I mean, to have your own son testify against you? To have called your son twice and told him you tried to do it and were hiding and we're going to off yourself, and then during the trial say the son must have misunderstood him? What?
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Webgardener2 days ago
+612
And then to have that son only refer to you as “the defendant”, never dad. That son was twice the man his dad was.
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TheSheWhoSaidThats2 days ago
+288
Must have been really difficult for the son. I feel bad for him
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LaterCaterpillar11112 days ago
+174
What he did to his son especially but also his little kids is almost as bad as what he did to his wife .they have now Lost his income and lost their Dad , they now have a traumatized Mother and life long trauma themselves . It’s all terrible . He ruined so many lives the least of which is his own .
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RedsDelights1 day ago
+11
But “women are too emotional”… I can’t stand men, source of all the trouble
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FuklzTheDrnkClwn1 day ago
+22
Right bc we all attempt to murder our partners while on hikes. We can’t help it!
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Lt-Dan-Im-Rollin1 day ago
+20
I know it’s a meme, but “not all men” really applies here. This dude is a psychopath.
This is like me commenting on the post about a teacher cheating on her husband with her underage high school students, “I can’t stand women, they’re all whores”
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IANALbutIAMAcat1 day ago
+1
Not all men, but always a man.
Accusing women of being whores isn’t the same as accusing men of being murderers.
Women are more likely to be murdered by a man than men are to be convicted of murder.
Men are far less likely to be falsely accused by a woman than they are to be murdered by another man.
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CusetheCreator1 day ago
+9
You can defend a wide range of racist, mysoginistic generalizations by citing stats, but I think it's just universally not a good idea to put anyone in a box based on actions of people similar to them, unless you are trying to bring about some broad positive social change.
Women are more likely to be murdered by a man (1.4/100,000) than men are to be convicted of murder (7-8/100,000)
When you show the numbers it's a hard sell
Men are less likely to be falsely accused by a woman than murdered by a man? Accused of what exactly, SA? I cant really find stats for the first part, but that seems like apples to oranges.
I did find that men are 3.5x more likely to be muder victims than women.
Men are clearly more prone to violence, I just think generalizing as a way to put down arbitrary groups or individuals is unfair and unproductive.
'Not all men, but always a man' is undeniably factually wrong.
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Trollensky171 day ago
+8
Hey.. let’s please not do that :(
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Pipelayer69420131 day ago
+4
I’m sure men can’t stand you either
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oh_hello_reddit1 day ago
+6
Are men the source of most murders? Sure. But your comment is still an overgeneralization
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Gone2Far2Return1 day ago
+5
Human, people, not men, not women, f****** humans.
Stop being a man hater.
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James-W-Tate1 day ago
+2
I agree with your criticism before the ellipsis but everything after that is f****** stupid.
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mewcury331 day ago
+4
“Lost income” she’s literally a nuclear engineer
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Amiibohunter0001 day ago
+15
They said “lost his income” regardless of the wife’s income this statement is true.
They’ll be fine bc she is a badass with a great job but losing another income on the level of a dr in Maui will hurt.
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mewcury331 day ago
+4
Ik but a lot of the reporting around this case centers his career and success, the victim being labeled as just the “doctors wife” instead of her own profession leads to comments like this or implications that reinforce negative gender stereotypes
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JadedJellyfish_2 days ago
+16
I’m nervous for him and Arielle if he doesn’t serve much time..
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DrunkOnRedCordial1 day ago
+2
The son was so mature and articulate. The only time he acted like a teenager was when he mentioned the babysitter then had to double back and explain that the babysitter was for his younger siblings, in case anyone thought he still needed a babysitter.
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Ok-Highway-52472 days ago
+249
Gerhardt is a narcissist.
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highpriestess4202 days ago
+131
"I called my son and said I tried to kill her but I didn't mean it!" 😑
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Megatenanon2 days ago
+37
What what the plan then, dude? Just to violently attack her until you stopped feeling bad?
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highpriestess4202 days ago
+40
I guess the syringe was just an accidental coincidence cuz he's an anesthesiologist
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ACynicalOptomist2 days ago
+19
You never know when you're going to have to put someone under.
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Craico131 day ago
+5
“Trail-side surgeries have exploded in popularity in Maui, making Hawaii very popular for medical tourism...” - his lawyer, probably
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Fettnaepfchen1 day ago
+11
This is so funny to me, too, partner is an anaesthesiologist too, and I can think of no scenario where he'd ever have a syringe on him in his free time!
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lemonlime452 days ago
+6
That was the one weak part of the State's case. No syringe was found and the nurse witnesses didn't see it. How did he get through airport security with that? I wonder if that gave the jury doubt about his intention to murder so they went with manslaughter. I personally believe he planned to murder her
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dcDandelion2 days ago
+24
I often self administer B12 injections and have frequently traveled with intramuscular syringes in my luggage, typically in a checked bag. I’ve traveled with filled insulin needles in carry ons without being stopped by TSA.
Did they specify whether he checked his bag?
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EmbarrassedPut37061 day ago
+7
I travel with diabetes meds & supplies all the time. The first time I did it I pulled everything out and told them what it was. The TSA agent said “you don’t need to do that.”
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DrunkOnRedCordial1 day ago
+2
"He must have misunderstood me! Both times I called. And Ari was totally exaggerating about the syringe."
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+57
Surgeons are one of the professions with high rates of narcissistic personality disordered individuals. Vascular and cardiac surgeons I think are the highest.
Anesthesiologists typically fall into a lower tier for NPD but they usually display personality traits such as control. I think that’s his problem is he felt very out of control with the martial situation.
This is all speculation based on data but he could very well be a narcissist.
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4GIFs2 days ago
+34
Went to high school with him in San Diego, 1995. One of the nicest guys, we're shocked. But yes med school selects for extreme drive, bordering on narcissism and he had access to drugs. Not sleeping for a week on amphetamines causes paranoia and deranged behavior.
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EmbarrassedPut37061 day ago
+15
His colleagues all really liked him too which leads me to believe it was more about the feeling of loss of control.
This must be hard to reconcile the person you knew with what he did/attempted to do. I’m sorry you’re having to grapple with that.
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lumophobiaa2 days ago
+5
Thaaaat explains why a a very specific person i know is going to be a heary surgeon my forst thought was “you hate people?” But i suppose theyre open and unconscious lol
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EmbarrassedPut37061 day ago
+9
In the medical field it’s talked about as “the god complex.” Essentially having people’s lives in their hands makes them feel powerful and further inflates their grandiose sense of self.
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dcDandelion2 days ago
+2
Neurosurgeons are top three!
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owwweee2 days ago
+4
….what? Where are you getting this data from…?
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EmbarrassedPut37061 day ago
+5
Here is one study but there are others out there to dive into.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11111449/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20shown%20that%20narcissism,aspects%20of%20narcissism%20in%20surgeons.
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+22
That’s what sealed it for the jury I’m sure. Without his testimony he may have walked.
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KimJongFunk2 days ago
+2436
> The unanimous verdict came after the Honolulu County jury deliberated for more than eight hours. It did not convict Dr. Gerhardt Konig on the higher charge of second-degree attempted murder.
> In his closing argument, prosecutor Joel Garner said Gerhardt Konig was "obsessed" with his wife's emotional affair with a co-worker when he tried to shove her from a cliff on the Pali Puka Trail, northeast of Honolulu.
> When that failed, Garner said, he tried to stab her with a syringe and bashed her head with a rock. The alleged attack ended when two hikers came upon the scene, he said.
> “The only thing that got him to stop was being caught red-handed,” Garner said.
I’m glad he was convicted, but he deserved the higher charge.
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Anon_bunn2 days ago
+614
Do we know why it wasn’t the higher charge? The case is so cut and dry, witnesses and everything!
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KimJongFunk2 days ago
+408
It’s not specified in the article. There may not have been enough evidence to convict him of the higher charge, but thankfully they got him on the attempted manslaughter.
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Primary-Bookkeeper102 days ago
+226
I can only think of heat of the moment. The key difference between second degree murder & voluntary manslaughter is intense provocation. You can avoid second degree murder charges if say you walked in on your spouse in the middle of the affair and lost control. Murder & attempted murder are supposed to suffer the same penalties, but often don’t. My guess is since this was attempted murder, his lawyer did a good job convincing the jury he was bereaved when he lashed out.
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onlyIcancallmethat2 days ago
+505
The syringe sure implied premeditation.
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alphawolf292 days ago
+94
thats my best hiking syringe!
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jackkerouac812 days ago
+20
Never know when a nasty blister will need to be drained, or when somebody might need some hiking propofol
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melalovelady2 days ago
+159
My thought exactly. He took it with him knowing what he was going to use it for.
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Primary-Bookkeeper102 days ago
+70
Yeah it's super weird a jury would brush that off, but him being a doctor, his lawyer probably didn't have to put too much work into it.
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PM_ME_CHIPOTLE22 days ago
+48
As my criminal procedure professor always said, “just get 12 people in a box.” He insisted that the worst thing for prosecutors to do was allow a trial, because all you have to do is convince one person who couldn’t get out of jury duty that there is reasonable doubt. And reasonable doubt is an insanely low bar to clear.
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allthatryry2 days ago
+75
I work with anesthesiologists, we were talking about this case and one of the docs said “he must not be a very good anesthesiologist.” He should have been able to quickly incapacitate her. It’s possible, I suppose, that he didn’t actually have a syringe. But he likely did. Creepy b******.
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Coriolanuscangetit2 days ago
+124
He had definitely stolen the drugs from his work, bc they found syringes and a vial of propofol at their home. That alone should have been enough to get the attempted murder charge, bc he premeditated it.
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ZigZagMarquis2 days ago
+44
They didn't just find the propofol. They found an empty vial of rocuronium, which is a paralytic. You can see it in the pictures of the baggies he had.
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Henipah1 day ago
+8
Rocuronium would be a very effective murder weapon.
Edit: though it would be really obvious especially if the prime suspect was an anaesthetist.
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+24
The problem with that argument is propofol to be effective in incapacitating a person must be given through IV route (vein). Injecting someone in the muscle with a syringe isn’t going to work.
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Coriolanuscangetit2 days ago
+24
But to show that he had illicit drugs in his possession, and that he risked his career to get them? That has weight
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whteverusayShmegma2 days ago
+4
That’s not at all true. It’d just take a few minutes to work. Only difference between IV injections and muscle injections.
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allthatryry2 days ago
+2
I have syringes in my home. No Propofol tho…
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angmar28052 days ago
+3
Like Nurse Dana and the Versed
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Wake_and_Cake2 days ago
+55
It did, but they never found the syringe. I’m sure he had it, but got rid of it before being found. So I can see how the jury wouldn’t consider that as substantial as beyond a reasonable doubt.
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JadedJellyfish_2 days ago
+13
She claimed he tried to inject her with something from
her initial police statement and was consistent about it. He only came up with a self defense case later on. Prosecution couldn’t just ignore her testimony because they didn’t find the syringe, it left a hole for the defense to attack for sure.
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whteverusayShmegma2 days ago
+32
They also never found her phone. It’s so obvious he just threw it off the cliff.
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i-just-thought-i1 day ago
+2
They never found it but they did find syringes and a vial of propofol from his hospital at their home.
I *guess* at least he'll never work as a doctor again, but with or without a syringe on hand how can that really make the difference here...
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TheSheWhoSaidThats2 days ago
+16
My guess is they didn’t recover the syringe from the scene. That surely would have sealed the deal. Since there was a cliff i’m willing to bet it wasn’t found.
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xlxcx2 days ago
+11
So did his internet search history
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throwaguey_2 days ago
+10
I believe that the syringe was hidden by him and the only reason we know about it is because his wife testified about it. He ran from the scene and hid a bunch of evidence (as well as absconded from police for about 8 hours) so then a lot of it became her word against his.
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ryanb4502 days ago
+6
Exactly. It’s malice aforethought. Attempted manslaughter doesn’t make sense
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Aggressive_Sky84922 days ago
+5
It seems like the syringe has not been confirmed by anyone other than the wife. (Not saying that means it doesn’t exist, just that it wasn’t corroborated). I haven’t seen any quotes from the other witnesses about seeing a syringe and I don’t think it was ever found
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lemonlime452 days ago
+2
Yes, but as I said in another comment- they only have her word there was a syringe. It wasn't found nor was it seen by the nurses who witnessed the attack. He had eight hours to get rid ot that syringe, if he did have one.
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cire11842 days ago
+4
Who tf walks around with a syringe?
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jackkerouac812 days ago
+2
I have had a syringe in my possession way more times than I have tried to kill someone with a rock… or tried to kill someone in any way really.
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fellatio-del-toro2 days ago
+38
He certainly wouldn’t have been convicted of manslaughter if successful…
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Politicsboringagain1 day ago
+10
Attempt manslaughter see way less of a charge that what is actually mentioned in the actually.
Manslaughter is usually for unintentional killing.
He tried to kill her two times and it's brutal to try and kill someone with a stone.
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crowislanddive1 day ago
+11
A juror said they couldn’t find premeditation… there was so much! He literally googled dangerous hikes and took syringes and propofol. It was so premeditated.
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CatsKittyCat1 day ago
+4
I was listening to one of the jury members speak and it was infuriating. She was so hung up on the wife having an affair and calling it a couples hike. It genuinely felt like she thought the wife deserved what happened. Called it a "scuffle."
I dont think she cared about any evidence after the word affair came out.
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crowislanddive1 day ago
+4
I completely agree. She was infuriating.
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SolarBum2 days ago
+20
I watched the trial, there was beyond enough evidence, what a stupid f****** jury and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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AlphaXZero2 days ago
+4
What’s the saying? A jury is just a group of idiots who couldn’t get out of jury duty or something like that?
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+3
Have you met a lot of the population? Lol
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zecknaal2 days ago
+80
I am not a lawyer, but my understanding from listening to lawyers talk is that juries will often find their way to a lesser charge when they have some shred of doubt about guilt. The jury is largely making an emotional decision about what they feel is right, despite the fact that we would like to think they are going through a deeply analytical process and rigorously applying the law.
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hera-fawcett2 days ago
+10
at what point do u have reasonable doubt on how and why a man tried to push his wife off a cliff, stab her w a syringe, and then bash her head in w a rock?
whoops, sorry babe-- i totally wasnt ruminating about u cheating on me!
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Quacky3three2 days ago
+22
I 100% believe he did it but they never located the syringe he attacked her with, they don’t even know what would’ve been inside of it. And his defense argued that she attacked him, and he hit her in self defense, not that he didn’t do anything. It is purely up to the victim’s testimony versus his, which would make a more concrete charge harder to justify.
That being said, he’s a freak and he ADMITTED what he did to his son. The clip of that poor boy needing to testify against his father broke my heart. My heart breaks the victim too. It’s so lucky the women who intervened were close enough to hear Arielle screaming.
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bbmarvelluv2 days ago
+3
This reminds me of this LAFD guy out in California who claims he killed his wife because she was allegedly having an affair. His lawyer has that out there quick and the comments were against her.
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jackkerouac812 days ago
+3
“Emotionally” which I get is infuriating, but f****** get some therapy…
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aaronhayes262 days ago
+33
It’s very very hard to prove true intent vs reckless intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
His actions may not be in dispute but his motivations are what matters here.
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whteverusayShmegma2 days ago
+15
I watched the entire trial. His own son testified that he called him and said his wife was having an affair and he was going to kill himself because he tried to kill his wife because she got away.
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Anon_bunn2 days ago
+10
I’ve been a juror on a murder trial. It was a case where we wished we could give less than murder given the unique circumstances, but following the letter of the law meant finding for murder.
(It was Borderline self defense, but for self defense the defendant can’t be the instigator. He instigated it.)
Based on everything I learned in that trial, I can’t help but feel the prosecutors were overly cautious/pessimistic. This is a much more straightforward murder conviction than the one I served on. Maybe a state law difference though.
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UnderstandingClean332 days ago
+13
I think because she had an emotional affair she's not a "good enough" victim to push for the murder charge. Murder has to be premeditated and since there was not enough evidence of him preparing that was provable and he can claim they started fighting on the trail they went for the safer bet of manslaughter.
Also by good enough I don't mean that she deserved it, just that she had an uphill battle against people that would see her as immoral and see his reaction as understandable if not legal.
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whteverusayShmegma2 days ago
+26
He told his son he tried to kill her but she got away. So black and white.
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Puzzleheaded_Film8242 days ago
+18
Assuming it’s manslaughter not attempted murder bc they could have had doubt about the syringe. Manslaughter is more of - in the heat of the moment type charge vs something planned. I think that’s how I understand it.
I think he was guilty of it all personally. And I’m worried what he’ll do when he gets out. Sentence is up to 20years.
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GoddessofALL6662 days ago
+12
In the heat of the moment is second degree homicide. Manslaughter is supposed to be for negligence but this is the second time I’ve seen a husband murder/try to murder his wife and get convicted of a manslaughter charge. He’s clearly guilty of attempted first degree murder
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JustinTheBlueEchidna2 days ago
+17
As someone who works closely with the law, unless someone following a trial actually watches the entire dang thing (or specifically all the portions of the trial the jury is there for), there's often a ton of stuff presented to the jurors that most media reporting either gets completely wrong or leaves out altogether.
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Anon_bunn2 days ago
+3
This is helpful. Thanks!
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ScholarOfTwilight1 day ago
+6
They claimed he was emotionally disturbed after she cheated on him with a coworker.
I've been cheated on multiple times. It hurts. I kicked them to the curb and moved on. It is bonkers that we allow people defenses for things we all live with every day without committing violence toward one another.
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TheSilverNoble1 day ago
+3
Not a lawyer, so I'm spit balling here. But the syringe he tried to stab her with was never found. Without that syringe, it's harder to prove he planned to kill her beforehand. What he is saying instead is that he was incredibly upset over her emotional affair and, while hiking, was overcome with emotion and tried to kill her on the spur of the moment. "Crimes of passion" are often given a lighter sentence.
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jimbo8311 day ago
+3
I don’t have any insight on this specific case, but keep in mind the jury didn’t necessarily see all the evidence you’ve seen. Some of it may have been ruled inadmissible for some reason or otherwise not ended up in the courtroom.
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Snidrogen2 days ago
+14
Likely due to the difficulty proving pre-meditation over a sudden, random fit of passion. Given the burden of proof, the prosecutor decided to go with the lesser attempted manslaughter charge to make sure it stuck.
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one_is_enough2 days ago
+44
Dude brought a syringe on a hike.
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StokeJar2 days ago
+37
He was also googling for most dangerous hikes ahead of time.
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SolarBum2 days ago
+17
And literally told his kid that he tried to kill her. her.
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throwaguey_2 days ago
+9
They never found the syringe. He got rid of it before he was caught
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3rd-party-intervener2 days ago
+7
I thought No syringe was found on site ?
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Anon_bunn2 days ago
+2
This is my sticking point also.
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SolarBum2 days ago
+19
No, the prosecutor went after attempted murder. The jury did not find him guilty of attempted murder, because they're dumb.
I watched the trial, it was far, far beyond reasonable doubt that this dude who researched hikes with dangerous cliffs in advance, tried to push his wife off said cliff, brought a syringe to render her unconscious, and who bashed her repeatedly in the head with a rock and literally admitted to his son that he tried to kill her ... tried to kill her.
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LaterCaterpillar11112 days ago
+11
He also planned a hike to a spot where it would be easy to say she fell . Then when she wouldn’t go along with his plan up the ridge he decided to kill her another way . I think this jury got it wrong . The courts need to understand coercive control better . He sucks and this isn’t justice . If he was having a hard time get counselling , a divorce , anything but attempted murder and ruin your kids lives . This verdict is so disappointing and if they came to this conclusion because she has an “affair “ they should all be ashamed of themselves
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zarinangelis2 days ago
+2
The lost syringe...
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AsthmaticSt0n3r2 days ago
+42
He called his son and straight up told him he tried to kill her
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CalmBeneathCastles2 days ago
+34
Emil was a gangster for telling the truth in such a calm and collected manner. I can't believe his dad us such a waste of breath and skin. I hope he finds a way to put this all behind him.
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buntopolis2 days ago
+31
Yes I don’t know how you hear those facts and then not convict the man of attempted second degree murder. Because that’s what it was.
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+2
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groggyhouse2 days ago
+17
>Also, she hit him with a rock first.
Did they prove that?
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2dTom1 day ago
+1
> In his closing argument, **prosecutor** Joel Garner said
Prosecutor argues for the prosecution, more at 11.
Seriously though, the closing argument by the prosecution in a trial isnt exactly going to be painting the full picture of the evidence in a neutral light. It's going to be arguing for the outcome that the prosecution is pushing for, and ignoring exculpatory evidence.
**Nb**, I'm not saying that the guy is guilty or not guilty, but making a decision based just on what the prosecution has to say isn't exactly giving the guy a fair shake.
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impolitemrtaz2 days ago
+308
It’s always a hike, cruise. Like lord just get a divorce and move on buddy.
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Saneless1 day ago
+138
"But she'll get some of my money!!"
What a loser
And it shows how much you hate your kids too. Any parent who would make their child sad on purpose is a monster
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monongahellyea1 day ago
+31
I truly will never understand how taking someone else’s life and having to go to jail is considered a better option than this. wtf.
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Vegetable_Window74171 day ago
+8
To be fair, they don’t plan on being caught.
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andy47751 day ago
+2
Reminds me of the, " I just came to get something to eat!!" Guy from dateline NBC
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Politicsboringagain1 day ago
+37
So many men feel like "If I can't have her and have her completely, I have to end her".
And it's a tale as old as time.
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maxburke2 days ago
+306
Hope he gets every day of that 20-year sentence, because it isn't nearly enough. Miracle this woman is still alive.
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fuck-nazi2 days ago
+154
Just get a divorce ffs
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alliandoalice2 days ago
+162
Before he tried to kill her he brought up financial docs on his computer on how much his last divorce cost him then he looked up difficult hikes and bumped up her life insurance
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pasaniusventris2 days ago
+21
He bumped his own, didn’t he?
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alliandoalice2 days ago
+37
He told his son he was going to kill himself and to take care of the kids
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pasaniusventris2 days ago
+11
Yeah, I heard that testimony.
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alliandoalice2 days ago
+15
Was probs trying for a murder suicide but then when it failed his son talked him out of killing himself so thats why he said my son saved my life that day
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avds_wisp_tech1 day ago
+6
I guess he was too dumb to realize the insurance wouldn't have paid out for a suicide...
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Weak_Albatross_68791 day ago
+8
I read somewhere this is the reason why men kill their wives as opposed to leaving. Money really is the root of all evil.
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ubbidubbidoo2 days ago
+24
Is this true?
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alliandoalice2 days ago
+65
Yeah i watched the trial on youtube it shows the files he opened about his last divorce which the defense tried to say was a computer glitch
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TiredWiredAndHired2 days ago
+37
Yes, I've watched a lot of footage from this case and it's very obvious he had planned to kill her, I'm baffled by this verdict.
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irwinlegends2 days ago
+400
How are they defining "attempted manslaughter?" If you're trying to kill someone, it's murder. I thought manslaughter implies a lack of intent.
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Fuzzy-Curve36342 days ago
+106
Apparently Hawaii allows a reduced charge based on emotional distress or provocation. It seems some jurors think this man obsessing over an emotional affair equals provocation.
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GoddessofALL6662 days ago
+15
Then what is second degree murder? I hate these light manslaughter charges on first degree premeditated murder cases.
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+15
I’m sure there were some scorned people who have been on the receiving end of a cheating partner. They are asked if they can be and instructed to be impartial, but I think we know how that works with humans.
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SnooMemesjellies15221 day ago
+4
What is an "emotional affair," anyway? Whatever the jealous spouse says it is? To some, it would mean just having a friend of the opposite sex.
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mewcury331 day ago
+9
Exactly, the word “affair” here is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It’s obvious how obsessive and controlling this man was, I feel so sorry for her that he didn’t get harsher sentence. Totally fucked
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Delanium2 days ago
+152
I'm hoping that Hawaii has different definitions for these terms than the normal, because the guy brought a F****** SYRINGE. If that doesn't display intent, I don't know what does.
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bearpics162 days ago
+114
While almost certainly true, they never found the syringe so that may have factored in
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Delanium2 days ago
+23
Oh I actually didn't know that!
Even with that being the case, I don't see how it could be argued as anything less than second degree (attempted) murder
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bearpics162 days ago
+14
It’s unfortunate. It probably fell off the cliff, maybe drifted a little bit with wind. Could have ended up in a tree or under leaves. It’d be very hard to find
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+2
Oh I’m definitely not arguing that point at all. I think he spiraled because he felt like he wasn’t in control of her and his life plan for them. Not to mention he hated that people in their circle didn’t agree with him and he wasn’t controlling the narrative.
I’m just trying to correct the medical evidence because there is so much misinformation flying around. I guess my medical nerd brain can’t help but jump in on these things,
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Delanium1 day ago
+2
think you responded to the wrong person lol
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Lemoneecrush2 days ago
+15
but didn’t they find many medication vials in his backpack?? that alone would signal intent to me
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Coriolanuscangetit2 days ago
+23
They found syringes and stolen propofol at his house.
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+4
You have to inject into a vein for propofol to work. If there was a medical professional on the jury they’re going to call that out.
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bearpics162 days ago
+7
You can push it with any needle but it has to actually be intravenous. You can’t do that with someone fighting you
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EmbarrassedPut37062 days ago
+2
Exactly! Hence why this whole propofol argument is silly.
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1917he2 days ago
+29
If they found bullets they can't just say he had a gun. Think.
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TheSilverNoble1 day ago
+3
I suspect this is the key factor. Without the syringe, he probably said he was overcome with emotion or somesuch while they were hiking. Harder to say that if brought a murder weapon along.
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magnament2 days ago
+52
In Maui nobody means to do anything
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ElGuano2 days ago
+29
You know…island style.
Did you mean to kill this man?
*shrugs*
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breckendusk2 days ago
+11
N da kine
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Dinker542 days ago
+4
Nah, just the sheriff.
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AFewBerries2 days ago
+19
>Gerhardt Konig was convicted of attempted manslaughter based upon extreme mental or emotional disturbance. He claimed he acted in self-defense.
Maybe that's why (I think so at least)
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MissNicolioli1 day ago
+2
Law school would say you're absolutely right. I remember learning this specifically.
Sounds like Hawaii has some poorly defined terms in their homicide code.
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localcosmonaut2 days ago
+5
It’s defined by state statute. https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/title-37/chapter-707/section-707-702/
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Previous_Link13472 days ago
+6
Manslaughter implies white and wealthy.
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Baystars20252 days ago
+3
Mans laughter. Must have been quite a joke
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Ok-Highway-52472 days ago
+91
I’ve been watching the trial and it is easy to see why Arielle was no longer attracted to Gerhardt. Dude is a creep.
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Potate50002 days ago
+29
Alpine divorce... Maui divorce... Let's call it what it is.
Attempted murder.
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Floreat_democratia2 days ago
+50
I will never, ever understand stories like this. Get a divorce and move on with your life.
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alliandoalice2 days ago
+28
He realized divorce was too expensive from his ex wife
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dkviper111 day ago
+6
Some states require mandatory separation timelines before a divorce is finalized. I’ve lived in states that are 3 months or 1 year depending on if you have kids. It’s a running joke that my wife would kill me long before waiting a full year.
Joking aside, if you can go to the courthouse and get married quickly (in our case, you had to wait 48 hours in the state where we got married) you should be able to get divorced in that same time period.
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Weak_Albatross_68791 day ago
+7
I read the cost of alimony and child support is main reason men will kill their wives than divorcing them
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alliandoalice1 day ago
+7
She also had retirement fund money
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vinicnam12 days ago
+16
He’s not accused if he was found guilty. Should say “Maui doctor found guilty of attempted manslaughter for trying to kill wife on hike”
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Jagermeister42 days ago
+41
Witnesses say he was trying to kill her.
His own son testified that he called him to say he tried to kill his wife.
He admitted to using the word kill in the call with son.
Should be attempted 2nd degree murder. This is one dumb jury. Shoot I would call it 1st degree before I call it manslaughter
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CatsKittyCat1 day ago
+8
I was listening to one of the jurors give an interview and she really downplayed what happened. It felt very victim blaming.
"Oh it was just a scuffle. He was emotional after she cheated. How could she do that to her son?"
I dont think she actually gave a hoot about evidence after defense brought an affair into the case.
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Capital_Ice_15122 days ago
+11
That should be a second degree attempted murder
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GoddessofALL6662 days ago
+8
His search history and the syringe heavily show 1st degree.
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Ajhale2 days ago
+3
what syringe there was no syringe found
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hyperfocus15691 day ago
+3
Her purse and phone weren’t found either, but they know she had those with her and he had been holding them for her.
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Temnodontosaurus2 days ago
+19
What the f*** is "attempted manslaughter"?
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Driftwitchh2 days ago
+14
Due to “extreme emotional disturbance”…. So in Hawaii they accept suspecting your wife of cheating as an excuse for trying to kill her
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mushious2 days ago
+4
Legal fuckery, they probably have some incredibly precise terms that define murder (which is what this totally is anywhere else).
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notjeff002 days ago
+14
If he is found guilty, he’s no longer accused btw
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BlueSoccerSB87062 days ago
+6
This dude could actually just get probation from this conviction, that's wild
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333cheeseboy1 day ago
+4
The fact that he brought a syringe and medical grade sedatives to a romantic hike :))
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styx12671 day ago
+5
Can’t believe he got out of the attempted murder charge
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CruisinThruLife21 day ago
+5
They rewarded his fake tears. He is so guilty of attempted murder.
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funtimes-forall1 day ago
+3
Why manslaughter? It sounds premeditated.
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Aware_Cheesecake_5192 days ago
+58
He should have been charged with attempted murder, not manslaughter.
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cas-fortuit2 days ago
+88
He was charged with attempted murder. The jury declined to convict him of it.
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Masterweedo2 days ago
+40
He was.
It's in the article.
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1917he2 days ago
+26
More people need to be shamed for not reading before posting
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Tibreaven2 days ago
+17
Silly, no one actually reads those things. Literacy is a ruse by Big Book.
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tituspeetus2 days ago
+5
Isn’t manslaughter unintentional… so how can you intend to commit manslaughter??
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mediapunk1 day ago
+3
How is attempted manslaughter a thing? Planning to accidentally kill someone?
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Dear-Cranberry47871 day ago
+3
May his life expire a week before his sentence ends.
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TALKTOME07011 day ago
+3
Same week a guy "loses" his wife on board a boat while on vacation. what is going on?
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irreleventnothing2 days ago
+27
Hate to see him get guilty of a lesser charge, especially with such a rude and disrespectful attorney representing him.
At the end of the day I think the fact that she wasn’t gravely injured and even had to wait in triage at the hospital may have swayed some opinions with the jury.
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AssistantEquivalent22 days ago
+21
I’m sorry, but the demeanor of your attorney should not have any bearing on your guilt or innocence, or which charge you are convicted of. That’s a weird thing to say
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irreleventnothing2 days ago
+8
Nobody is saying it should lol. Just that this verdict sucks especially so because of how big of a d*** his attorney is, among other reasons.
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AssistantEquivalent22 days ago
+4
You literally just said that. “…especially with such a rude and disrespectful attorney representing him.”
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1917he2 days ago
+11
You are the one saying exactly that.
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KellyJin172 days ago
+26
“Attempted Manslaughter” is an oxymoron. Manslaughter is the term for when you are not trying to or do not intend to kill someone but you’re still responsible for their death because it resulted from your actions. If you attempted to do it, then it’s murder not manslaughter.
There was so much evidence in this case, including witnesses, that this guy must have had a really great lawyer not to be convicted of attempted murder. That and a stupid jury.
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twinkiesmom11 day ago
+5
There were two nurses who witnessed the attack and testified creditably. The son’s testimony was damning for intent. All the blood was hers that was shed that day, yet he testified she hit him first. The hike was researched in advance. She refused to continue hiking to the most dangerous portion. That’s what set him off. The defense attorney was an ass clown who kept harping on the alleged infidelity, which just was excessive text messages. I think the prosecutor didn’t make enough hay out of the doctor’s insanely controlling obsessed stalker personality. The wife needed a friend….that would have been my theory on the text messages. I think they had a holdout on the jury, and the manslaughter was a compromise.
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ryeguymft2 days ago
+4
these jurors must have been idiots
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Full-Criticism57252 days ago
+3
Attempted manslaughter … do they give Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry? I think not !
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USDXBS2 days ago
+4
What a shock. A court completely fails to hold a violent criminal accountable.
I predict he gets six years.
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Fettnaepfchen1 day ago
+2
My partner is an anaesthesiologist, too. The way he went about murdering her shows that he is an idiot and I am really happy for her that he is. She was really lucky and I'm glad that the son testified against the lunatic of a father.
I hope he gets all the jail time he deserves and loses/never regains his license.
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