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My opinion on why tv shows aren't the same anymore.

Posted by xxxdanixxx0


I think it's because writers don't have enough allocated episodes to fit all the stuff they want to include in each season. When you're watching TV, storylines will often feel so rushed cause there's no actual time for them to develop(doesn't apply to every show but quite a few)tv shows used to have over 20 episodes (around 25). Some shows were pushing or even surpassing 50.Nowadays tv shows are usually 8,10,13 you lucky to have 15-18. I have seen tv shows that had 6 episodes in a season... that is a limited series! Actually, I have seen limited series that have more episodes than that. Do you agree or disagree and why?

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Mysterious_Field1517 3 days ago +4
Disagree. Those 24 episode shows still exist. Almost all of them were and still are mostly episodic in nature and characters themselves rarely developed and remained unchanged since the pilot. This is a strange opinion that I keep reading more and more, but I never hear examples of those quality 24 episode shows.
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Several_Version4298 18 hr ago +1
If you have the writers you can make great TV seasons with 20 episodes. It allows you to develop characters, use familiarity, use repetition to make subtle changes. Look at Buffy S2 & 3, Angel, ER, House, The Twilight Zone, The Mary Tyle Moore Show, Taxi, Cheers/Fraiser, St Elsewhere St, Hills Street Blues, NYPD Blue, LA Law, Rockford Files, The Paper Chase, I'll Fly Away, Northern Exposure, Moonlighting, China Beach, 30 Something, The Practice, The X-files, The West Wing (see what lots of Cocaine can achieve), Boston Legal, The Good Wife S3-5, Friday Nights. The Simpsons and South Park didn't need character development, they are satirising a rapidly changing American culture. The problem is it now costs more to make an hour of TV than it used to cost to make and promote a feature film. The quality of the best is very high, but the mediocre costs the same and viewers are waiting years for new episodes, and can lose interest. So networks axe shows at the first drop in attention.
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Savings_Stock_4240 3 days ago +2
The Wire was 12 episode seasons Mad Men, The Sopranos, and Breaking Bad were 13 episode seasons Better Call Saul was 10
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Several_Version4298 17 hr ago +1
That was typical of premium cable and premium network shows. The UK used to make quality dramas and comedies at 6 episodes a year. Which is closer to what's happening with streaming, but it's taking longer than 12 months to make seasons. Networks used to make 20+ or even 40 episodes because they needed the advertising revenue to fund shows.
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plutonasa 3 days ago +3
I don't exactly remember where I read/heard this, but of course with how little episodes we get is because of monetization models. In ye olden times, a series has ad spots in each episode, so a popular series will have more eyeballs, and more eyeballs will watch more ads. The longer a season is, the better the returns on ads. Now with streaming, ads are (generally) a thing of the past. No ad spots to sell means no reason to lengthen a show's run. Streaming makes money by giving consumers more reason to subscribe. So King of the Hill and Malcom in the Middle reboots won't have long seasons, but the streaming service would get more subs/$ because both shows are popular and give reason for people to stay on. Going back to your point, a shorter run means less time for storylines to flesh out. Some shows do benefit from the truncated time, sure, but it will be a while to see this again.
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xxxdanixxx0 3 days ago +1
Some shows do benefit from episodes and it works from them but quite a few don't.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
> quite a few don't What are your top 5?
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Small-Trick-4372 3 days ago +3
They rely to heavily on Couples Fandom 👎🏽🤮 They go back in time too much.. Why not start from the beginning at the start.. I don't wanna see no dayum Flashbacks.. They whisper to 🤬 much.. What's wrong with talking at a Regular Volume..  They Rely to heavily on Cliffhangers  The Premise is stretched out past 3 Seasons and it's become boring Sometimes it'll take years for it to return and fans have forgotten about it and have no interest in watching it anymore 
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
> They go back in time too much.. Why not start from the beginning at the start.. Because people have too many options to switch to. They want to hook you. Most showrunners would LOVE to start with a slow burn, but everyone on listnook says it's boring, and everyone stops watching. It's just a streaming reality, sadly. I hate it too.
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xxxdanixxx0 3 days ago
You explained it perfectly.I agree especially cliffhangers an make you wait months to yrs for the next ep.
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BallClamps 3 days ago +4
There doesn't need to be a set number of episodes for every show. 20 episode seasons often had pointless filler episodes. I wouldn't mind the 8 episode seasons if we didn't have to wait 4 years between seasons. That is the real problem.
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xxxdanixxx0 3 days ago +2
Having to wait for them to is a good point too why am I waiting years for 8 eps.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +3
> why am I waiting years for 8 eps. There are *tons* of shows that are on every week, and that return every year at the same time of year. You aren't watching those. You prefer the ones that come back every 2-4 years. Which is fine, but there are still tons of shows that do what you want in terms of schedule. You are waiting because you expect more from your shows than the ones that return every year can deliver.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
> I wouldn't mind the 8 episode seasons if we didn't have to wait 4 years between seasons. That is the real problem. Why is it a problem? There's plenty of other stuff on. If we lose interest, we lose interest. But the reasons behind those two things are linked. Viewers want, basically, a movie trilogy for a season of television. They want it serialized not episodic. They want it to look and sound like a movie, with movie actors. Back in the 90s and earlier, there was a huge gap between TV and movies, everything was different: the writers, actors, producers, budgets, cameras, effects. Now it's all the same. Anyway, since audiences want basically movie trilogies (my way to describe it, others might have better ways) those take a LOT longer to write, to plan, to schedule, to cast, to edit, to do everything. They used to make 44 minute episodes in 2-3 primary locations over 7-9 days per. Now they take almost a year to shoot a season, and often shoot on 2-3 continents.
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Several_Version4298 17 hr ago +1
Breaking Bad had 13 episode cable seasons. It still had Fly as a bottle episode and it was brilliant.
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dogdayediting 3 days ago +1
Back in the day, you wanted to get your tv show into syndication. You’d make 65 episodes then you could sell it into reruns - 5 days a week for 13 weeks. Perfect fit for broadcast calendars. So 26 episode seasons were fairly standard. You could be in syndication in less than three years. Then streaming happened…
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dogdayediting 3 days ago +1
The difference today feels like instead of chasing syndication, it’s about being the next hit. Faster turns, less time to live with a show/characters, immediate win or lose. Much more factory than craft in a lot of cases.
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Several_Version4298 17 hr ago +1
You needed 100 eps for syndication in the golden age of Netork TV .Hence all the 22 episode seasons because guild contract covered development pilot and 5 seasons on fixed increasing pay scales. The number reduced later because few shows where making it anywhere close to 100 episodes.
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roastedmarshmellows 3 days ago +1
The answer is money, simple as that. Every company wants to maximize profits and minimize expenses. It is literally no deeper than that.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
I have the opposite experience. Many shows have too many episodes. They are required to fill 10-12 by contract, but the story gets stretched thin. So we end up with scenes of every minor character has a family, family drama, etc. Case in point: the detective in All Her Fault. He had an autistic son, and that was like it came from a different show or a Hallmark movie. It was padding. And Task was seven episodes IIRC, where that story could have easily been a big-ass movie over 3-4 episodes. Lots of padding on Task. Probably came from a novel (I didn't look) where sure, you go into all of that. But you don't *have* to for filmed entertainment. Often 95% of a novel's content is eliminated for filming (TV or movies). UK dramas do this really smartly, a lot of the time. But for US streamers, 3-4 episodes isn't worth the investment (I was in the industry, it's not very expensive to add an extra episode or two to the budget, relatively speaking, so why spend $30 million for 4 episodes when you can spend $38 million for 6?) But TV shows are the same. There are more than 500 each year in the US and Canada alone. If you can't find something you like in that sea of content, then I dunno. Writers (the head writer is typically the showrunner) are telling longer *single* stories now. That is more than enough time to develop characters. There are more serialized shows now. Episodic shows are very different. X-Files episodes were mostly episodic. When something is episodic, you can have 10 episodes or 50, no difference for the viewer, really. Think of it another way. Shows are now trilogies. Many shows are about 9-10 hours of content. Just like a trilogy. With one main storyline. That's sometimes too much for one storyline, but adding more can be a problem if they don't stack up to the main one. Anyway, you asked!
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xxxdanixxx0 3 days ago +1
It definitely can go both ways there are shows that are too long and shows that are not long enough. For example, pretty Little liars did not need s7 on the other hand the new seasons of Greys anatomy there's not enough episodes.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
> the new seasons of Greys anatomy there's not enough episodes That's not a creative decision. They make as many as the budget allows, and as shows age the cast wants more and more money, and the cast has less and less time available to film. Plus it's on broadcast so they need to sell spots to advertisers. If there aren't enough spots sold, then... Back in the day, actors were locked into long contracts with their corporate overlords. They have broken free of that to some degree. But the shows you want still exit, there are lots with 18-22 episodes, do you not watch those?
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cw120 3 days ago +1
In the 70's, an 60 min show, on a commercial channel were allowed 7 mins of advertising time. Then they moved to self regulation, and today they are barely touching 40min of show time. So, ram through a storyline in 40 mins max with Commericals for 20 mins all while I'm sitting there the a remote in my hands.
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2oonhed 3 days ago +1
They arent the same bacause that's how it be.
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meho7 2 days ago +1
>I think it's because writers don't have enough allocated episodes to fit all the stuff they want to include in each season. They did a filler episode in Strangers Things season 2. They just don't know how to write stories properly - if they're even writing them themselves?
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RudePragmatist 2 days ago +1
I don't care as long as the industry keeps making shit I want to watch that's all that matters. If I finish one show there will always be another.
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FracturedMoonlights 3 days ago -4
Tv shows aren’t the same anymore cause of political correctness. Too many snowflakes.
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longjumpingtote 3 days ago +1
Lol, Euphoria, The Boys/Gen-V, Industry, The Beauty, A Thousand Blows, AHS, 9-1-1, etc.
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