TLDR here: Sheinbaum asserts she and the federal government were not aware of this operation, and insinuated that Chihuahuan local government officials might have colluded with US officials without notifying the feds.
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Plenty_Fondant_9511 day ago
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Which is a good play even if they were aware to keep the narcos at arms length vs having them acknowledge he actual legitimate Mexican government as targets for reprisals
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CRUSTBUSTICUS23 hr ago
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Great point. It’s also worth saying that the more people in the government aware of the operation the more narcos were aware given the scale of the corruption.
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gotacogo20 hr ago
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So Mexico can send agents into America without letting the US government know?
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Narrow-Chef-434120 hr ago
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They just have to get the approval of local law enforcement, apparently.
So now Sheriff Joe in Arizona can authorize the MX to roll tanks, I suppose. Hooray, muh freedumz?
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XennialBoomBoom12 hr ago
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Only if they're wearing pink underpants.
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DisastrousAcshin17 hr ago
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That strays in to bigger army politics, and with that, no, they can not
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gotacogo15 hr ago
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No Mexico wouldn't use their army. Just covert CNI agents. They would target gun trafficking since the US isn't doing anything to stop it flowing into Mexico.
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yoguckfourself13 hr ago
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They'd have to divert the CNI agents doing the actual gun trafficking themselves
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CrispyHoneyBeef20 hr ago
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US isn’t a failed state so there’s a little more respect for the law
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pixelcowboy20 hr ago
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Eh, it kinda is.
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CrispyHoneyBeef20 hr ago
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Not even in the conversation. It shows a distinct lack of understanding of how bad things can really get if you believe that, and it’s difficult to even have a conversation with a person whose understanding is so far removed from reality. No roving gangs, no military dictatorship, fresh water and food for everyone. You’re falling for doomer propaganda if you genuinely believe the US is in the same boat as Mexico or Somalia or Sudan, etc. just because there’s a shit President doesn’t mean the country has collapsed.
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Invictum2go20 hr ago
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And you're falling for even more idiotic propaganda if you think Mexico is in the same boat as Somalia or Sudan, etc. Mexico and other LATAM countries are closer to the US than to freaking Somalia, and the US itself is closer to them than it is to places like Denmark.
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CrispyHoneyBeef18 hr ago
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As someone who works in LE and receives reports from Mexican officials I can assure you things in Jalisco, Baja, Sonora, and Sinaloa are much closer to Africa than the US. I can’t speak to the other states.
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RocksteadyNBeebop18 hr ago
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So since you are the resident expert on Mexican cartels.
Can you tell me where they happen to get their money from? Cause last I checked, it would appear that most of their money is earned by operating in the United States of America. They use that money to buy politicians and disrupt government authority in Mexico.
Does that give Mexico the right to unilaterally send police or military or intelligence agencies into the United States to extrajudiciously attack cartel operations (many who are assururedly American citizens) on American soil?
I'm just asking because you seem to be arguing that because cartels can operate in Mexico that their sovereignty is not worth respecting. Despite the fact that their operations are as well established on the American side of the border as the Mexican.
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6millionwaystolive18 hr ago
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I have family in Jalisco, and visit often. It has its moments with cartels, but they keep their violence in- house for the most part. And overall, it's a pretty peaceful place with regular communities like up here. And excellent food.
TL;DR: you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.
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GroundbreakingVast2218 hr ago
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Lmao these "america bad" listnookors thinking one bad administration is comparable to decades of cartel rule is hilarious
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pixelcowboy17 hr ago
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Meh, in Mexico you wouldn't get shot at by police for recording them or protesting, or get disappeared by the state directly into a government run concentration camp. Sure, a cartel might do those things but not the state, so it is debatable which state has failed more.
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yoguckfourself13 hr ago
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The cartels are the state and vise versa
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michigander_199420 hr ago
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People seriously don’t seem to comprehend how good America still has it. You can go in to the shittiest slums in the U.S. and still have access to pretty much any modern piece of infrastructure or technology. Our poorest citizens certainly have it rough, and the wealth within the country is shifting in the wrong direction no doubt.
BUT, it’s not even f****** close to literally anywhere in Central or South America, let alone sub Saharan Africa. I’m not even saying that like we aren’t in a bad spot or that we shouldn’t always seek out ways to improve ourselves, but calling us a failed state is insane. But comparing us to them is doing a disservice to those suffering in true poverty and fighting for survival.
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CrispyHoneyBeef18 hr ago
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I’m glad to see I’m not alone in having a modicum of perspective here. It’s sad
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calibud16 hr ago
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What are you basing this on? Have you been to these countries or the “shittiest slums in America” for that matter?
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stormywoofer17 hr ago
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Not what the rest of the world thinks. It’s pretty embarrassing
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CrispyHoneyBeef13 hr ago
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Embarrassing != failed state
Trump is a terrible president. The United States continues to exist despite this. The US government is more than a chief executive. In fact, all fifty states still by themselves have higher standards of living than most countries in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Central/South America.
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jkaan20 hr ago
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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alman300714 hr ago
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sure thing, sweety.
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Plenty_Fondant_95114 hr ago
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And also, it's CIA agents not DEA. So , maybe they were in Mexico without being approved, that's kind of how spies work right? Like we probably have spies from all over here in the US right now
You just apologize when your caught and the other country makes some noises but they're doing the same so as long as you aren't assassinating people like Russia has done (and been caught doing) it's not an international incident, just business as usual
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Bromoblue1 day ago
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I don't doubt the US would try to do operations in Mexico without the Federal governments knowledge. But involving the local government without the Feds knowledge? Seems less likely. Seems more likely they're publicly denying since her admin has been catching a lot of heat from her citizens as of late.
Edit: to all the downvotes, her hugs not bullets campaign has done a number to her approval. But she's also getting heat if she works with the US because of Trump's bullshit. She's in between a rock and a hard place.
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RICO_the_GOP23 hr ago
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Whay about US history makes it unreasonable that the CIA of all agencies might act outside of the law. They CIA doesnt even operate within US law and has conducted operations on US soil.
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mrm00r323 hr ago
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I think the CIA’s whole deal is they are the people we send to break the law in other countries. That’s like, one of the things they’re rather good at.
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TheBigCore21 hr ago
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Very, very good at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
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BlipBlapBloppityBoop16 hr ago
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They made today’s Iranian regime.
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Primary_Ad_73918 hr ago
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> her hugs not bullets campaign has done a number to her approval.
wrong president
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Bromoblue18 hr ago
She didn't coin it, but she did run on it before eventually dropping the policy
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Shot-Toe-28841 day ago
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may well be a public denial. Idk, to me it also kind of screams bribery by the Trump administration to stir domestic trouble. I view Trump's opinion of Mexico as 100% malicious though. If you believe the face value that Trump wants to work with Sheinbaum, then that doesn't really add up.
For me, this sounds exactly like something Trump would do. Idk why else Sheinbaum would be drawing more attention to it.
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Special_Kestrels11 hr ago
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I've seen this enough times in the news though. Incident happens in ally country and their government acts like they are surprised but it's been happening for years.
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dope_sheet17 hr ago
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I wonder if people in the federal government might be in cahoots with drug cartels........
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silentmikhail14 hr ago
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She's on the payroll for the cartels. Why would the USA fill her in on high level operations happening in Mexico when she could tip off the bad guys?
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anonskeptic51 day ago
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>any joint collaborations between the local government and the U.S. without federal permission would be a violation of Mexican law
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Grow_away_4201 day ago
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Its possible they did it without permission, or they did have knowledge and this is just a public denial
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Thurak01 day ago
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The article also mentions the possibility they did it with permission of the local authorities, but not the Mexican government (which would have been needed).
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silentmikhail14 hr ago
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Mexican govt is bought and paid for. CIA knows this. They couldn't jeapordize the operation. (see bin laden raid/Pakistan)
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MAGICALcashews11 hr ago
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Brother, Mexico is still a political ally. You can’t just launch operations like this without their approval.
It’d be fucked if Mexico launched an operation in Milwaukee without letting federal authorities know.
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airship_of_arbitrary1 day ago
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It's the CIA. It's extremely believable they did this without permission.
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Novemberai1 day ago
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It's come to light that the US agents were CIA, so they were probably the types to try to seek forgiveness later for any unlawful violation
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[deleted]1 day ago
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Novemberai1 day ago
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It's not a secret that "Embassy officials" is code word for foreign agent. In any case, the WA Post confirmed it. [source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/04/21/cia-mexico-accident-counter-narcotics/)
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Ellusive11 day ago
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Or America world police just do whatever they want because freedumb
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4estGimp1 day ago
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Well, the situation somewhat matches with this recent web site.
[Homeland Security Task Force](https://hstf.gov/)
# The threat doesn't respect borders.
# The response has to match it.
>Cartels move across borders. They exploit gaps between agencies. They operate at a scale no single law enforcement body can handle alone. The Task Force was built to close those gaps — permanently.
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Jesus_on_a_biscuit1 day ago
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Hold up ... are you suggesting the Trump administration would violate international law?
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Slaphappydap16 hr ago
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"Lady, we don't even follow American laws."
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Majik_Sheff16 hr ago
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Every. Goddamn. Day.
Twice on Tuesdays.
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theefle22 hr ago
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Hmmm inform the feds who will 100% tip off the cartel? Or try to actually be effective by only telling the local boots on the ground?
Not a tough choice from the American agency perspective...
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burgonies1 day ago
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Sure, let me notify the notoriously cartel-corrupted Mexican government about our clandestine attack against the cartels. I wonder why they didn't.
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RocksteadyNBeebop1 day ago
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There shouldn't be operations in friendly nations without that federal goverments consent. It's a matter of sovereignty.
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geaux12423 hr ago
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Not saying I approve of this, but what do you do when the government itself is in bed with and infested with the the threat you are trying to eliminate?
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RocksteadyNBeebop23 hr ago
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So you think that the only way to deal with cartels is to ignore Mexico's sovereignty and attack Mexican nationals on Mexican soil?
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GundalfTheCamo23 hr ago
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Yep, pretty much.
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Shotinthelight2623 hr ago
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Yes, lots of people do including government entities. I love Mexico but it's closer to a cartel state than it is to anything else
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geaux12423 hr ago
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I didn't say that, as I honestly don't know what the solution is, and you dodged the question. How do you work with that government against the cartels when they are for all practical purposes owned by the cartels?
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RocksteadyNBeebop23 hr ago
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Not dodging the question at all. My response was a rhetorical question.
Its not the USA's job to police Mexico. Full stop. The US has no right to dictate what goes on in Mexico's borders nor their government. If they dont like that then so f****** what?
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geaux12423 hr ago
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You are right that it's not the US's job to police Mexico but if Mexico can't or won't and the result is spilling into the US in the form of drugs and human smuggling among other things, then don't be surprised when US does something about it. If the actions of the cartels were strictly contained within Mexico's borders, do you believe the the US would care in the least?
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RocksteadyNBeebop23 hr ago
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There is no "but" ...Americans dont get to unilaterally perform police actions in other countries when they feel like it.
Jesus christ, it makes sense that your country acts how it does when its citizens are so willing to ignore other nations and other people's rights.
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jkaan20 hr ago
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People need to realise Trump represents the average American.
Think of all the interactions you have with them online, or their expectations of how people treat each other
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geaux12423 hr ago
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Then I will go back to the original question. What should the US be doing about the cartels in Mexico exporting human trafficking, drugs, and more directly into the US and how do they do it when the Mexican government is either at best powerless to do anything or at worst a co conspirator with the cartels?
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burgonies1 day ago
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So we just disband the CIA?
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GoldDustKid-1 day ago
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Lol sorry do you think the CIA are good guys?
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captain_decaption22 hr ago
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Of course they are.
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RocksteadyNBeebop1 day ago
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There CIA can gather intel and info without undertaking offensive attacks on foreign soil.
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DiabloTable99221 hr ago
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Failed states don't have sovereignty. If you as a Government don't even have the monopoly on legitimate violence in your own territory then you certainly have no ability to resist a foreign incursion. Put it this way; Iran's government have much greater control of their own territory, and they're run by dead people.
Trump's a b****** but one of the few things he understands is organised crime. The fewer dodgy public officials that know about the operation, the more likely that it will go well.
Remember when the USA flew into Pakistani territory and killed Bin Laden without informing Pakistan what they were doing? The reason why they decided to violate Pakistan's sovereignty instead of just telling the Government what they were planning is pretty obvious.
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NobodyLikedThat11 day ago
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two U.S. Embassy instructors who were participating in routine “training work.”
\-lot of words just to say CIA
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championsoffun1 day ago
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"Instructors"...very cute
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blenderdead23 hr ago
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Why am I suddenly hearing “Fortunate Son” in my head?!?
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American_PissAnt1 day ago
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Those are “Official Cover Operatives”. It’s the “Non-official cover operatives” you need to worry about. If they are caught America will disavow all knowledge and relation. This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
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AdCreepy516517 hr ago
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Its been 5 seconds, you need to send a clean up team.
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quadralien1 day ago
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Oh... *that* kind of operation. I initially thought it was medical tourism.
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Ranger_2421 day ago
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So Chihuahua ran an illegal op into Sinaloa and their drivers blew the cover by driving like shit.....checks out
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GrandPuissance1 day ago
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I wonder why the the local government didn't want to tell the Feds. Well I have a pretty good idea why.
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ManateeofSteel16 hr ago
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Either way the fact that the feds didn't know is a violation of the law and makes everything ten times messier
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theweirdball21 hr ago
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They rewatched Sicario and thought hey, lets send some CIA guys to track down drug traffickers in Mexico so we look like we're doing something about the drug crisis in the US. Oh and if we bomb some fishermen at sea, we can tell everyone they were drug boats!
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SayNoTo-Communism13 hr ago
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Seems like Mexican states are colluding with the US government independently after realizing the Mexican government works with the cartels.
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UbiSububi81 day ago
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Occam’s Razor: until conclusively shown otherwise, assume the Trump admistrstion screwed it up. Seems to be their natural condition.
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fullchub23 hr ago
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*"Chihuahua Attorney General César Jáuregui said Sunday the officials died while returning from the operation to destroy labs of criminal groups. They were driving in the middle of the night through rugged mountain territory connecting Chihuahua to the state of Sinaloa, when the truck “appears to have skidded at some point and fell into a ravine, exploding.”"*
This reeks of a coverup. Good money says they got killed by some cartel while doing something Trump ordered that nobody wants to admit.
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HunkeredDown202222 hr ago
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That is my thought initially as well. It may be the vehicle just skidded off a mountainside and exploded, but it seems more likely their cover was blown.
I wonder how many of these "instructors" are in Alberta, Canada at the moment?
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Remarkable-Month-24122 hr ago
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Nobody drives at night through rugged mountain territory in Chihuahua unless you have permission from cartels… they clearly didn’t know the rules.
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illegal_miles19 hr ago
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Hey, the CIA has been screwing shit up with illegal activities in foreign nations for decades, regardless of the administration in power at the time. It’s sort of their thing!
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SolventAssetsGone17 hr ago
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Why are ‘officials’ dying in Mexico respondes to so much differently than soldiers dying in and around Iran?
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Cool-Association342019 hr ago
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What’s truly sad is I get most news abt what’s happening in the US from other countries now.
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SignificantScreen1001 day ago
+5
Trump America is looking for a casus belli against Canada, Mexico, Europe since day 1.
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Rugby56216 hr ago
+4
Well yea, why would the CIA inform the Cartel that their doing an operation against them.
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Majik_Sheff16 hr ago
+1
Do I have a sign at the border that says "Dead spook storage?"
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16ozbuddz19 hr ago
+1
The explanation is Trump doesn't give a f*** about norms and laws.
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OperationClear58817 hr ago
+1
I mean I can see why the US wouldn’t want to notify the Mexican government, they have more leaks than a screen door
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blackmobius18 hr ago
I mean, you leave the feds out if the operation is to target the feds, too.
Or the usual Trump admin blunder that gets people killed for nothing. Could be that, too
Im not supportive of the operation or this admin, but maybe Im just pointing out what I feel is obvious?
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bibububop21 hr ago
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Friendly reminder that the United States it's the boss of both the cartels and mexican government
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