Always carry bear spray in bear country. If possible don’t hike alone.
Make sure you know what to do if you encounter a bear in the wild, if camping make sure you are taking precautions to not lure wildlife to your campsite.
This is a horrible tragedy and I hope everyone impacted can find peace.
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CalvinCostanza3 days ago
+716
Also, make noise. Generally bears don’t want to see you anymore than you want to see them. Most issues are the result of surprising them.
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viewbtwnvillages3 days ago
+497
noise is such an important part of it. i grew up in and did a lot of hiking in the rockies and even when i was alone i'd talk out loud to myself. i might've looked insane to anyone i came across but it worked well 99% of the time
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Gooch_Doctor3 days ago
+219
What happened 1% of the time?
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viewbtwnvillages3 days ago
+492
a mama grizzly and her two cubs meandered out across the trail ~20ft infront of me
very cute cubs! also a very pants-shitting experience. thankfully she wanted f***-all to do with me
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Gooch_Doctor3 days ago
+192
Yeah that’s a no for me. Im terrified of hiking in bear country
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viewbtwnvillages3 days ago
+121
i think that if my mom hadn't been hauling me around for hikes in the mountains since before i could walk I'd probably feel the same way! a lot of it is just being comfortable enough in the surroundings to be aware of scat & tracks & bear smell carried by the wind & making yourself known to anything around you, but i'd be far less confident in it all if i didn't grow up doing it.
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HamHockShortDock2 days ago
+36
It's weird that you say smelling the bears but when you think about it, this is probably a long time skill humans have possessed, and we only recently stopped thinking about what we can detect on the wind.
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badgerj2 days ago
+12
Nice! All of what you said is true. Some people wear bear bells. I just tell people to make noise. Talking is fine. If you’re upwind, the bear will smell you before it can hear you and likely just screw off.
I live where there are black bears literally in my back yard.
Only once did we spook a young cub… he bolted into the bush PDQ!
Kids have had them at school along with coyotes.
Never had a problem with them. One got into the organic recycling bin once. It is bear proof, but (s)he got in looks like ate a bunch of watermelon rinds. And an old pizza box.
Folks chased it off.
Reported, and unfortunately I think it was euthanized.
But super cool creatures.
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shitty_maker2 days ago
+14
Bears will persistently return to places where they have found food. That is what we were taught in the 90's at Philmont scout camp. They were really big on not failing at bear proofing, because it was generally a death sentence for the successful bear. The saying was a fed bear is a dead bear.
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Hokie23aa1 day ago
+2
Philmont was great!! Yeah, we had to be super careful about bear bags and sellable when I went.
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badgerj1 day ago
+2
Yeah. I was taught the same thing. Unfortunately there are a few people around who are not “bear aware”, and just really enjoy driving their Jeeps and just DGAF.
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acarp251 day ago
+2
Ok now I have to ask, what does a bear smell like and how strongly?
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viewbtwnvillages1 day ago
+3
how strongly depends on how close you are and if the wind is helping you out. ive never found it overwhelming but more of a "oh, something's definitely there or just been through here"
it's a very musky smell that almost smells like a variant of wet dog? if that makes sense. it's a very 'animal' smell for lack of a better word.
ive come across a handful who really smelled like garbage or meat, but i can only assume they sometimes roll in carcasses or dumped garbage that they find because it didn't seem to be very common
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KTKittentoes2 days ago
+35
I am too. I went on an itty bitty hike with my ex, and when we got back to the trail head, there was enormous bear scat and claw marks. I was like, “Race you to the car!”
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nightmareonrainierav2 days ago
+15
Seen black bears a handful of times, fortunately from a distance, and never had a worry.
But I'm in cougar country. Hell, there's a [mountain near me named after 'em.](https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/dnrp/nature-recreation/parks-recreation/king-county-parks/parks/cougar-mountain) Those scare the shit out of me. Fortunately never seen them outside of the (appropriately named) zoo over by there. Couple cyclists haven't been so lucky.
Those and goats. Mean fuckers. But they just [airlifted them from one national park to another...](https://www.nps.gov/olym/planyourvisit/mountain-goat-capture-and-translocation.htm)
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Gooch_Doctor2 days ago
+17
Yeah I’m not super worried about black bears, but cougars are also terrifying. Maybe I just shouldn’t go hiking lol
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Maleficent-Pen-80591 day ago
+5
I was 26 the first time I got mauled by a cougar and it was the best night of my life.
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dphiloo2 days ago
+11
Accidentally did a 10mile hike with my homies and, on the way back, they had gotten up on the trail a ways from me and I had a brief thought 'wow, this is nice, hiking in silence, on my own' and then the deep dread settled in my stomach and I realized I was exactly what a mountain lion would prefer and was certain there was one where I could not see. Better believe I hustled back to that group like the dickens.
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nightmareonrainierav2 days ago
+2
Oh I know, I love the quiet of solo hikes but so much that can go wrong (local sheriff also posts a lot of videos of folks getting airlifted off said mountain, and it's smack in the middle of the suburbs). And yeah, cougars are cats, they stalk and catch you off guard. Rare [but it happens.](https://www.kuow.org/stories/cougar-attack-washington-state-cyclists) (I've ridden that trail and know some of the folks in that article.) I do worry with climate change and extreme summer drought here we'll be seeing more of that.
But goats...those are probably a bigger risk. For a while they were everywhere in Olympic NP, and they'll try and gore you. Last time I was up there I got bunched up behind a group of people where a herd of them were blocking the trail. The group thought they were cute and was trying reeaaaally hard to get up close for a photo.
Fortunately a ranger with a paintball gun came and saved the day.
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GrandEscape3 days ago
+106
This happened to me one time, except it was a turkey mom & her chicks. She chased me down the trail. I screamed and ran for my life. 0/10 experience. I am not equipped for an encounter with bears.
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Dalehan3 days ago
+36
"Hey kids, wanna do something fun and see a human shit their pants?"
"YEAAAAAAAH!!"
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Osiris322 days ago
+10
"Yes, Mountain Rescue? I need to be picked up, I'm having serious heart palpitations. Also, could you bring clean pants with you?"
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smothered-onion2 days ago
+10
I came face to face with a full grown bear and this was legitimately my first thought. _mountain rescue?_ But then I looked at the frivolous little thing in my hand I called a phone and remembered we would have to coexist long enough for them to make it up there. And then I remembered they didn’t exist. And what would this non existent rescue team even do when they got there. And THEN I remembered what the lady at the pool said to do.
>Go on Git!
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[deleted]3 days ago
+3
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viewbtwnvillages3 days ago
+4
i can't even express how sad i am that this anecdote did not end in the undertaker throwing mankind off hell in a cell
however, very glad you and your hiking partner were okay! it's definitely a "my stomach just plummeted through my a******" moment when you catch sight a cub, let alone a grown bear
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Keytaro832 days ago
+6
“Oh hey! It’s noise human. Hi, noise human! OK. C’mon now kids.”
\-that bear.
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NorthernFrosty3 days ago
+46
> What happened 1% of the time?
* Bear is sick and behaving erratically
* Bear is starving and will attack anything that moves
* Bear cubs are around (you might not even see them)
As OP says, 99% of the times, bears want nothing to do with you. But sometimes they are sick or starving and that's what you need the bear spray for.
And people need to understand if you see a bear cub, your life is in danger. If Mama bear thinks you might be threatening, she will attack ferociously. Bear spray might not even be enough.
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tophaang2 days ago
+26
Your last point about the cubs really depends on what bear you are dealing with Brown or Black.
Black bears developed during a time when there were many larger predators for them to worry about, hence the skittishness and claws that are better adapted to climbing than a brown bears. So when a momma bear and her cubs are threatened, she tends to tree her cubs and either scatters herself until the threat is gone or stands by and tries to intimidate or bluff charge the threat away. Statistically, you’re in greater danger coming across a lone male black bear than a black bear momma and its cubs; in the US, of the 61 deaths attributed to black bears since 1900, only three cases involved a momma bear, and those cases were not in defense of her cubs.
Grizzlies on the other hand, 70% of all reported killings have been moms in defense of her cubs.
Obviously, respect animals and their kin, never approach, but it’s not that serious IF it’s a black bear. Just be cool, make lots of noise and back away.
On a related note, it’s good to learn how to tell the difference between a black and brown bear if you live in an area that has both.
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thefoodiedentist3 days ago
+9
Got put in mandatory psychiatric hold.
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seleucus243 days ago
+7
He got eaten by the bear.
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Swagtagonist3 days ago
+2
Vicious bear attacks
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mysteryofthefieryeye3 days ago
+31
I was sitting by a beaver pond and heard two ladies yapping and singing and hollerin' as they mountain biked down the valley from miles away. As they passed by, they stopped to chat and apologized for the noise. They didn't want to run into bears or cougars.
I, myself, used to belt out Gilbert & Sullivan while biking, so you're definitely not looking insane when that far back in the country.
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CitrusBelt2 days ago
+5
Haha, nice!
I used to go fishing at a spot that was "easy in, hard out". My buddies loved it; was a good way to get a good spot without wasting too much time on non-fishing.
Like, you could park on the highway & then just kinda zig-zag -- or at worst slide on your ass/back -- about 500' down to get to the lake level & walk the next half-mile to get to the spot; no big deal.
But then the way back to the highway was 500' on hands & knees in the dark, and it *sucked*.
So I got to the point where I'd always just drive separately, and then accept an extra two mile walk in/out on a less-steep trail. Far more walking, but less effort, and allowed for packing more gear (and beer!)
Going in during daytime was a nice little walk, but going out at 2:00am or so whole alone & stinking of bait/human food was always kinda sketchy.....every time I heard something paralleling my path (which was almost certainly raccoons/deer/bobcats/whatever that I'd spooked, and were just going up the same narrow canyon -- but mountain lions and mama bears with cubs were very much a thing there, too) I'd start belting out "Long Way to Tipperary", or whistling the theme to Bridge on the River Kwai....etc. etc.
I remember coming across a couple tweakers going opposite way down my "back route" one time at like three in the morning & thinking "Well, even if they laughed at my dorkiness....they probably also think I'm batshit insane & won't double up behind me, so good enough!" 😄
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mspolytheist1 day ago
+2
Mikado? Pirates? Gondoliers?
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mysteryofthefieryeye1 day ago
+2
Mikado, Pirates, Iolanthe, Patience, never got around to memorizing Ruddigore songs. I wanted to get to every patter song I could, but I don't bike anymore boooo
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mspolytheist1 day ago
+2
Cool. I’m the comic mezzo, married to the comic baritone/patter guy. I wonder if the bears would hate Katisha more than, say, the Fairy Queen…?
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mysteryofthefieryeye1 day ago
+2
I tried singing "When you're lying awake, with a dismal headache, and repose is taboo'd by anxiety" during a hike a few weeks ago and found I don't remember it anymore. That's probably my favorite. Need to brush up on so many.
Also Vincent Price did a TV (I think) movie, kind of cheesy, of Ruddigore and I really need to watch it.
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restckvrflw3 days ago
+18
I’ve also heard of people calling “hey bear” every several minutes
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poultran2 days ago
+19
“What?”— bear.
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jstewart252 days ago
+6
That’s what we were told to do by the park ranger in glacier!
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hirudoredo2 days ago
+8
yeah I grew up in bear country on the west coast and the one thing my parents imparted upon me was whenever I went to play in the side yard it was to make lots of noise!! so not only could they hear me, but it would keep some of the bigger animals (like bears) away. Luckily we had the kind of bears that are scared of their own shadow so I never saw any... except for when they would suddenly jump in front a car, but that was another issue.
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guntycankles2 days ago
+5
"Like a bear in the headlights"
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1WordOr2FixItForYou2 days ago
+3
Did you talk to "Mr Pocket"?
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th3r3dp3n2 days ago
+3
We carry our pots and pans on the outside of our packs. Backpacked in cougar and bear country, always treated us well, with bear spray as needed.
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Poptimus_Rime2 days ago
+3
Native Motnanan. Bells. We always wore bells on our packs. I live in the Cascades now, but I still have a small cow bell I've had for 20something years that stays on my pack whenever I go out. It's almost a good luck charm at this point lol.
Hell...I went out hiking with an old timer once that showed me an old camp trick to make a bear bell out of that empty can of beans you had for dinner and a bit of shoelace.
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ThatThingInTheWoods2 days ago
+2
I sing casons go rolling along if it's feeling too quiet (don't hike alone but would also sing alone lol)
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BWWFC3 days ago
+317
yeah, always always wear noisy little bells on your clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't expecting you. and without exception, always carry pepper spray in case of bear encounter. watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. also, recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear dung:
* black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur.
* grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like pepper.
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JustHereForCookies173 days ago
+83
I worked for a sporting goods/outdoor store for a bit (like REI) and we had "Bear Bells" at the register. A customer came up while I was training and asked if they worked and my manager, without missing a beat, replies "Well, no one's ever returned one."
I had to take a break after that.
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Sweetness_Bears_342 days ago
+23
It’s not easy to convince the bear to wear the bell though
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Osiris322 days ago
+7
The constitution talks about bear arms, not bear bells.
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slugamo2 days ago
+30
Once when hiking the guide told a story of a group about to go out who bought bear spray. A person from the group asked if they should put it on now before they leave. He thought it worked like bug spray.
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MadameRueWins2 days ago
+12
There is nothing more fun than the questions nature guides get asked. More than once I’ve been asked if the local river goes in a loop.
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buckeyeteamster19762 days ago
+3
My favorite was in Grand Teton one of the boat operators crossing Jenny Lake said that you should not bear spray a bear just because you see it.
I also accidently bear sprayed myself and my mother when I wanted to practice my technique before a trip and the wind shifted. Also I was not aware they are one time use (the one I was using I had previously discharged to get the feel of it).
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loyalone3 days ago
+12
Now **that** is a punchline!
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Flimsy-Attention-7223 days ago
+27
I have always loved this
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RegulatoryCapture2 days ago
+25
FYI, most experts recommend against the bells.
You need distinctly human sounds like talking, not curious little chimes that might actually attract them.
They call them “dinner bells” so the joke works pretty well.
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Groovy_Peppers3 days ago
+8
This is good advice actually, I make sure to smell the dung whenever I come across it
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the_blackfish2 days ago
+3
Raspberry. *Lonestar!*
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Tijenater3 days ago
+34
Seriously though, don’t wear bells. Just talk loudly or play music. Bells can sometimes make bears investigate
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chishiki3 days ago
+23
dinner bell
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firephoxx2 days ago
+3
Good one!☝️
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trogloherb2 days ago
+47
The first time the wife and I hiked in Colorado, cannabis had just been legalized, so we smoked a little and hiked.
We came across a dude with a speaker around his neck blasting rap. We were like “hey, whats that all about?” And he said “Oh, I like to make noise to scare off the bears!”
And we laughed and kept going on our way. About two minutes later, we were like “bears?!”
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MasteringTheFlames3 days ago
+17
Yep. I've spent a lot of time solo camping in bear country, both black and grizzly. If I don't have a partner to talk to as I hike, I'll regularly clap or call out "hey bears! Don't want no bears!"
I've certainly had a few bear encounters over the years that have gotten the adrenaline pumping, but I've never come around a blind corner of a trail to find myself five feet from a surprised bear.
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Zaptryx3 days ago
+14
My wife and I hiked in the Tetons and we were making noise the whole time. Whistling, clapping, talking louder than necessary. We didnt see any bears, but there were definitely some spots thst just felt like a bear could easily be nearby
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Indiana_Indiana3 days ago
+10
Yea this is great advice. When my girlfriend and i hiked through Yellowstone we would clap as we walked, never encountered any wildlife.
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viper_in_the_grass3 days ago
+23
"If you don't want to be bear food, clap your hands." clap clap
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not_the_cicada3 days ago
+13
You just made me vividly picture the mountain lion scene from The Parent Trap, thank you.
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Mpm_2772 days ago
+5
So just hiking for miles and clapping the whole time? I mean I get the necessity but that just makes hiking sound much less fun and relaxing lol
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sniker772 days ago
+8
How can you tell brown bear scat from black bear scat?
Black bear scat has bits of fur, nuts, berries etc.
Brown bear scat has bells and smells like bear spray.
/s
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Visual_Calm1 day ago
+2
And they use what’s left of your tent for dental flossing
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uniklyqualifd3 days ago
+7
Especially make noise when you are around moving water, which masks noise. That's where bells help.
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pete0032 days ago
+2
300 ft sound bubble at all times, slow down around blind corners
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jebei3 days ago
+2
This. I’ve carried bear bells on my backpack ever since my first visit to Yosemite. It allows wildlife in the area to adjust to my presence long before they see me.
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unicorntapestry3 days ago
+71
Edit: I just saw a news story on this and the victim's father is reporting he was carrying bear spray, they found a used cannister of bear spray on the ground at the scene and the area smelled of the bear spray. Can't imagine how terrified he was, rest in peace.
This is great advice. I am also from Fort Lauderdale and we do not have bears here. I visited my sister in Montana six years ago and we decided to do a hike in Glacier. At the gift shop she said "Oh we should pick up some bear spray" and I was really taken aback, the thought would have never crossed my mind. At the gift shop and parking lots of National Parks it does not feel at all isolated or dangerous. But we did go ahead and pick up the bear spray, and then it turned out the trail we were planning on hiking was closed due to bear activity. Since then I've seen several videos from Glacier of just how fast a bear can appear on even a well-trafficked trail.
We did not see any bears but we did see cute mountain goats.
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kstargate-4252 days ago
+27
Bear spray is extremely effective too so its the best way to get away safely, even from big brown bears and grizzlies. Just remember bear spray expires, usually in 3 to 5 years so keep it up to date
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TiltedWit2 days ago
+7
\> This is great advice. I am also from Fort Lauderdale and we do not have bears here.
Yes, but you have gators, and spray doesn't work on them.
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2CHINZZZ2 days ago
+4
Florida also does have bears. Not in the middle of Fort Lauderdale, but drive an hour or two to the Everglades and they're there
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RegulatoryCapture2 days ago
+6
At the gift shop? Ooof.
Go to Costco and you get 2 cans for less than the price of one anywhere else.
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unicorntapestry2 days ago
+10
Yeah we definitely paid for it, but at that point we were already in the park. I now know to purchase bear spray AHEAD of time (and probably actually practice using it at some point as well).
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EvelynNyte3 days ago
+64
And when picking a buddy to hike with make sure they haven't been keeping up on their cardio.
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Born_Local_14772 days ago
+4
I don't have to be faster than a bear, just faster than you.
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Nose_to_the_Wind2 days ago
+6
Go hiking with a FAT person! Having a buddy who is fire arm trained can make a difference when encountering a bear!
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Visual_Calm1 day ago
+2
Yep just having a gun is one thing. Better be ready to unload on the beast and hit your target
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MentalSky_3 days ago
+32
Yep. I’ve hiked in Alberta many times alone. Always have bells and Spray handy.
You need to read about recent sightings and know to change your plans if bears are more active
It’s also good to know what different tracks look like. And keep an eye out for fresh foot prints
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kesi3 days ago
+10
Bears are always active in Glacier.
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CarolinaOnMyMind8T82 days ago
+6
Are you a Park Ranger or something?
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Clean_Figure66512 days ago
+16
Bear spray doesnt even always work, it only works on bears that arent sure they want to hurt you.
Also - double clicking on make sure you know how to use it. Test it out first. The idea is to spray it in the path the bear is moving through so the bear runs through the spray. Don't try to spray it at their face
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ACrazyDog2 days ago
+7
Don’t hike in bear country. That is my precaution
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-DenisM-2 days ago
+3
It's crazy how many people don't believe they'll be attacked by a bear so wont carry bear spray
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Apprehensive-Gas79942 days ago
+3
I read that bear spray was found near his body 😳
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VanceRefridgeTech042 days ago
+8
> Always carry bear spray in bear country. If possible don’t hike alone.
and if you decide to carry, 10mm will do the job.
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Gantz-2 days ago
+3
That and a gun.
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BaronZarko2 days ago
+1
As if hiking with a friend would get a besr off of you lol
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guyuteharpua2 days ago
+1
They also have Bear Bangers now, that I've heard work well. I carried spray and bangers when I was in Wyoming last summer. Saw some massive bear prints. Scare the shite out of me.
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backbodydrip2 days ago
+143
Only 2 1/2 miles up the trail. Damn.
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outdoorruckus2 days ago
+60
Tbf there’s about a mile of hiking to get to the specific trailhead and there’s a possibility he was near the snow line…and he was doing it at 8:30pm
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penderies1 day ago
+38
Hiking alone at 8pm?! F***.
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diabetic_debate1 day ago
+16
I've been in Glacier alone at that time of the day in October on going to the sun road doing night photography. It is creepy as you are completely alone with not a person for miles. I left my car running and lights on with music playing just in case. I also never stepped past 5 feet of my driver side door.
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penderies1 day ago
+9
Yeah, like being alone in the wilderness at night is terrifying and dangerous when you set up camp at 5pm. Walking at 8pm alone in the wilderness sounds so dangerous. I wonder why he didn’t camp at dusk? Or perhaps he just didn’t know? :(
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Northern-Canadian1 day ago
+5
I imagine someone planning a hike for that late would be pretty confident and aware of what they’re getting themselves in to.
Poor guy.
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diabetic_debate1 day ago
+3
May be, but that same night I was doing photography I was camped in one of the campgrounds and apparently two bears,a mom and cub walked by my tent. My neighbour told me the following morning. If they wanted a snack I'd have been a goner as I was super tired and wasn't expecting trouble from wildlife in the middle of a crowded campground.
Unless the guy was expecting an encounter every step it's easy to imagine they got distracted or something. Even if they weren't, not sure there is anything they could have done without a weapon of some kind.
This was my campsite
[Glacier](https://i.imgur.com/4eGc2Oe.jpeg)
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mvincen953 days ago
+481
Interestingly there was no park visitors killed by bears until 57 years into the parks existence, until one night when two separate attacks by different bears killed two people. Jack Olsen, my favorite author, wrote a book about it.
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darknesswascheap3 days ago
+197
Night of the Grizzlies. Great book!
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Born_Local_14772 days ago
+62
My family took a two week trip to glacier when I was 11. I bought that book at the gift shop the day we arrived. I was the loudest kid on the trails those two weeks, let me tell you.
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hiddenhockey2 days ago
+23
Looks like it’s out of print, I wanted to buy it
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[deleted]2 days ago
+27
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menstrual-couplet2 days ago
+5
Thank you! Ordered!
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sergiooep2 days ago
+4
They released a movie about this a few months ago I believe
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Lachtaube2 days ago
+10
Wild World made a [video](https://youtu.be/auLLd5w_-HI?si=e6zQDseu1R4LMh-T) about the events a few years ago, 10/10. Very entertaining. A little ashamed to admit I got jump-scared by a video essay but it’s well made.
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lolofaf23 hr ago
+5
Just like how the grizzly man lived with them for years without issue, until one day they brutally murdered and ate him.
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amandatoryy2 days ago
+336
Damn. This is my friend. I just saw the post on Facebook. I’m not even sure what he was doing up there, we live in Florida :(
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Klutzy_Leave_17972 days ago
+35
So sorry.
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gonzo_attorney2 days ago
+101
Oh no. I'm so sorry. What a terrible way to learn this news.
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NepheliLouxWarrior2 days ago
+23
I'm sorry for your loss. That really sucks.
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HolyzombieBatman2 days ago
+18
I’m so sorry you lost your friend and had to find out this way.
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penderies1 day ago
+7
I’m so sorry.
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Eyfordsucks1 day ago
+3
My condolences and deepest sympathies
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medicalmosquito1 day ago
+2
Oh honey 😔 I’m so sorry
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NotAtAllExciting3 days ago
+414
Bear spray is necessary. This is active season for bears.
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FTP_FTP_3 days ago
+142
And they rent bear spray cans and give you a training to use it at glacier.
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smitty0463 days ago
+112
There’s signs literally everywhere in Glacier telling you to carry bear spray and how to use it.
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zorionek02 days ago
+82
This reminds me of an old joke from Scouts:
“In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear confrontations, the Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and be alert for bears while in the field. …We advise that outdoorsmen wear small bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren’t expecting them, and to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter.
It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contain lots of berries and fur. Grizzly bear droppings have little bells in it and smell like pepper.”
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sonic_couth2 days ago
+10
Classic. I first heard that from some kids working at the KOA in St. Mary.
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Vondobble2 days ago
+15
It doesn’t say in the article that he didn’t have bear spray.
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Sweetness_Bears_342 days ago
+27
It’s important to have the bear spray out and accessible when on the trail. If you get in a situation where you need it, you won’t have time to retrieve it from your back pack.
My former manager and his daughter were attacked by a grizzly bear in Glacier National Park a little over 20 years ago. Thankfully they both survived but were messed up pretty bad.
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suzanious2 days ago
+58
Long ago,I went with our scouts to do long term camping in the California mountains near Lake Arrowhead.
I remember all the warning signs about possible bears in the area. At the actual camp, they had a "bear box" which was a fortified box with locks on it.
Everyone had to put all food items, toothpaste, chapstick and even deodorant in the box before we went to sleep in our tents. We even had to do a check to make sure the kids didn't have anything hidden in their tents. They took the bear warnings very seriously there.
I was the only female scoutmaster, so I had a tent to myself which didn't make me feel any safer.
During the day the kids were always talking, so enough noise was being made. But during the night was when I would be concerned.
Fortunately, we did not encounter any bears on that trip. You never know, though.
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Anamolica2 days ago
+38
Sorry if Im taking the wind out of your sails but I just want to make a note: Black bears are what you were worried about in California. Black bears prolly arent gonna hurt you.
Grizzlies are like great white sharks but on land. (kind of a perfect analogy since attacks/deaths are rare).
Kinda just wanted to point that out, since many people conflate the two. Im sure you know this, Im just saying it for the edification of others.
A black bear is to a grizzly what a bobcat is to a cougar. Not really that scary tbh.
You could definitely get hurt by a black bear *especially* if you're not careful with food, especially dealing with kids. You were definitely right to take it seriously and all that.
Ive seen folks at Yellowstone and Glacier who dont seem to understand the difference between black bears and Grizzlies. When they think a black bear is as scary as a Grizzly its harmless and funny. When they think a Grizzly is as scary as a black bear, the result is often terrifying lol.
If I can fix that for one person reading and keep them safer somehow someday, this comment will have been worth typing!
Also thanks for getting kids outside in the great outdoors!!! Super important and valuable!!!!!
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Eyfordsucks1 day ago
+4
This is wonderful information and I feel it’s pertinent to add my little tidbit as respectfully as possible:
There are a lot of black bears that aren’t dark enough to appear to be a black bear and they are considered to have a “cinnamon/brown” coat. Some people call them cinnamon black bears. They are very common and often are mistaken for grizzlies.
They look like mini grizzlies and you can only tell the difference by their smaller size, getting close enough to see if they have a pronounced shoulder hunch, or recognizing a straight facial profile or very curved claws.
We get a lot of local facebook posts in Idaho from tourists about “young/baby” grizzly bears with pictures of cinnamon black bears attached and then everyone educates each other in the comments.
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Drabby1 day ago
+5
Thank you for caring about the safety of black bears. As a California girl who used to be an avid hiker/camper, I've had several black bear encounters. They aren't here to make trouble, except as scavengers. One of them caught me with my pants down in the bushes. We politely ignored each other.
...Ok, to be honest I squatted quietly in my boots while hoping a full-grown bear would accept my submissive act. The bear politely ignored me.
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medicalmosquito1 day ago
+2
Black bears are like dogs on my experience. Most of them don’t give a shit about you, some might be curious, very few will attack you for seemingly no reason whatsoever but it’s usually because they’ve been habituated to humans and feel entitled to their food. There’s also the case of getting between a mother and her cubs so if you ever come across a bear cub, GET THE F*** AWAY FROM IT ASAP
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Knightmare9451 day ago
+2
There have definitely been people killed by black bear. You don’t want to play dead when attacked by black bear the way you would if you were attacked by a brown bear. Black bears are more shy than brown bears, and are more likely to run away when they see a human.
So if a black bear attacks you, it likely wants to eat you. So you want to make yourself look as big as possible and if necessary, fight back.
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axlgreece52022 days ago
+26
My excuse for never doing anything in life is that there could be bears.
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Successful-Phone5622 days ago
+18
I stopped going to my local bathhouse because there weren't ENOUGH bears.
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BrainRobotron3 days ago
+88
Are there many other things that could mimic a bear attack? Maybe a cougar?
Edit: the more information people provide, the more nightmarish this person's last moments sound.
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Hsabes013 days ago
+231
Cougar attacks typically result in injuries to the upper body; head, neck, upper torso. Grizzly bear attacks are a full-body experience. Both horrible ways to go, but still different.
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BrainRobotron3 days ago
+69
Great info! They both sound horrific.
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MaverickTopGun3 days ago
+106
Grizzly's will start to eat you without killing you where mountain lions tend to go for a killing blow e.g. the neck or head.
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horkus13 days ago
+90
And this is why I find grizzlies to be the most terrifying animal. Even big cats like lions or a tigers will snap your neck first but grizzlies do not give a shit and will just start eating. They’ll even leave you alive, partially eaten & buried, and come back for seconds.
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black_cat_X22 days ago
+48
Have you watched many nature documentaries or even just some clips from the nature is metal sub? Big cats will definitely start eating you alive. If you're very lucky, they grab your neck early in the process and clamp down until you die. But usually it's more like "clamp down until you stop struggling just enough to tear into you."
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danipnk2 days ago
+9
Depends on the cat. Lions and tigers, sure. But cougars are not that much bigger than a human adult and will definitely try to incapacitate its prey before beginning to eat.
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crabgrass_attack2 days ago
+12
im no expert but maybe as long as you are moving enough that they cant sit there and take bites out of you they will try to go for the neck to kill. so if i were ever in that situation with no hope id try to do that i guess to make it quick. I’d like to think id be smart enough to bring bear spray
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NewspaperChemical7853 days ago
+38
Polar Bears are even worse. Those things terrify me
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gizmo10242 days ago
+15
Yeah, they’ll eat out your a****** and wear you as a skin suit.
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EvelynNyte2 days ago
+13
I mean that's what humans do
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watering_a_plant2 days ago
+6
\~\*\~not all humans\~\*\~
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braydenmaine3 days ago
+77
I think they're debating whether a bear ate him after he died, or if it was the cause of death
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SickBurnerBroski3 days ago
+43
god i hope it was after. that's a horrible way to go.
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BrainRobotron2 days ago
+13
This sounds far more logical than my train of thought and not at any more comforting.
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Tyrrox2 days ago
+11
Unfortunately Bears typically don't wait until you're dead to start eating you. Cats like to kill you and then eat you, bears just like to hold you down and go for it
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quiet_light_3 days ago
+63
There was another death (two years ago, I think) near Big Sky, MT. It was initially reported as a bear attack, but then it turned out it was a homicide. The whole thing was crazy and horribly sad.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-man-convicted-killing-initially-reported-possible-bear-attack-rcna243601](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-man-convicted-killing-initially-reported-possible-bear-attack-rcna243601)
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OrganizationGood27772 days ago
+2
The ol self defense claim huh..
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kesi3 days ago
+9
Maybe but Glacier is bear country and encounters are common (and typically harmless)
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Acoldsteelrail2 days ago
+11
This event is shocking, but also extremely rare.
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Shrimp19911 day ago
+7
Backpacked there many years ago, saw black bears with cubs and grizzly bears. Never did sleep good in our tents.
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Brief_Seat97212 days ago
+25
I carry a 44 mag or 10mm whenever hunting, fishing, or hiking in bear country. I’ve been to glacier a few times and there’s a ton of bears with really thick cover in certain spots. It’s easy to get close and not even realize it.
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ErectStoat2 days ago
+21
I do too (10mm), but you should also carry bear spray as a first line defense if you don't already. It's genuinely more effective than a firearm.
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Brief_Seat97212 days ago
+7
I do carry bear spray. I’d rather not shoot a bear if I don’t have too.
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ErectStoat2 days ago
+3
Sounds like we're of the same mind.
Which 44 mag do you have/how do you like it? I really waffled between the 10 and 44. Ended up going with the Glock for 15+1 and the fact that my wife can also shoot it, whereas I'm not very confident she could handle the 44 mag recoil.
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Brief_Seat97212 days ago
+3
I have a Ruger 44 Super Red Hawk Alaskan. It’s a good gun and does what it’s designed for well. I prefer carrying my 10mm because I shoot it better and it’s semi auto. I probably wouldn’t switch from the Glock loaded with 220 hard cast imo.
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vortexmak1 day ago
+2
Which 10 mm? , I'm looking for something small and light for hiking but still effective against lions and bears
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Brief_Seat97211 day ago
+3
Glock 20 vmos with a red dot sitting on top. Fairly light so it’s good for hiking.
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davisyoung1 day ago
+4
I had to watch a video when getting a backcountry permit, I was paranoid of bears to whole time there since I was hiking solo.
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AndyEMD3 days ago
+31
Most bears are only searching for hugs.
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MyNameisClaypool3 days ago
+33
Or pic-a-nic baskets.
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Hsabes013 days ago
+6
Forbidden teddy bear
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Mrshaydee1 day ago
+3
It’s not accurate that it’s the first deadly bear attack in Glacier since 1998. A man was injured and his daughter fatally wounded on the Iceberg Lake trail around 2008.
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Prestigious-Key-18861 day ago
+2
I was told during my hike that I will shit myself if a grizzly charges at me I guess that’s my self defense
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beardedsawyer2 days ago
+4
Alone? Jesus, that would be horrific.
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wjeman3 days ago
+8
One should never attack a bear while on an unarmed hike.
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Hatzmaeba2 days ago
+2
How this keeps happening? In Finland bear attacks are rare and getting killed by one is extremely rare. Is it because of different species (assuming this was a grizzly, which we don't have here, only browns), or something else? I lived years in a region that is known to have a dense bear population, and I was only taught to keep noise while moving in forest.
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Big-Astronaut42522 days ago
+91
I wouldn't say that it keeps happening. The last time this happened in this park was something like 28 years ago. If you're including all of the US and Canada, then that is more area and a lot more bears than all of Europe.
But, yes. Different species of bear, and different environment.
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throwhelp20242 days ago
+13
Wasn’t there another bear attack at Yellowstone NP this week tho? Not deadly but major injuries.
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Rodeo91 day ago
+2
Yeah and two dead in Alberta right north of glacier late last year.
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Wade_W_Wilson2 days ago
+33
Most folks in Finland aren’t hanging out near the Russian border. In the U.S., random people go deep down trails with brown bear activity.
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dagassman2 days ago
+22
Grizzly is just a brown bear but I do believe Eurasian brown bears tend to be more shy even though they are the same species. Montana has some of the highest density of brown bears in the lower 48 states and my guess is a lot more people recreate in brown bear country in the us then in Finland. We have a lot of tourists from out of the country come to parks like glacier and Yellowstone where higher density of grizzlies exist. Just my thoughts.
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TiniestPint2 days ago
+12
The bears in North America are.... something else. They're all bears, obviously, but their characteristics and personalities are very different.
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penguin12162 days ago
+6
In places like Colorado it's more rare but it's because we have black bears. Although a woman was killed by a black bear not long ago. Bears are bears but this is why we follow the rules below.
Black fight back
Brown lay down
White say goodnight...I hope to never meet a polar bear
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NoBoolii3 days ago
+1
What about a firearm? Do people recommend brining that?
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MasteringTheFlames3 days ago
+43
Studies have shown that bear spray is *more* effective than bullets. Bear spray requires less accuracy (and the adrenaline of a real life and death situation tends to cause decreased accuracy with a gun compared to at a range) and if you do miss the bear, spray isn't as dangerous to that invisible hiker a couple hundred feet through the woods like a stray bullet is. Bear spray also doesn't cause permanent injury to the animal, while still teaching them a permanent lesson not to mess with people. Bear spray is better in almost every way.
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CitrusBelt2 days ago
+4
Iirc, that study (or the studies that folks often refer to on the topic) was, at least arguably, rife for misinterpretation.
From what I remember, it boiled down to:
"For every hundred times bear spray was used, X people got mauled; for every hundred times a gun was resorted to, Y people got mauled".
So the question is, what context either was being used in.
Same exact situation for both?
Or.....was there bear spray being used frequently in situations that wouldn't have warranted shooting at a bear anyways? And maybe that bear didn't even get hit with it; it was just doing a mock charge.
Like, if I was out stomping around in brown bear territory and came across one that was following/circling/displaying but not actually charging? I wouldn't go shooting at it, but I damn sure might pop off some bear spray if it was getting uncomfortably close.
On the other hand, if some 800lb bear is running straight for me at 35mph with no signs of it being a mock charge? Yeah, I'm not dicking around with bear spray; that f*****'s getting as many brenneke slugs or 300gr-400gr-ish solids as I can pump out before I get mauled.
The other thing is that people have an exaggerated opinion of how strong/easy to use bear spray is.
Yeah, getting a faceful of bear spray is no fun at all (I have firsthand experience....long story) but it's no damn stronger than any other peppers spray; there's just a bigger stream & more volume. And it's a hell of a lot more dependent on the wind speed/direction than a bullet is; it's entirely possible that you'd miss Mr. Bear entirely, but get enough blown back into your own face that *you'd* be incapacitated rather than the bear. Takes a while to really mess you up, too; if you used it on a charging bear and hit it square in the face, doesn't do much good for you if that bear already reached you, smacked the shit out of you before its eyes got blurry, and then had to go wait it out for a few hours.
Just sayin'.
Full disclosure: Am not anti-bear, nor am I pro-bear-hunting, and I personally find bear (not to mention wolf/coyote/fox) hunting distasteful....although I do realize that some folks consider bear meat delicious, and I don't doubt them on it.
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thatsmyburrito2 days ago
+7
There was a guy getting mauled near the Tetons in the past few years. He had his bear spray on a lanyard, surprised the bear at close distance and did not have time to react. The thing that saved him was the bear spray somehow swung around his neck and the bear bit it, as soon as that happened the bear attack stopped.
The study, if you are referencing the one by Tom Smith, did have a breakdown between curious and aggressive incidents. There was an 86% success rate in aggressive incidents.
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genreprank2 days ago
+6
I'd take both, but I'd also be fine with just bear spray. One problem, like you said, is choosing which option in the moment. Theoretically, the bear spray is more effective, and it's a better outcome for the bear. But I think there aren't a lot of samples to study. Maybe hundreds.
There are logistical issues with carrying a firearm, both legally and in terms of how you choose to carry the thing when you probably were trying to hike. Also, it's not uncommon for the heavy ass bear to die on top of you. You need a buddy to help anyway. On top of that, not everyone is a gun person...guns are expensive, dangerous, and you should take trainings and practice.
Bear spray is much cheaper. Also, I recommend carrying 2. If you have to use one, you're going to want another one for the trip out.
Also, you need to carry bear spray ready to go (not in the pack). Firearms need to be ready to go and chambered.
Getting attacked is very unlikely. You can hike solo with just bear spray and be just fine. But if you can, bring a friend, each carry bear spray, carry pistols if you are gun people, use bear spray first, buddy uses pistol if necessary.
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whitemiketyson3 days ago
+7
Maybe a pickle brine.
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CitrusBelt3 days ago
+17
Yeah....but for brown bear what's really required/effective is gonna the sort of thing that anybody who's capable of using it effectively is almost certainly already doing that anyways when they're in bear country.
I.e. a *bare* (bear?) minimum of 10mm with good hardcast bullets, but preferably something quite a bit more stout (i.e., not really a case of "Well I have my little G26 that I use as a ccw, so I'll bring that along on a hike & I'm good to go).
Anything is better than nothing, though, of course.
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Accurate_Mobile90052 days ago
+5
Most national parks have a ban on carrying firearms concealed or otherwise.
These rules supersede a states carry laws.
The exception can be in areas designated for hunting and in season for that area.
Hiking trails usually are not in these hunting areas.
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Regenclan2 days ago
+14
I've been to a bunch of national Parks and have never seen a no guns sign. I think you are thinking about state parks. Under the Obama administration we became allowed to carry in national parks
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Accurate_Mobile90052 days ago
+1
Yeah you're right about that. I was mixing up those rulings.
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aNuggetsUncle2 days ago
+1
Bear attack is a bad way to go
Carry a gun with you if hiking in predator country
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grandmaster_zach2 days ago
+3
Very, very bad way to go... scares the shit out of me. Make sure to leave at least one bullet for yourself.
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