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RaisinWorried3528 4 days ago +1747

Say what you will about big Pharma, but if everyone dies they will have no one to fleece. It's in their best interest to keep people alive.

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Unlucky-Bunch-7389 4 days ago +340

At least big pharma is still researching this stuff - while the federal government of the US is acting like vaccines are useless For the first time in my life I can say big pharma is probably less corrupt than our government

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leon27607 3 days ago +48

Big pharma does research for profit. The government is supposed to do it to benefit its citizens but is currently gutting all funding.

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Yourdataisunclean 1 day ago +1

Problem is big pharma is heavily reliant on public research for their own pipeline. They do very little unproven discovery work and instead prefer to develop drug candidates from things that already have some proven potential.

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maxdragonxiii 4 days ago +17

it also have 40% chance of fatality once you get it. theres no treatments. all they could do is to take care of you until you recover or die.

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imminentjogger5 4 days ago +401

but not too alive right?

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CivicDutyCalls 4 days ago +251

Honestly, until fairly recently, it was extremely difficult to find cures for most things. Gene sequencing an entire genome costs like $300 and takes less than 24 hours to run, Google AlphaFold, etc. These things are new and c**** which means most university labs can do this research whereas 10-15 years ago it was still limited to the biggest pharmaceutical companies and best funded universities and even then it was trial and error. Moderna having a vaccine candidate in under a week is a regular thing now, whereas for Covid, having the vaccine candidate available in 48 hours of the Covid sequence being published was literally brand new research.

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CopainChevalier 4 days ago +89

There's something depressing about seeing such a rational take and everyone just ignoring it; meanwhile the other comment chains with more upvotes are just talking about how these companies want to kill everyone

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CivicDutyCalls 4 days ago +18

Eh. It’s easy to be pessimistic given history of under investment and political sabotage of research. And the whole profit motive. It’s easy to conflate all of the nameless pharma companies together because some key medicines like insulin are predatory or one company literally causing the opioid epidemic. But most pharmaceutical companies literally spend 20 years just researching a drug and get that single drug made and focus on that forever because it’s so difficult to find other drugs. Your problem with the pharmaceutical industry isn’t the people. It’s the capitalists. These small companies are going to start cranking out cures though thanks to these recent breakthroughs

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Sighlina 4 days ago +56

Just alive enough to pay the bills. No money in the cure.

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stormelemental13 4 days ago +150

> No money in the cure. Antibiotics are made by 'big pharma' and cure diseases. Vaccines cure diseases. Cancer treatments cure diseases. You can join RFK and jump in a lake.

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Gentleman_Nosferatu 2 days ago +4

Always these loser conspiracy theorists when the subject of vaccines arises.

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Naktura 4 days ago +158

1. Takes like this show a fundamental lack of understanding in how illnesses propagate inside our bodies and how they are treated. 2. Are you shitting me? The first company to develop a generalized cure for hantavirus or SARs virus strains will be on the path to making multi-billions practically overnight. The scientists involved would have their careers MADE for the rest of their lives. You can pretend that a company doesn't want to cure a disease because the treatment is more effective, but that belief completely falls apart when you remember that the root of all this science is people who spent 8+ years of their life getting a PhD studying how to make more effective treatments for disease.

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KickLassChewGum 4 days ago +25

The sooner these people _un_learn their mistaking cynicism for intellect the sooner we can start focusing on the actual f****** problems in this world.

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Telen 4 days ago +18

And however sociopathic the suits of the company are assumed to be, the employees absolutely want to develop a cure.

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laser50 4 days ago +11

Yep, it's a good business and the RNA based technology will probably be of good use here. All they really need is for a good virus to hit major headlines to generate enough actual interest for a vaccine like that. They probably could have done this earlier, but no one would have cared.

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Abi1i 3 days ago +1

The hantavirus is rare for humans to get, plus because we know how it spreads that it was and is still probably easier to tell people how to not catch it.

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laser50 3 days ago +1

Of course, but you need a market for sales. If the virus was never in the news like this, no one would have cared to hear about a vaccine either way. Now it's got people's attention and a vaccine may be more viable to create. I'm not expecting the virus to go anywhere,.and I certainly hope not. Lung damage vs lung shutdown sounds like a bad deal either way!

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Hym3n 3 days ago +1

I'm with you so, so very much. At the heart of it all is some truly amazing people, with nothing but great intentions. BUT. These are for-profit companies. The only thing that matters to the people in charge are the next quarter's profits, everything else be damned. So, unfortunately, it's important to remain skeptical.

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wintersdark 4 days ago +58

Kinda dumb take. There's and endless succession of new diseases. Being first to market with a new vaccine for a contagious illness with a 30%ish mortality rate will make *billions*. There will be another. And another. And another.

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4dxn 4 days ago +1

But cures are harder to make money. Sovaldi cured hep c. They priced it cheaper than the existing treatment which not only costed more and but also required retreatment. I believe the initial price Gilead wanted was almost half. People went crazy because it was "$1000 per pill for a few months". huge uproar......for something that would've save us money.

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technicallynotlying 1 day ago +1

Vaccines are really c**** and easy to produce. You can't really hold out a cure if some other company or country will release a $20 shot that prevents the disease.

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T-Husky 4 days ago +8

Ignorant comment upvoted by paranoid wingnuts.

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that-random-humanoid 3 days ago +6

Most medical conditions are caused by genetics and/or environmental/lifestyle factors that can take years to manifest. Very few things are actually "cureable". Bacterial and parasitic infections are relatively easy to cure because you need a compound that targets some crucial mechanism that the organisms use to live. Viruses are hard to cure because they are not alive, and highjack your own cells to make more viruses. That's why for most viruses the only thing you can do is support the patient and lessen symptoms. Antiretrovirals are a very new thing and only work for certain viruses. Other than that, yeah, the mainline defense is going to be giving a vaccine that will safely train your immune system to recognize the invader before it gets a strong foothold. Cancer does not have a one-size-fits-all cure because each cancer is unique as it is a mutation of your genome that your immune system failed to recognize, and stop before it caused symptoms. Each treatment is tailor made to the patient, and how their cancer responds to the treatment. It's amazing we are able to treat and cure any cancer at all! And gene therapies are incredibly new and expensive because they are tailor made to the patient and their genetics. We still do not fully understand the true scope and limitations of gene therapies, and most are experimental. If you don't want to accept the limitations of current medical science, you don't, but don't go bashing a science you do not understand.

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thekuroikenshi 4 days ago +82

Moderna’s main commercial products are vaccines. Let’s not pretend that vaccines are enormous money makers compared to other drugs in the market. Moderna was a key company in the fight against COVID with its mRNA vaccine and research. They f****** saved lives. I got my Moderna two shot vaccine during Covid and I’m happy as hell that it was available.

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RaisinWorried3528 4 days ago +3

Right? Us normals are on are gd own as usual.

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Apyan 4 days ago +1

That's late stage capitalism right here

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SomeGalNamedAshley 4 days ago +13

Doing God's work at the Devil's bidding.

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nonoimsomeoneelse 4 days ago +13

Moderna counts as big pharma? They were a startup in ~2018. I'm not pro big pharma, Moderna is a disruptor.

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Zealousideal-Bus4712 4 days ago +1

its in their best interest to keep people alive and on their meds.

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Luneriazz 2 days ago +1

Sounds like good bussiness.... Where i can invest?

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ukulele87 4 days ago +1

7 billion each paying 10 for the vaccine? Or 70 million paying 1000? Its all the same.

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rectoflector 4 days ago +219

We've seen this movie before. it's gonna be Facebook anarchy LOL

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NoMap749 4 days ago +28

Ivermectin may become the most sought after drug in the world for the next few weeks.

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Caesarea_G 4 days ago +7

Already, quacks-to-be are pushing ivermectin as a 'cure', and people are falling for it.

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rectoflector 4 days ago +3

Have you been to tractor supply lately? I've seen people buying it there as a dietary supplement. It's f****** scary

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jenglasser 4 days ago +3

Facebook is already anarchy.

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jsmith_92 3 days ago +1

Already seeing several posts like: “Don’t bother me with COVID Don’t bother me with Hantavirus Don’t bother me with SARS” Or my favorite “Arrest Fauci, Bill Gates, Obama and this all goes away.”

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toughtacos 3 days ago +1

I wish it was just a movie.

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spideyghetti 4 days ago +71

Did anyone else get choosy over Pfizer or Moderna back in COVID days? It felt like that meme with the guys on a balcony looking down on peasants below them if you got the right one.

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Happy-Gnome 4 days ago +32

I got Moderna and was thankful I got it over like Johnson and Johnson or Pfizer. Iirc you basically didn’t have a choice.

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PhysicallyTender 4 days ago +10

I was lucky to be stuck in Singapore at that time (probably one of the best places to be in during Covid), and got both Pfizer and Moderna as my shots.

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alotmorealots 4 days ago +2

I was stuck in Vietnam at the time, and all we got was Sinovax, plus it was compulsory, too. That said, I have few complaints about the way the Hanoi government handled the situation with the limited resources at their disposal. Quick closure of the border with China, rapid deployment of containment measures and trying their best to follow the science. HCMC residents, on the other hand, probably have less flattering things to say.

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Sunlightningsnow 4 days ago +5

In my country +50 years were given Moderna and younger the Pfizer I don't know why tbh.

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einimea 4 days ago +26

If I remember correctly, Moderna had a higher active ingredient dosage, so it was a stronger dose. Because of this, a more stronger immune response meant a slightly higher risk of myocarditis for young men under 30 than a lighter Pfizer

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Sunlightningsnow 4 days ago +2

Interesting. Thank you

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MoaraFig 3 days ago +1

Can confirm. I got a bit of an immune rash (get them sometimes with colds) from a Moderna booster. Got Pfizer as my next dose and was fine.

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vixxienz 4 days ago +5

we had Pfizer as the only choice for a long time. The Moderna one became available much later. Im in NZ

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krat0s77 4 days ago +2

I got 5 shots: AstraZeneca x2 (had a bad fever and chills after), Moderna x1 (light fever for 1 night), Pfizer x2 (by far the best, no side effects). I'm in Argentina btw. A lot of people got the Russian Sputnik at first because our incompetent gov at the time made a deal with them and it was the only one available. People that got that one said it was same as nothing, many got COVID after the shot meaning it didn't protect you at all.

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strangedell123 4 days ago +1

Idk, we got a lot of non Russian studies that came to the conclusion that sputnik was very effective. It wasnt Pfizer or moderna level but was north of astrozeneza and JJ

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MoaraFig 3 days ago +1

People got COVID after Modena, too. Less than 100% efficacy doesn't mean it didn't do anything.

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CassianCasius 4 days ago

My wife got super sick from moderna COVID vaccine. I was perfectly fine for the Pfizer one no issues

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Fookmaywedder 4 days ago +377

And all the maga idiots will say vaccines are fake news and left wing propaganda

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Complete-Sort1617 4 days ago +104

These ones won’t have microchips, they’ll have brain eating nano bots.

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noir_lord 4 days ago +89

So MAGA is safe then.

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Complete-Sort1617 4 days ago +24

*coughs up my drink*

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angryangrybeaver 4 days ago +3

The nanobots will starve!

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Rayd8630 4 days ago +5

So this is how we get the Borg.

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LuckyNumber04 4 days ago +5

LOL. Brain eating is right.

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GorgeWashington 4 days ago +19

MARBURG IS FAKE. I GAVE MYSELF MARBURG AND IM ONLY BLEEDING FROM MY EYEBALLS A LITTLE BIT. LIBERAL FAKE NEWS.

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IntentionDependent22 4 days ago +16

unfortunately, there's an equally deluded chunk of anti-science leftys (think: crystals, snake oil, vag stones, chiropractors, etc.) that discovered anti-vaxism organically as opposed to having it handed down from on high by the cult leader. It's a both sides issue, no joke.

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NATO_CAPITALIST 4 days ago +6

This comment is funny because right above you there's lefties suggesting this is just big pharma looking to barely make people alive so they can have long time customers lmfao The lefts obliviousness to their own conspiracy theorists will never not be hilarious

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cipheron 4 days ago +5

Just in case anyone was confused by Marjorie Taylor Greene making sense recently, she's started pushing Hantavirus and Ivermectin conspiracy theories. Also there's a Texas doctor Mary Talley Bowden, reported in the international press as saying Ivermectin is the cure, but when you Google her name it turns out she's direct marketing the stuff to patients in Texas. So, pure grifter who should lose her medical license. Not all the articles about her mention that she's literally selling the stuff, so the journalists are letting us down too.

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arazamatazguy 4 days ago +11

Anyone true MAGA will book a cruise on the same ship to show everyone its just the flu.

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Mrexzxxxxxx 4 days ago +2

Whilst they drink alcohol and smoke endless cigs

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Jiffyyy 4 days ago +6

I swear to god the amount of insane conspiracies about how the government are releasing these viruses to profit and force people to wear masks is just mind boggling. It’s like the concept of any health crisis don’t exist in this world and it’s all fake

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No_Method5989 4 days ago +3

They are never serious. They tried for a while to spread "viruses don't exist" They did the same moronic thing. "Tell me how virus meet the koch postulates, if you can't it doesn't exist durrrrr..." The Koch Postulate was created before we even discovered viruses, so of course you can't comply to that definition. They give the whole game away, they spend hours trying to find some weakness, but never spend any time trying to understand immune systems work or how viruses work. They know nothing about what they are talking about. They are just good at making it sound plausible if you are in the same position (not knowing how anything works). They keep running into the wall hoping one day they phase right through. I spent over 400 hours researching, and went at detailed as I could go, but as soon as a good working model in my head I realize it was huge waste of time. Even guys like Robert Malone can't give a convincing argument for their position. Those people absolutely know better. It's completely deceptive.

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Ze_Secret_Veapon 4 days ago +5

It's funny when you ask them "So, if you know this one is fake - what would be the difference if it was a real one?" Their brains goddamn break

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lonewolf210 4 days ago +3

I'm sure they will find a reason but kinda hard to deny its real while coughing up blood

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TheWeeWeeWrangler 4 days ago +12

They denied COVID on their literal deathbeds.

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windraver 4 days ago +3

My dad had COVID, passed out, barely survived, and still denies it.

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noir_lord 4 days ago +1

Shitting blood as well depending on specific species which makes it more or less likely. I’m not super worried about this one, the cruise ship angle and media reporting on the back of a pandemic makes for a good story (where good means clicks).

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redmongrel 4 days ago +2

While hantavirus won’t be the thing to do it, letting Trumpers expire by the thousands from their own willful ignorance would be self defense on a global scale.

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Rexxhunt 4 days ago +1

The more experimental the better. Sign me up. DNA, RNA, abc, 123 give me all the little goobies.

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Sandslinger_Eve 4 days ago +1

Well let's hope this is a real killer pandemic then...might be just what the planet and our species needs

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Synchrotr0n 4 days ago +1

Good luck for them when it comes to a disease that has a death rate which is two orders of magnitude higher than covid.

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fache 2 days ago +1

That’s fine. Hantavirus is not covid. If it ever became a pandemic (terrifying) you wouldn’t hear a whole lot from anti-vaxxers. Because they would be dead.

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DragonPup 4 days ago +1

That just means more vaccines for me.

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Complete-Sort1617 4 days ago +258

Oh *f**** – so big pharma is taking this seriously?

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ResidentNo11 4 days ago +273

They were doing this before the cruise ship outbreak. Presumably because of this particular species, but even for the ones that don't transmit human-to-human, there's clear reason to have vaccine options. That didn't require a cruise ship outbreak that hit the news.

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Wompatuckrule 4 days ago +91

There are other variants of hantavirus which, while not human-to-human, are endemic in the US and have about a 35% fatality rate. It's pretty easy to cross that vector as you can disturb a rodent's nest just cleaning up a garage or pulling firewood from the pile.

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tgames56 4 days ago +34

There have been 890 cases in the US since 1993 or 27 a year. While scary because of the mortality rate the infection rate is basically non existent. There is a reason most of us have never heard of it until now.

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Wompatuckrule 4 days ago +21

I had relatives in AZ and everyone where they lived were more than aware of both hantavirus and valley fever.

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SunsetHippo 4 days ago +3

could also be for a different market. I had heard (Though did not do research on) that argentina has a good number of Hantavirus cases.

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af_echad 4 days ago +1

Asia too has many more. I believe there are ~100k cases per year globally.

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SunsetHippo 4 days ago +1

Either way, they can either sell their produce there or license it out, or however it works

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Wompatuckrule 4 days ago +45

Not the human-to-human strain, but the hantavirus is endemic in the US, particularly in the southwest. Mice and small rodents get in everything and it's disturbing the nests that usually gets viral particles in the air to infect people. Something as simple as taking wood from a woodpile or cleaning up in an attic, basement or garage are common ways for people to get it. Given that prevalence and how it has about a 35% fatality rate developing a vaccine for this was not dependent on this cruise ship incident.

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noir_lord 4 days ago +82

They are taking the massive leap in share price seriously. A hantavirus vaccine would be valuable anyway, Hanta family viruses (Hantaviridae) are *everywhere* (note: not this ~~strain~~ species...)

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nicuramar 4 days ago +20

It’s a species, not a strain. The Andes virus.

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noir_lord 4 days ago +11

Valid point, updated.

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LuckyNumber04 4 days ago +5

I'd buy shares. Weren't they the first to get a covid vaccine to the pubic?

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noir_lord 4 days ago +18

Pfizer/BioNTech was first I think. There was only a week or two between them though.

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Wiseduck5 3 days ago +2

Astrazeneca was first by quite a bit.

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EdgarJomfru 4 days ago +15

I doubt there is any known fatal disease that isn't having a vaccine researched

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gormhornbori 4 days ago +11

First, Moderna isn't "big pharma", they are a 2018 startup, and a bit of a disruptor. That said the covid vaccine should have landed them a warchest for future vaccines. Second, this is a disease that's been on the watchlist of WHO. Because of the very high mortality and that human to human spread has "recently" been proven. This virus is a known danger among hikers in the Andes mountains. There is both a native population and well off tourists who would benefit. (Higher ability to pay or roll out vaccination programs than say most African diseases.) Also "early-stage" might just mean that they have identified that their RNA tech might work for this virus, but haven't spent any money on things like trials etc.

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lonewolf210 4 days ago -4

Big pharma sees a way to make short term gains

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Wompatuckrule 4 days ago +9

Nah, hantavirus is a significant problem in the US, particularly in the southwest. I would imagine that they're focusing more on those strains than the *Andes* strain which is the human-to-human one found in Argentina (and is somewhat difficult for it to spread between people).

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lonewolf210 4 days ago +3

O no it's a legit thing they are working on and a problem in the US. I was responding to the person posting saying they are taking this cruise ship thing seriously. They are working on the vaccine because it's real problem but this press release is entirely because they saw an easy pr win and short term way to boost stock price. That was the purpose of the press release but they have been working on the vaccine for a long time

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Notoriouslydishonest 4 days ago +17

By curing a deadly virus. Moderna creates a life-saving vaccine, we give them a giant pile of money, everybody wins.

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LuckyNumber04 4 days ago -6

Yea, they're telling people not to panic, but, contact tracing for this situation is a moot point. Some people got off the ship before they knew what was going on. They got on airplanes in close proximity to others, went back to their lives, etc. and the incubation period for hantavirus is a long time (several weeks). This strain known as the Andes Virus has been around, and has been deadly, for a long time, but viruses can mutate. This strain might have mutated and become even more transmissible, who knows. To me, it doesn't look good.

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Inevitable-Winter-64 4 days ago +3

Viruses do mutate rapidly, but there are still limits to the process. Hantavirus would need several substantial mutations to be viable as a pandemic-level threat. It lacks the transmissibility (especially during incubation) and array of symptoms that make Covid so virulent. Those mutations just aren't feasible at this point. Hantavirus is slow to replicate in comparison to Covid, and the population from which mutations can be produced is *much* smaller. It's not *impossible*, but it'd be like digging in your backyard and finding a treasure chest.

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LuckyNumber04 3 days ago +1

Thank you for the information. This made me feel a lot better. Hantavirus scares the s\*\*t out of me.

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Complete-Sort1617 4 days ago

Yeah, this one appears to be a more highly transmittable human-human strain which, should it mutate, would be way more f****** scary than the old world rodent-rodent h***** virus strain that’s predominantly in Africa. I’m also taking it very seriously.

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MedicineGirl125 4 days ago +12

>h***** virus strain Are you sure that one is from Africa and not Asia?

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Complete-Sort1617 4 days ago +6

Shit my predictive text is betraying me

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Wompatuckrule 4 days ago +4

>this one appears to be a more highly transmittable human-human strain Where are you getting that from? I haven't seen anything that indicates that it's outside of what they know of existing strains where spreading between humans requires close contact for extended times and/or in enclosed smaller spaces. Two of the people who died were a couple so even if only one caught it from an animal source it had high odds of spreading to the other person.

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Hannhfknfalcon 4 days ago +51

Hantavirus was a legitimate everyday threat where I grew up. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very pro-science, and pro-vaccine, and certainly don’t want people to die from this, but they sure didn’t give a shit about people on reservations…

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Tokey_Tokey 3 days ago +13

Theyre not doing it for poor people.

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-TheExtraMile- 4 days ago +74

Alright, let´s say this one spreads. This virus is a lethal m***********. So let all the MAGAs and the like around the globe refuse the vaccine for whatever weird reason they choose. This won´t be like covid, let's be clear about that. And I do hope that this will not spread, but if it does then people will be dropping like flies. Here is the thing. We don´t really know at what point it starts to spread, the current consensus (spreads only after people show symptoms) is not at all sure. We might be facing turbo killer covid and this one will be serious. And I really, really do hope that this won´t happen but we should all be prepared.

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instasquid 4 days ago +30

Covid was really bad in that it killed a lot of people, but not REALLY REALLY BAD because kids were largely unaffected and it was mostly elderly and comorbid people dying. If you get a disease that's deadlier and have kids dying on the news you'll have less people handwaving the risk away easily.

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jenglasser 4 days ago +7

I no longer have this much faith in humanity.

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Sallad3 4 days ago +57

AFAIK it's not very good at spreading. There was 147 people aboard and only 13 infected. Multiple people sharing the room with people infected who was not affected at all. It's a scary disease to be sure but very unlikely to cause a major outbreak. https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2026-DON599

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a_duck_in_past_life 4 days ago +28

We don't know how good it is at spreading until the incubation period is up for the people originally exposed. There could be 30 more that have it but we just don't know yet. Hopefully you're right. But even if it's just the 13 that got infected, that's still 8% of the 147.

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Complexology 4 days ago +13

Still10ish days until the incubation period is up for everyone exposed to the first patient.

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iforgotmyuserr 4 days ago +6

He died on April 11th, so he could have been contagious until then. The full incubation period for the first case would be 8 weeks after that, which isn’t until June 6th.

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Complexology 4 days ago +5

8 weeks is generous. Im pretty sure the longest incubation for this actual strain was 45days but in the last outbreak it was 40 days max.

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iforgotmyuserr 4 days ago +6

All of the official sources I’ve read have said up to 8 weeks. That’s probably rare but I’d still rather be safe than sorry when we’re dealing with another potential pandemic.

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DryHovercraft9662 4 days ago +14

the transmission rates are way too low for it to be anything pandemic-like

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moschles 3 days ago +2

Nobody is gambling on this. Spanish authorities have already quarantined the entire boat and its crew. European governments are sending "special" planes to pick up their nationals.

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windraver 4 days ago +4

Until it evolves an airborne transmission attribute.

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DryHovercraft9662 4 days ago +8

It could have evolved that anytime over the past however-many decades. The chances of it happening now, when it didn't for so long, are extremely low.

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windraver 4 days ago +10

Viral evolutions I think occur quite quickly. It's not normally decades like animals. It's why the coronavirus has so many strains and same with the flu. That said, I was also referring to the plague inc game where once you earn enough points, you can evolve a transmission trait. Or sometimes they randomly serve evolve. Game Reference: https://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc Viral evolution speed reference https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4984659/

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DryHovercraft9662 4 days ago +3

Oh my bad, I missed the reference. I always went for all 5 airborne + waterborne transmission as my first picks whenever I played, so I never got that mutation.

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windraver 4 days ago +2

Yea, once I got fatal mutations before I could get transmission up which got me caught before I could infect enough people and they immediately started researching the cure so I didn't make it before I got shutdown. Transmission mutations seem rare.

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a_duck_in_past_life 4 days ago +12

That's not how evolution works.

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iforgotmyuserr 4 days ago +2

So far it has only spread in pockets through small rural towns. If it starts spreading through cities, it’ll have a lot more opportunities to mutate

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Only--East 4 days ago +2

Sure, but not all viruses are easy to mutate, and as it is it is not easy to spread and hitting the j****** for that sustained spread is a very, very difficult j****** to hit especially considering the contagious window and how quick it kills after that. It has several mutations it would need to make to be able to sustain a large outbreak.

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Grabbityy 4 days ago +2

True, if it’s unlucky it’ll randomly evolve to organ failure and it could kill transmission ability or WHO will double effort.

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uniquefishthrowaway 3 days ago +1

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melkipersr 4 days ago +7

Blocked by the paywall — mRNA?

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Weshtonio 3 days ago +3

It is, yes.

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zorionek0 4 days ago +6

MrNA vaccines are a big leap forward in terms of quickly creating new vaccines.

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Pleasant_Pen8744 1 day ago +1

I've only ever seen that written mRNA

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scubawankenobi 3 days ago +5

Meanwhile, MAGA: 1. Pre-refuse to ever take the vaccine 2. Inviting their friends w/kids over to "Hantavirus Parties" in order to acquire immunity the \*natural\* way

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Skele_again 4 days ago +6

Quick pop the blue bubble! Slow down cure research!!!

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space_prostitute 4 days ago +5

RFK Jr. will ban it, guaranteed.

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knittingcatmafia 4 days ago +5

Whether it’s this virus or another one - I would absolutely love to see how long the anti-vaxx crowd holds out if a virus with 35% mortality rate starts making rounds the same way Covid did

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sfogler 3 days ago +1

The dumb will refuse. The grifters will flip so fast or do it undercover lol.

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FinancialSpite 4 days ago +3

We’re at the point where a new outbreak happens and vaccine stocks jump before most people even process the headline

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Ltsmash99 4 days ago +15

Oh boy. The stupids are going to lose their shit.

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cheeeze50 4 days ago +5

I've seen shit Facebook posts saying the virus has been created recently in a laboratory when it's been known and studied for f****** decades. They're already whining about the next shutdown and everything

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DavidC_M 3 days ago +3

Oh here come the “how do they have a vaccine for it??? THEY MADE THE VIRUS!” crowd of Trump voters.

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mihran146 4 days ago +5

Can’t wait until the government to screw over Moderna again

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Xpuffin 4 days ago +2

Went from "not worried about the hantavirus" to "let me stock up on TP and upgrade my pc for some serious gaming" in one headline.

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kqlx 4 days ago +2

dont let rfk find out about this

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cr0wstuf 3 days ago +2

Getting ahead of it before Trump makes it worse. Good job.

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_GD5_ 3 days ago +2

We’ve had hantavirus vaccines for over 35 years. Adapting those vaccines to modern technology will be simpler than starting from scratch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus_vaccine

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RebelliousInNature 4 days ago +4

Why does it feel we’re quite aware of the snowglobe we’re living in now? They just seem to come along shake it up and see where the money falls.

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luisa65-L 4 days ago +2

Nothing pumps a pharmaceutical stock quite like a floating petri dish and the vague promise of 'early-stage research'.

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Known_Paramedic_9503 4 days ago +2

They said it will be years before they have one

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RealisticEntity 4 days ago +2

Getting ready for the next potential pandemic. Which is definitely not a bad thing. The lessons from covid must not be ignored.

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r2002 4 days ago +2

Hello darkness my old friend...

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slamdanceswithwolves 4 days ago +3

I would love if they repurpose the ‘Wanta-Fanta?’ ad campaign with a slight tweak to sell this vaccine

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LuckyNumber04 4 days ago +4

"WANNA-HANTA!! DON'T YOU WANNA?" No. No I definitely don't. Gimme the vaccine please.

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swagonflyyyy 4 days ago +1

Yeah...I'll take the vaccine when it comes out but I don't think I'll be signing up for the vaccine trial this time.

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RaverPharmacist 3 days ago +2

People in the vaccine trials were not exposed to Covid, if that is your concern. Half were given placebo, half were given the vaccine, and then they were all told just to live however they had been previously living. They then tracked how many of them caught Covid through exposure in their community.

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swagonflyyyy 3 days ago +1

No, I'm saying I'm not pushing my luck this time. The vaccine worked for me perfectly fine during the trials when I got both shots instead of placebo but this time I'm going to wait until the hantavirus vaccine officially rolls out instead of signing up for another trial.

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aedisaegypti 4 days ago +1

I need this vaccine-family hoards

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TotalBojangles 4 days ago +1

Do you have any more sources about this? Lots of people on this post are responding without a ton of info.

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cxmmxc 4 days ago +1

Oh boy, 12%? Big deal about the human lives saved, think of the money!

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flybyme03 4 days ago +1

conspiracy theorists celebrate

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ButterscotchLow2827 3 days ago +1

This is the point in time where we find out Trump voters are just as dumb as they were last time. If there was ever any doubt.

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Consistent-Menu-6629 2 days ago +1

It's not lost on me that they only cared enough to bother after it impacted the west.

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Idiot_Savant_13 4 days ago

Moderna has every reason to lie, & there is no penalty to them for doing so. Always question what a corporation says.

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ulchachan 4 days ago +6

Lie in what way? [Hantavirus has been on the rise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_climate_change_on_hantavirus), likely due to reduced cold weather in the endemic regions so it makes sense a corporation would want to make money out of that

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VeryluckyorNot 4 days ago +1

I don't know how many was the Covid shot, but it gonna cost the same or more.

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svh01973 4 days ago +1

Well I guess we know where the outbreak came from now

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camilahors 4 days ago +1

Nothing says "timely innovation" like a cruise ship outbreak.

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mikeinanaheim2 4 days ago +1

Just watch; that numpster who eats roadkill, drinks raw milk and wears blue jeans to the gym will do his best to derail a hantavirus vaccine. Witness how he's handled childhood measles vaccines for a hint. Also discouraged MRNA vaccines which have real potential for uses in addition to covid that an activist politician is not qualified to judge.

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paulsteinway 4 days ago +1

Time to whip up some antivax propaganda that it will make your balls fall off.

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Moderna announces early-stage hantavirus vaccine research amid deadly cruise ship outbreak, shares jump 12%

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