Germany did make a lot of refugees from former Yugoslavia return once the war ended (though some of them still stayed). There’s historical precedent.
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alex-cuMar 31, 2026
+51
> Germany did make
That not what factually happened. Ex-Yugoslavia citizens voluntarily returned back.
That's a very important difference.
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Artistic_Insurance12Mar 31, 2026
+83
2026 is not part of that historical precedent. Good luck to them.
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sweetnoMar 31, 2026
+20
They might have nothing to return to. Yugoslavia wasn't so thoroughly bombed as Syria.
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superurgentcatboxMar 31, 2026
+26
Merz’ argument is that they can rebuild their country now. Probably a similar argument would be used to make them leave.
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eXrevolutionMar 31, 2026
+42
Maybe then they should start integrating and learning the language instead of profiting from the social help?
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xX609s-hartXxMar 31, 2026
+8
Those are usually the first to get deported for some reason.
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[deleted]Mar 31, 2026
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Lootzifer93Mar 31, 2026
+11
There you go:
In August 2024, approximately 518,000 Syrian nationals were receiving basic income support (Bürgergeld) in Germany, including about 353,000 of working age and approximately 165,000 children. This corresponds to a benefit receipt rate of around 54.9% within the Syrian population in Germany.
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Patient-Ordinary-359Mar 31, 2026
+5
Also odd because it seems to suggest that there comes a date where all help turns off and people are fully integrated. People aren't robots. It's ok to have a process that doesn't stop on Sunday to be replaced by another one on Monday.
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Nek0maniacMar 31, 2026
-17
Are you even aware that a noticeable portion of our workforce in Germany is Syrians? Especially the medicinical and care sector would be fucked as hell if they all went back. A lot of them are integrated and are working full time jobs that us Germans don't want to do
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Far_Gift6173Mar 31, 2026
+35
No, that's a lie
Except for turkish people, the middle east is woefully underrepresented in the medical workforce.
[https://mediendienst-integration.de/news/mehr-als-300000-auslaendische-pflegekraefte/](https://mediendienst-integration.de/news/mehr-als-300000-auslaendische-pflegekraefte/)
[https://www.svr-migration.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SVR\_Factsheet\_Jahresgutachten\_2022.pdf](https://www.svr-migration.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SVR_Factsheet_Jahresgutachten_2022.pdf)
they are in the single digit range. This is quite a few, but the truth is, those groups are a burden to the healthcare system. we can do without them. Germany has one of the highest amount of medical personal per capita in europe
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WillDigForFoodMar 31, 2026
-3
I mean, the articles you linked kind of state the opposite of your stance.
They talk outright about having major shortages in German healthcare fields at all levels, from entry-level support staff to doctors, even with refugees over-represented in the field; and how refugees and foreign nationals form a serious component (from a tenth to a fifth depending on which part of the healthcare field is being discussed) of those workfields - with Syrians being outright stated as being the largest foreign national group in most of them.
Even if this only comes out to Syrians being \~5-8% of the total workforce - well. Speaking as someone who has done this sort of work before (adult care, at the entry/daily support level) if you don't think that losing 5-8% of an already understaffed workforce isn't going to be a big deal, you clearly do not know what you're talking about.
It's a rough, difficult, frustrating job even when you're fully staffed. When you aren't fully staffed, it's a rough, difficult frustrating job that you not infrequently have to pull double shifts on and end up getting burned out on - once a hiring crisis starts in these fields, it takes years and years and years to resolve because of that: because no one wants to stick around to deal with that shit (and I can't blame them at all!)
And the result is lower quality care for the people in your society least capable of fully caring for themselves, for years to come (at a time when a lot of them don't have years left to wait for improvement.) That's really what you're calling for when you blithely call these groups 'a burden'.
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Far_Gift6173Mar 31, 2026
+5
Ahh, first you try to deny this with anecdotal evidence and then you admit single digit number might be accurate.
here is another report, confirming the single digit number
[https://www.svr-migration.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SVR\_Factsheet\_Jahresgutachten\_2022.pdf](https://www.svr-migration.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SVR_Factsheet_Jahresgutachten_2022.pdf)
The thing is, that syrians overall are a burden to social security in many ways. Not only are many of them not working, but they are also working low education jobs and even engage in illlicit beaviour, further increasing the cost needed to accomondate them.
Germany might need immigration, but we can get that easily from EU and through legal work immigration. We really don't need syrians
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Wegwerf157534Mar 31, 2026
+5
They can always stay under skilled worker immigration laws (Fachkräfteeinwanderung) what is used very little now, because there simply no need as very little selection of who immigrates takes place.
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Consul_V4Mar 31, 2026
+10
Then at least send those people back, who contribute nothing to society than militant protests for sharia law and showing love for the terrorist who is leading Syria and killing christians there.
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Nek0maniacMar 31, 2026
+6
With that I agree wholeheartedly, but both you and I know that this is not what's gonna happen. The people who have been deported over the last few years were mostly law abiding citizens, because those could be localised. The troublemakers cannot be traced that easily, so they are not being deported.
Same shit as with ICE. They deport mostly regular people that even the IRS won't touch, since they know that there is a benefit for the US if they stay in the country. The true criminals can barely be located and thus remain unscathed
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SunflowerMoonwalkMar 31, 2026
+4
Where did you get the idea that Syrian refugees are protesting en masse for sharia law and support the new Syrian president? A large proportion of Syrian refugees are in fact Kurds or Christians or from secular middle-class backgrounds.
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Lootzifer93Mar 31, 2026
No need to protest for one if you just start to establish your own rules and laws and don't involve German police.
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sweetnoMar 31, 2026
-9
Maybe Germany would stop merkeln and sort their completely non-immigration-related problems out without blaming others? How many years their GDP hasn't grown? Pathetic. They have _much_ bigger problems than immigration yet their politicians still live in 2016 and keep beating this dead horse. Just wait until the new Iranian wave of refugees arrives.
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Fluid_Lingonberry467Mar 31, 2026
+1
Depends on the area some were only shell of buildings
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Distinct_Cup_1598Mar 31, 2026
+15
But Most precedents Show that Immigrants of the First waves tend to stay. Like the „Gastarbeiter“ (Guest workers) during the cold war. The Bast Majority of them, from many nations Like Turkey and Italy, stayed here and got Families who all live here to this day (including myself)
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Timey16Mar 31, 2026
+20
Immigrants are not asylum seekers. Asylum, by it's very definition, is a temporary stay.
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BeeBoopFisterMar 31, 2026
+4
Refugess are not immigrants and the majority of guest workers also returned home.
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jphamloreMar 31, 2026
+1
And what would be the objection to the Italians staying?
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BabayagalettiMar 31, 2026
+13
Historic context. Back in the 60s Italians were seen as poor people with little to offer. And no, that sentiment was not exclusive to Germany. Italians also experienced discrimination in the US.
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SweetAlyssummMar 31, 2026
They experienced discrimination in the US as soon as they started coming over from Italy in the early 20th century.
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krenotenMar 31, 2026
+33
They destroy German stomachs with too much flavor and spice in their restaurants that we randomly find ourselves in. We are defenseless. È diabolico...
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Distinct_Cup_1598Mar 31, 2026
+8
Who said something about objections?
All i said is that statistically Most people migrating to other places usually stay there. The third Generation is usually The One that Orients itself more towards the home country of their grandparents.
I‘m a Third Generation italian immigrant myself, Born and raised here After my grandma settled here in the 60s
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amazinjoeyMar 31, 2026
Also most migrants integrate themself to society, wanting them to leave is shooting yourself in the foot. Especially as those are part of the economy and man power for the labor market, which Germany is lacking and will lack in the future...
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgfMar 31, 2026
+5
you hit a nail, but is not lacking man power. Labor has a price centered around potential workforce competing for limited amount of positions for a certain payment, thats not bad, thats normal. Add migration for whatever altruistic reason you want, you suddenly gain a key to influence the price of work, it is fine unless side effects create headache around the natural social foundation.
The 'lack' of workforce or missing expertise argument is hammered into you to go along and accept artificial pressure in competition for the same jobs and market.
There is literally no society on the planet that ever failed because of people lacking to do less complex jobs for fair payment. Neither is expertise in one of the most sophisticated education systems on the planet a problem. Price matters, even for the underlaying social contract that naturally gets challenged.
integration in that context solely means new participants can sustain their permanent participation into the same assumed social foundation. Turns out diasporas tend to have difficulties therefor help their own, very fine, but not necessarily automatic results in supporting the same foundation you assumed to be valid for all - from there you face 'parallel' proposals that challenge your assumptions. It can be fruitful yet it must cause friction, which you did not expect.
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michiko-malandroMar 31, 2026
+1
you're comparing refugees to guest workers, not the same thing
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ExternalStandard4362Mar 31, 2026
They did not stay illegaly though and would have returned if not for their employers who wanted to keep the skilled and c**** labour which they needed.
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ZuAusHierDaMar 31, 2026
+2
We have different laws now in Germany. There is no legal way for you to *force* 80% of them to move to Syria.
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Pi-rattenMar 31, 2026
+1
Yes, and it would be economic and humanitarian madness.
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Zydian488Mar 31, 2026
+12
Why not? Region has really stabilized lately.
Edit: Didn't think I'd need the /s...
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eipotttatschMar 31, 2026
+19
By that time more than the 20% will have German citizenship even. They won’t go back - at least not for good.
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fred11551Mar 31, 2026
-4
Why would German citizens leave Germany?
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eipotttatschMar 31, 2026
-2
That’s exactly my point. You can’t expect 80% of Syrian refugees to go back when more than 20% have built a real life in germany and even gotten citizenship.
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to_glory_we_steerMar 31, 2026
+15
Sadly not so much, now Islamist rebels from one of the more extreme factions run the country. They are actively fighting against the Druze and Kurds as well as hunting for regime connected individuals. For example I had a friend who was in Syrian military intelligence because this was mandatory as part of a university education. He was moderately pro-regime, his wife was moderately pro-rebel, the regime tortured him daily for 3 months on his return and a rebel-associated gang killed his wife's entire family after taking them hostage because the guy was getting tortured and couldn't make it to pay the ransom... He only spoke with me about this because his psychiatrist told me it was necessary for him to heal. That's what you're asking people to return to. These things take decades or longer to resolve.
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Zydian488Mar 31, 2026
+3
Im asking noone to do anythjng, i sarcastically joked about the middle east being stable....idk how anyone in 2026 thinks that's a serious statement.
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Distinct_Cup_1598Mar 31, 2026
+26
Stabilized does Not mean stable. There is still fighting in Syria, the looming Iran War, The ongoing Israeli Invasion of Lebanon Next door and Most Importantly a weakened economy.
Most will still have a safer and more beneficial life in Germany, which is probably why the majority will Most likely stay
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ihifidt250Mar 31, 2026
+5
Stabilized as an Islamic state.
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Fern-andoMar 31, 2026
+7
You say that like if those syrian refugees aren't muslim.
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Comfortable_Pea_1693Mar 31, 2026
+28
Which is the preferred option of most people there
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Terrible_Duty_7643Mar 31, 2026
+5
So by that logic all people from Islamic states should be allowed to come to the EU?
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ihifidt250Mar 31, 2026
-3
No, people shouldn't be deported to ISIS v2
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Terrible_Duty_7643Mar 31, 2026
+5
Does that include Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Islamic world?
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DefinitelyhereforshiMar 31, 2026
-1
Killing thousands of minorities = stabilized, to the liberal mind
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DrZalostMar 31, 2026
-6
Because there's nothing to return to, the cities have been reduced to dust. Surely you can't tell me that everything has been magically rebuilt.
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DiarmundyMar 31, 2026
+11
Most of these migrants are the sort of hard working people who would help to rebuild. Many are in factories or construction
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Comrade_DerpskyMar 31, 2026
-1
It has not. It has not. Syria is still one incident away from blowing up into another civil war. The Syrian economy is also completely destroyed. If you're a refugee and you return, you're not gonna be able to find a job and you might not even have a home to go back to because you're family's house was destroyed in the war.
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GloorplzMar 31, 2026
+175
Immigration are going to have a fun time locating and removing the ones who don't want to go.
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bbbberlinMar 31, 2026
+69
Germany isn't like some other countries though, where you could live reasonably without documents.
Without documents you can't be employed, open bank accounts or obtain services like sign a cellphone contract, rent or register an address, access healthcare, etc. In Germany you really do need your ID for many things.
Yes, there are people who work and get paid in cash... and probably you can sublet an apartment from someone without paperwork checks, but like this is very peripheral and poor living like a fugitive, it's not going to be sustainable long-term or for anyone with a family. Some people will do it for sure, but it's not going to be broadly possible for most people.
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NoratekApr 1, 2026
+1
It is sustainable. People have been doing it for tens of years. It sucks but it’s better than Syria or some countries they came from.
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IsaruazarMar 31, 2026
+126
Stop benefits payments they go automatically
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ZuAusHierDaMar 31, 2026
+30
Unemployed Syrians without children are probably the only ones you could force to move to Syria. But that doesn’t add up to 80%.
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SchneestecherMar 31, 2026
+24
it‘s closer to 55% which is a start
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ZuAusHierDaMar 31, 2026
+2
As far as I know that number include children?
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Prestigious_Health_2Mar 31, 2026
+1
[ Removed by Listnook ]
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fishblurbMar 31, 2026
+1
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Willstdusheide23Mar 31, 2026
+1
Genau
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fishblurbMar 31, 2026
-5
I can't believe someone reported me for hate speech lol (and dumbass listnook agreeing to warn me), all I said is people who have no cash still need money to survive in the meantime, and stealing is one of the survival method. THATS THE SAME REASON WE DONT JAIL BROKE SINGLE MOTHERS FOR STEALING MILK POWDER!!! THATS THE REASON WE OFFER UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS!!! SO THAT PEOPLE DONT HAVE TO RESORT TO THAT!!! IT'S THE F****** REALITY AND WE SEE THAT IN WAR-TORN ECONOMIES ALL THE TIME!!! Send them home immediately where they can work legally if you're going to deny them benefits and working rights, instead of cutting benefits but keeping them in the country in the limbo where they have no money but can't work. It's cruel and not woke to keep refugees broke in the country for your stupid moral posturing.
f****** illiterate centrists trying to go so woke they end up friendly-firing others who are more left-wing than them. Because they're so illiterate they can't understand context and nuance. With idiots like this everywhere, Trump is gonna be president until 2040
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rivyMar 31, 2026
-6
This would result in desperate crime waves even if the benefits were off-ramped over time. Not saying it may not be worth it, but it is not without consequence.
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SchneestecherMar 31, 2026
+6
Too bad.
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NoobodiiyMar 31, 2026
-1
They will all be Lesbians and Gays who have found Jesus
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krneki534Mar 31, 2026
Don't worry, Merkel will be on the case
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FriedrichAeprilMar 31, 2026
-10
They only remove valuable members of society
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MopstilltheendMar 31, 2026
+24
This. Germany in the last 10 years was and is very talented at removing immigrants that follow the rules and bring prosperity and value to the German society while turning a completely blind eye to those immigrants that commit crimes and/or exploit the German welfare system while contributing nothing.
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DrumbelgalfApr 1, 2026
+2
Not sure why you get down votes. That's sadly how Germany has doe it in the past. They first get those who they can easily get. People with a registered Adress and a job. Easy to find and the ones that actually integrate with society.
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WurschdMar 31, 2026
+51
That three years suspiciously coincides with the next federal elections :)
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Sad_Prawn2864Mar 31, 2026
+23
I doubt that.
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Beneficial_North1824Mar 31, 2026
+60
With all that experience in Germany they can build a very good country of their own. At least this is what I expect of millions of returning home Ukrainans
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Ukie_UkeMar 31, 2026
+8
Just of Ukrainians?
Are you happy with Afghans, Somalis, Syrians etc.staying here?
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PositiveUseMar 31, 2026
+1
Germany will feel different when a million Ukrainians and half a million Syrians will go back home.
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ArrogantSenpaiMar 31, 2026
+1
Not in a good way tho
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LolaBarabaMar 31, 2026
+64
Angela Merkel is the second worst Chancellor in German history.
\- Destroying sovereign energy production by phasing out nuclear energy
\- Binding Germany (and EU) to Russian gas and oil
\- Increasing cooperation with Russia (Nord Stream 2) even after they showed their true face (2014 invasion of Ukraine)
\- Allowing millions of immigrants into Germany and EU, leading to widespread rise of the far-right all over Europe
\- Total enshittification of the German military
\- All of the above lead Russia to believe they have the upper hand in Ukraine, leading to the invasion in 2022, causing massive problems to Germany and Europe
\- One can easily argue the current crisis in the Middle East (starting with October 7th attack) is caused by the perceived weakness of the West after the start of the war in Ukraine.
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xKawoMar 31, 2026
+17
She as a physicist wanted to keep nuclear going. Just because she signed the deal doesn't make it her arrangement... She was gaining support but then Fukushima happened and public opinion did a 180.
Everything else can be at least traced back to her
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LolaBarabaMar 31, 2026
+28
Sometimes a leader has to fight against the public opinion when that opinion is wrong. That's what makes a true leader - doing what's right, not what is popular. Many COVID policies were unpopular but they had to be done anyway. And where was her respect of public opinion when she let in millions of immigrants that no one wanted into the country?
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fishblurbMar 31, 2026
+6
Exactly. For example, town planning and building trains for public transport are actually massively unpopular in the court of public opinion but we all know it's ultimately good (unless the trains are poorly planned). If you caved to popular opinion you're kinda screwing up the country
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TheWardenShadowsongMar 31, 2026
+1
Town planning and trains and public transport are only unpopular in places with bad public services.
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fishblurbApr 1, 2026
+1
nah, it's nimby. people want trains but not the bill and not the construction noise and not the land acquisitions.
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TheWardenShadowsongApr 1, 2026
+1
It’s NIMBY in places where transit is underfunded and therefore bad. Where transit is good (Europe, Singapore) or traffic is really terrible (big cities of Asia) people are generally in favour of expansions
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kacheowMar 31, 2026
+3
Fukushima was if anything, a testament to the safety of nuclear power
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Tybalt941Mar 31, 2026
+2
Add onto that the current state of DB. Meanwhile non-Germans and even many Germans think she was great because of "stability"
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RyakuyaMar 31, 2026
-8
Me when I speak without context.
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ginger_guyMar 31, 2026
+3
According to the UNHCR, some 6-7 million Syrians fled the country since the war started. So far, 3 million have returned. This month alone, 200k returned from Lebanon.
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kuldan5853Mar 31, 2026
+2
> This month alone, 200k returned from Lebanon.
You mean they are fleeing from the next war?
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ginger_guyMar 31, 2026
A little of both. The increase in conflict did, in fact, incentivize many to accelerate their return, but most were already planning to do so.
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sovietarmyfanMar 31, 2026
+13
(Morgan freeman gif saying Good Luck)
Yeah, that won't happen. Nobody wants to live under a defacto Islamic government headed by an Ex Al Qaida member in a suit. Even if they mustered up a budget to give to them to return they wouldn't take it.
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ZuAusHierDaMar 31, 2026
+26
> Nobody
That not 100% true. There were already 3,000 Syrians who moved back from Germany. Out of 900,000.
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inconspiciousdudeMar 31, 2026
+8
I'm imagining Al-Qaeda holding up "Welcome Home" banners.
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krneki534Mar 31, 2026
handing out holy helmets like it's a Hawaii airport
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44Stryker44Mar 31, 2026
+2
Doubt it
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Fratzengulasch83Mar 31, 2026
+10
Ah... Fotzenfritz is fishing on the right side of the pond again. Many of them who got a job by now should have a permanent residence permit anyway and just can't be sent back that easily. if even. Also, many of them in qualified jobs are depserately needed.
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Strigops-habroptilaMar 31, 2026
-21
He's basically proposing to let a huge chunk of the healthcare system collapse. There are a lot of doctors and nurses from Syria. We also desperately need more people in healthcare, throwing thousands out of the country will not solve anything, it will just make things worse.
Well, that's probably what he wants. We all know he doesn't care about healthcare
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Wegwerf157534Mar 31, 2026
+17
He is not. Skilled worker laws absolutely allow for those people to stay.
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SwopyxMar 31, 2026
+7
You throw out only the leeches that dont contribute. Everyone Who wants to work should be welcome.
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Tybalt941Mar 31, 2026
+1
Sorry but we need higher standards than that. Economic migrants that have incompatible values and zero desire or intention to integrate into German society need to leave even if they are economically productive.
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SwopyxMar 31, 2026
+2
Yes, for sure ! My comment would be just the start of a long post.
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reddittrooperMar 31, 2026
+7
Merz is fishing at the far right end of the voter’s pool with this.
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youderkBMar 31, 2026
+48
Because he doesn’t want to render the asylum law meaningless? If there are no longer grounds for asylum, people should return to their home country, provided they are of no benefit to Germany
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reddittrooperMar 31, 2026
-7
And why would Merz say this?
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kuldan5853Mar 31, 2026
+1
..Because it's the law? It's obvious.
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reddittrooperMar 31, 2026
-1
About 60% of the immigrants from Syria are working in Germany, how many of those are willing to return to Syria?
I have a Syrian neighbor who is an assistant doctor in a hospital here, with a highly profitable career here. He wont be willing to return to Syria in the foreseeable future, as long as he can have a productive and prosperous career here.
There are layers in the population, you need to build up a foundation before you can attract highly educated individuals to come back.
Saying „80% in 3 years!“ is far from the views and life plans of Syrians living in a fully developed society like in Germany which is not struck down by years of heavy civil wars.
This is the in my opinion unforgivable fault in Merz‘ speak.
If we force them back, Syria will not thrive but will be hindered by people who are desperate because they cannot work and earn money like they used to do in Germany. They know that, right here and now.
Only the most enthusiastic and willing people are ready to bring Syria back while living far below what they had in the last years, for which so many of them worked hard in Germany. Sending them back is stealing their life’s savings and earnings from them.
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stinky_cheddarMar 31, 2026
+12
You know this was requested by the Syrian president right?
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DrumbelgalfApr 1, 2026
+1
No it actually wasn't the Syrian president has said that he didn't request it.
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Nek0maniacMar 31, 2026
-16
And by that he achieves the absolute opposite, because why would someone anti-immigration vote for a "AfD"-lite, when they can have the real thing. All he achieves is by normalising nationalist and fascist speech. Almost as if both AfD and CxU have ties to the heritage foundation
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686f6c69Mar 31, 2026
+12
This is not an anti-immigration measure, this is showing an understanding of how the refugee status works and enforcing it.
Some people don't want refugees to permanently stay in Germany after the situation in their countries resolve, but they also don't want to vote for the AfD due to their views, so this helps Merz sway "in-betweeners" to his party
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lavender_fluffMar 31, 2026
+1
They are nothing more than authoritarian clowns, that's what it is. I have no idea why anyone is even still supporting them in this decade. Like you said the actual fascists will be happier voting AfD, anyone else should not be voting a fascist-lite party when there are maaaany other options that are far lesser evils. We don't have the two party situation of the USA and yet people vote CxU as if it was the only option on the letter
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youderkBMar 31, 2026
That are?
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lavender_fluffMar 31, 2026
+4
I don't understand who in this decade even still votes CDU/CSU. You gotta be out of your mind if you vote for these authoritarian clowns that lost all touch to reality.
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Comfortable_Pea_1693Mar 31, 2026
+7
Lets hope he puts this into practice, otherwise afd is gonna get 40%
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uMunthuMar 31, 2026
+12
It’s quite plausible Afd is gonna get 40% *even if* he puts this into practice.
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Nek0maniacMar 31, 2026
-6
The only way to stop the AfD from gaining is by pushing relevant reforms that improve the life of the average citizen in a way that makes them less inclined to search for scapegoats in foreigners. The main reason why the AfD gains voters is that people fear a loss of lifequality and lack of chances to improve their life. The AfD promises simple solutions, even though there are no such easy fixes. If the current government stopped doing politics that only benefit the rich and old, we would almost guaranteed see a decline in far right tendencies.
At the end of the day, if you are living fine and have a goal to work for, you don't care about how people around you are doing or at least not as much. If you however can never even imagine owning your own house or having financial stability, while the mega rich and old folks get subsidies all the time, you are obviously gonna look for a scapegoat, regardless if it's logical or not. We people just want someone to blame, doesn't matter if it's true... sadly.
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turquoise_amethystMar 31, 2026
-7
My dentist went from Lebanon to Syria to the US. I’m happy he’s here, he’s a damn good dentist.
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krenotenMar 31, 2026
-8
Immigration and immigrants are viewed very differently in Europe than the US. In the US, I had a naturalization ceremony at my school when I was 10 years old, and we all got to see a group of people become American, and generally viewed a lot of our immigrant neighbors as Americans from other places. It's in the cultural DNA of many parts of the country, even with the shit that Trump and ICE do, that's America's melting pot DNA. Fast forward 25 years and I'm a naturalized German citizen, and even very left leaning and progressive people will will feel uncomfortable when I tell them I'm German with a slight accent. I love making them squirm, but it makes me envious in some ways of the comparatively more accepting experience for integrated immigrants in the US.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
-29
In 2023 61% of all Syrian refugees in Germany worked. Out of all that are currently working 75% are working in an qualified job. It is expected that these numbers ramp up over the last years.
Merz is an moron and this decision is an huge catastrophe in the making.
All of that only to appease the radical lunatics and the culture warriors.
Source: https://iab.de/daten/syrische-arbeitskraefte-in-deutschland/
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BookmarksBrotherMar 31, 2026
+46
40% on benefits? Do you think a 4/6 ratio is enough to support the generous welfare bill?
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eipotttatschMar 31, 2026
+1
Not everyone that doesn’t work is on benefits.
It’s not perfect. But it’s not crazy far off the 77% of working age people in Germany that work.
There are 6% unemployed in that rest. But the others are people that aren’t available to the workforce for whatever reason. For example stay at home mothers.
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to_glory_we_steerMar 31, 2026
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Out of the 39% who aren't working you should include the elderly, children, mothers, and disabled. I knew a few of them and most have some degree of PTSD from their experiences, all of them wanted to return but were afraid of being tortured or killed. Many of them had already been tortured or lost everything including their families in the violence.
It's not as simple as a saying many are on benefits to exploit the system. It's because the percentage who are either aren't of working age, are incapable of work or are too old/young to work
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BookmarksBrotherMar 31, 2026
+15
>Out of the 39% who aren't working you should include the elderly, children, mothers, and disabled.
So include people that require specialised and expensive care/attention?
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to_glory_we_steerMar 31, 2026
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I see what you're trying to say here, but this is the normal outcome of both social demographics and a population who has experienced a prolonged civil war.
I don't think we should demonise people for suffering, enough of our own native population are suffering. We can argue about the causes for that but I see those at the top living comfy lives while workers and the working class are asked to sacrifice again and again. Meanwhile the tax dodging and wealth hoarding that's happening right now with companies and the wealthy is directly taking far more out of workers pockets than benefits. But benefits is of course an easier target.
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BookmarksBrotherMar 31, 2026
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Germany has some of the highest taxes on this planet. I am not sure they want to pay more to care for all the world's problems.
Actually lets let them vote on it and see what their chancellor thinks. He thinks they should all leave lol.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
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Those are to a big part women who stay at home, most of the times as moms.
Like I wrote the data is from 2023 and suggest that we’re not by an 4/6 ratio anymore. It should be better now.
4/6 of the 800.000 Syrians in Germany are still 530.000 workers btw.
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MerionMar 31, 2026
+8
I'm afraid those numbers are not correct. Those are the numbers from the Arbeitsagentur from January 2025: [Arbeitsagentur](https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/DE/Statischer-Content/Statistiken/Themen-im-Fokus/Migration/Generische-Publikationen/AMkompakt-Arbeitsmarktsituation-von-syrischen-Staatsangehoerigen.pdf?__blob=publicationFile)
Employmentrate is at 42 precent in September 2024.
There are 287,000 Syrian employees, of whom 236,000 in employment are subject to social security contributions.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
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That’s the same statistic.
One is counting everyone who’s Syrian the other one only counts those who’re only Syrian.
My statistic is from the 2023, since then many have simply acquired German citizenship.
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MerionMar 31, 2026
+6
You're misreading the IAB data. The 61% employment figure does not refer to all Syrians in Germany. It refers to specific arrival cohorts after several years of residence. Of the Syrians that arrived in 2015 and have been in Germany for seven years, 61% of the employable peole where working. That is a group in a group in a group. You can't apply that number to the total Syrian population.
The number was wrong in 2023 and it is wrong now. While quite a few people have acquired citizenship, the number wouldn't be high enough to explain a difference of 250,000 workers. Quite a few of the people who became German are children.
And we are not really talking about the German citizens here because they won't need to move anywhere.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
+1
Interestingly there're even more actual numbers and they don't match with your numbers:
https://www.zeit.de/arbeit/2026-03/arbeitsagentur-syrien-arbeitsmarkt-andrea-nahles-friedrich-merz-gxe
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MerionMar 31, 2026
+2
My source is the Arbeitsagentur, if you can find an official source for your numbers, I am going to look at them. Your 530,000 are still wrong.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
+1
The source I linked is literally the boss of the Arbeitsagentur Andrea Nahles.
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MerionMar 31, 2026
+3
No, you are linking to a page which actually does not give a source. But hey, shouldn't be problem to find them, right? If they are official numbers.
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PhantasmologicalAnusMar 31, 2026
+6
And? It was only ever temporary.
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ZuAusHierDaMar 31, 2026
-6
Germany has an insane worker shortage. We need a steady net-immigration of workers of 2000,000 per year. If we remove existing workforce we will need an even higher immigration.
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PhantasmologicalAnusMar 31, 2026
+8
So, get a group where over a pathetic amount actually work. Is that hard or something? Or do people need to waste time and money showing how altruistic they are, to their own detriment?
You need? What, Germans can't do work? Go and get what you need and accept nothing below the standards of what you "need". If a new arrival isn't what you need, what are they doing there? Importing their extended, also useless, family? Send them back. Simple.
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JudasPissMar 31, 2026
+7
He's not really a moron. Either the democratic parties listen to what a large part of the populations are expressing through their vote in radical anti-immigration parties, or they'll disappear and you'll have to watch your country turned into an authoritarian shithole in the near future.
Parties should adapt to the voter base and shifting opinions in a democracy.
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Hasselhoff265Mar 31, 2026
-5
If this means expelling half a million workers while you’ve got one of the worlds worst demographics.
Now the right has won, everyone is white again and we don’t have anyone to do shit in Germany cause the average person is an pensioner.
Our demographic is do fucked we simply cannot afford rascism at this point.
If you’re now looking at Germans demographics, search for whites only. It’s hilarious how done we’re.
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Minimum_Leadership51Mar 31, 2026
Or maybe they should only allow the hard working / integrated ones.
The rest gets the boot.
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