope he gets what he has earned.
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K-ghuleh1 day ago
+43
He’s still selling out venues for his next tour so not likely, unfortunately.
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NastyMothaFucka1 day ago
+10
Of course he is. Sad because he shouldn’t be able to sell a single ticket now. Even sadder though is that even though a lot of us know what’s going on with trash like him cause we are on Listnook or online or read the news or whatever, there is still a large amount of people that probably have no idea that he’s even done anything like this. Or even sadder, know and don’t care.
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ProfessionalIll704122 hr ago
+6
As is Chris Brown. Pretty maddening.
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Chemistry111 day ago
+79
I saw this was about Evan Rachel Wood before being blocked by paywall. Is there something new here, or just dredging up a 5+ year old story?
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Thisusernameforever21 day ago
+29
Me scrolling down to find this exact info
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K_Linkmaster1 day ago
+12
First mention of who it was. I was assuming her or rose McGowan.
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Keyezeecool1 day ago
+11
For some unfathomable reason Rose defends him/denies any knowledge of him being bad
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Miss_Maple_Dream1 day ago
+23
She spent the first nine or ten years of her life in the children of god/the family international cult. She’s got to have some issues from that.
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OldMaidLibrarian1 day ago
+11
Sometimes people do behave differently with one person than they do another. Rose and Dita were much closer to his age, whereas Evan Rachel was considerably younger, and, unfortunately, probably easier to manipulate. Although clearly Rose and Dita got to see enough of his bad side that they eventually GTFO...
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OtherwiseGap54571 day ago
+2
Maybe nothing bad happened when she was dating him?
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whatacatchdanny1 day ago
+6
He got punched in the face at a Denny's
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TillamookTramp22 hr ago
+3
Hmmm, not Waffle House?
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hieronymus_clock1 day ago
+6
This tracks about as much as anything can
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chrisshaffer1 day ago
+22
Most of the comments in this thread are awful. Just victim blaming of a woman who was raped and physically and psychologically tortured from a young age.
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CrotasScrota841 day ago
+37
What a piece of dog shit
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Rage4Order4181 day ago
+5
Could have told me this when I was in high school in the late 90s and I would easily believe this
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Robinthehutt1 day ago
+55
Haven’t we already done this in court?
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HelloInterwebz1 day ago
+29
New documentary coming out
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lamancha1 day ago
+11
Ah so this is why this is popping on again
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HoneyReasonable93161 day ago
+4
I didn’t expect him to be like Mr Roger’s. So this isn’t really earth-shattering news to me. Awful though.
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isanyofitreal1 day ago
+4
Humans truly are the worst and that will never change, unfortunately
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throwawaylol6666661 day ago
+111
I hate how Dita Von Teese was basically like “that wasn’t my experience with Manson so I can’t vouch for this.” Like… so f****** what? She wasn’t an impressionable teenager when they got together, so he didn’t feel as emboldened to treat her in such horrendous ways. Ugh. She’s a disappointment.
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KuntaKillmonger1 day ago
+19
Why is that a bad thing to say? It wasn't her experience with him. That's the truth. It's not wrong to speak the truth. What happened to Wood is also true and there's nothing wrong with saying it.
I believe Manson is a piece of shit abuser and ERW is telling the truth. 100%. I also believe he didn't pull the same stuff on Dita so she can't corroborate any of it. That can also be true. When some rando reporter asks you about some other people's incident, which they likely did with Dita, there's nothing wrong with saying "That didn't happen to me. I can't co-sign that."
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ContempoCasuals1 day ago
+95
That and abusers don’t always abuse every person they’re with anyway and it’s weird that people assume he would act the same to every partner.
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RoddyViper1 day ago
+17
> it’s weird that people assume he would act the same to every partner.
Is it though? A lot of people, rightly or wrongly, are in the "a leopard can't change its spots" camp when it comes to abusers these days, so it might genuinely surprise those people if he's had relationships without that dynamic
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rwags20241 day ago
+25
> so I can’t vouch for this.”
… how could she?
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ThundercatsHoooah1 day ago
+13
That’s not what she said in her post. She said she was making the post because an enormous amount of people were messaging her about it and she felt she needed to address it cause people were contacting her thinking she was abused. She said her relationship issues with him was not abuse but infidelity and addiction, she said she supports and believes the victims but had to be honest about the fact she wasn’t physically abused. I’m sure after receiving hundreds of messages asking if your ex beat and raped you makes you want to clarify things but she did not throw the victims under the bus.
And if you want to not like Dita dislike her for paying her performers unlivable wages while staying politically silent cause she knows older maga are a big source of her ticket sales.
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+47
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throwawaylol6666661 day ago
+56
Which is when you do what Rose McGowan did: say that just because it didn’t happen to you doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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SixGunSnowWhite1 day ago
+12
Dita did say that even if it wasn’t her personal experience with MM, she believed women and hoped those [who were abused find healing](https://ew.com/music/dita-von-teese-speaks-out-abuse-allegations-marilyn-manson/).
He cheated on her with ERW. Maybe she doesn’t want to outright cheer on the person who helped destroy her marriage. (IMO Cheating with a known married person is trashbag behavior, even if most of the onus is on the married partner. Yes, ERW was much younger but everyone knows cheating is not kind.)
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jewdiful22 hr ago
+5
I mean ERW was basically a child then so, I would hope not.
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secret_squirrels_nut1 day ago
+37
there’s Ashley Morgan Smithline who also accused manson but actually came out afterwards and said she was manipulated by Wood to say the things she did. she actually apologized in a legal filing stating that she was manipulated by Wood into making false statements. there’s also the LA DA who denied to prosecute based on lack of evidence.
that being said i don’t think anyone expected manson to be a pillar or morality and mental health.
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sufficient_bilberry1 day ago
+17
Honestly though, she may also just have been done with it all and wanted to continue her life. Lawsuits like this, especially ones with publicity, are harrowing, doubly so if you have trauma from the case. Even if you win you’ve lost so many years, so much money and your anonymity. So I would take her claim of being ’manipulated’ with a truckload of salt.
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CountVertigo1 day ago
+4
If so though, it would be an inexcusably shitty act to throw ERW under the bus.
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throwawaylol6666661 day ago
+48
I think he has more than a dozen accusers at this point.
It’s possible to be into dark shit and/or struggle with your mental health without being an abusive piece of shit.
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secret_squirrels_nut1 day ago
+12
15 from my understanding. i’m not trying to stick up for the guy. i think a lot of times even bad people usually have support, and probably not everyone had the same relationship with him. but i thought it was worth noting.
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gotu11 day ago
+4
Sorry would you rather they just throw public accusations out there? Does saying “that wasn’t my experience but he still probably did that shit” provide credibility?
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Possible-Courage37711 day ago
+8
i totally agree. I was very disappointed by her response. I know she probably feels some type of way because initially this started as a relationship that broke up her marriage. But obviously that marriage was doomed from the start. For her to act confused especially when you listen to her describe her wedding...Cmon. Maybe he didn't lock Dita in a cage but it definitely wasn't a healthy relationship by any means.
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herecomestherebuttal1 day ago
+4
Yeah, she had enough eyes on her that he’d never get away with it.
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anthrax99991 day ago
+5
Rose McGowan also said the same thing as Dita. Is Rose also a disappointment? They can only speak to their own experience and no one else's.
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pandaappleblossom1 day ago
+3
Yeah, that was really disappointing. I mean, maybe people were prompting her and she just answered a question. But… I don't know.
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Twinkubusz1 day ago
+25
Well what do you expect her to say?
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philodendrin1 day ago
Which time? When she made statements or when she essentially took them back saying Wood coerced her statement? Not exactly a great foundation to build a case.
That being said, I believe Wood. I believe she sufferred and was in a relationship that wasn't healthy. I also believe people who seek celebrity (actors in particular) are seeking validation and to ultimately be adored. There is enough doubt surrounding this that it could be he treated her poorly AND she is now exagerated her treatment to frame herself more as a strong woman who overcame mistreatment rather than a young woman who made poor choices. I mean, she chose to be with a guy named Bryan that dresses like a horror freak and fancies himself a rock star but is just an updated KISS gimmick. Also, the cocaine didn't jump into her nose on its own, we all have to be responsible for our choices.
I think the guy that calls himself Marilyn Manson likes to get freaky but has little imagination, so he looks for actresses who have self-esteem issues, uses drugs to soften them up, sprinkles in generous amounts of self-doubt and molds them. He uses them for sex, probably has them perform some regrettable acts that they feel alot of shame about later. Eventually he gets bored, the relationship fizzles, he discards them and finds a new flavor. Rinse and repeat.
None of his previous partners ever say how amazing the sex was, because it probably wasn't. A woman has to feel safe with their partner to unlock true intimacy and connection - and in that there is no regret. She chose smooth, flashy trash and then wondered why it didn't work out. This isn't blame, this is just how poor choices work out.
Edit; This is just my opinion. I expect a few to disagree.
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DentistPitiful54541 day ago
+22
Im not surprised at all
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MasterDave1 day ago
+35
I just don’t understand how Marylin Manson has fans in 2026. Or any influence on anything at all. Surely he has to have wasted all his cover song one hit wonder money by now?
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pdxcranberry1 day ago
+45
He gave one surprisingly articulate interview in the wake of Columbine and people have been calling him *a sensitive intellectual* because of that for almost thirty years.
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Quixotic_Seal1 day ago
+8
Yeah, I feel like everyone wants to memoryhole the solid decade and a half or so from the late 90s to the mid 2010s; where people who basically only knew him by reputation or who hadn’t read his autobiography regularly gushed over how smart and normal and chill he actually was, and how he was the ultimate example of not judging a book by its cover.
[Case in point,](https://www.listnook.com/r/videos/comments/3nlh1l/still_one_of_my_favorite_interviews_from_marilyn/) from around 11 years ago on Listnook. Thousands of upvotes, most of the comments about how cool a guy he actually is. The worst I could find at a cursory glance was some folks talking about how he’s become drugged out or maybe isn’t as smart as he came off.
I know it’s hard to imagine from a 2026 perspective, but his interviews with Letterman and in Bowling For Columbine were massively influential for his career and laundered his reputation for a very long time. Gotta be one of the best PR moves from a scuzzy celebrity ever made.
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Mrchristopherrr1 day ago
+4
Throughout high school I fully bought into the idea that it was an an act, that he was an intellectual artist pushing boundaries and criticizing what we find obscene. Turns out I was wrong.
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pdxcranberry1 day ago
+2
Guy basically stopped eating his own scabs just long enough to give a sound bite to a documentary and everybody says he's a thought leader.
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natali92331 day ago
+13
He‘s co-headlining a tour with Rob Zombie in the summer so he still has enough fans to make that work. It’s not just with him, but anymore there are so many people that have the mindset that if they believe enough that something is not true, that it isn’t. They won’t listen to reason or facts, they think they can create truth just by believing that it’s what they make it. It’s scary living in the same world as these people.
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worksnake1 day ago
+11
Damn, Rob Zombie’s now going to be smeared with that stink for agreeing to a joint tour. What a dumb move.
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HashhSlingingSlasher1 day ago
+10
What Manson did is disgusting & wrong. That being said, his 3 album run of Antichrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals, & Holy Wood were modern metal classics. Heaven Upside Down & Pale Emperor were very good as well. He definitely wasn’t a 1 hit wonder. I used to be a big fan but it’s hard to separate the artist from the person here.
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LazerShark13131 day ago
+5
His first two albums hold up after all these years
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LeeOfTheStone1 day ago
+3
There's a certain irony to Mark Vicente producing that documentary. One takeaway from *The Vow* that's hard to avoid is that Mark is pretty self-absorbed, himself. He knows the language of narcissists because he is one.
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PitFiend281 day ago
+16
Wait, the guy named after Charles Manson was manipulative and abusive?
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lonelyboy52651 day ago
+10
Pretends to be shocked
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clintgreasewoood1 day ago
+2
Im seeing a pattern here
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GabeDef1 day ago
+2
I thought this doc already came out?
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EffectiveActive68371 day ago
+6
People don't care, he's still out there making money off his fame but i have this strange feeling he's going super Christian soon like brand did
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Cubsfan781 day ago
+4
I feel horrible for her! I hope she is getting better day by day and is as ok is she can be
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FarFromHome1 day ago
+2
It’s always the ones you most expect.
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3six51 day ago
+3
Oh no, another shocking headline about a shock-rocker. I'm so shocked...
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obi_wan_peirogi21 hr ago
+4
I dated a girl that loved him… she got back stage passes to see him… he raped her.
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hhhhqqqqq12091 day ago
+3
Everyone and anyone involved with Marilyn Manson are gross.
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RinaBarbiedolllover1 day ago
+4
Daisy Berkowitz, the cofounding guitarist, was by all accounts, a nice person with multiple fans and friends and he freely gave, for example, guitar advice if asked. Unfortunately he died of cancer in 2017.
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Miserable-Ticket-2441 day ago
+2
He should be held accountable for all crimes. At the same time, I am hard pressed to be surprised. It would be like partying with Ghostmane and surprised that drugs appeared
Hell-flavored, I've got mood poisoning
You must be something that I hate
I'm just a prison of property
Buckets full of better misery
There's not a word for what I want to do to you
You and me and the devil makes 3
Murdercute happyrape
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unidentifiable11221 day ago
+2
I will never forget when that first video of his dropped when I was a little one in the late 90s. I never wanted anything to do with him on the sight of him gave me visceral reactions and nightmares. I’ve met many of him since adulthood.
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taner19921 day ago
+2
Unfortunately she passed that trauma onto her child.
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jediracer23 hr ago
+2
Saw him perform live sometime around 1996, guess that was around his peak? Fucked up shit - he smashed a whiskey bottle and cut his chest all up, tore pages out of a bible, and wiped his bare ass with the American flag.
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Comprehensive_Luck_71 day ago
+5
how come so people still support this absolute monster? I cant wait for him to start getting banned from playing in other countries like they are doing with Falling In Reverse and Kanye West
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Zestyclose-Roll51061 day ago
-10
ERW is by all accounts bat shit. Look up her kidnapping her own child from Jamie Bell and terrorizing the kid. Like Mansons probably not a great guy, but she’s also very mentally ill.
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Harleen__Quinzel1 day ago
+19
It’s almost like there are psychological effects after being abused by someone. What the f*** is this comment.
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LexEight1 day ago
+4
Add someone still struggling with judgement from my own communities 10 years after something like this, thank you for saying this
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Harleen__Quinzel1 day ago
+4
Said it because I am too. You’re not alone. We will persevere.
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Aquawannabe371 day ago
+7
People with mental illness are also common targets for abuse. Wtf is YOUR comment? Tf you upset about? It's a fact.
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GambitsAce231 day ago
Manson fans gonna be crying "But he was found not guilty!"
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dbethel51 day ago
+1
What a way to open Listnook
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bluegirlinaredstate19 hr ago
+1
She made a documentary about this on HBO, I think. So much I did not know about her.
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