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Araminal 1 day ago +127

It's not called murder when a government does it.

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QiTriX 1 day ago +59

It's not called murder when ~~a government does it~~ billionaires do it.

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago +19

Extrajudicial killing

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defroach84 1 day ago +59

Ok. Good luck shouting into the void.

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johnnyringo1985 1 day ago +54

What are “organizations”? Thats like 3-4 attorneys filling out paperwork over a 3 day weekend and $8,000. How utterly meaningless and **not at all news**.

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Fromundacheese0 20 hr ago +2

Welcome to Listnook

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TV-Tommy 1 day ago +15

I blew up this boat filled with cocaine. Where's your evidence? I blew it up! Look at all the happy fish in the area. Good job, loyal patriot!

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Individual_Rip_54 17 hr ago +3

“Look at the happy fish” is stronger evidence than we have actually received. They don’t care enough about us to lie to us.

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Intrepid-Ad2873 1 day ago +11

Hahaha good try

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rkmkthe6th 1 day ago +2

But not an end to the killings?

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TheSleepyTruth 1 day ago +2

Oh ok. So what are they going to do about it?

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BoethiusRS 1 day ago +19

I appreciate the feeling that there is powerlessness in these issues. But, talking to my USA friends there is such a capitulation to accepting what is happening in their country. I find as a European completely unfathomable. Someone has to fight back somewhere.

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WhoIsFrancisPuziene 21 hr ago +1

It’s not mere capitulation. It’s not knowing what to do, particularly that which would be successful to any degree. If you know, then please share!

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BoethiusRS 16 hr ago +1

Ask the French. The British got rid of a prime minister for lying about attending a party.

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No_Start1522 1 day ago -29

People have no sympathy for criminals.

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wintersdark 1 day ago +22

Many of the boats hit where not, in fact, criminals. And "criminal" is pretty f****** broad when you're talking about missile strikes on boats and thus what you feel is deserving of death. These "people" you're referring to are incredibly shitty people.

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Murky-Willingness999 1 day ago +24

They would have had to have had a trial before you could make that determination

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Stringerbe11 1 day ago -30

This is fighting back against these drug runners. Turn it up!

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wintersdark 1 day ago +24

"These drug runners" - except there's no evidence whatsoever they are drug runners. If there was evidence, they could simply be arrested and tried. You know, rather than just being executed on Some Guy's say so. When you allow your government to accuse and execute people without recourse or accountability, that's only ever going to lead to very dark places.

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CrashCalamity 1 day ago +4

Don't engage, just block and ignore.

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Stringerbe11 1 day ago -31

You’re right it is leading to dark places, like the bottom of the ocean. Good riddance drug runners!

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doniew 1 day ago +3

The irony of your username

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mrice243 1 day ago +1

120 organizations? What organizations?

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justletmesignupalre 1 day ago +9

You can click under the title and it will take you to a news article

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Acsnook-007 1 day ago -6

The International Association of Drug Dealers (IADD) certainly objects.

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terrorrier 1 day ago +3

The people making these decisions literally love drugs so idk if I believe them when they say it’s about that.

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Some-Band2225 1 day ago +33

The United States justice department shouldn’t be using the military to bomb fishermen or suspected drug dealers. The argument over whether they’re fishermen or drug dealers is missing the point.

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ChillFratBro 1 day ago +1

The US has been very comfortable blowing up "enemy combatants" in the Middle East for well over 20 years at this point under presidents of both parties. Blowing up a suspected terrorist in Syria or Afghanistan isn't that much different from blowing up a drug smuggler in international waters. You may have a problem with drone strikes in all cases - and that's an internally consistent position, but Obama was the champ at those. Most Americans don't mind the drone strikes against non-state entities attacking the US. The primary difference between the cartels and Al Qaeda is that the cartels have killed **a lot** more Americans. It's super fair to doubt if the Trump administration is telling the truth about who was on those boats because they lie about everything else - but for most people the point actually *is* whether they were drug runners or not.

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Some-Band2225 1 day ago +10

They are very much not the same thing. Attacking an enemy combatant in a country occupied by your forces is not the same thing as attacking a neutral vessel crewed by citizens of a friendly nation in international waters. I’m not sure how you could even think those are remotely similar, they’re just not.

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ChillFratBro 1 day ago +4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_drone_strikes_in_Pakistan It's not like we've only done drone strikes in unfriendly countries, and some of those we've blown up in drone strikes are citizens of friendly countries - hell, the US has targeted **its own citizens** in drone strikes [1]. Again, I'm not telling you you have to like it, I'm telling you that any attempt to pretend like it's somehow totally different is transparent rationalization. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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light_to_shaddow 1 day ago +3

The Police can use chemical weapons, like tear gas, if the military used them that would be a war crime and likely lead to the nasty shit being used. Likewise killing criminals as policy is extra judicial and illegal. Criminals have the right to be tried. Lots of people die from medical insurance companies withholding treatment, are we saying it's ok to kill the CEOs? Lots of Americans died due to Trumps handling of COVID, how do you want to deal with that? Lots of people died from the lies about WMDs in Iraq. Does Bush get a knock on the door? These rules are in place to protect soldiers (Our soldiers and theirs.), and more broadly the society we live in. There are places that don't hold to these values which I think we all recognise as bad places to live. I have a hard time understanding how we've come to this point, that acting like the bad guys isn't recognised as bad for us.

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backcountrykicks228 1 day ago +6

Plenty of fishermen drive speed boats with 6 outboard engines at 60mph. Those blue sealed cargo drums with a tarp over them are... the days catch of fish! Definitely not drugs!

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Acsnook-007 1 day ago -19

You're assuming there's absolutely no intelligence before they go and decide to blow up a boat with people on it... they know who's on the boat and exactly what they're doing.

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Consistent-Study-287 1 day ago +10

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/apr/21/ecuador-us-boat-strike-survivors So they purposefully blew up this fishing boat because.....??

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BoethiusRS 1 day ago +11

With this administration I am certainly not assuming any intelligence and as for knowing exactly what they are doing……… laughable.

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wintersdark 1 day ago +16

If they know they are drug runners, arrest and try them. They don't even know *who* is on each boat, let alone what they're doing. And all you have to this is some vague "because we say so" as there is zero proof and zero accountability.

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Totoques22 1 day ago -15

You’re a clueless clown and these drug dealers know and are ready to drop off all the drug at the bottom of the sea if they get caught Bombing them immediately is immoral but it’s also the only things that works

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Magnetronaap 1 day ago +4

With the North American regime the lack of intelligence is, indeed, implied.

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CanadasNeighbor 1 day ago

Literally no one in trumps administration knows wtf they're doing.

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Acsnook-007 1 day ago +1

Downvotes by people we've never even served in this capacity and have no idea what their even talking about.. LOFL!! 🤡🤡

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Heavyweighsthecrown 1 day ago +1

aka the US

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Crypto-TTMAB-264 1 day ago +2

What a waste of time the US does whatever it wants and can kill who ever it wants to kill and nobody will do anything about it.

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iaymnu 1 day ago +1

“120 organizations”. That’s so vague. I guess there are none that are noteworthy to be named of these are all shell companies.

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Totoques22 1 day ago -5

>The coalition, which includes human rights groups, humanitarian organizations, *drug policy advocates*, and veterans’ groups lol >Recent reports identify several nations that continue to provide critical support. The Dominican Republic has confirmed its cooperation, assisting in the location of vessels and granting the United States expanded access to its air bases. Trinidad and Tobago has also increased its assistance, including the installation of a new U.S. radar system and allowing the transit of military aircraft. Furthermore, the newly formed Shield of the Americas coalition brings together 17 states, including Argentina, Costa Rica, and Paraguay, in a U.S.-led effort to coordinate military pressure against the cartels — a move that critics fear will further institutionalize these extrajudicial killings. Im sure those humanitarian groups and drug dealers advocate know better than the countries ran over by cartels

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ZwiebelLegende 1 day ago

Will this be prosecuted after the Trump administration?

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WKZ204 1 day ago -5

Let's face it. These sorts of demands only carry weight when the USA is backing and enforcing them.

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PercentageQuirky2939 1 day ago -1

Murder is Murder.

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Veteran_PA-C 1 day ago -10

Can they stop sending the drug boats? Seems like that’s the quickest way to solve the problem. No targets means no one gets hurt.

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago +3

Hear me out, we can stop doing drugs. They are just selling what we are buying.

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Veteran_PA-C 1 day ago -2

I’m doing my part. Haven’t done any illegal drive in over 40 years. And then it was stiff grown in the USA that didn’t need to be smuggled in.

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago +1

Drugs are drugs and cannabis is a drug. The point is that our society creates a lot of pressure. People look for ways to reduce it. Drugs and alcohol are their choices. If they aren't hurting anyone, who cares? If they are, then we know they need help. We just criminalize everything rather than understanding the problem. I blame it on the fricking christians and their BS purity tests. Drug dealers are just salesmen. They aren't good salesmen. If drugs weren't illegal they wouldn't have that as a product.

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Veteran_PA-C 1 day ago -2

I did my part. Go harass the people doing drugs. You work on the demand side, the military will continue to work on the supply side. I’ll just sit here and wait to see who gets more done.

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago

Hey brother. I fought in GWOT. I wasn't a REMF. I suggest you rethink your attitude. Military isn't police. We aren't at war with traffickers. Stay in your lane.

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Veteran_PA-C 1 day ago +1

They’ve been at war with us. When you’re CINC, you can make the strategic policy. And let’s not get into a micturition contest. I also have a lot of time outside the wire and not on FOBs.

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago +1

Who has been at war with us? Drug traffickers, those are not a governmental authority.

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Veteran_PA-C 1 day ago +2

• 2013: 3,105 deaths (start of the sharp rise due to smuggled illicit fentanyl) • 2016: 19,413 deaths (synthetic opioids other than methadone) • 2017: 28,466 deaths (synthetic opioids other than methadone) • 2019: 36,359 deaths • 2021: ~70,600 deaths (synthetic opioids other than methadone; primarily fentanyl) • 2022: ~73,810 deaths (record high; calculated from 2023 being 1.4% lower) • 2023: 72,776 deaths (final data) • 2024: ~48,422 deaths (provisional/estimated from CDC reports; significant decline from prior years)

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Stringerbe11 1 day ago +1

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InitialEducational17 1 day ago +2

And? Are you saying that people aren't responsible for themselves? In the same way you're doing that I could list guns, alcohol and several other things. Maybe if we fix the problems in our society instead of criminalizing everything we wouldn't have these problems. But either way who's at war with us? What governmental agency is sending drugs into our country to ruin us? Please elucidate

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