More Europeans see US as threat than China

And his grandparents, all of them in fact.

Well that’s exactly why he treats Europe like he treats his wives — disposable and replaceable

Only the majority

And the children he raped

The ones he cheated on and divorced? Maybe that's why he hates Europe lol.

Bought from via Epstein.

You forget him supporting Russia and Hungary 

You also overlooked the policy of destabilising liberal or socialist democracies in Europe by overtly and publicly supporting far right parties. That, to me, felt like a declaration of war. Stay the f*** out of our affairs.

He also accuses Canada of doing everything Israel is actually doing Claims that the us has to spend so much on his army to protect Canada ….. Canada isn’t under attack by anyone meaning no us soldiers are risking their lives for us or fighting battles on our behalf It doesn’t cost trillions of dollars to simply not invade us We also aren’t getting checks from the US to prop up our economy Take a guess on who is doing those things

Also backing clear anti democratic leaders in Europe

His supporters aren't just inbred hicks. 1/3 of the USA actively supports him. That is people from everywhere. 1/3 were given the choice to vote against this happening or stay home doing nothing. They chose the latter. That is at least 100 million people right there. They aren't all inbred hicks. They are normal every day people supporting this.

Yea, China isn't the friend of the EU, but at least it's consistent in the stuff they do. You know they try to spy, and you know they will reverse engineer stuff you sell to them, but at least they're reliable in the fact that they want trade and are averse to massive wars. The US government can have a good talk with you one day and say they'll bomb you the very next one.

I really hate it, although I do like making fun of our North American cousins there is no denying that our cultures are intertwined and benefit from each other. We are massive trade partners and have helped each other militarily for over 80 years. It is such a shame that our relationship has come to this.

His official security policy states they will weaken the EU.

"him"? Why just a singular person. Trump doesnt exist in a vacuum. Hes got millions of supporters.

Yeah but americans also voted for him, twice. They don't get nearly as much shit as they deserve.

Or threat to abduct the Pope, or prop the most pro Putin asset in Hungary

Trump sees Europe as an adversary. There is no mystery. He has also told his cult that everyone else in the world is the enemy, and only he can protect them. He has been relentless with his attacks on Europe (and everyone TBH), and if you read MAGA adjacent message boards now, you see incredible anti-European sentiment

>Since not a single American is willing to stop Trump I mean, there were a couple, but they missed.

At this point you'd have to convince me the war with Iran is NOT intended as a economic strike against the EU.

> European countries (NATO countries) spent 20 years in Afghanistan because USA requested it. Adding to that: Denmark lost more soldiers per capita than the US. That darn ungrateful ally Trump is currently threatening to annex 98% of!

I suspect it’s not just Trump. If you consider the US’ long-term strategy from a ruthless, nationalistic perspective, it’s against their interests to allow a unified Europe. Europe United would be a peer of the US and a potential rival if relations soured. Divided, America can dominate every individual country in Europe. Even under a Democratic president I suspect people of the state department have contingencies for this 

> USA is actively working to destroy Europe snd they are not keeping it a secret. That shit's been obvious for years.

Bewildering, really

The only mystery is how white people considered us Chinese a threat considering we haven't invaded anyone in half a century. White people see us as a threat because we have the potential to block their continued imperialism while they see the current US as hindering their potential for imperialism.

Was about to say, at least you can do business with China and know they'll hold their part of the deal.

You also think global warming is a hoax, and being the strongest economy in the world that's an existential threat to the rest of the world. China on the other hand wants us to buy as many of their EVs and solar panels as possible, and they are making them very c**** to achieve that goal. What's good for China's economy is beneficial for us at this stage.

We (Europeans) did not forget

We haven't forgotten. -Canada

naw, only americans forget that

Obviously. North Korea has never been a serious threat to anyone other than South Korea.

North Korea got beef only with the US they don't care about anyone else Edit: apart from its regional neighbours south korea, Japan etc

Becausr unlike Trump, China knows soft power is way more powerful.

USA has always been dangerous and crazy. They've invaded over 30 sovereign nations since the end of WW2. People are just finally starting to notice.

Ok but they were a c*** before Trump , don't forget Obama killed more than two bushes combined and end up with a peace prize , and official one not the bootleg . BUT he seemed reasonable and someone who could talk his bar was also high for American standards as he isn't on pdf files

Not just under Trump. The US funded Brexit and many of the far right parties in Europe. We’ve joined their wars and paid for it in blood, both on the battlefield and at home.

China also doesn't talk about wanting us to change anything because of political ideology. MAGA wants Europe to change to MAGA, to become more cruel, to stop transpeople from being who they are, to stop abortions and so on. Those things are FAR more important to USA than China... who really doesn't seem to give a f*** about those. US is not attacking Europe because of economy, or military, or any other reason but... the MAGA values. We are too woke for current US govermnent and the voters that got them in that position. USA would give Europe a trillion dollars if we stopped abortion. Now, China does want us to change but it is not forced. They will pressure to allow more privileges, Chinese nationalistic hegemony demands that they are seen as the top dog, who allows us to remain independent... for now. They very much are on a world conquest storyline, this one just takes centuries, not months like MAGA dreams: All of those selfish assholes want to see the change happen in their lifetimes so they can take all the credit, and see it with their own eyes that they won.

When was the last time China tanked the global economy because they wanted to play tough guy abroad.

Also only one nation on earth has ever actually used a nuclear weapon against another nation and it wasn’t f****** China

> And when was the last time the US did exactly that? literally yesterday. the sundown orange is back to his Greenland ramblings.

Thats wrong. We had good deals. But apparently americans thought that having entirely incompetent and greedy people in government is better than half-incompetent people with at least basic understanding of international relations.

>US likes money - you make deal with them, they are you "ally" You make a deal with them, and they'll break it soon after.

one of our biggest spats with China was cause by helping the usa (detaining the ceo of hawei)... who then went on to get bored with the whole thing and just.... walked away from the mess they created. They didn't even attempt to placate China or smooth over the political row they caused between us. With "allies" like that who needs enemies.

China is a menace to its surrounding countries, but to me as a European they are the opposite of a threat. They provide us with c**** solar panels and EVs, exactly what we need for the green transition. On the flip side, the U.S. is threatening us, and there is a possibility we will have to fight them at some point.

"Do nothing, win" is a surprisingly effective policy under Trump.

Would? Europa is already turning to China as a result of US warmongering.

The fact that you find this funny and it's all a joke to you is another reason we kinda hate the US at the moment. To you Americans all of this is just a gameshow on the TV.

\- directly supporting russia who is running a war in europe, china is not neutral but supporting russia, over 1 million people are already dead and this war is not far from me, If china wanted this war would be over or at least much harder for russia. \- active constant cyper attacks on europe and his companies directly supported by the chinese goverment, look it up -> its insane (yes other countries do that too but china is a big player and so a bigger thread than maybe north korea) \- possible attack on taiwan in the next years, i know its a very complicated topic but besides the "one china" there are economic reasons -> taiwan produces many chips and electronic devices, if that falls into chinas hands not only the prices will go up but you cant trust these products anymore (backdoors) \- behaviour in the south chinise sea (not a direct threat to europe but to a fair and peaceful world) \- buying european companys while protecting from the reverse in china -> yes this point is a bit unfair because europe and the usa are doing the same and had been doing that very much in the past but still a thread That all said: i think the USA is a MUCH bigger thread to europe than china. With china you can at least hope to build a peaceful level on which both sides can work without killing each other. And i dont want to blame china, its just a list of things because you ask. I am completely aware that europe is not a innocent victim (esp. in the past).

> As a Chinese it’s so mind boggling to think why Europe see us as a threat in the first place. The reality is that we Europeans haven't really focused that much on China. I assume that is also true for most Chinese people when it comes to Europe. The starting point for current relations was inherited from the Cold War era, which wasn't really that long ago. That was a terrifying time for Western Europe, and a horrible time for Eastern Europe. Mao opposed Khrushchev's ideas of a peaceful coexistence with the West, and wanted to continue with the hard line of Stalin. After the Cold War, ideas of freedom and democracy got a major boost, but that was somewhat rejected by China. China has a habit of pragmatically siding with countries that treat their own citizens poorly, like North Korea or Iran. These days it is also keeping Russia's war against Ukraine alive by siding with Russia. None of this helps its image in Europe, but I wouldn't say it is seen as a threat. I think we in the West might be going through a Sino-Soviet split moment. It is completely unclear right now who will align with who. One scenario that could play out: Trump's anti-democratic shift in the US might trigger a breakup of the transatlantic alliance similar to how Khrushchev's de-Stalinization in 1960 triggered the breakup of China and the Soviets. If it continues down this path (Greenland etc.), Europe will increasingly fear the US, just like China feared the Soviet Union. Europe will pivot to China, much like China pivoted to the US. The likely w***** in such a scenario is China.

I'm a New Zealnder. We have a stable relationship with China. You arent perfect but neither are we. We can discuss our differences.

China attempted to close down the last blast furnace in the UK capable or making high grade steel suitable for military use. When they were told to stop their attempts to do this, they went ahead anyway. The British government had to seize the plant and nationalise the company to prevent Britain from having another foreign dependency relating to national security. Just to give one example of many. China is a hostile world power seeking to limit Britain's ability to defend itself and project force. It achieves this insidiously and slowly, with the clear goal of being the dominant world power. It is, however, currently less dangerous than America, where I have to check if Trump decided to nuke Mecca to show the Pope who the real boss every morning.

There are examples of China using its market trade control to punish countries in diplomatic manners. Nobel price stands out yet again. But nothing like todays usa

You seem optimistic that there will be a next Democrat administration.