Tariff your allies. Check. Insult and in some cases threaten your allies. Check. Allies diversify their trading and refuse to cooperate militarily. Check. Ironically the only one who seems surprised by this is the perpetrator. Fafo. You can't fix stupid my friends.
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Tsuraru5 days ago
+92
You forgot threatening to annex your allies
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Concentrateman5 days ago
+52
As a Canadian I take that to be a threat.
52
Tsuraru5 days ago
+43
The Greenlanders, the Danes and the Canucks are united
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Ugliest_weenie5 days ago
+23
All these moves make sense when you account for Trump being a Russian asset
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Concentrateman5 days ago
+6
No doubt.
6
pjw7246 days ago
+725
*"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade," Trump said in a post on Truth Social on Sunday.*
*But NATO allies, including Britain and France, said they would not be drawn into the conflict by taking part in the blockade, saying instead they were working on an initiative to open the strait...*
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pjw7246 days ago
+487
*"We're not supporting the blockade," British Prime Minister Keir Starmer told the BBC.*
*"My decision has been very clearly that whatever the pressure, and there's been some considerable pressure, we're not getting dragged into the war," he said.*
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_aviemore_6 days ago
+149
Tsk tsk Sir Starmer, don't you call it a war now. Joke aside, call it for what it actually is: a fuckery! We Are Not Getting Into This Fuckery.
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blanchov5 days ago
+74
Ha. Trump has also called it a war many times, he can't keep his lies straight
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slugmorgue5 days ago
+20
Yes but Obama and Biden started it. They started the war by not starting it! I can imagine Trump saying something along these lines if he hasn't already.
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blanchov5 days ago
+14
It was that first deal that Barack HUSSEIN Obama made that started the war. Damn commie. He made Trump start a ~~war~~ special operation. Did you know his birth certificate was fake? He's from Kenya!
/s
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Metalloid_Maniac_5 days ago
+4
Honestly way too coherent to be trump.
4
czs50565 days ago
+6
He did already.
Trump Blames Obama & Biden Again For Having To Bomb Iran Over Nuclear Program https://share.google/GJ0EfJWkbnuJ6f3Qj
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not4eating5 days ago
+3
Thanks Clinton.
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Reilly6165 days ago
+36
FYI, the "Sir" title is used with given names not surnames, i.e. "Sir Keir".
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_aviemore_5 days ago
+16
I did not know that, ty
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Reilly6165 days ago
+7
No problem. It's pretty unintuitive!
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+7
I've never thought about that before; but intuitively, that sounds correct.
Sir Kier or Mr Starmer just feels so... unequal. I propose that from now on we only use his formal title: Sir Kier _of_ Starmer.
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Reilly6165 days ago
+6
Ha, I just responded to the other reply by saying I thought it was pretty *un*intuitive. But by that I just mean using a given name as part of a formal title feels unintuitive to me.
Obviously you're just joking around, but the "of placename" convention only kicks in with Lords. For example, former PM Cameron is now "Lord Cameron" but more specifically "Baron Cameron of Chipping Norton".
Basically, nobles get titles attached to placenames, whereas knights do not, because nobles were historically in charge of areas whereas knights were not. (Obviously someone could be both a knight and a noble, but becoming a knight does not make someone a noble. Case in point, Sir Keir who, as a current MP, is clearly a commoner).
Anyway, it's all fairytale nonsense nowadays, I just find the intricacies interesting.
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+4
Yes i was just joking, but thats very interesting stuff none the less - i'm always keen to learn random facts! This particular subject area had never crossed my radar before, but you've piqued my interest now.
Thanks, but also anti-thanks, because im now about to get lost down the wikipedia wormhole and i don't really have time for that.
'Passive-aggresive' thanks, i guess. Whatever.
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Reilly6165 days ago
+3
I know that exact feeling! You're welcome and I'm sorry!
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Araminal5 days ago
+3
That would have been excellent if his official response had been "We are not getting dragged into this fuckery".
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GenghisConnieChung5 days ago
+2
Our flag means incompetence.
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Robj25 days ago
+2
Now, don't be a lefty. It's an escapade. Or shenanigans, at the very mostestly.
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Retr0gasm5 days ago
+15
Can we finally get rid of Rutte now? I know that suggestion usually brings out a load of dutch that insist that crawling into the White House on your hands and knees while wearing your specially fitted collar is somehow Trump whispering, but he's an embarrassment.
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LeafsWinBeforeIDie5 days ago
+14
Carney showed the way. His methods should be a blueprint for dealing with the yanks for the foreseeable future.
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Caucasian_Fury5 days ago
+40
>But NATO allies, including Britain and France, said they would not be drawn into the conflict by taking part in the blockade, saying instead they were working on an initiative to open the strait...
Folks, Trump obviously meant the Ugandan navy when he said allies will be joining the blockade.
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BeRealzzz5 days ago
+18
Ahh yes. The powerful landlocked Ugandan Navy!
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Smallpaul5 days ago
+14
They are sending every ship they have!
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Wonderful-Air70485 days ago
+5
Beware of armored hippopotamus bites...
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ztwizzle5 days ago
+44
Iran is also involved in blockading the Strait of Hormuz so he's correct in a sense
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ffdfawtreteraffds5 days ago
+9
Is it still sarcasm if it's true?
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DarkFireFenrir5 days ago
+21
>*"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade,"
Are those supposed other countries present in this room?
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hfpfhhfp5 days ago
+8
Nah, you don't know them, they go to a different school.
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JohnGabin5 days ago
+2
I hope he didn’t count on Hungary
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PloppyTheSpaceship5 days ago
+6
The other countries being Israel, and Iran (who is involved because it's who the blockade is against).
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Masrim6 days ago
+2
The other countries involved will be with the ships trying to get through.
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Virtual-History-60995 days ago
+1
But what is the initiative? Genuinely curious.
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danceswithtree6 days ago
+301
Trump: Help us open the strait. Nix that, on second thought, help us blockade it.
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jorgebrks6 days ago
+172
Trump: We don't need NATO, they are weak. Also please send ships.
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Chiepmate6 days ago
+32
Water boats!
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PloppyTheSpaceship5 days ago
+10
That carry aircraft! I call them "plane bringers".
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TamarasDirtyCooch5 days ago
+3
We have(had) a fleet of submarines at the biggest mall in Canada, it's yuuuge. Biggest the world's ever known until My Mall, the Mall of America, got built. Fantastic Mall. It's biggily.
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royxsong6 days ago
+25
Also Trump: go get your own oil
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+11
Yeah, go get it for yourselves, no, wait HELP US TO DENY IT FROM _EVERYBODY_
F****** 25th already, people, chop chop! You've had enough evidence that he's a lunatic since before you reelected him, and he gives us all a new reason every day.
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Tribalbob6 days ago
+4
Maybe he figured since they didn't want to help one way, they'd obviously help the ohter?
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Hikarilo6 days ago
+40
Trump's dream is to have NATO members come and enforce the blockade, so that the US can get out of the mess it created on its own.
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blackstafflo5 days ago
+26
He so much wants to drag another nation's fleet there, so he could blame any failure on them and performativelly rage quit the region on the pretense of supposedly incompetent allies armies.
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flaviusUrsus5 days ago
+4
And sell the weapons to the other NATO members that came to clean up their shit.
Double whammy
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Romano166 days ago
+206
He said he didn’t need NATO. So NATO will not come.
But also, NATO was not created for this.
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+60
Article 5 has been envoked only once in the past - by the USA - And the alliance answered the call.
And then Trump said they didn't.
F****** c***.
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Northern_Ice_25015 days ago
+12
If I could upvote 100 I would. Just for the "f****** c***". Nailed it.
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+3
Gave you an upvote to say thanks for appreciating/highlighting my eloquence on the matter.
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lylelanley-6 days ago
+72
I feel like he’s trying to create a reason to leave NATO.
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Romano166 days ago
+77
Of course. He is a Russian asset and insider threat. I’m sure he genuinely doesn’t understand NATO and is also taking advice from Putin on how to undermine it.
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lylelanley-5 days ago
+9
Wouldn’t be surprised also if it was all just the latter and he’s a f****** idiot who actually loves big tough strong men and wants to be just like them.
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+5
I wouldnt be surprised if he is completely compromised by russia (that part is a given); but due to being a "_low IQ individual_" and a narcissist of the worst kind, he has somehow convinced himself that Putin actually respects him, and has his best interests at heart.
Don't forget that Putin actually _is_ a hard man. Ex-KGB. Trump, very much, is not a hard man. He _knows_ how to play trump like a fiddle, and trump is far too dumb and arrogant to ever realise he's being played!
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subnautus5 days ago
+4
> Don't forget that Putin actually is a hard man. Ex-KGB.
Faceless bureaucrat with the right business contacts to sell soviet infrastructure to the highest bidders when the USSR collapsed, you mean.
Don't act like Putin was a hardened spy, is what I'm getting at. He was a middling pencil pusher who sold his government to mobsters. The only thing that makes him dangerous is now he's wealthy enough to pull favors with people whose morality and loyalty hinges on how much they'll be paid.
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Romano165 days ago
+10
I would really love to believe it was just that but Trump believes the WORD of Putin & Xi over his own intelligence services which in turn undermines an appropriate response by the government as a whole.
Examples would include the election interference concerns of 2020/2024 and Covid response.
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revchj5 days ago
+11
NATO is in the process of leaving the USA.
Not officially - we're now in a time where NATO both exists and doesn't, both includes the USA and doesn't. But over time the alliances with member states other than the USA will strengthen and the USA will be sidelined, until a successor organization, sans US, emerges out of the wreckage that was once NATO. This will basically formalize what is already happening where states are pursuing their interests in a complex web of competition in some respects and cooperation in others.
I'm struggling to find a historical comparison for what will emerge. The Ancien Regime, perhaps?
[Edit: typos]
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+7
I think its quite clear that NATO understands it can't trust the USA, and is definitely not entirely resisting the void which TRUMP has created.
The result we're seeing now is that NATO is a de-clawed kitten when the primary power within it alienates themselves and turns their back.
I think Europe has heard the wake up call, however - all be it a bit late. The big lesson for any country in an alliance - especially a 'small/weak' country is that while you have a blanket of protection, don't get complacent on maintaining your own military force.
Im sure this lesson will be soon forgotten.
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Vimmelklantig5 days ago
+3
>The result we're seeing now is that NATO is a de-clawed kitten when the primary power within it alienates themselves and turns their back.
NATO without the US only has one existential threat and that's the US. Russia is outclassed in every respect apart from their sheer quantity of nukes and there's no conflict with China that risks turning into a shooting war.
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crackup5 days ago
+5
He'll probably try take the 750 Million spent on NATO specific costs and give it to himself though his little Board of Peace club.
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flonnil5 days ago
+2
don't get hit by the door on your way out
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subnautus5 days ago
+5
The order is backward: NATO is a *defensive* alliance treaty, so even if they wanted to, NATO's charter couldn't be invoked to drag anyone into this war.
Trump's misunderstanding of "if one of us gets attacked, we all pile in" notwithstanding, yes: telling the rest of NATO he didn't need their help after they refused to get dragged into another pointless war in the Middle East is *hardly* going to make anyone want to jump in now.
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Blackwolf2456 days ago
+68
NATO is a defensive alliance. It's purpose is that members protect each other, not taking part in e everyone's war. It's crazy that Trump doesn't understands this.
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BreakImaginary16615 days ago
+19
Even crazier how so many of his voters don’t understand this very basic principle.
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ChronoLink995 days ago
+13
Not crazy at all. Most of his poor voters don't have beyond high school education.
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climate-tenerife5 days ago
+10
Doesnt matter what he understands, it only matters what he says. His words get more airtime than the truth. He doesn't understand much, but the one thing he does understand: handling the press.
That might sound like a foolish/naive/sycophantic comment at first: he is awful with the press! But he understands the news cycle and the longevity of the public's memory.
He heard "history is written by the w*****", and put it to the test.
_I'll write my own history where I am the w***** *every day*, and eventually the dumb public will just believe it._
And it f****** worked.
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Poopster465 days ago
+4
> It's crazy that Trump doesn't understands this.
People need to stop thinking Trump cares about how things work. He only cares about how he wants things to be, and will subsequently try whatever is within his power to make it that way.
And for some reason, in the broken US system a surprisingly large array of things is possible when you are completely unbothered by ethics or morals. It's weird how badly Americans have allowed their laws and institutions to be eroded.
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OldLondon6 days ago
+22
I’ll say it again - why would we blockade our “own” ships (as in ships destined for Europe) fuckwit.
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90gradi5 days ago
+3
Probably he's trying to manipulate the reality with the power he still have.
Like "from now on we will take a piece of the cake".
Media already talk, day by day, of prices and ships, it's clear where he is aiming.
Probably that's also why Rutte previously said that Europe failed Trump's test.
If this is encrypted talking, to me it seems Rutte clearly say that Europe will soon be between two ~~ferns~~ fires.
Remember, history rarely was restored to a previous situation, all go in one direction.
Think of how many CEO's are willing to take Trump's place.
Many are social network platforms owners, think of how easy will be to distort, once again, the order of things.
I could also be wrong about all of this :)
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DoctrTurkey6 days ago
+98
these headlines are bullshit. in no way is this ball in nato's court. headline SHOULD read something like, "US increasingly desperate to have someone else clean up their mess"
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tonycomputerguy5 days ago
+5
Corpo-Journalism
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iRegretsEverything6 days ago
+17
Why would they support this blockade. Other countries depend on this oil route. You just cut off a bunch of countries energy supplies, we are making a bunch of enemies.
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90gradi5 days ago
+4
Because he is a bully, that's where all started. Not a medic but I bet he was abused on some levels when he was young.
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Huge_Consideration575 days ago
+17
Daily reminder: Congress could stop this immediately but Republicans refuse.
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ZombiFeynman6 days ago
+61
This is going to end with the US blockading the US
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+20
That is de-facto with the various trade tariffs the US has implemented against US imports.
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AntiTrollSquad6 days ago
+15
That already started to happen back in Jan 2025.
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Standard-Contest-9495 days ago
+14
Basically “Yeah that’s all on you Donnie!” So please stop saying World War 3. No this is an American War that they started and up to them to resolve and finish it.
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Background-Factor8176 days ago
+10
Incoming “We DONTNEEDNATOANYWAY” unhinged rant from the orange toddler.
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Tasty_Principle_5185 days ago
+12
Demand the straight be opened. When the straight opens blockade it
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elhumanoid6 days ago
+82
Finnish here. I'd f****** hope so. I always feared the US would pull us into their bullshit wars if we ever joined NATO.
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jmacintosh2506 days ago
+55
The great thing about NATO is it deliberately has clauses for this because everyone was worried about this scenario.
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VanceKelley5 days ago
+16
Yep. For example when Argentina declared war on the UK and invaded the Falklands the UK was not allowed to invoke NATO Article 5 because attacks on British overseas territories were specifically precluded.
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RogueIslesRefugee6 days ago
+28
> I always feared the US would pull us into their bullshit wars if we ever joined NATO.
Joining NATO shouldn't even be relevant to that line of thought, as it is a *defensive* alliance. I know Trump doesn't seem to understand that, but most people with more than two brain cells to rub together should have no issue grasping the fact that just because the US, a NATO member, starts a fight, it's not the rest of NATO's responsibility to back them up, since *they started the fight*. Kind of flies in the face of it being defensive, no?
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+8
Also it's the North Atlantic Treaty Org, and the Straits of Hormuz are simply beyond the North Atlantic.
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RogueIslesRefugee5 days ago
+3
True, although if things were different, and NATO was legitimately joining a defensive operation, it isn't limited to acting only in the North Atlantic region if it's called for. Take Afghanistan for instance. Nominally well beyond NATO's usual scope, after the US invoked Article 5, it meant the alliance would be free to deploy so far away from it's usual reach.
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Jealous_Response_4925 days ago
+3
That was an attack upon a NATO member territory though, no way to spin a NATO member attacking Iran as within its scope. Not even in defence of US bases in the region.
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DanielBox45 days ago
+4
Why did nato forces bomb libya, a country in Africa? Nowhere near the Atlantic, the north or involving any nato members.
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macross19845 days ago
+7
Trump want NATO to become less dependent on US. Trump forget, NATO do want to wean itself away from US and Trump is suddenly angry. :P
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UUMD6 days ago
+17
NATO is doing their duty to support the US by opposing Trump.
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boondiggle_III5 days ago
+5
They wanted to be allies, but instead they got all lies.
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nic-cin5 days ago
+6
I imagine our NATO Navy watching and laughing at the American pirates.
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Falconflyer755 days ago
+4
NATO was tested and they…. Passed with flying colours
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tresslessone5 days ago
+5
Thanks to Ukrainian tech and clever co-funded / hosted production models, Europe has made some really rapid strides in terms of weaning itself from the US militarily.
So yeah, go f-ck yourself you orange dipshit. Pack up your bases, stop using our airspace and GTFO.
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bijelo1236 days ago
+21
Good. No country should get involved in Epstein war
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Livingsimply_Rob6 days ago
+12
Good, for those NATO members. Speaking as an American.
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SAMSystem_NAFO6 days ago
+6
NAFO also refuses to take part in this bullshit. Thanks for raising your voice. Glad there are a lot of Americans who don't support the orange turd and hus shenanigans.
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Winter_Criticism_2366 days ago
+3
Sooner or later ( after a usa military ship sinks?) USA is going to ask Ukraine to help take out Iranian drones...
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BeeKayDubya6 days ago
+4
The Fanta Menace is still desperately looking for an off ramp and no one is coming to his aid. Figure this one out on your own, golden spoon boy. Daddy ain't around anymore to bail you out.
4
New-Equal80395 days ago
+3
Why would they risk their Service members over this BS? What a joke.
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MrTriangular5 days ago
+5
Word is that Trump FINALLY remembered, or was told, that he needs to go to the UN for this.
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backup10005 days ago
+3
Trump needs to hear “no” more often.
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Mike-SBA5 days ago
+4
NATO is pact of countries pledging to come the defense of member nations. In Iran, America isn’t in need of defense. Trump is the aggressor ! NATO came to aid of America in 2009 because we had been attacked and asked for help to defend America in its conflict with Bin Ladin !
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ClockworkDreamz5 days ago
+3
We’re in the phantom menace
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Super_Baime5 days ago
+3
Who knew there might be benefits if NATO nations stuck together.
Who would benefit from the collapse of NATO, and who is making it happen?
Possibly the Orange traitor and his boss Putin?
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Skysis5 days ago
+3
I mean he practically has "lame duck" tattooed on his forehead.
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jmurgen41435 days ago
+3
Tell people they aren’t needed enough times and eventually they believe you🤣
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BrofessorFarnsworth5 days ago
+4
Make sense considering that this blockade is among the dumbest f****** moves in the history of military conflict
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canada_mountains6 days ago
+25
Wish we could kick the US out of NATO. Especially when they threatened to invade Greenland, a NATO territory through Denmark. Also, the US threats to annex Canada isn't helping either.
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Rough_Championship_36 days ago
+8
Trump would just claim he quit instead getting kicked out lol
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Quattuor6 days ago
+10
He would quickly change his tune if EU countries kicked US bases out. He would threaten those countries with 200% tarrifs of course, but at least Iran has demonstrated how to stand up to bullies.
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Dracogame6 days ago
+3
I’d hope not to suffer what Iranians are suffering to stand up to the US.
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closing-the-thread6 days ago
+7
Why can’t they? It would be interesting to see Europe finally say “Get the f*** out, US!”
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robulusprime6 days ago
+13
It's less trouble to keep the US than to force them out. Especially since the alliance is making it abundantly clear that it is *defensive* in nature.
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coulls5 days ago
+2
And as the only country to have triggered Article 5, has the chutzpah to claim NATO wasn’t there for them. And says that NATO countries need to spend more, whilst benefiting from bases in NATO countries for which it doesn’t pay rent for. Still, Trump has said multiple times that the USA has won this, and I also have it on good authority from some American right-winger that I should take a long walk off a short pier because the US can just “take whatever it wants”, so this should be a non-issue as the US has this under control.🤣😂
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One-Dare30225 days ago
+3
Yea, Trump has threatened to invade two NATO-countries and one of them did more for us in Europe in both WW1 and WW2 from the start of both of them. Something that they seldom get the proper recognition for due to their southern neighbor.
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Infodataplace6 days ago
+7
Dang, I can’t believe countries aren’t lining up to jump into the car we’re driving off a cliff. I’m shocked, truly shocked!
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Wyciorek6 days ago
+8
Join the blockade or remove the blockade? What is the goal here again?
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ShadowKraftwerk6 days ago
+7
Mathematically they cancel out. So the correct answer is zero. Do nothing.
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fy1sh5 days ago
+5
Why would NATO support a rogue, unpopular president who lies, cheats, steals, and rapes children? History will erase this idiot as a stain on America.
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LePetitConcombre6 days ago
+2
So Trump needs help clearing the mines, Iran says they cannot locate them and now European leaders are refusing to help. Will the Straits stay shut forever now?
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Araminal5 days ago
+3
Hovercraft. The future is hovercraft. Or stilts.
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LePetitConcombre5 days ago
+3
My teenage years juggling on stilts are about to make a comeback
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vu2tve5 days ago
+2
"Open the f\*\*\*ing strait you crazy bas\*\*\*\*\*!"
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Sir_BugsAlot5 days ago
+2
Well, he said he didn't need any help so not sure what he is angry about. The us changed their ministry to "the Ministry of war". The EU didn't do that. They are still about defence.
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Zarxon5 days ago
+2
I think the only one in power who don’t understand what NATO is for is Trump. This is not a NATO issue at this time, probably won’t be either.
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coricron6 days ago
+6
Good luck with that, Yanks. Hope you have a real good time.
How long until a spec ops team get roasted when Iran blows a bait tanker during boarding, or for a tanker to be aimed at a carrier loaded with fuel and force them to sink it?
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TreatAffectionate4536 days ago
+8
>How long until a specs ops team get roasted when Iran blows a bait tanker during boarding, or for a tanker to be aimed at a carrier loaded with fuel and force them to sink it?
Why would Iran bother doing either? Just let a chinese vessel run the blockade.
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HornetNo21766 days ago
+3
Ask me Tuesday
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MonkeLord12346 days ago
+2
To the surprise of no-one... except Trump.
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copperblood6 days ago
+2
You love to see it!
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nDREqc6 days ago
+1
How does the blockade work in the ceasefire? Won't Iran shoot at US vessels approaching the strait?
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CleverDad5 days ago
+1
Well, duh
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wouter1355 days ago
+1
Teflon Mark to the Rescue
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NotSupposeToSpeak5 days ago
+1
Don’t blame them!
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Revolutionary_Bed4305 days ago
+1
We live in a weird timeline
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ffdfawtreteraffds5 days ago
+1
Trump is such a delusional liar. Dude is clearly brain damaged.
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AHardCockToSuck5 days ago
+1
Maybe if you didn’t insult them and try to destroy their counties they would have considered it
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Johnny_english535 days ago
+1
He knows perfectly well that NATO won't join the blockade.
He is just seeking an excuse to leave NATO.
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aardwolffe5 days ago
+1
Imagine if they agreed to his demand last week to open the Straits
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Lukeuntld072_5 days ago
+1
wtf is the netherlands doing. Im ashamed of my country. i knew we were asskissing usa but they seem a fist and a arm deep in their ass
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