Merz Says Germany Wants a UN Mandate to Secure Strait of Hormuz

Which is exactly why China vetoed the last UN resolution. >This war was imposed upon Iran. The US and Israel are the instigators. The resolution would give unauthorized military action a cloak of legitimacy.

There is no military solution to ‘secure’ the straight of Hormuz unless you want a permanent occupation force of a few hundred thousand troops to occupy Iran’s mountainous coastal region - and likely come under constant withering attack. Maybe this should have been understood before USA and Israel started an illegal war. The solution to the straight of Hormuz is diplomatic. Which means treating Iran like a sovereign nation.

2. There is a UN mandate, which gives legitimacy to an eventual European military mission. Which Germany will fulfill how ? So again, he can say he tried, with other countries resources...?

Germany is more affected by the strait closure than the US, the idea that only the US is affected is often implied but ignores reality.

I mean yeah, doing nothing while you complain and argue about someone else doing something is the European way.

The US might, get the rest of the world to fix their mess. No way Russia would though so I doubt it matters.

isn't that the whole point. Demanding an UN mandate which will likely never come allows to offer engagement while knowing the massive L also lands in the corner were the rule of (international) law was undermined. So it says "yes" while saying "haha, told ya so".

The point isn’t to get it passed. It’s to give Germany and the rest of NATO plausible deniability when dealing with Trumps lies.

Why would the US be against it?

US would love it. Kinda crazy China wouldn’t.

The U.S would, Russia wouldn't, especially because they need the oil $$, China won't because they're watching the U.S deplete their stockpiles. It's just Merzs way of a middle ground. "Yeah, we'll help, but only if the U.N mandates it and makes it legitimate", so he LOOKS willing to step in, knowing full well Russia and China will kybosh it anyways so it'll never happen.

Blue helmets across all of Iran 🤣

You forgot another one: always say Israel bad. 

Merz is not willing to go to war. The request for UN approval has two aims 1) cover his ass in front of his domestic opinion, saying that the mission is following international law 2) ensure that (some of) the main stakeholders are willing to accept the intervention, reducing the risk of being dragged into a war

It’s a joke but it’s the best we’ve got. To a major extent, the international body still functions because countries still use it and buy into it. To many international scholars, that alone is the real purpose of the UN. A marketplace of debate and ideas. A refuge of peaceful diplomacy in times of war. It’s not meant to be an enforcement mechanism. A place to bring forth your idea and try to gain international support for it. Disagreement is the main feature, not a bug. The body wouldn’t be necessary if we all just got along and agreed on everything in the first place. And although the security council is pretty corrupt, consider that the UN would have ceased to exist without its establishment. Those countries would have formed their own international council and spurned the UN. Like I said, an international body needs international buy in, especially from the big fish in the pond. You may not like and I know I don’t like it, but every country on earth is using its seat at the table right now, and that means it’s still functioning and countries still see it as a worthy use of resources to be represented there. That to me is the essential, fundamental goal of international governance.

The point for Germany isn't to go to Hormuz, it's to tell America : >F*** you, we aren't jumping when you call to clean up your mess, If you want stuff done, there are proper channels for that. It will never pass, but you can try to send us there anyway, we'll get the popcorn ready.

Maybe it’s a third option: he does not want to secure the straight

he’s hopelessly naive *AND* pretends to be constructive, yet powerless.

People way overestimate how many Chinese ships have passed through, there is no real free access for Chinese or Indian ships either, Iran has let barely a handful of Chinese ships through as a gesture of good will but it's trickle compared to the usual flow.

Making deals with Iran is the problem.  We keep talking about international law and order during this conflict, but the international community recognizes the straight as internation and that all foreign ships are free to use it regardless of if what the bordering states say.  Making a deal with Iran only legitimizes their claim that they should control it.  

Like do you even understand what the point of it is. Its just a elegant way to just not getting involved at all since USA, China and Russia have veto rights anyway. Meaning the mandate never would come to be anyway. The opening of the straight is USA and Isreals problem and Trump has a far more serve inner political pressure because of this pointless war than anyone else.

Irgendwas mit Eiern und Zungeneinsatz, keine Ahnung.

The one carrying out atrocities is Israel