Congrats to Mexico for taking steps towards universal healthcare for their citizens!
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RedditReader403122 hr ago
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Trump notwithstanding, the US has sent military and drug enforcement aid to Mexico for decades. How much does this funding allow them to afford this? It’s a legitimate question and one that applies to any nation receiving aid of any kind.
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CyanConatus20 hr ago
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You realize only Americans believe this non-sense right?
It's not a legitimate question. It's a loaded question to push a narrative that the US government wish to push upon their citizens.
Drop it. Your allies are sick of it.
Sincerely a Canadian.
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skrilledcheese12 hr ago
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Fellow American here. We give them aid to enforce our failed drug policies, that's not really a gift.
Also, we pay more for the shitty healthcare system that we have. Meaning we would save money by implementing a single payer system here.
Don't get mad at foreigners, don't get mad at foreign aid. Get mad at billionaires and our corrupt right wing politics.
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ChopperChange10 hr ago
+2
Maybe the question you should be asking is why doesn't the US provide universal healthcare for its own citizens despite being able to afford trillions on "defense"?
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sagesbeta6 hr ago
+1
I do no man it's the us that funda, trains and sells weapons to the US.
Mo's of the operations to "help" we actually spy on the country it's well documented that they killed I for and before, it's even in the Epstein if you look for it.
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areeighty1 day ago
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It won't be long before Mexico has a higher average standard of living than the US.
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InterestingTry51901 day ago
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US citizens will be sneaking over the border for it.
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delicioustreeblood23 hr ago
+79
They already do. Some dental care is so much cheaper there, even with travel costs.
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morbie519 hr ago
+6
Mexico won't be foolish enough to give universal coverage to illegal immigrants
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PersonoFly16 hr ago
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Or maybe they will be kinder.
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sagesbeta6 hr ago
+2
It's in the constitution, it would be inhumane not to do it.
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Another_Slut_Dragon15 hr ago
+1
Bloody greenbacks. They are coming up here to Terk Er Jobs too.
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HairyForestFairy22 hr ago
+17
Their private health care system is stellar - I saw three specialists & had lab work / imaging done at a private hospital in CDMX. The hospital was nicer than the one in my city in the U.S.
Appointments were easy to get (no wait), cost the same or less than my co-pays, I was respected and paid attention to in a way that doesn’t happen here & found out more in 2 weeks there than I had in a year putzing around with my health insurance.
The whole trip was less than my deductible, and I got stellar care.
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Another_Slut_Dragon15 hr ago
+2
We get Americans up here paying the tourist rate for medical work. They say the full tourist rate in Canada is usually cheaper than their co-pay.
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texachusetts22 hr ago
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Soon Americans will have to pay tariffs, tax’s and possibly compensation to American health care companies for treatments received in Mexico or other parts of the world.
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permalink_save22 hr ago
+7
I've legit considered just retiring there along with a handful of peolle I know. Not like, come down and gentrify the neighborhood eith America, but the lifestyle is just becoming more appealing. Stuff like this only makes it moreso.
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Impossible_Song457111 hr ago
+2
I’ve been working remote and don’t care to return.
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rich84easy20 hr ago
+1
anything is possible if you ignore the reality.
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areeighty22 hr ago
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Whoosh
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Sea-Cheesecake30120 hr ago
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Maybe Mexicans won't have to cross the border to make a better life for themselves. win win
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sagesbeta1 day ago
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Nah, system has too many flaws it will be ten years before we see any progress.
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ItsAlexTho1 day ago
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You’re so right, best not even bother then
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Opposite-Bit66601 day ago
+98
Hi. America here. We wish we had universal Healthcare but we supposedly need bombs more.
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tegat1 day ago
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Your pharma/health insurance needs profits more. Not that US military budget isn't bloated, it is, but it have bigger problems. US spends 18% of GDP on healthcare and 3.4% on military. 2% is supposed to be the minimum for military, so reallocating would bring additional 1.4%. Significant, but not groundbreaking. Definitely not enough for universal healthcare. Fixing the horribly inefficient system will bring far more.
France spends 12% on healthcare and 2.1% on military for comparison.
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Horat1us_UA1 day ago
+5
Someone needs to pitch senators they could increase millitary budget if they introduce universal healthcare
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Hat_Maverick22 hr ago
+2
Someone should pitchfork everyone with more than $100 million
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Awkward_Silence-23 hr ago
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Goes to show how effective brainwashing/propaganda is.
The US would actually save a ton of money by moving to a Universal Healthcare System. The government is already spending a higher % GDP on the current Medicare system than most other countries entire universal systems cost.
Just means gutting the health insurance, pharma and other adjacent industries. So a hit to big political donors wallets, and a shift in many insurance jobs which would likely disenfranchise voters of whoever initiates it
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RedditReader403122 hr ago
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It comes down to WHO withdraw save money. Cumulatively, as a nation? Yes, that the accepted conclusion. But why would my employer, who doesn’t offer any benefits, and therefore, doesn’t carry the cost of health insurance, willing pay more in taxes to provide it universally? That’s just bad business, no matter how you look at it.
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Hannibal_Spectre20 hr ago
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Why does your employer pay taxes at all? Surely that’s bad business, no mater how you look at it. Hmmm… they are legally required to. I wonder if there is a simple way to get them to pay for health care?
I think a better question is why you feel the need to speak up for an employer that provides you with no benefits.
FDR had some good things to say about companies paying less than the wages of decent living.
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RedditReader403119 hr ago
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The amount of taxes than a business can pay is not infinite.
I have great respect for capitalism and those who practice it well. As far as benefits being provided, I am low maintenance and don’t want anything from my employer or my neighbor, via taxes taken from either.
FDR also believed Americans have a freedom from want. Who is supposed to pay for that?
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Hannibal_Spectre18 hr ago
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I’m certain if given the example of an employee in your benefitless company that developed cancer you would probably suggest Gofundme or the church.
You americans are hilarious. Almost every other country has this but you. Endless money for bombing brown people but no money for your people. You actively screech at the idea of paying LESS if it means everyone gets covered.
Propaganda is a helluva thing.
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RedditReader403118 hr ago
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Presumably, an employee with cancer wouldn’t be able to work and so would be out of the company. This isn’t a high tech or big money financial services company, it’s a staffing agency that places minimum wage guards and warehouse workers. State mandated wages are about double what the work is actually worth. Providing benefits or not providing benefits wouldn’t matter. As far as any assistance they might get, that absolutely should be in the form of voluntary charity especially since cancer isn’t contagious.
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LLJKCicero18 hr ago
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Nah, we already spend a shitton of our GDP on healthcare, amount of funding really isn't the problem. The problem is exactly *how* it's funded.
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S0LO_Bot11 hr ago
We could afford more bombs right now if we had well-implemented universal healthcare.
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FateUnusual1 day ago
More bombs sir, bigger bombs.
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Possible-Fudge-22171 day ago
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Well, seems like Mexico needed the wall after all... but you can use your bombs to tear it down again I guess.
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-TheExtraMile-1 day ago
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Congrats to Mexico!! Finally some good news, we need more of that!
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Pecncorn11 day ago
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As usual Mexico beating the US on social issues. legalized gay marriage, decriminalized possession of pot now healthcare. The US is 10 years behind Mexico.
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IntelligentStyle4021 day ago
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Mexico is marching her citizens towards a better future. America is taking her citizens backwards into uncontrolled uncivilized territory.
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gonko_861 day ago
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America is letting the techbros high on their own farts and weirdo designer drugs march them towards reinstating the feudal system
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MexicanEssay22 hr ago
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Nah it's all just corrupt inner circles making backroom deals and lining each other's pockets. In both countries.
The only difference is the US is doing it blatantly right now, while Mexico is in a more traditional "pretend to help the people" phase.
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tythompson1 day ago
+5
You clearly have not visited Mexico
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clone6923 hr ago
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This. All the foreign media sees is what Sheinbaum wants them to believe. This will be just like when Trump claims to have ended the war he started: we already had a universal healthcare system, but AMLO cancelled it because it was "full of corruption" (which, in actual Spanish, means it didn't have his brand and couldn't take credit for it) so now they replace it with what looks like the same but will actually be worse, and with Morena's colors, and you can be sure with a huge contract for someone of his inner circle.
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Lopsided-Engine-745621 hr ago
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Shh let the idiots enjoy their fantasy.
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MrForever_Alone691 day ago
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Mexican living in Mexico… this is a Garbanzo beans project, we have had social security for a long long time, those that work on the formal sector can include relatives from the first direct bloodline to this service. Here is the tricky part, out of the 130M citizens, only around 23.5M pay the IMSS tolls. You can do the math.
This and the previous government also have reduced spending over 7 years on public healthcare. The system was never really good but it could save you in a very dire situation, but any Mexican will tell you that they rather go to a private doctor than going to the current death trap public hospitals have become. Now imagine our public healthcare being free for everyone… when there aren’t medicines, proper infrastructure, doctors, rooms for patients, medical equipment, etc for those that do pay the taxes… it’s just insanity.
Mind you the current government has done a terrible job managing all their “Star” projects, not even kidding all of them have malfunctioned within less than 2 years of being implemented.
If you as an outsider think this is great, think again, Mexico is in terrible shape right now and implementing programs that will inevitably backfire won’t help out anyone.
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clone6923 hr ago
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That's what happens when the foreign media doesn't know the inner workings. They hear "universal healthcare" and don't stop to think how it will be sustained. And don't get me wrong, I have my IMSS and they provide me with my medication, but for higher specialties? They gave my dad an appointment to have him evaluated for knee surgery in 18 months because they don't have enough staff. They had previously refused him that surgery because "he doesn't walk that much, he doesn't need it", when he doesn't walk much because of the knee issues he has. Bottom line is, as we are now, the current public healthcare can barely be sustained and is always on the verge of collapse. I don't want to find out how they will screw this up like they have done with their other mega projects like the airport, the oil refinery and the train. This time the number of lives involved will be much larger.
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AslanPahar1 day ago
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We in America are about to spend all of our remaining money to bring "democracy" to ME, again.
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ArthurPeabody22 hr ago
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http://www.thelancet.com/article/S014067361261068X/fulltext is an article from 'The Lancet' about how they were reaching universal health care in 2012.
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Snapes_underpants14 hr ago
+2
This is what civilized governments do with the taxes their citizens pay.
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flriverlivin1 day ago
+4
Rapidly decreasing child population (birth rate), rising elderly population…system will start eating itself in 10 years.
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clone6923 hr ago
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In 10 years? The system is earning itself since a while ago.
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MercantileReptile1 day ago
+2
Excellent news. Who knows, maybe the northern neighbours will learn from Mexico if it goes well. You never know.
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Libinky20 hr ago
+1
How progressive!!!
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Reamab1 day ago
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Cool but about them Cartels still running the country?
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SomeSchmidt1 day ago
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You implying there's something wrong with criminals having influence in a country?
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sagesbeta1 day ago
+2
Or being their president?
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matchosan21 hr ago
They can afford this because they never paid for Trump's wall
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mindfu20 hr ago
(Conservative bigots who say the Nordic model only works because they're "homogenous" heads' explode)
(Conservatives then have to take their exploded heads south of the border for treatment they can afford)
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PersonoFly16 hr ago
In five years Mexico will be closing its boarder with its poor sick northern neighbour….
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TheGreatNemoNobody1 day ago
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The system is not ready to take care of all of us. It is going to be a mess
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clone6923 hr ago
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All those downvotes are either by Morena bots, or foreigners that funny understand that this is the case. They are just speeding up the collapse of the IMSS.
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