he is into incest .....doesnt get more conservative than that
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pfamsd002 days ago
+28
I love that word
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Basicly-Inevitable2 days ago
+12
Cute is definitely a good word.
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bb_kelly771 day ago
+8
What exactly is it conserving? Because historically the conservatives believed in conserving the constitution
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Longjumping-Air14891 day ago
+12
“Conservatives” haven’t been interested in conserving the constitution since they interfered with the Vietnam peace talks in order to get their preferred candidate elected president.
Not very constitutional. But then, neither was interfering with the Iran hostage situation, Iran Contra, the S&L debacle, the Iraq War, etc etc.
Now go ahead and do the what about instead of addressing the issue raised.
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lilacintheshade12 hr ago
+3
I'd say it goes back farther than that. Segregationists were conservatives. Secessionists were conservatives. Loyalists were conservatives. Not all conservatives have historically been these things, but 'states rights,' 'fiscal responsibility,' (and my favorite) 'personal freedom' were cover and pretense both against the criticism of progressives *and* to provide less sociopathic conservatives shelter from guilt.
Conservatives conserve hierarchy.
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bb_kelly771 day ago
-3
I was just arguing your usage of apotheosis, it can't be the height of conservatism if it's evolved into something different, it's the apotheosis of something else then
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playalovesong1 day ago
+22
The first conservatists in France were about going back to the monarchy.
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bb_kelly771 day ago
-5
I'm talking about America for very obvious reasons
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PickleRickleTV1 day ago
+25
Going back to the monarchy
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Admirable-Eagle-2311 day ago
+3
Exactly, many colonists were still loyal to the monarchy. They didn’t all leave they endured on their own, now their political descendants are rolling coal on everyone they can..
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Imperialbucket1 day ago
+6
The hegemony of the rich.
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Bubbly_Style_84671 day ago
+5
Not this bunch. And they recklessly blow through our treasury. They like those little words referring to themselves but in truth, they are gullible at the least.
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SpaceForceAwakens1 day ago
+3
No. Not the whole things. Just the second amendment. They hate pretty much all of the rest of it.
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polarparadoxical7 hr ago
+1
The 1%'s status quo by cosplaying as if they are trying to conserve an individuals status quo.
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fredjutsu2 days ago
-1
MAGA is just anti-immigrant nationalist populism, which is not incompatible with say a communist regime.
Trump is a performative, TV conservative, precisely why he's never beaten the charge of RINO that's been leveled at him by establishment GOP from day one.
The apotheosis of American conservatism is really our white supremacy governance framework, which is something that both parties share.
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ASZapata1 day ago
+3
Not a single aspect of Trump’s populism is compatible with communism in any way.
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EnvironmentalRock8271 day ago
+1
I get vómitos watching the show.
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DemandredG2 days ago
+192
This is more of the “conservatism can never fail, only be failed” bullshit. Conservatives supported this guy in droves, they said “yep this is what we want” and this is the result of conservatism. They don’t get to disclaim it now that it’s all (predictably) turning to shit.
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Charlie_Warlie2 days ago
+82
the entire GOP had the perfect off-ramp on January 7th 2021.
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EyesofaJackal1 day ago
+13
And Moscow Mitch unilaterally decided we need more of this
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True_Window_93891 day ago
+15
Republicans have never been conservative, at least in our lifetimes. They’re social traditionalists and corporatists. When in power, they grow government for the benefit of the wealthy and detriment of everyone else; while out of power, they obstruct for the same reason. There’s nothing conservative. They don’t conserve anything. There’s no small government or efficiency with them.
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KtaadnRota2 days ago
+23
It's definitely not conservatism though. In America we've been misusing the term for generations. Conservatism is about trusting in long-standing norms and institutions. Only the mainstream democrats embody that sentiment in the USA.
American "conservatives", *especially* MAGA, are determined to tear down our long standing norms and institutions in order to replace them with *their* vision for how the country ought to be governed. It's fundamentally a radical movement, not a conservative one.
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GildedDreams252 days ago
+24
they’re radical regressives. simple as
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bb_kelly771 day ago
+8
This guy linguists
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kms25471 day ago
+3
>Conservatism is about trusting in long-standing norms and institutions.
Conservatism is about maintaining social hierarchies, with the pretense that those hierarchies are the long-standing norms and institutions we must trust.
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Unlikely_March_51732 days ago
+2
All kinds of unconstitutional c*** coming out of the SC was just fine for years! The downslide with Bush v Gore and then tfg’s three pretties. Those “never Trumpers” got their abortion ban and reasonable firearms regulation destroyed. Fine with that.
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spacexghost1 day ago
+2
It is an abject failure by the Democrats to have exceptionalized Trump rather than tie the Republican Party to him.
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CjKing2k2 days ago
+60
There's nothing conservative about Conservatives.
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Princekyle72 days ago
+25
I was raised on the belief that conservative values were limited government oversight and power the the American people. I have not seen this from the "conservative" party for some time.
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xxyourbestbetxx2 days ago
+7
Trump is the end result of decades of "conservative" policies- dog whistles and all. Morning Joe is just chirping because he never got over Trump exposing his affair and insulting his partner. Oh and the whole thing where the Trumpies tried to imply Morning Joe killed a girl. He had no problems with Trump's brand of conservatism when he was helping him into the WH in 2016.
Now if he wants to admit that it's been a crock all along and Republicans never believed in the stuff they campaign on that's a different topic.
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EmbarrassedScience372 days ago
+27
Besides doing most of what the Heritage Foundation wants, sure.
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ChunkyBubblz2 days ago
+22
They haven’t been conservatives since Trump’s first term. They’re full on white nationalists.
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Naive-Jello4282 days ago
+5
He was speaking about the possible government takeover of Spirit Airlines.
>“You look at the socialization of possibly Spirit Airlines and all these [companies] — Westinghouse, Intel, U.S. Steel. It’s just simply remarkable that this is coming from a so-called conservative administration,” Scarborough explained. “There is nothing conservative about this administration. There is nothing conservative about this Republican Party. Not if you believe in conservatism the way it’s been defined for well over 200 years.”
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fuck_ur_portmanteau2 days ago
+9
Of course not, they’re radicals, which is why Trump accuses his opposition of being radicals.
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Puzzled-Instance32112 days ago
+19
I don't see conservatives rebelling against Trump, so it is actually pretty conservative.
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iamstephen11282 days ago
+8
"Christian" nationalists and conservatives are going to be beating a dead horse to a fine mush in the coming years with their No True Scotsman arguments about Trump...
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YaqtanBadakshani2 days ago
+5
I mean, it's not entirely false.
Conservatism (small-c) means you want to maintain continuity with the political structures and systems already in place. It crosses over with right-wing politics, but it's not entirely synonymous. So, for example "we should make interracial marriage illegal," is a right-wing position, but not a conservative one.
So, yes, Trump is a right-wing radical. He has no interest in conserving any political structures and systems that are not currently benefitting him. In this sense, he is not a conservative.
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Bryophyta12 days ago
+8
If interracial marriage is already illegal, it is absolutely a conservative position to keep having it be illegal. The maintaining continuity and stability has a little kernel of truth, but mostly it is about maintaining the current power structure, as in protecting the ruling class and keeping them as the ruling class.
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dorianvovin1 day ago
+1
Conservatism meant to favor gradual reform, but is also about defending tradition, hierarchy, and the status quo (at any cost). The modern republican party is authoritarian attempting to implement radical change *in order to accomplish those goals* of defending tradition, hierarchy, and the status quo. It’s hard to say they’re fundamentally different when the goals are the exact same.
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YaqtanBadakshani1 day ago
+2
I don't think their goals are the same though.
The status quo, for example, is that everyone born on American soil is a citizen. Trump's trying to abolish that. The status quo was that presidents are not above the law. Trump and his cronies abolished that. The status quo was that presidents don't go to war without congressional approval. Trump did away with that. The status quo was that you concede an election you lost. Trump flouted that.
There are plenty of traditions, aspects of tradition, and even respect for hierarchies (like the rule of law) that MAGA is trying to do away with. So, no, their goals are not shared with actual political conservatives (although their supporters might describe themselves as such).
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dorianvovin22 hr ago
+1
By “their goals being the same,” I meant the consolidation of wealth; keeping white, straight, cisgender, men at the top of the hierarchy at the expense of all other demographics; and keeping non-Christians and the working classes in line. MAGA is definitely radically challenging the rule of law to benefit their own corrupt interests, but America has a long and sordid tradition of subjugating civil rights and workers’ rights movements. It seems predictable that as the pendulum swings toward public awareness and support of systemic injustice, those in power always get loud in response and begin pointing fingers at scapegoats. The last several Republicans have sent us to war, risen the country’s debt, and implemented regressive policies that steal from the poor and give to the rich and which threaten the rights and protections of minorities (which they call “limiting big government”). Trump’s pushing it further and faster than any of his predecessors, but Reagan and Bush paved the way for him.
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YaqtanBadakshani22 hr ago
+2
And he's experiencing a noticeable backlash from his base, because he is being nakedly radical in a way that Bush and Reagan were careful to hide to their bases behind a mask of conservative values.
This is the utility of distinguishing "right wing" and "conservative." Because while many right wing politicians pander to conservatives because they are more sympathetic to the power structures they're trying to consolidate, said conservatives also dislike radical change of the type that Trump is attempting, and so you get a meaningful difference in goals and desires that is worth discussing.
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Great_Revolution_2761 day ago
+3
Establishment GoP bent the knee and continue to do so. By their lack of standards they have proven that US conservatism is accepting of Trump. Don’t try to back away now cowards that you can see the terrible consequences of your greed and lack of morals manifest.
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LostSharpieCap2 days ago
+8
There's racism, sexism, classism, religious bigotry, and rules that protect some and bind others. Oh, and people in power playing victim. Sounds like the epitome of American conservatism to me.
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Ok_Surprise_40901 day ago
+3
Morning Joe still exists? Why?
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Skittleavix1 day ago
+3
You keep saying that word. I don’t think you know what that word means.
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pete_blake1 day ago
+3
I used to actually like Joe and Mika...not so much anymore. They need to go away.
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abgry_krakow871 day ago
+3
Yet it's everything religious conservatism has come to represent. That's what you supported, voted for, and got. Religious conservatives refuse to hold themselves accountable for their own actions.
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decoysnails1 day ago
+3
You sure about that??
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Zaius19681 day ago
+3
Other than the authoritarianism…
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RicockulousQuisling1 day ago
+3
Cowardice is also a central tenet of Conservatism, which is why they’re not owning this Administration.
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somethingclever30002 days ago
+5
It took ten years for them to figure that out? wtf.
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Affectionate_Neat8682 days ago
+3
This the same morning Joe that visited Trump at Mar a Lago two weeks after the election to bend the knee?
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CorrectPhilosophy2452 days ago
+2
I've heard some gaslighting before, but this takes the cake.
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MarkMaynardDotcom1 day ago
+2
This is where conservatism brought us
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Acuallyizadern931 day ago
+2
The idea that being a conservative, someone who just wants things to stay the same no matter how bad they are, should just be something we accept as a mainstream option is so ridiculous and a hinder on human progress. Nearly everything they hold dear is something that we’ve had to overcome to get where we are now. And we’re still fighting their bullshit.
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philocity1 day ago
+2
Being conservative really is a pretty logical ideological leap to make if you’re a person who bases their entire identity on things that come from a 2000 year old book.
These are people who believe there is some sort of inherent correctness in tradition, and a betrayal of tradition is a betrayal of your anscestors and God.
It’s kinda brain-dead, honestly.
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malisam1 day ago
+2
Morning Joe sold his soul when he went to Mara R*** Lo - I do jot respect him.
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SimthingEvilLurks1 day ago
+2
As someone that was once heavily entrenched in the Conservative world (Family went from Dem to Rep in the 90’s, so I saw a lot.), I’m not sure what Conservative is really supposed to be. You can’t go by the definition, because those calling themselves Conservative, are definitely not the definition.
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12PoundCankles1 day ago
+2
Nah, this is exactly what conservatism is. It's just not wearing a mask anymore.
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hertzdonought1 day ago
+2
Doesn’t matter. All the conservatives support and vote for this so it must be what conservatives want.
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FortunateInsanity1 day ago
+2
Bigotry is very much a conservative trait.
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DatabaseFickle93061 day ago
+2
Reagan is smiling. This was what he wanted all along.
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Tasty-Performer66691 day ago
+2
This is Conservatives’ monster. This is their doing
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Numpty20241 day ago
+2
Here in Canada Conservatives haven’t been real conservatives for decades. They are anti everything that keeps them out of power and leaning more and more MAGA leaning because it worked in America.
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Objective-Lab51792 days ago
+2
Name the last Republican President who was conservative? Not just social conservative.
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Bubbly_Style_84671 day ago
+1
Eisenhower probably.
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SimkinCA1 day ago
+4
Hey Morning Joe! There is nothing conservative about Conservatives. They have been running on a disproven platform for decades. It's a con/Grift. They have been okay with the systematic attacks on this country and it's people. Including our military!!
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RamBamBooey2 days ago
+2
Joe Scarborough loves Trump because only a President that sh*tty can make his opinions look good.
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CarolinaPanthers20152 days ago
+1
And they are just pretty got damn right BECAUSE it's for sure that they're all about low-key dictatorship and absolute total big time cruelty to ALL American people everywhere.
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AlphaSistersOfBattle1 day ago
+1
Is Morning Joe pro Trump?
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MelMoMor1 day ago
+1
Tucker C Joe R same people. It’s all a game of how they can survive and stay relevant.
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Potential_Kangaroo691 day ago
+1
it's not conservativism, it's a mental disorder
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Whiteshadow0211 day ago
+1
There’s something too conservative about their show 😅
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Upbeat-Serve-26961 day ago
+1
No. Way. Boy, that Joe's really on the cutting edge of insights.
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Leeman7271 day ago
+1
We've known this for 10 years... nothing new about this revelation.
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Wbino1 day ago
+1
Morning Joe was obviously banging his cohost but didn’t get thrown off the air like the other morning biracial couple….weird…
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Brolocene1 day ago
+1
Of course theyre conservatives. Coservativism is about conserving the wealth of the ruling class, and that is being done handily.
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Impressive-Potato1 day ago
+1
"No true Scotsman"
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LabOwn98001 day ago
+1
Duh but conservatives still voted for him making him the face of the conservative movement. So now they are all in bed together.
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JaimeLuisrg1 day ago
+1
I’m a conservative, and I don’t feel represented by the Republican Party at all, and actively enraged by the Trump administration.
I believe in keeping the Federal Government as small as possible (since they basically suck at everything) and for the branches of government to stay separate, while keeping checks and balances on each other. I strongly believe in a separation of church and state.
So a president trying to consolidate power within the executive branch, using the department of Homeland Security (which is terrible in itself) as his own domestic army to occupy American cities, the military as his own “royal” army, a secretary of defense that uses religious rhetoric to manipulate and control, a republican congress that kowtows to everything the executive says and won’t stop spending money, is so Anti-conservative is insane.
There truly is nothing conservative about this Administration or even the Republican Party at this point.
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Redox_10123 hr ago
+1
No limited government, no fiscal responsibility, violation of Christian values throughout checks and balances, etc.
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BassesNBikes19 hr ago
+1
No True Scotsman there Joe.
Soak in it.
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napalmnacey2 days ago
+1
You don’t get to “No True Scotsman” this, you centrist m***********.
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MyVeryRealName1 day ago
+1
Conservatism is the Communism of the right
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ICEisSHIT2 days ago
Morning Joe is maga lite moron.
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Bobambu2 days ago
Conservatism is a morally evil ideology, so nah, this is the epitome of conservatism.
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HumptyDumptruckFire2 days ago
If American conservatives rubber stamp far-right politicians in the voting booth, this is what American conservatism is.
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Remarkable-Pea48892 days ago
+1
Or maybe conservatives have betrayed their values? Vance was a Never Trumper. Now he's vice president.
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-The_Guy_2 days ago
You can always count on corporate democrats to defend conservatism. Without the mythical powers of conservatism arbitrarily stopping them, they might actually have to start passing meaningful legislation like universal healthcare.
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WokeUpUnfortunately1 day ago
So they're saying communism just hasn't been done right but it'll be done right next time? Sorry, conservatism?
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marion852 days ago
-1
The Trump administration is conservativism's FINAL FORM.
Its everything conservatism becomes when allowed to gain power for long enough, and neo-liberals like morning Joe are the people whose centrist polotocal and economic stances that lay the anti-progressive foundations that rocket people loke Trump into power again and again throughout history.
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anthrax99992 days ago
-1
This is the most conservative American regime of all time!
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Meep40002 days ago
-1
Yeah for this to matter someone would have to first give us the full definition of “conservative” and then give factual examples of it being a thing.
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ParadeSit2 days ago
+7
You forgot the /s
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ParadeSit2 days ago
+6
If you truly meant that and aren’t just f****** around, what in the world ever gave you the idea that Trump would focus on policy?
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thejimbo562 days ago
+6
Have you been living under a f****** rock for the last decade?
No one who had paid even the slightest bit of attention to literally anything Trump has said or done would have had that expectation.
Is this some sort of elaborate bit, or are you really this dense?
This legitimately might be the dumbest f****** thing I’ve seen all year, and I live in the middle of Dumbfuckistan.
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