What happens to the people who are falsely accused? This can't be good for them, with short and long term consequences.
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esperstrazza2 days ago
+146
This isn't new
The asylum system of any country is known to not investigate asylum claims
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S0LO_Bot2 days ago
+17
Just curious? How does the asylum system work in the UK?
In the U.S. there are tons of asylum seekers (that may or may not be allowed to stay due to seeking asylum)… but very few are granted official asylum status by the state department.
Is it somewhat similar?
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esperstrazza2 days ago
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I'm Portuguese, not British.
In my country, asylum seekers come here and then must go to an interview with AIMA to get asylum. Problem is that AIMA is overburdened, so interviews can be delayed by half an year, and when they do happen the path of least burden is just to accept the story that is given.
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twelve_goldpieces1 day ago
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Not uk. But in general uk was slow to check the claims out. So it takes years.
So a lot then tried to stay on different grounds. Marriage, kids, job, ...
And a lot can't be send back anyway as the origin countries don't aid in giving travel documents.
But a lot only claimed asylum when caught, they ran around illegal as long as possible.
And if they got caught and send back, they would just return to the uk.
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FloatingPencil2 days ago
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So I assume that those found to have been doing this will have the decision revoked and be booted out immediately as a deterrent to any future such activity?
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twelve_goldpieces2 days ago
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the penalty of lying about your application should have a worse outcome than being simply refused.
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armywalrus2 days ago
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*eyeroll* Yes lets use taxpayer funds to feed and house people who have done nothing violent. Makes sense.
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excital1 day ago
+1
Doesn't cost much to ban entry.
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armywalrus1 day ago
People apply after being here........ ban all the stupid people regardless of where they are born. Get out.
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excital1 day ago
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Wow. Ignorance with a side of xenophobia. Arent you a treat.
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armywalrus1 day ago
+1
I am defending immigrants you not wit. I don't want them to have a "worse outcome." We should keep them and deport you.
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excital1 day ago
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You might want to check your tone. You really dont come across as pro immigrant - just mean and nasty.
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armywalrus1 day ago
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I don't care.
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Winter-Ad20331 day ago
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It's not a shock to anyone that tax burdrns like yourself enjoy c**** labour going into the country
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armywalrus1 day ago
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I am not a tax burden....... what a weird thing to say.
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MeringuePls2 days ago
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Millions must go.
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Leading-Fee-49082 days ago
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There are no millions of asylum seekers in the UK.
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mayguntr2 days ago
+18
It is literally 100k per year, but these dumb people would not even try to search or even believe it!
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unfortunatebag2 days ago
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>In the year ending June 2025, 111,084 people claimed asylum in the UK, marking a 14% increase from the previous year and the highest level on record.
You really buried the lead there. Higher than ever.
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Leading-Fee-49082 days ago
+1
Exactly, and 100K are applications, not approvals. About half of applications are approved so the numbers are really not that high for a country of 70 million people
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IWasNotMeISwear2 days ago
+7
For every granted application add 2-5 family members who come later through family reunion
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Leading-Fee-49082 days ago
+5
29000 family visas for family members of asylum seekers in 2024.
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crazyworldgig2 days ago
+19
That’s from the grooming gangs
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Rascha-Rascha2 days ago
+18
So their story is about a lawyer telling migrants to fabricate domestic abuse allegations.
Are they sure the migrants are the problem or is it the legal system?
Yet another case of 'the law works for you, if you have the money to pay for corrupt legal services'.
Plenty of genuine asylum seekers suffering domestic abuse and worse in the UK who don't have a casual 900 pounds to throw at a lawyer.
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wartopuk2 days ago
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>Are they sure the migrants are the problem or is it the legal system?
It's the migrants and corrupt lawyers.
Just like the illegal deliveroo drivers are also the fault of the migrants working illegally and the people renting them the accounts.
I'm not sure why people get off on trying to excuse the illegal behaviour of migrants. People who are working illegally or lying to game the system when they are not genuine refugees do not deserve any sympathy or latitude. Legitimate immigrants spend tens of thousands of pounds to follow the system and reside here legally. Legitimate refugees already are having a crappy time made worse by fake claims and illegal workers who reflect poorly on them.
If people want the immigration system fixed, that is going to include holding immigrants who abuse the system accountable and punting them.
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armywalrus2 days ago
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There are many legitimate immigrants who cannot afford to follow the system.
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wartopuk2 days ago
+3
I can't see how. If anyone is here as a skilled worker or student and can't afford it, they either didn't bring enough funds and that's on them, or their job isn't paying enough and that job shouldn't be sponsoring people.
The entire point of the system is either that you bring enough funds to support yourself or the job you take pays enough for you to follow the system. Not meeting that very fundamental requirement means they aren't legitimate.
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armywalrus2 days ago
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*eyeroll*
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giletlover2 days ago
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> holding immigrants who abuse the system accountable and punting them.
Punting them seems a bit harsh mate.
Edit: It was a joke! Jeeze calm with the downvotes and lighten up listnook!
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wartopuk2 days ago
+8
Figuratively speaking. They need to be told to leave the country. No more endless appeals and time for people abusing the sytem.
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giletlover2 days ago
Yeah it was just a joke.
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FragrantCombination72 days ago
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> Legitimate immigrants spend tens of thousands of pounds to follow the system and reside here legally.
Who gives a f***? It's good that anyone migrant or not wants to work and be involved in the local ecosystem, encourage their kids to get an education, and try to make the best of their situation. The legal system is what pressures people to enter and work without using it. Existing is not illegal. Human rights are not illegal. Movement is not illegal. Your mentality and those that voted for Brexit are why English people are treated poorly when migrating to the EU now. Did you ever think the shoe would be on your foot?
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wartopuk2 days ago
+45
Which foot would that be? Of being an immigrant? I am an immigrant, and I've been an immigrant before in other countries. I'm well aware of what it takes to be a useful immgirant. This has nothing to do with existing. This is about following the laws of the country you go to. If you're not a legitimate refugee, they don't owe you any allowances.
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wartopuk2 days ago
+47
it's not a basic right to be allowed unrestricted access to any country that is not your own.
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Hot_Way_16432 days ago
+18
You can't travel without a passport.
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aimoperative2 days ago
+26
Movement into my house is not a basic human right.
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FragrantCombination72 days ago
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Did I say that? Show me where I said it?
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Rascha-Rascha2 days ago
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Never said that people lying to get what they want was OK. Some situations are more understandable than others, but that wasn't my point at all.
The immigration system is just like any and all our legal systems, they are designed and structured in such a way that people with money can get what they want from them, and people without suffer. The system is working exactly as it is supposed to. If you're a migrant who has enough money, you'll be able to stay - sure, pay a guy to buy you three extra months by fabricating a domestic violence story, fine, pay a few thousand and you'll have a real lawyer who will get you a visa to stay.
But if you can't pay and you're at the mercy of the system, then even legitimate asylum seekers will fall foul of complex rules and rigid procedures.
Just like every single legal procedure in existence.
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wartopuk2 days ago
+8
>The system is working exactly as it is supposed to
I don't think it is, and I also don't think a lot of people in power want it to either.
Let's look at the recent mess with the illegal deliveroo drivers. This was the easiest problem in the world to solve, made overly complex by people who wanted to drag it out and a public who didn't remotely understand.
All these calls to have a new law holding the companies accountable was pointless. There already existed a mechanism to shut it down. Under UK law that kind of an employment contract legally allowed the contractor the right to substitute someone. However, it was their legal responsibility to verify that person's right to work. This type of employment contract has far wider reach than simply gig food delivery. It applies to call kinds of industries.
There is no mystery over how right to work in the UK functions. Anyone with a legitimate visa can generate a share code in minutes to prove their right to work. The person responsible for employing the illegal worker was the account holder. I didn't once hear a single story about holding those account holders responsible. Everyone screaming about deliveroo, just eats, etc who were, legally speaking, not actually responsible for it.
At any point if someone just ordered a few deliveroo orders, made the people who turned up show their share code, and if anyone failed, they turned around and started issuing max fines to the account holders (£50-60k) the illegal work would stop overnight, if not within a couple of days. No one is risking £50 rental fee for a month for a £50k fine. Instead they faffed about trying to make up a new law to hold these companies responsible for something that they weren't legally responsible for at the time. And they shouldn't be. It really doesn't matter that they're big companies. What matters is that there was already two legally responsible parties, and for some reason we had to go around and make some third party responsible and ignore the responsibility of the two parties already involved.
Now we have a situation where migrants are paying for legal advisers and lawyers to lie or help them make up stories to get visas or asylum. The response here: 'Are the migrants actually at fault?'
Yes. The answer is yes. They are absolutely 100% at fault. Both at fault for abusing the system and for making the entire immigration situation worse for the rest of us. Let's be honest, if the country wasn't being flooded with fake asylum seekers and low-skilled workers immigration probably would not have become an issue at all in the recent years. The rest of us could have just gotten on with our lives having been brought her to fill professional roles local companies struggled with. Instead our lives have all been turned upside down because of people like this. By people like this, I'm referring both to the immigrants abusing the system and those helping them do it.
If people are paying them to make up stories about domestic abuse, or being gay, they're doing that because they don't have legitimate claims they can prove.
if the system were working as intended, these advisors and lawyers would find themselves in jail, fined and their businesses shut down, and the immgirants found to have used their services to make up claims will be on the first bus/boat/plane out of here with no chance for any appeal.
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advmday2 days ago
+67
Buying class a drugs is a criminal offence. The legal system doesn't shrug it off by saying "oh, well the dealer shouldn't have been selling it. The user is at no fault".
Stop infantilising "asylum seekers". They made the choice to cross through many safe countries to reach our borders. They are more than capable of choosing to lie and abuse our system.
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Rascha-Rascha2 days ago
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Seen thousands of rich kids get away with exactly that because they can afford good lawyers.
The poor kids go to prison, the rich ones go to rehab.
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LuckyBoneHead2 days ago
+67
If you're filing false reports, its your fault. Or, lets put it like this, if I shot somebody, would it be a gun problem or a "this man shot another man" problem?
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Oldiebones2 days ago
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This is a bad comparison. They’re not shooting anybody, they’re lying to try to keep from getting deported. What lengths would you go to avoid getting sent back to some third world country you just escaped from?
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gloomycloud2 days ago
+35
Are you arguing they are justified in lying about their circumstances, making things more difficult for legitimate victims in the process?
Many of these fabricated claims come from people who are in the UK on student, tourist visas etc. Simply being granted one of these visas indicates they already have quite a privileged position in their home country.
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Rascha-Rascha2 days ago
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Different scenario - you shoot someone and you hire a good lawyer, they tell you exactly how to present it as self-defence.
Another scenario - you shoot someone, you hire a good lawyer, they get the case thrown out because the police did something wrong.
Another scenario again - you shoot someone, you hire a good lawyer, they get you a massively reduced sentence because you're an upstanding member of the public and you were under a lot of stress and what was the other guy doing there anyway, weren't they kinda asking to be shot?
Last scenario - you shoot someone, you don't have money, you get a public defender who has a dozen other cases to work, you get the maximum sentence.
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RedditIsADataMine2 days ago
+35
In all of your scenarios it's still the person who did the shootings fault that they shot someone.
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Roobsi2 days ago
+7
It's wilder than that, if I've understood right. The guy in question isn't a lawyer. He's just some guy who registered a company and the home office didn't check his credentials before corresponding with him
But certainly it looks like it's very clear on both sides that this is deliberately making a false accusation. That seems like plenty of blame on both sides.
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HighNimpact1 day ago
+2
They aren’t lawyers. They’re unqualified, unregulated, random people who work as “advisors” by posting on social media and then meeting up with people.
You could do it tomorrow.
They are not associated with, regulated by or inside of the legal system any more than any other criminal is.
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empowered6761 day ago
+1
Yes this legal tactic has been employed by immigration lawyers for many years
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jjb0ne2 days ago
dont hate the player. hate the game
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HasGreatVocabulary2 days ago
+4
to the disservice of actual immigrants in domestic abuse cases. The number of immigrants in real domestic abuse cases is probably much higher than the number of migrants making fraudulent domestic abuse claims.
>The number of people claiming fast-track residency on the basis of domestic abuse has now reached more than 5,500 a year - a number which has risen by more than 50% in just three years. "What evidence are you going to use because she doesn't hit me or anything so there's no domestic violence," our reporter asked. "Orally," Ciswaka replied. "You two have been having an argument and she's been telling you things like: 'Remember, I'm the one who brought you here' - those kind of things." Later on in the conversation he explained more about his plan. He said that he would present the case as "psychological domestic abuse", like "when someone is playing with your mind".
According to figures obtained by BBC News using the Freedom of Information Act, a total of 5,596 migrants made applications for indefinite leave to remain as the victims of domestic abuse in the 12 months up to September 2025, the most recent period for which there is data. Around a quarter of applications - 1,424 of them - were made by men, a rise of 66% compared with the same period two years earlier, with the number being made by women increasing by 47%. That has led some to worry the rules are being gamed by male and female migrants who make up allegations.
\> 'Remember, I'm the one who brought you here'
This threat, "remember..." is something that actually happens , psychological abuse is something that actually happens. So I don't know how to feel about this report, which only mentions a very small number of actual fraud cases, without mentioning actual domestic abuse, while providing stats about an increase in applications from men or women without linking those stats to a firm cause
For example, men are far more likely to undergo psychological abuse than physical abuse, and as times progress, both men and women are likely more open to reporting that abuse to the state or to a lawyer than they did in years past. As the world goes to shit, as people move around the world to escape bad situation, i.e. as immigration increases, the citizen abusers holding them hostage using the threat of taking away their visas also increases.
Perhaps the middleman providing this service has popped up initially because the state does almost nothing to protect immigrants in their country from actual psychological and oral domestic abuse leaving few options for an immigrant in a bad situation except for going to a middleman, or leaving the country, or staying with an abuser. The UK apparently did one thing to help the actual immigrant victims of domestic abuse, which is that they made the asylum application easy to make, and now because of a very few assholes, middlemen, and misleading statistics, that path will probably go away as well, to the disservice of actual immigrants in domestic abuse cases.
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100% agreed.
Globalization is simply a tool to destroy functioning society so the global elected can better control us
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Normal-Ear-57572 days ago
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Oh look it's the public broadcaster of Reform. Why do they even suck up to these guys, they do know Farage wants to abolish them, right?
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Oldiebones2 days ago
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I’m sorry but you can’t really expect people not to do whatever they can to not be deported. Like how is this surprising in the least? If you were about to be deported, lose your home and job and be ripped away from your family, wouldn’t you do the same?
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ThatRandomBlondeGirl2 days ago
+39
Oh no... I'm going to be ripped away from my family. Better report my partner for domestic abuse! I'm sure we will be able to stay together as a family if I lie and say they beat the shit out of me.
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RedditIsADataMine2 days ago
+32
I'd probably make sure I was legally allowed to remain in a country before moving my family there for a start.
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yubnubster2 days ago
+19
You can expect the people giving them legal advice, paid for by the government, not to encourage people to make false claims.
It undermines genuine claims, makes it less likely they will be accepted and makes a complete mockery of the asylum process, since it's clear that people are entering the country under a fake premise.
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Oldiebones2 days ago
I’m not defending the behavior, just stating that it’s unsurprising.
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